So can Wolverine die or not?

[Angel of Death]

I've read on here numerous times about how Wolverine can't die.

But didn't he die (off page granted) in Enemy of The State? He'd have to die to get resurected, and I think maybe Fury mentions that.

Any ideas guys?

Or is this like like arguing over which is better ford/chevy, 9mm/45acp so on and so forth?

[Romus]

He can die in many ways.

Iceman could fill his lungs with ice

He can drown

His flesh could be burned from his bones.

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[fireball87o]

He can die in many ways.

Iceman could fill his lungs with ice

He can drown

His flesh could be burned from his bones.

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With all the crap Wolverine has been through & survived...how is it that a Sentinel could wipe him out with one blast in DOFP?

[im399unot]

He can die in many ways.

His flesh could be burned from his bones.


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I Know that this has happened to him before but he did not die. I think it might have been in the Havok/Wolverine mini.

[Angel of Death]

I Know that this has happened to him before but he did not die. I think it might have been in the Havok/Wolverine mini.

Johnny Storm held his wrists and burned his flesh to the bone I believe. It wa so hot he couldn't pop his claws and when he did they were glowing orange. Ouch!

[Valmore]

I'm fairly certain if you decapitated Wolverine, he'd die. I don't think his healing factor could withstand the loss of his brain to his body.

[shadowraven]

Maybe Wolverine's like Snow White in Fables. The higher his popularity soars, the closer to immortality he gets :)


In E for Extinction Casandra Nova disintigrates all but the adamantium skeleton of one of his arms and he grows it back in like three panels. I can't think of any more extreme feat of his healing factor at the moment.

I think at this point, Wolverine needs to more or less be atomized to die. Could he survive decapitation if someone picked up his head and placed it back on his shoulders? The ultimate version can aparantly live through being ripped in half and thrown a couple miles.

They should do a story where someone's just carrying around Logan's severed head for a half an issue as he spouts one-liners ;) Kind of like what Cassidy did in the New Orlean's arc of Preacher.

Seriously though, it's only a matter of time before Wolverine lives through a decapitation. He's already had his heart ripped out/exploded inside his chest.

[fireball87o]

Johnny Storm held his wrists and burned his flesh to the bone I believe. It wa so hot he couldn't pop his claws and when he did they were glowing orange. Ouch!
This happened in the Havok/Wolverine mini? damn!

[shadowraven]

This happened in the Havok/Wolverine mini? damn!

No, that was Enemy of the State. Unless it happened twice.... But I remember it in EotS as well.

[Angel of Death]

This happened in the Havok/Wolverine mini? damn!

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to infer that! Enemy of The State arc actually.

[fireball87o]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to infer that! Enemy of The State arc actually.
sounds badass. I have the first issue from that arc by my the store was always sold out of the others

[Angel of Death]

sounds badass. I have the first issue from that arc by my the store was always sold out of the others

I picked up Enemy of the state through House of M, like 15 issues all unread NM on eBay for $11.47.

Ebay is a buyer's market for comics, I love it!

[PerfectBrak]

He can die if his healing factor is inhibited or removed, like in Here Comes Tomorrow.

[The Foreigner]

I'm fairly certain if you decapitated Wolverine, he'd die. I don't think his healing factor could withstand the loss of his brain to his body.

This sounds like a pretty sure fire way. Completely burning away all of Wolverine's flesh and organs so there's no tissue left to heal would probably do it as well.

[Angel of Death]

Off subject, but I didn't want to start another Wolvie thread:

How come his teeth aren't covered in Adamantium? Aren't teeth bone?

[twilight]

Yes Wolverine can die.

Just because he can heal doesn't mean he can't die.

[Mobey Wee]

How would he survive in space? I'm sure a telepath with enough ability (where one exists or not) would be able to shut his brain down, despite his will, submerge him in lava and he surely won't have time to heal there. He couldn't regenerate body parts, when he had his bone skeleton, if he had somehow lost his arm, it wouldn't grow back, that's regeneration, like deadpool, like a lizard's tail.
The damage done would have to be incredible (probably not a Sentintel blast) and entirely relentless, but he can definatley die.

[Mobey Wee]

while i was typing, i read he did regenerate his arm, but isn't that a little extreme? I was pretty sure it had been specified he couldn't go that far. Look at age of apocalypse (sure, the adamantium shoulnd't have been destroyed, but coulda had bone at the time), but the point is, every writer has a different perspective. and some, i don't believe have stayed very true to real nature of the character or his powers.. that said. i wouldn't be surprised to see a writer regenerate his entire body from a still intact pinky toe, but i wouldn't quite agree with it.

[Vegemite Sandwich]

Seriously though, it's only a matter of time before Wolverine lives through a decapitation. He's already had his heart ripped out/exploded inside his chest.

He already has survived a decapitation, I'll quote the issue for you

Wolverine series 3 number 32 Page 13 in my edition

'Week after week, we'd have firing squads, stabbings, beatings and beheadings until I was absolutely sure he wasn't breathing anymore.'

[Kirayoshi]

I had a thought. Could a highly concentrated anti-coagulant affect his ability to heal from serious injuries? Or is his power more of a cellular regeneration thing?

[Meta 05]

Wolverine has basically become unkillable because "wolverine fanboys" want him that way.Its the same reason people will buy issues of spiderman when the only guest appearence of wolverine it it is just him on the couch of the avengers mansion just to drink a beer.His hype as the bad ass most fronted char of the Marvel U is faulted to his fanboy following.He was alot more interesting when he couldn't regenerate at such an extreme rate. I avoid wolverine for the same reason i avoid Superman powerful unkillable chars don't make a good story, they just serve as angst for comic fanboys to live vicariously thru .

He can regenerate him self from a single cell now or so i have heard.
I just want Sentry to bat him into orbit, he can die if he can't breath.

[bagheera]

Wolverine's "healing factor" has been all over the map throughout his written history. I prefer it when he could sustain great injury and took days or weeks to recover whereas a regular human would have been killed or taken months/years to recover. The regeneration of burnt-off flesh in three panels is a bit over-the-top for my taste.

Yes, he can be killed. I see no reason a Sentinel could not kill him in DoFP. I assume Sentinels of the future have more advanced powers. Tossing him into the sun would surely incinerate him beyond repair. Decapitating is a bit difficult but not undoable. Xavier has indeed shut down his mind before, mid-leap when Logan and Scott fought in Ultimate X-men. Drowning would work. So, Wolverine's continued life depends on equal parts luck, sheer refusal to die and the fans' decades-old love for him.

Still, I'd like to see more recognition of his suffering when injured and how it takes actual time to recover.

[Agentum]

And if he could regenerate bones in the body, those bones would not be covered with adamantium i guess.

And he can't die as long as he sells comics.
Outside that he is no more unbelievable than many other superheroes that seems to be immortal but have no regenartion or adamantium covered bones :D

[MakeshiftHero]

Off subject, but I didn't want to start another Wolvie thread:

How come his teeth aren't covered in Adamantium? Aren't teeth bone?
Yeah his teeth and his fingernails. Thats what i've always wondered.

[The Fury]

Yeah his teeth and his fingernails. Thats what i've always wondered.
Teeth yeah, but not fngernails, they are made of hair.

He's already had his heart ripped out/exploded inside his chest.
That is one of the more rediculous moments of his healing. He could survive the whole arm being burnt off by Cassie Nova, but in that case there was tissue left to grow, it just happened stupidly fast.

Wolverine's healing has got stupid in many years. What writers seem to forget si that while he has a healing power, it is not Regeneration and has to work on the same basic principles that humans have.

For example, no head = dead, no oxygen = dead, no heart = dead, if he were to lose a bone (if it is cut off or pulled from the socket) the body would heal round the wound and not grow a new bone. The human body heals damaged parts and does not usually create a new part.

Sufficiant damage to Wolverine's heart (Yes, secret war was stupid) or brain should kill him. Removal of is brain or heart should also kill him, more so then the first.

The human body needs oxygen to heal, if the lungs are damaged enough then he coudl also die, he can die from suffication or drowning.

As suggested before, he can die from his entire body tissue being burnt.

What is odd is that Wolverine has a very obvious problem with the whole healing. His adamatium skeleton covers his bones, this means that his production of blood is also halted. Wolverine only has a certain amount of blood in his body, if he were to loose enough or even little by little lose some of it, then he is likely to die becuase of this, of course this is not writen into the story as you can't have Wolverine die from lack of blood.

[Porcelain]

Wolverine's "healing factor" has been all over the map throughout his written history. I prefer it when he could sustain great injury and took days or weeks to recover whereas a regular human would have been killed or taken months/years to recover. The regeneration of burnt-off flesh in three panels is a bit over-the-top for my taste.

Yes, he can be killed. I see no reason a Sentinel could not kill him in DoFP. I assume Sentinels of the future have more advanced powers. Tossing him into the sun would surely incinerate him beyond repair. Decapitating is a bit difficult but not undoable. Xavier has indeed shut down his mind before, mid-leap when Logan and Scott fought in Ultimate X-men. Drowning would work. So, Wolverine's continued life depends on equal parts luck, sheer refusal to die and the fans' decades-old love for him.

Still, I'd like to see more recognition of his suffering when injured and how it takes actual time to recover.
HUGE ditto.

To me, one of the most intrinsic parts of Wolverine should (again) be his ability to suffer beyond that of a normal person - because they'd just die. Non of this silly oops lost a leg give me a few minutes, it's as bad as charmed and instant healing - you loose all concern for the character and any action scenes become meaningless because you no longer care. Morrison did ok with it in some parts (returning with Dust), but it's been a long time since he was handled well in that respect - probably half the reason why to so many he's become such a joke now.

It's part and parcel of the [failed] samurai warrior, the journey of suffereing. He was great because he was so human. Now it's a case of "Bezerka (can't even spell it, such a stupid word) rage, BEZERKA RAGE I FEEL NOTHING!!!! I will throw myself into this fight by the power of my rage and loosing a few limbs will not matter for a I will heal instantaneoulsy!" What happened to the Logan that had a brain? The amount of times he gets taken out within the first few seconds of a fight because he just ran straight in there is ridiculous - yes Logan way to help the team. He's 100+ years old (who's been through more battles than he can count) not a hormonal 16 yr old idiot - either that or he has some serious sadomasochistic tendancies. Either way, it's hard to take him seriously anymore. Every other month appears to be writers trying to think up a more ridicilous feat for him to heal from (eating own arm anyone). :(

OI MARVEL: Healing factor does NOT equal invincibility. It's not big, it's not clever and it's not cool (seriously someone make them watch some Steve McQueen/James Dean/Marlon Brando/Clint Eastwood).

edit: I think there was an alternate verse story where he healed back from just a finger.

[Agentum]

Maybe can't regenate his brain fully and thats why he always end up with severe injurys:D

[Sean Whitmore]

For what it's worth, Xavier seems to agree that beheading is the best way to kill Wolverine. He listed that in the Xavier Protocols, his backup plans for killing the X-Men if any of them went rogue.


He already has survived a decapitation, I'll quote the issue for you

Wolverine series 3 number 32 Page 13 in my edition

'Week after week, we'd have firing squads, stabbings, beatings and beheadings until I was absolutely sure he wasn't breathing anymore.'


I'd really think twice before I counted that issue as canonical. This was a story where Wolverine spent months in a Nazi prison camp without once saying a word or trying to escape, after all. :) Much like Doom crying over in Spider-Man, I think Wolverine's presence was more symbolic than anything else.


SEAN

[Porcelain]

Ditto on the symbolism for #32.

Regarding having his head chopped off, it's probably the simplest way (cut through the caritledge), but if someone stuck it back on immediately there's the possibilty for healing - but even that is stretching it too far imho.

[Sean Whitmore]

Wolverine has basically become unkillable because "wolverine fanboys" want him that way.


You think the writers have been asking our opinion all this time?


I avoid wolverine for the same reason i avoid Superman powerful unkillable chars don't make a good story


Superman's been around for 60 years, Wolverine for 30. In that time, they've actually had a COUPLE good stories, believe it or not.


SEAN

[bagheera]

Regarding bones, obviously the adamantium coating does not interfere with the blood supply to and from the bones. Bones not only make blood cells, but need their own blood supply to receive oxygen. Otherwise, the bones would die.

My, my, my, how many med students and doctors have spent time explaining the physiology of superheroes to themselves and others. :rolleyes:

[Agentum]

But the Adamantium can that really regenerate itself?
But i guess it can otherwise he will lose the coating of new generated bones.

But i thought it was a metal not a thing that can grow.
He would have to inject more adamantium molecules to cover up the loss.

[shadowraven]

Regarding bones, obviously the adamantium coating does not interfere with the blood supply to and from the bones. Bones not only make blood cells, but need their own blood supply to receive oxygen. Otherwise, the bones would die.

My, my, my, how many med students and doctors have spent time explaining the physiology of superheroes to themselves and others. :rolleyes:

Ya that makes sense. Plus, if adamantium is truly indestructible, his bones wouldn't need to be fully coated. It could be more of a lattice effect were there are pores in the coating so that his bones can perform their usual duties.

I agree that his healing factor is ridiculous at times, but I think there are quite a few people out their who thoroughly enjoy seeing Wolvie take an absurd amount of damage, only to be completely fine in three minutes time.

[fishtaco]

Of course he can die. His adamantium skeleton doesn't mean he can't die (see Uncanny X-Men #142). I have a problem with Wolverine being nearly invincible. That's why Claremont planned to make him less powerful after the Dark Wolverine Saga. Oh, and Wolverine truly died in Uncanny X-Men #227.

[Gnarl]

I've read on here numerous times about how Wolverine can't die.

But didn't he die (off page granted) in Enemy of The State? He'd have to die to get resurected, and I think maybe Fury mentions that.

Any ideas guys?

Or is this like like arguing over which is better ford/chevy, 9mm/45acp so on and so forth?

Actually, I believe that means that he can't die from aging. I think extreme violence would still work.


How come his teeth aren't covered in Adamantium? Aren't teeth bone?

They are, but they are covered in enamel. I suspect the project X guys didn't coat the teeth, because they wanted him to have the option of passing for human/be less memorable. Metal teeth would have spoiled that, and he probably grows new sets anyway.

He can regenerate him self from a single cell now or so i have heard.
The only time he did that, he was touching a crystal whose effect was to amp powers up to their theoretical max. In other words, he was under the effect of an alien artifact magnifying his regen up to "Godawful"
What is odd is that Wolverine has a very obvious problem with the whole healing. His adamatium skeleton covers his bones, this means that his production of blood is also halted. Wolverine only has a certain amount of blood in his body, if he were to loose enough or even little by little lose some of it, then he is likely to die becuase of this, of course this is not writen into the story as you can't have Wolverine die from lack of blood.
This is true, and we have seen that Logan, when his power is swiched off, almost immediately develop symptoms similar to leukemia. His extremely reduced ability to produce red blood cells was remarked on by doctors at the time, along with the speculation that his power compensatied for it whan it was active.
He is also said to heal faster when he didn't have the adamantium.

Incidentally, this means that his power is capable of producing blood.

I am not sure if suffocation or freezing would kill him, though. I would not be suprised to find that his cells can survive in hiberation. If Captain America can do it...

[Alan2099]

Wolverine has been shown to age in various future stories. He just ages a LOT slower than the normal man, so I'd say he could eventually die of old age.

The problem with that is byt he time he gets to that state, he's probably look like a walking zombie anyway.

Also, I've seen people overlord his healing factor. Damage him too much and he just can't handle healing from everything.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

I remember reading an issue where he said it caused him severe pain to unsheath his claws and he could only manage that because of his healing factor. Popping his own claws used to bother him. Now he can replace all of his connective tissue, muscles, etc. on his arm in a few panels.
Has he really come this far in the decade I put X-titles down?

[The Fury]

Regarding bones, obviously the adamantium coating does not interfere with the blood supply to and from the bones. Bones not only make blood cells, but need their own blood supply to receive oxygen. Otherwise, the bones would die.

My, my, my, how many med students and doctors have spent time explaining the physiology of superheroes to themselves and others. :rolleyes:
Well, yes there is that.

Although, fair enough his bones are only covered in adamantium, but this alone still amkes them strong and unbreakable, he actually doesn't need his original bones...although they would have wasted away years ago under the adamantium, so when Magneto removed it, Wolverine would have been a mess...but then the bones were intact and within his body so in time he would have healed from that...right?

[Valmore]

Off subject, but I didn't want to start another Wolvie thread:

How come his teeth aren't covered in Adamantium? Aren't teeth bone?

I'm no scientist, but I think teeth are made of a slightly different materials - dentin and enamel - then the rest of your skeleton's bones.

[Will.S]

Wolverine's healing has got stupid in many years. What writers seem to forget si that while he has a healing power, it is not Regeneration and has to work on the same basic principles that humans have.

For example, no head = dead, no oxygen = dead, no heart = dead, if he were to lose a bone (if it is cut off or pulled from the socket) the body would heal round the wound and not grow a new bone. The human body heals damaged parts and does not usually create a new part.While the "factor" of the healing factor is where it comes into play I think Marvel is more at fault for calling it a healing factor initially when it's in fact low-mid level regeneration but they needed a cooler shorter name for it I guess. Also any attempt at grounding his healing factor to human physiological standards would be in vain since he is a mutant.

Sufficiant damage to Wolverine's heart (Yes, secret war was stupid) or brain should kill him. Removal of is brain or heart should also kill him, more so then the first.

The human body needs oxygen to heal, if the lungs are damaged enough then he coudl also die, he can die from suffication or drowning. While the heart is indeed among the key organs to survival, Logan can repair his internal organs like nobody's business although it takes much longer than with his external tissue. Wether you like it or not, it's a canonical part of his powers history.

What is odd is that Wolverine has a very obvious problem with the whole healing. His adamatium skeleton covers his bones, this means that his production of blood is also halted. Wolverine only has a certain amount of blood in his body, if he were to loose enough or even little by little lose some of it, then he is likely to die becuase of this, of course this is not writen into the story as you can't have Wolverine die from lack of blood. You can either take bagheera's explanation or go with another explanation which would be that his healing factor keeps him alive and adjusts/compensates for his loss of blood. I've found that overanalyzing (while fun in spurts) just takes away from whatever fantastical elements are instilled into mutant powers.

[DDM]

Wolverine can bleed to death if one his arteries is hit.

Wolverine can be killed if he is completely decintergrated.

After Claremont, many writers & editors made Wolverine the all powerful Superman-like character. Suddenly, Wolverine could do & survive anything. It made the character less interesting.

[The Fury]

While the "factor" of the healing factor is where it comes into play I think Marvel is more at fault for calling it a healing factor initially when it's in fact low-mid level regeneration but they needed a cooler shorter name for it I guess. Also any attempt at grounding his healing factor to human physiological standards would be in vain since he is a mutant.

While the heart is indeed among the key organs to survival, Logan can repair his internal organs like nobody's business although it takes much longer than with his external tissue. Wether you like it or not, it's a canonical part of his powers history.
True enough but healing factor is not regeneration. The way I have always taken it, is that he can heal from any wound and injury as long as what needs to be heals still has some of it's self intact.

Lets say he is shot with a gun in the stomach area, no adamantium skeleton to protect him, just organs. But becuase the bullet only cut or damaged part of those organs his body will heal them. But if say a organ was entirely removed from his body...lets say the pancreas, his healing cannot heal something that is not there. This is the same for humans but Wolverine's healing level on those damaged organs is through the roof.

The heart and brain thing is a bit more complicated, the heart and brain are fragile things, one thing wrong with them and the bodies that contain them show signs of it. The incident with Wolverine's heart in his chest was odd becuase the heart is key for healing, he may have been able to heal from the wound as his heart was still within his body but usually in order to heal the body needs blood and oxygen to the area that needs healing...no heart to pump the blood round, no healing. But in that case his blood around his heart was enough to heal it.

You can either take bagheera's explanation or go with another explanation which would be that his healing factor keeps him alive and adjusts/compensates for his loss of blood. I've found that overanalyzing (while fun in spurts) just takes away from whatever fantastical elements are instilled into mutant powers.
I like to overanalyse things, especially when it makes Wolverine's character stupider.

[Zombienorthstar]

Well we know Wolverine can regrow all the flesh muscle cartilidge etc of an entire arm because we saw him do it after Cassandra Nova bassically removed his whole right arm (sans adamantium bone) and a bit of his chest....

The Xavier Protocols claim the best way to kill him is through decapitation but that in itself presents a problems as you would have to
a)keep him still enough to put decapitate him
b) find something powerful enough and someone strong enough to saw through adamantium.
c) youd have to do it quick enough the the flesh didnt start healing while you were halfway through.

My best bet? Leech with a shotgun.

[Mikl C]

when his adamantium was removed his healing factor went into crazy overdrive for a while, and then he wouldv'e been damn near unkillable. the protocols said take off his head and keep it away from his body to prevent any nerve and tissue regrowth :O now he's got adamantium again it should've slowed down. i wish he would be written more realistically, he can still feel pain ffs.

[Will.S]

True enough but healing factor is not regeneration. The way I have always taken it, is that he can heal from any wound and injury as long as what needs to be heals still has some of it's self intact. That's how it still works.

Lets say he is shot with a gun in the stomach area, no adamantium skeleton to protect him, just organs. But becuase the bullet only cut or damaged part of those organs his body will heal them. But if say a organ was entirely removed from his body...lets say the pancreas, his healing cannot heal something that is not there. This is the same for humans but Wolverine's healing level on those damaged organs is through the roof.

The heart and brain thing is a bit more complicated, the heart and brain are fragile things, one thing wrong with them and the bodies that contain them show signs of it. The incident with Wolverine's heart in his chest was odd becuase the heart is key for healing, he may have been able to heal from the wound as his heart was still within his body but usually in order to heal the body needs blood and oxygen to the area that needs healing...no heart to pump the blood round, no healing. But in that case his blood around his heart was enough to heal it. You put down a fair enough scenario so with that, it depends on the extent of the damage Daisy Johnson did to his heart. She most likely ruptured it like a bullet but didn't explode it outright to a million pieces since his healing powers would still have enough to work with.

The most extreme case I've seen (and maybe even moreso than Morrison's take) was when Mauvais (http://www.mutanthigh.com/mauvais.html) ripped out Wolverine's eye and ate it so I dunno how much cellular information was there for it to rebuild.

I like to overanalyse things, especially when it makes Wolverine's character stupider.There are still alot of ways he can die, they've just increased his pain threshold and put him through the ringer on just how much damage he can take. It's a trait that has been built into the character since the beginning.

[Alan2099]

when his adamantium was removed his healing factor went into crazy overdrive for a while,
Once his healing factor built back up. For quite a while after he lost it, he healed on a tiny bit faster than the average person. He might as well had not even had a healing factor.

[Tommy]

No, because GOD FOREBID we live in a world with out a WONDERFUL character like Wolverine.

[Montopolis]

I dont know about dying, Id like to know what happens if he gets herpes?
would it go away?:confused:

[Sean Whitmore]

I dont know about dying, Id like to know what happens if he gets herpes?
would it go away?:confused:


Something tells me Logan's had his fair share of VD in his time.


SEAN

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Wolverine can bleed to death if one his arteries is hit.

Wolverine can be killed if he is completely decintergrated.

After Claremont, many writers & editors made Wolverine the all powerful Superman-like character. Suddenly, Wolverine could do & survive anything. It made the character less interesting.

Wolverine can not die from an artiery being hit. I and you can survive an artery being hit. Logan has had metal leeched through every pour, been set a blaze, lost half his arm and what not. All things that would surley include hitting an artiery.


Decapitation won't work because of the adimantium. Lighting him a flame won't work. Happened in X-men: Populatea(sp), Meltdown, Wolverine.

Molecular Rearranger would do get rid of the adimantium and then decapitation would work.

I don't think old age would ever work. Not only is Wolverine's aging slowed because of the healing factor but during Weapon X all the subjects were given an age retarding drug. That's how Mavrick, Silver Fox, Wrath and Mastadon(until sudden aging) didn't age as of the 90's. With both those
things going he would probobly never die of old age.

[Zombienorthstar]

i still think the best way is to get a power sucker like Pusle or Leech to turn him off...then shoot the bitch.

[DDM]

i still think the best way is to get a power sucker like Pusle or Leech to turn him off...then shoot the bitch.

When the Genoshan mutant, Wipeout, took away Wolverine & Rogue's powers, Wolverine was slowly dying due to the adamantium bonded to his bones; it was causing a form of lead poisoning. Rogue was equally without her power to the point of turning the mission over to her Ms. Marvel Carol Danvers personality. Together, Wolverine & Carol Danvers caused more trouble for the Genoshan Magistrates while the other X-Men rescued them in Uncanny X-Men #235-238.

[DDM]

Wolverine can not die from an artiery being hit. I and you can survive an artery being hit. Logan has had metal leeched through every pour, been set a blaze, lost half his arm and what not. All things that would surley include hitting an artiery.


Decapitation won't work because of the adimantium. Lighting him a flame won't work. Happened in X-men: Populatea(sp), Meltdown, Wolverine.

Molecular Rearranger would do get rid of the adimantium and then decapitation would work.

I don't think old age would ever work. Not only is Wolverine's aging slowed because of the healing factor but during Weapon X all the subjects were given an age retarding drug. That's how Mavrick, Silver Fox, Wrath and Mastadon(until sudden aging) didn't age as of the 90's. With both those
things going he would probobly never die of old age.


Callisto said she could kill Wolverine by slashing his arteries. By the time his healing factor kicked in, Wolverine would be dead in Uncanny X-Men #214.

Wolverine has been disintergrated as shown in Uncanny X-Men #142. Yes, he can die.

[Sentinel K]

Decapitation won't work because of the adimantium. Lighting him a flame won't work. Happened in X-men: Populatea(sp), Meltdown, Wolverine.



Sure decapitation would work. As long as he was cut between the vertebrae. His spinal cord would be severed.

Basically he'd be proper ****ed.

[Sean Whitmore]

When the Genoshan mutant, Wipeout, took away Wolverine & Rogue's powers, Wolverine was slowly dying due to the adamantium bonded to his bones; it was causing a form of lead poisoning.


Same thing happened to him when the High Evolutionary took away all mutant powers on earth in X-Men #99.


SEAN

[Exodus]

Yeah he can die, as many others have mentioned, Days of future past a Sentinel burns all the flesh from his body in one hit, that was no random sentinel attack thou, remember the X-men was lead into a trap in the Baxter building.


As for His arm regrowing in a few pages after Cassandra Nova burned the flesh from it, it makes perfect sense that wolverines Powers have increased since we first got to know him.

Consider what he has gone thru recently.


The Ademantium got stripped from his bones by Magneto, and he reverted to a "Wolf boy" Wolverine with bone claws.
Then we learn that his Ademantium had been keeping his Healing factor down, and it should in fact be ALOT stronger, "Wolf boy" Wolverine gets hit by a car and his bones regenerate themselves almost instantly upon breaking.

Later he gets his Ademantium back thanks to Apocalypse, but nowhere has anyone said his Healing factor is still diminished, After all, Apocalypse makes u stronger.


I know the whole "wolf boy" era was a terrible part of Wolverines past, that im sure weve all managed to supress in our minds, but its continuity, so there it is.


-Exodus

[Michael P]

Yeah, he can die, it's just not easy to make happen.

My favorite method, yet to be practiced in the comics, would be to shoot him point-blank in the eye. The bullet would move through the socket and into the brainpan, where it would ricochet around until it lost momentum, shredding his brain like confetti. At the bare minimum, it would turn him into a hairy Terri Schiavo.

[Gnarl]

When the Genoshan mutant, Wipeout, took away Wolverine & Rogue's powers, Wolverine was slowly dying due to the adamantium bonded to his bones; it was causing a form of lead poisoning. Rogue was equally without her power to the point of turning the mission over to her Ms. Marvel Carol Danvers personality. Together, Wolverine & Carol Danvers caused more trouble for the Genoshan Magistrates while the other X-Men rescued them in Uncanny X-Men #235-238.

Really? I remembered it as the inability to produce red blood cells killinh him, because the adamantium bones didn't do that. Been a while since I read that story, though.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Yeah, he can die, it's just not easy to make happen.

My favorite method, yet to be practiced in the comics, would be to shoot him point-blank in the eye. The bullet would move through the socket and into the brainpan, where it would ricochet around until it lost momentum, shredding his brain like confetti. At the bare minimum, it would turn him into a hairy Terri Schiavo.

wouldn't the tissue In his brain regenerate though, pretty much as soon as the bullet passed through, and normal bone can slow down a bullet. (there have been bullets found lodged in shin bones etc.)
I don't think it would be much of a problem for him.

[Xany Kaos]

How 'bout getting a telekinetic to pull his brain out through his nose, a la egyptian mummies? If they did it quick-like, maybe the healing factor wouldn't be able to replace the brain cells fast enough.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Callisto said she could kill Wolverine by slashing his arteries. By the time his healing factor kicked in, Wolverine would be dead in Uncanny X-Men #214.

Wolverine has been disintergrated as shown in Uncanny X-Men #142. Yes, he can die.

Callisto just said that, she is all talk. An artery bledd would not kill Wolverine.

Wolverine's healing factor has gone crazy since DOTFP storyline. A sential in now time could not kill Wolverine like that. F him up yes, but kill no way.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Yeah, he can die, it's just not easy to make happen.

My favorite method, yet to be practiced in the comics, would be to shoot him point-blank in the eye. The bullet would move through the socket and into the brainpan, where it would ricochet around until it lost momentum, shredding his brain like confetti. At the bare minimum, it would turn him into a hairy Terri Schiavo.

Can't kill him. Creed's healing factor is no where near Logans and he healed up from having a claw popped into his brain and slicing it in two pieces. Creed didn't die, no way Logan would.

[steve2275]

My best bet? Leech with a shotgun.
through the skull

[fishtaco]

I know the whole "wolf boy" era was a terrible part of Wolverines past, that im sure weve all managed to supress in our minds, but its continuity, so there it is.


-ExodusThe whole thing past 1991 and especially in the last 3 years is total crap. I don't consider any of it canon, or even worthy of canon.
Wolverine's healing factor has gone crazy since DOTFP storyline. A sential in now time could not kill Wolverine like that. F him up yes, but kill no way.Yes it can. A sentinel from Earth 616 can kill Wolverine. It doesn't have to be 2013.Can't kill him. Creed's healing factor is no where near Logans and he healed up from having a claw popped into his brain and slicing it in two pieces. Creed didn't die, no way Logan would.That's just what happens when you have writers with silly ideas and editors who don't do their homework. Due to the absurdity of Sabretooth surviving a sharp claw through his head and into his brain, it's best that all of that stuff be ignored completely.

[Davidai]

Wolverine's "healing factor" has been all over the map throughout his written history. I prefer it when he could sustain great injury and took days or weeks to recover whereas a regular human would have been killed or taken months/years to recover. The regeneration of burnt-off flesh in three panels is a bit over-the-top for my taste.

Yes, he can be killed. I see no reason a Sentinel could not kill him in DoFP. I assume Sentinels of the future have more advanced powers. Tossing him into the sun would surely incinerate him beyond repair. Decapitating is a bit difficult but not undoable. Xavier has indeed shut down his mind before, mid-leap when Logan and Scott fought in Ultimate X-men. Drowning would work. So, Wolverine's continued life depends on equal parts luck, sheer refusal to die and the fans' decades-old love for him.

Still, I'd like to see more recognition of his suffering when injured and how it takes actual time to recover.

Pretty much agree.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

The whole thing past 1991 and especially in the last 3 years is total crap. I don't consider any of it canon, or even worthy of canon. Yes it can. A sentinel from Earth 616 can kill Wolverine. It doesn't have to be 2013.That's just what happens when you have writers with silly ideas and editors who don't do their homework. Due to the absurdity of Sabretooth surviving a sharp claw through his head and into his brain, it's best that all of that stuff be ignored completely.


Man your mindset is kind of crap. You choose depending upon what you like what not to and what to keep in continutiy.

Fact: Sabertooth survived his brain being cut up and Wolverine would survive the same and more since his healing factor is stronger than Creed's.

Fact: DOTFP was totally negated by the storyline: Here comes tomarrow. In DOTFP Wolverine is older with grey and its only 30 years in the future. In Here Comes Tomarrow its 150 years in the future and he is still young as ever. Meaning 150 years from now he has barley aged at all. Age would not kill him possibly ever and in DOTFP he was a lot older and weaker. Healing factor was a lot weaker. Show me where a Sentinal in 616 fried Wolverine?

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Ultimate X-men is not 616 X-men. Why can people not get that. Just cause something happened in Ultimate does not mean it can happen in 616. Yes Xavier shut down Logans mind for a time in Ultimate but not permently. IN 616 I bet Xavier could shut his mind off for a long time but not permantly because of his healing factor.

You can NOT decapitate him because of the adimantium bones. Get rid of the metal bones then we can talk. If not, without a molecular rearanger its impossible because in 616 adimantium is UNBREAKABLE!!!

If we count DOTFP as cannon then we need to count all the what if storylines. One where Wolverine is death, he ends up killing ALL the hero's on earth. DOTFP is out of cannon because of the stroyline Here Comes Tomarrow. The idea is still alive but not that particualr storyline. Meaning a Sentinal has yet to kill Wolverine.

Drowing might work but he can actually die for a while just like in Wolverine #176. He died for 22 minutes when his healing factor shut off. Once it came back on, it healed him up from even death. Which makes me think if his body ever got out of water, he might just heal up.

HIs mind can not be shut down permantly because of his healing factor.

The sun would kill him only if he was thrown into it and left there. Cause in X-men #149/150 him and Jean go into the sun but Jean pulls him out of it a minute later. His skin and even his eyes are burnt away but he starts to heal up.

Space might kill him but again its like the drowning and only if he is left in space.

An artery cut is the biggest joke alive. Callisto is smoking crack. Not possible for Wolverine to die like that. I would bet MY over 1000 comics on this statement.

I think Wolverine now a days is almost impossible to kill. Get rid of the adimantium and you have a chance but without doing that its near impossible.

[Montopolis]

There must be SOME level of mortality, if it was clear whether he is immortal, than that would just make him a boring character, sort of like Superman, you know, he’s TOO powerful, not interesting, the fun part about wolverine is he can really get messed up, and theres always the possibility of whether he’ll make it or not. Hence why we have 5 pages dedicated to this.

[spoon_jenkins]

I'd echo a lot of the comments of Meta, the Fury, etc.

The problem is that Wolverine's healing factor has been portrayed in two distinct inconsistent ways. In the original protrayal, he essentially just healed fast. Stuff like being stabbed and shot would significantly hurt him, although he'd recover rapidly. Nowadays, his healing factor has been changed to make it something wholly different than human healing. For example, human beings don't regenerate body parts and I don't think Wolverine could've back in the day. Now, he's portrayed as being able to do things like that. I think the portrayal began to change significantly with the Larry Hama era on his solo book.

Personally, I like the old portrayal of his healing factor.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

I'd echo a lot of the comments of Meta, the Fury, etc.

The problem is that Wolverine's healing factor has been portrayed in two distinct inconsistent ways. In the original protrayal, he essentially just healed fast. Stuff like being stabbed and shot would significantly hurt him, although he'd recover rapidly. Nowadays, his healing factor has been changed to make it something wholly different than human healing. For example, human beings don't regenerate body parts and I don't think Wolverine could've back in the day. Now, he's portrayed as being able to do things like that. I think the portrayal began to change significantly with the Larry Hama era on his solo book.

Personally, I like the old portrayal of his healing factor.

His healing factor makes sense now. After so many things bad happening to him, it got stronger. Like when you consistantly cut your arm, it scars over and the skin becomes more resistant. HIs healing factor was continuing to get taxed to the limit so it makes sense that it would get stronger. Just like a normal human. Although now, its off the scales. Although with everything that's happened to him, it makes sense.

Plus Hama along with Clarment defined who Wolverine was/is and ever will be. Hama is the man.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Wolverine can be summed up in one sentence: "Jason Voorhees meet the Marvel Universe."

[Angel of Death]

You can NOT decapitate him because of the adimantium bones. Get rid of the metal bones then we can talk. If not, without a molecular rearanger its impossible because in 616 adimantium is UNBREAKABLE!!!



Yes, the adamantium is unbreakable, but the spinal column is not one long stick of adamantium, it's made up of stacked adamantium disks, inside of which is the majority of your nervous system.

Between the adamntium disks, you could slip an edged weapon and sever the route your nervous system uses to send messages to your lungs and heart, like breathe in, breathe out, and pump, pump, pump (for the heart). That would effectively kill him.

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[Montopolis]

Holy Crap!! I think we just broke a new level of geekyness.

[Angel of Death]

Holy Crap!! I think we just broke a new level of geekyness.

Agreed. Although I am ....

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[The DareDevil]

Think of it...yes, Wolverine CAN die, but most likely...it wont happen due to an attack on his body. His healing factor generally increases each time it is used, and therefore, so is his body.

Adimantium IS unbreakable...but that doesn't mean it can't be torn out. Just look at what Magneto did to Wolverine's claws in X2. He split them apart a bit. Who says he can't do that with the rest of the adimantium in his body?

[Sean Whitmore]

Adimantium IS unbreakable...but that doesn't mean it can't be torn out. Just look at what Magneto did to Wolverine's claws in X2. He split them apart a bit. Who says he can't do that with the rest of the adimantium in his body?


He has. In X-Men #25, Magneto yanked every trace of adamantium right out of Logan's body. Bit of a mess, actually.


SEAN

[SnakeEater]

Was dying t get home and read/participate in a thread like this since i came home from seeing Xmen three earlier today and saw the ending, which im not mentioning.

Wolverine (well, his body at least) cut his own finger off in Ultimate Spiderman about a year or two back...and his entire finger regenerated like a lizard.

He was in the freaking sun in (New) X-men 150. His adamantium was ripped out in Xmen 25.

Cassandra Nova blow his entire arm away in (New) Xmen 114, and same thing in he New Mutants story in Ultimate Xmen about 2 years back (but tht wasnt his arm it was his leg.)

I know wolverine could die, because sabretooth tried to drown him in Ultimate Xmen 11 or 12, its more then possible. Its probably going to take alot to kill him though, not just 30 seconds or 8 minutes in water but it could happen. The only problem i have is that damn finger just growing back like a lizard

[david r]

Wolverine can die. It's just that it will never last. His healing factor will always resurrect him.

Logan died in the pages of X-Treme X-Men. His healing factor brought him back. His healing factor works on many different levels. It does heal his wounds with incredible speed, and can repair his internal injuries rapidly. But also once his lifeforce leaves his body, as long as his flesh or organs still exist, he will "recreate" himself and his soul can return to the flesh.

So could Logan be the ultimate zombie? Chris Claremont had planned a major storyarc that would have seen Wolverine killed in battle with Lady Deathstrike. This would have happened in X-Men vol. 2, #3. Deathstrike would have ripped out his heart. And that would have been that. Funeral, burial. The whole shebang.

Fortunately, Wolverine would not stay dead. As Claremont pointed out, all of his body and flesh would have rotted to a disgusting point. But not all of him would rot. Slowly, his body would have, slowly over time, reanimated itself. Cell by cell, organ by organ. Ultimately, Claremont was trying to say that Wolverine IS almost unkillable. As long as some physical essence of him remains, he can reanimate and regrow himself. (I'm sure Grant Morrison could have dreamed up some weird stuff with this concept.)

Eventually, Wolverine would have come back to life. The life spark would have returned once his body and reanimated itself. Unfortunately, by that point Logan's body would have been in the clutches of the Hand and they would have brainwashed him into becoming their Master Assassin. The Hand having attempted to brainwash Logan in the classic Uncanny X-Men issues of #257 and #258 have implanted a secret suggestion in his brain. it only "appeared" they failed to break him in #258, when in fact, the Hand had used him as a Trojan Horse. The X-Men fears that Psylocke was still beholden to the Hand were false. It was never Betsy at all, but Wolverine himself.

Wolverine's uncanny ability to heal himself would fail if his physical form was completely destroyed in say, falling into the sun. where Logan would be completely discorporated. This being the Marvel Universe, however, and such deities as Ego and Galactus and Mephisto existing, Logan could always be resurrected and brought back. Larry Hama touched upon this at certain points during his "Wolverine" run.

Perhaps a more interesting question is: Is Logan immortal? How long has he actually been alive? We are told from the 19th Century? During World War II, Logan appears to be the same age he is in now (see UXM #268 and "True Friends".) So how slowly does he age? The adamantium would not affect his aging, since it is not a part of his mutant healing factor, and in fact, Logan did not receive it until World War II. I in fact, would like to see a tale where Logan outlives all the other X-Men. This would seem to be a logical step in his tale. Nearly all the other X-Men are mortal, and he will outlive them. How will Logan handle seeing all his friends and loved ones grow old and perish? Logan will outlive Storm, Kitty Pryde, Nightcrawler, Xavier and Magneto. In a way, he is similiar to a vampire, where all his mortal peers will perish. Even the world that he understands and loves, will fade and disappear into a new and uncertain tomorrow.

Wolverine could find himself in a new age. All his beloved X-Men are dead and buried, and yet because of his healing factor, Logan goes on living. Only he remains. Might Logan live for centuries? Just how powerful is his healing factor? Would he eventually grow tired of living, and seeing the world around him change time and again. What if he actually grows weary of the superhero game, and decides to retire? Where will he go, since he already has ventured across the world many times over. Logan has even crossed the stars. I could see a day where Wolverine wishes death. Where his lonely, tired existence finally wears on him heavier than any villain ever could. Where the endlessly streaming days wear on in a never-ending cycle of morning, daytime, dusk, night. Each day and night passing neglected and useless, like the last. Logan could grow not to care any longer about his sanity. Or his role as a "conscience" to the younger mutants. The day could come where he wishes death. Could Logan even commit suicide? If he tried? Could his healing factor actually become a curse? A curse where there is never any freedom? A claustrophobic nightmare where there is no waking? I could see this day come for Logan.

All life needs to have an ending. It is the natural order of things. Wolverine breaks that natural order. I think there might be repercussions to this. to both Logan's sanity, and the world around him.

[SnakeEater]

David R, dude you hit the nail on the head. Given time and stuff to read this and also wishing i had as much extented backgroudn with xmen like you guys do, i would have said something similar but from what i know i would have to say that you are right.

But the only thing is you have to remember he was born in the late 1800s i believe (Origin of course) So its one...200 years later and still he looks to be at least...AT LEAST 36 years old. We know he is like 200+ but he looks 36. Also in Wolverine The End i believe he was the only one left alive, he wasnt around Xmen anymore but i never read that i skimmed through the trade...i want it so bad though.

[Sean Whitmore]

Also in Wolverine The End i believe he was the only one left alive, he wasnt around Xmen anymore but i never read that i skimmed through the trade...i want it so bad though.


Nooooo you don't. Trust me, you really don't.


SEAN

[Ontir]

Yes, Wolverine can die. In fact, he's dead in the time that Rachel Summers comes from. He had every bit of organic matter burned off his adamantium bones by a Sentinel.

It's not easy, but it can happen.

[ReaderX]

For some reason, I have this odd picture in my head of Wolverine and Banner looking over the ruins of a once great civilization in the distant future. Wolverine asks Banner, "You ever miss the old days?" Banner, "yup". The End.

[Angel of Death]

For some reason, I have this odd picture in my head of Wolverine and Banner looking over the ruins of a once great civilization in the distant future. Wolverine asks Banner, "You ever miss the old days?" Banner, "yup". The End.

'would have been a hell of a lot better than Wolvie: The End. It had such potential! :confused:

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Was dying t get home and read/participate in a thread like this since i came home from seeing Xmen three earlier today and saw the ending, which im not mentioning.

Wolverine (well, his body at least) cut his own finger off in Ultimate Spiderman about a year or two back...and his entire finger regenerated like a lizard.

He was in the freaking sun in (New) X-men 150. His adamantium was ripped out in Xmen 25.

Cassandra Nova blow his entire arm away in (New) Xmen 114, and same thing in he New Mutants story in Ultimate Xmen about 2 years back (but tht wasnt his arm it was his leg.)

I know wolverine could die, because sabretooth tried to drown him in Ultimate Xmen 11 or 12, its more then possible. Its probably going to take alot to kill him though, not just 30 seconds or 8 minutes in water but it could happen. The only problem i have is that damn finger just growing back like a lizard


ULTIMATE X-MEN DOES NOT COUNT!!!!!!!!!

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

David R, dude you hit the nail on the head. Given time and stuff to read this and also wishing i had as much extented backgroudn with xmen like you guys do, i would have said something similar but from what i know i would have to say that you are right.

But the only thing is you have to remember he was born in the late 1800s i believe (Origin of course) So its one...200 years later and still he looks to be at least...AT LEAST 36 years old. We know he is like 200+ but he looks 36. Also in Wolverine The End i believe he was the only one left alive, he wasnt around Xmen anymore but i never read that i skimmed through the trade...i want it so bad though.


The End does not count because of X-men #151-153. In it, we see Wolverine 150 years from now looking as young as ever. Which means he would have been close to 300 years old. Old age can not kill him, evidence right here.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Yes, Wolverine can die. In fact, he's dead in the time that Rachel Summers comes from. He had every bit of organic matter burned off his adamantium bones by a Sentinel.

It's not easy, but it can happen.


This story does not count!!! Can people not freaking understand this. X-men #151-153 totally negated that storyline. In DOTFP its 2015 and Wolverine is old and grey and his healing factor is diminished. ALthough in HCT Wolverine is close to 300 years old and his healing factor was as good as ever.

A Sentinal would not kill him. No way.

[DDM]

This story does not count!!! Can people not freaking understand this. X-men #151-153 totally negated that storyline. In DOTFP its 2015 and Wolverine is old and grey and his healing factor is diminished. ALthough in HCT Wolverine is close to 300 years old and his healing factor was as good as ever.

A Sentinal would not kill him. No way.

Although an alternate Wolverine died, still Wolverine died along with the surviving members of the X-Men save Kate Pryde & Rachel Summers in Uncanny X-Men #142.

[Sean Whitmore]

This story does not count!!! Can people not freaking understand this. X-men #151-153 totally negated that storyline. In DOTFP its 2015 and Wolverine is old and grey and his healing factor is diminished. ALthough in HCT Wolverine is close to 300 years old and his healing factor was as good as ever.


Those two stories are both just possible futures. Neither one of them has any more weight than the other.


SEAN

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Although an alternate Wolverine died, still Wolverine died along with the surviving members of the X-Men save Kate Pryde & Rachel Summers in Uncanny X-Men #142.


No this story does not count because in this storyline Wolverine would have died of old age. It has been shown in other future storylines Wolverine will not die of old age some 300 years into the future. Hence the storyline severly underestimated Wolverine's healing and age factor.

A Sentinal would not kill WOlverine. If DOTFP count then all of the What If counts. In one of those it showed WOlverine killing the Marvel Universe single handedly.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Those two stories are both just possible futures. Neither one of them has any more weight than the other.


SEAN


Wrong, whatever story is the latest one is the most current and in cannon. Hence, WOlverine still young at 300 years old.

[Will.S]

The adamantium would not affect his aging, since it is not a part of his mutant healing factor, and in fact, Logan did not receive it until World War II.
Receive the adamantium until WWII?

[Angel of Death]

Receive the adamantium until WWII?

Yeah, I thought it was a cold-war-era deal. Not that Marvel would date thier stories, just the jive i got.

[Will.S]

Yeah, I thought it was a cold-war-era deal. Not that Marvel would date thier stories, just the jive i got.
Thats pretty much the same timeline I would put it in.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

It did happen during the Cold War. Marvel was pissed at Barry Widser-Smith for dating the book Weapon X. He stated that it happened in the years during the Cold War and the book has never been rectoned.

[Barnaby]

Fact: Sabertooth survived his brain being cut up and Wolverine would survive the same and more since his healing factor is stronger than Creed's.



Sorry my lack of expertise, but where does it say that Logan's healing factor is better than Creed's?

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Sorry my lack of expertise, but where does it say that Logan's healing factor is better than Creed's?

From the simple fact of everything that happens. When his adimantium was in him the 1st time they both repeatedly said there healing factor's were equal. So when Wolverine lost the metal his healing factor shot through the roof. Common sense dictates that Wolverine's is better than Creed's.

[xsyphon]

How about if Magneto were to rip him to shreds or launches Wolverines body into the vacuum of space and leave him there. The cold and not beeing able to breath should Kill him. Another Way is that the Human Tourch should be able to incinerate Wolverines entire organic body until everything except maybe the Adamantium is gone.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

How about if Magneto were to rip him to shreds or launches Wolverines body into the vacuum of space and leave him there. The cold and not beeing able to breath should Kill him. Another Way is that the Human Tourch should be able to incinerate Wolverines entire organic body until everything except maybe the Adamantium is gone.


I don't think Magento could launch Wolverine out of orbit. I think he could get him up in space but that's it. Meaning the earths atmosphere would bring him back down. Sure he would be out for like a week straight but he would still be alive. Remeber Wolverine was dead forr some 20 minutes in Wolverine #176. Meaning he could survive for a time in space. Enough to be put back into earths orbit.

Also remember when Magneto pulled the adimantium out of Wolverine he was ineffect powerless. It took so much power and concentration to rip the metal out of WOlverine, Magneto could do nothing else. IN X-men #25 after pulling the metal out Magneot just about passed out. He would have if not for Xavier wipping his mind clean. Wolverine would be out, so would Magneot and eventually both men would live to fight another day. Or until Wolvy wakes up, crawls over and stabs Magneto in the head.

Human Torch and Cassandra NOva has used high intensity flames on Wolverine and in a matter of seconds his arm was healing itself back to where he could use it. If Torch went super nova I still don't think he could kill Wolverine. Here is why:

1. The shock wave would throw Wolverine far away. Yes he would be burnt but he would have a chance to heal. I think he would probobly burn him down to the muscle and for some parts the bone. It would take him weeks to grow back his skin but he would survive.

2. Torch can't hold onto someone during a super nova because he is maxing out his power and to try and concentrate on holding Wolverine would not work.


The only way it would work is if Torch was able to get Wolverine stuck in place and then go super nova on him right beside him without the shock wave sending him flying.

[Citizen V]

Of course Wolverine can die,it depends on what type of injury and who inflicts it.True,i doubt the average villian can kill him,but with someone of real power,like Thanos,it should be no problem.

[Barnaby]

I don't get all this "immortal" Wolverine all of a suden...

I've been kind of away from comics this last couple of years, but last time i checked Wolverine could die! How come he now regenerates and stuff?!? Didn't he lose a hand in AOA? Didn't grow back!

Claremont mentioned his "mortality" several times in his first run in UXM! I remember Wolverine being very weak after his first fight with Lady Deathstrike and Callisto mentioning something about he not resisting much more agressions... he almost died when Pierce crucified him and he died in the future at the hand of a sentinel... i just hate all this immortality stuff, and if he can grow back lost members, than it's just plain ridiculous!

[Nightcrawler]

Of course Wolverine can die,it depends on what type of injury and who inflicts it.True,i doubt the average villian can kill him,but with someone of real power,like Thanos,it should be no problem.

If you think it takes Thanos to kill Wolverine, you've fallen prey to the Joe Quesada hype machine. Don't panic, you're not the first, and you won't be the last.

[DDM]

I don't get all this "immortal" Wolverine all of a suden...

I've been kind of away from comics this last couple of years, but last time i checked Wolverine could die! How come he now regenerates and stuff?!? Didn't he lose a hand in AOA? Didn't grow back!

Claremont mentioned his "mortality" several times in his first run in UXM! I remember Wolverine being very weak after his first fight with Lady Deathstrike and Callisto mentioning something about he not resisting much more agressions... he almost died when Pierce crucified him and he died in the future at the hand of a sentinel... i just hate all this immortality stuff, and if he can grow back lost members, than it's just plain ridiculous!

Deathbird mentions that Wolverine is a shadow of his former self in Uncanny X-Men #275-276 with only his force of will keeping him alive.

Joe Quesada's Marvel has hyped Wolverine into something almost beyond superhuman; it makes Wolvie a very dull character...

[garydenaldo]

I might not be remembering this correctly, but didn't Wolverine survive a direct nuclear explosion in that "Venom: Shiver" mini? Ridiculous!

[Sean Whitmore]

I might not be remembering this correctly, but didn't Wolverine survive a direct nuclear explosion in that "Venom: Shiver" mini? Ridiculous!


Your memory is probably fine, that sounds exactly like the kind of inane crap I'd expect from that series.


SEAN

[Barnaby]

I might not be remembering this correctly, but didn't Wolverine survive a direct nuclear explosion in that "Venom: Shiver" mini? Ridiculous!

Jeez! He's a mutant for cryin' out loud!! Not a god!!:mad:

[Barnaby]

And he's not even omega level!

[DoubleShot]

Yeah, he can die. He died in Days of Future Past. Just don't let even a drop of blood remain. God, what a horrible annual that was. Even his admantium grew back.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Yeah, he can die. He died in Days of Future Past. Just don't let even a drop of blood remain. God, what a horrible annual that was. Even his admantium grew back.

If you are talking about Uncanny X-men Annual #11 then you are sorley mistaken. That was one of the best annulas and one of the better issues ever. Every charecter was given there hearts desire and they had a choice to accept it or leave it. Everyone on the team accepted their hearts desire except for Wolverine. Wolverine resisted his hearts desire because he knew it wasn't real. This issue showed how much of a true abdominal will Wolverine has. This sotry was later redone in X-men: The End.

Also Wolverine did not regrow his adimantium back. The vilian in the story ripped Wolverine's heart out but a drop of blood got onto a crystal of Godhood. Wolverine only healed up from a drop of blood because of the crystal's power to supercharge his healing factor. Without the crystal he would have died.

What an incredible story about not giving into the allusions of one's heart's desire when reality awaits you.

[Foley]

Wolverine can die just like any other marvel character. Sy'm killed him pretty easily and kept his bones around as a trophy during the whole Illyana as a demon sorceress thing. If we wanna get picky, Here Comes Tomorrow doesn't count either Thanos/Wolverine because Jean Grey circumvented the whole thing by messing with Scott's mind and making him Emma's bitch. A telepath could shut down wolvies brain. Selene could use her molecular powers to turn his adamantium into cheesecake and his blood into cherry filling. Magneto could just pull his skeleton out of his body instead of just leaching the adamantium. Scarlet Witch could turn off his healing factor. Superboy Prime could retcon punch his ass into being a little old lady who got hit by a car.

One of the best Wolvie stories I've read in a long time was in X-men Unlimited. It was Wolvie dealing with the pain of being eviscerated while he was waiting to heal. I wish I could remember the issue number, but it talked about how he wouldn't tell the others how bad it hurt because there was no reason to worry them. It was a really good issue.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Wolverine can die just like any other marvel character. Sy'm killed him pretty easily and kept his bones around as a trophy during the whole Illyana as a demon sorceress thing. If we wanna get picky, Here Comes Tomorrow doesn't count either Thanos/Wolverine because Jean Grey circumvented the whole thing by messing with Scott's mind and making him Emma's bitch. A telepath could shut down wolvies brain. Selene could use her molecular powers to turn his adamantium into cheesecake and his blood into cherry filling. Magneto could just pull his skeleton out of his body instead of just leaching the adamantium. Scarlet Witch could turn off his healing factor. Superboy Prime could retcon punch his ass into being a little old lady who got hit by a car.

One of the best Wolvie stories I've read in a long time was in X-men Unlimited. It was Wolvie dealing with the pain of being eviscerated while he was waiting to heal. I wish I could remember the issue number, but it talked about how he wouldn't tell the others how bad it hurt because there was no reason to worry them. It was a really good issue.

1. It has been said over and over and over again Wolverine is resistate to telapathic attacks. All the stuff that happened in Weapon X has screwed Wolverine's head up and telepaths can't stop him that way. Also see how Cassandra Nova does when Wolverine goes feral. She can't touch him mentally.

2. Here Comes Tomarrow is not a possible future you are right but the storyline counts because of Jean. Just like DOTFP is not a possible storyline but it counts only because of Rachel. Still back to the point. If the last future story you read about Wolverine is set 150 years in the future and he hasn't aged what does that say? DOTFP quickly aged Wolverine so much it was a joke. Cause accordingt to that logic, Logan will be old and crusty in 20 years. I don't think so. Plus look at Wolverine #84. Set years in the future and Logan is as young as ever. According to early X-men issues Wolverine would be old in the future but according to new X-men issues Wolverine's healing factor is retarded so much he doesn't age at all. Also durng Weapon X he was given age supressing drugs just like Creed/Mavrick/Silver Fox/Wraith and Mastadon. So it basically double his already slow age process.

3. When Sym tangled with the REAL Logan, not some alternate dimension of Logan he kicked Sym's tail. Also how could Sym break adimantium? Its unbreakable. Not possible. That was a what if the X-men were stuck in limbo and for some reason all laws of logic went out the door. Like adimantium being easily broken.

4. Magento could not just pull out the metal because he would be moved with it. He has to leech it out or if he tries to pull the metal or he will just pull Wolverine with him. Do you understand?

5. Scarlet Witch is depowered so how could she do anything to Wolverine. Also if you mean the Scarlet Witch of old then her Hex powers could still not do anything to him. If you are talking abut the HOM plot driven Witch, well she is no more. Plus since she can change anything, does she even count? That's like saying, well God could kill Wolverine.:rolleyes:

6. DC and Marvel are in the same universe? When did this happen? Plus the rectoon punch only works in the paridise dimension which is no more. Keep trying though.

7. If Selena could do that, then technically she could take out the entire Marvel Universe. So why has she not done it then? Are you overexaggerating a bit? Plus if she can change all molecules why did she not do that to Rachel and Logan in Uncanny X-men #206-211? :confused:

[Sean Whitmore]

1. It has been said over and over and over again Wolverine is resistate to telapathic attacks. All the stuff that happened in Weapon X has screwed Wolverine's head up and telepaths can't stop him that way. Also see how Cassandra Nova does when Wolverine goes feral. She can't touch him mentally.


Writers flipflop on this point, though. In the past, Xavier has been able to put him to sleep with no discernible effort. Other times, Logan can hold off a telepathic assault with some effort.


SEAN

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Writers flipflop on this point, though. In the past, Xavier has been able to put him to sleep with no discernible effort. Other times, Logan can hold off a telepathic assault with some effort.


SEAN


You are very right. Although the last instance was Nova in Xavier's body and Wolverine himself stated that he was resistant to her mental attacks because he went into feral mode. The wy I see it, if telapaths could shut down his mind then why oh why can they not read his mind and his true memory's. If Xavier and Jean at the same time can not get past Logan's mental and Weapon X mind blocks how could they shut down his mind?

[Sean Whitmore]

The wy I see it, if telapaths could shut down his mind then why oh why can they not read his mind and his true memory's. If Xavier and Jean at the same time can not get past Logan's mental and Weapon X mind blocks how could they shut down his mind?


I figure it's a difference of degree. Picking out a memory sounds like it would be very delicate work, especially if you're trying not to hurt the person. Case in point: Nova, who wouldn't care about hurting him, reached right into his memory and called him "James".

Whereas just mentally sedating him would be just the opposite. No fine-tune work, just going in like a sledgehammer to deliver a mental "punch to the jaw", as it were.


SEAN

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

I figure it's a difference of degree. Picking out a memory sounds like it would be very delicate work, especially if you're trying not to hurt the person. Case in point: Nova, who wouldn't care about hurting him, reached right into his memory and called him "James".

Whereas just mentally sedating him would be just the opposite. No fine-tune work, just going in like a sledgehammer to deliver a mental "punch to the jaw", as it were.


SEAN


She called him James and yet in Xavier's body with all that incredible power and knowledge she couldn't screw up his mind and rip it apart like she did so easily with Beast's. She easily started to rip Beast's mind apart and could not do it when it was just Logan vs her. After the Imperial Guard was put down easily it was just NOva vs Wolverine for probobly a good 15 minutes. She never once ripped apart his mind because she couldn't as he stated. Hence a telepath can not rip apart Wolverine's mind.

I mean seriously. Jean Grey and Xavier trying as hard as they could together could not get past his mental blocks. Together the 2 strongest telepaths on earth. Yes it would be a delicate procedure but if the 2 most powerful telepaths can't do it the who?

[DDM]

3. When Sym tangled with the REAL Logan, not some alternate dimension of Logan he kicked Sym's tail. Also how could Sym break adimantium? Its unbreakable. Not possible. That was a what if the X-men were stuck in limbo and for some reason all laws of logic went out the door. Like adimantium being easily broken.

Read Magik #1-4 (first series) & Uncanny X-Men #160. The mainstream Marvel Universe X-Men escaped Limbo & Illyana did not; whereas, an alternate group of X-Men did not escape limbo & their Illyana did. As a result, Belasco corrupted Nightcrawler. Storm became a sorceress. And Kitty was partially transformed into a cat-like being, called Cat. Cat & Storm mentored Illyana. S'ym did indeed kill the other X-Men, including the alternate Wolverine. The 616 Illyana became Belasco's apprentice when he transformed a part of her soul demonic to conjure the bloodstones. Just because Wolverine was not killed by S'ym does not mean he can't be killed. An alternate Wolverine had died proving Logan is very much mortal & he cannot overcome Limbo since it's a magickal place. Limbo for Wolverine would be more painful given his heighted senses & time folds upon itself. Wolverine would be apt for being killed in Limbo.


7. If Selena could do that, then technically she could take out the entire Marvel Universe. So why has she not done it then? Are you overexaggerating a bit? Plus if she can change all molecules why did she not do that to Rachel and Logan in Uncanny X-men #206-211? :confused:

Wolverine was not out to get Selene. Selene was taken unawares by Phoenix; therefore, she was using all of her power to defend herself against the Starchilde. Selene may or may not be able to effect adamantium due to its unique properties. She also may not have been aware of his adamantium skeleton.

[DoubleShot]

If you are talking about Uncanny X-men Annual #11 then you are sorley mistaken.

I doubt that. I've always thought it was bad even before Marvel came out and said they try not to think about it.

[Foley]

1. It has been said over and over and over again Wolverine is resistate to telapathic attacks. All the stuff that happened in Weapon X has screwed Wolverine's head up and telepaths can't stop him that way. Also see how Cassandra Nova does when Wolverine goes feral. She can't touch him mentally.

2. Here Comes Tomarrow is not a possible future you are right but the storyline counts because of Jean. Just like DOTFP is not a possible storyline but it counts only because of Rachel. Still back to the point. If the last future story you read about Wolverine is set 150 years in the future and he hasn't aged what does that say? DOTFP quickly aged Wolverine so much it was a joke. Cause accordingt to that logic, Logan will be old and crusty in 20 years. I don't think so. Plus look at Wolverine #84. Set years in the future and Logan is as young as ever. According to early X-men issues Wolverine would be old in the future but according to new X-men issues Wolverine's healing factor is retarded so much he doesn't age at all. Also durng Weapon X he was given age supressing drugs just like Creed/Mavrick/Silver Fox/Wraith and Mastadon. So it basically double his already slow age process.

3. When Sym tangled with the REAL Logan, not some alternate dimension of Logan he kicked Sym's tail. Also how could Sym break adimantium? Its unbreakable. Not possible. That was a what if the X-men were stuck in limbo and for some reason all laws of logic went out the door. Like adimantium being easily broken.

4. Magento could not just pull out the metal because he would be moved with it. He has to leech it out or if he tries to pull the metal or he will just pull Wolverine with him. Do you understand?

5. Scarlet Witch is depowered so how could she do anything to Wolverine. Also if you mean the Scarlet Witch of old then her Hex powers could still not do anything to him. If you are talking abut the HOM plot driven Witch, well she is no more. Plus since she can change anything, does she even count? That's like saying, well God could kill Wolverine.:rolleyes:

6. DC and Marvel are in the same universe? When did this happen? Plus the rectoon punch only works in the paridise dimension which is no more. Keep trying though.

7. If Selena could do that, then technically she could take out the entire Marvel Universe. So why has she not done it then? Are you overexaggerating a bit? Plus if she can change all molecules why did she not do that to Rachel and Logan in Uncanny X-men #206-211? :confused:

1. This one depends on the writer.

2. In Here Comes Tomorrow, Cassandra Nova, The Cuckoos, and Beast's Body were all still alive as well. I didn't see any of them taking age suppressing drugs. Does this mean all of them are immortal as well?

3.In a magic universe the rules change. Adamantium also isn't unbreakable. Cable actually has a knife of Omnium Mesh that is more than capable of cutting through adamantium in the Adam X-treme issues. I'm pretty sure Wolverine's Murasma sword would be more than capable of cutting Adamantium as it slices through things on a molecular level.

4. Magneto creates a force bubble to hold Wolverine as he has done to every X-man at one point or another. Magneto pushes iron in blood one way and pulls adamantium and bones the other. POP.

5. Wanda is one of the most powerful mutants alive. Even pre HOM, she detonated Wonder Man with a thought.

6. This was a sarcastic reply to the fact people think Wolverine is immortal. Incredibly resilliant, but he can definately die. He nearly died from a magic based poison during the Asgardian Wars. The X-men had to fight Hela to save his soul.

7. Now you're getting it. :evilsmile A character is only as powerful as the writer writing them. Selene has the ability to change things on the molecular lever. In the correct writer she could do this easily. The same thing is with Daisy Johnson telekinetically detonating Wolverine's heart. If she can do that to him, name one person in the Marvel U that she can't kill if she so chooses. Wolverine's healing factor can be overloaded or drained ala Omega Red. There are so many ways he can die, it just depends on how mortal the writer in question chooses to make him

Citing Morrison's run as evidence Wolvie is indestructable doesn't surprise me. This is the same writer who had Xavier explaining what the Phoenix force was to Jean Grey because she didn't know what it was while they did the Matrix spoon test...:confused:

[Citizen V]

Yeah, he can die. He died in Days of Future Past. Just don't let even a drop of blood remain.

You mean when he was vaporized by the Sentinel?I wonder if such a blast could kill Wolverine in today`s X-Men..or the 90`s for that matter.

[DDM]

7. Now you're getting it. :evilsmile A character is only as powerful as the writer writing them. Selene has the ability to change things on the molecular lever. In the correct writer she could do this easily. The same thing is with Daisy Johnson telekinetically detonating Wolverine's heart. If she can do that to him, name one person in the Marvel U that she can't kill if she so chooses. Wolverine's healing factor can be overloaded or drained ala Omega Red. There are so many ways he can die, it just depends on how mortal the writer in question chooses to make him



Selene is not a true telekinetic. She projects the stolen lifeforce into inanimate objects causing them to disintergrate or manipulate them to her will. She can also do the same with fire. Selene cannot alter matter on a molecular level as a true telekinetic can. Selene is limited to altering matter in inanimate objects. Selene could not tear apart Nimrod, an advanced robot because it is "alive" as shown in Uncanny X-Men #209.

[Foley]

Selene is not a true telekinetic. She projects the stolen lifeforce into inanimate objects causing them to disintergrate or manipulate them to her will. She can also do the same with fire. Selene cannot alter matter on a molecular level as a true telekinetic can. Selene is limited to altering matter in inanimate objects. Selene could not tear apart Nimrod, an advanced robot because it is "alive" as shown in Uncanny X-Men #209.

Thanks for clarifying:p

[Huzzah!]

Everytime wolverine sleeps with a woman he doesnt care about he dies a little inside

[Sean Whitmore]

Everytime wolverine sleeps with a woman he doesnt care about he dies a little inside


Aw, he cares about them all, to varying degrees. Even that chick who gave him the Clap that time.


SEAN

[Huzzah!]

he only cares about that little bit of love he left on their sheets and faces. Thats who he marks their scent

[Foley]

Poor Jubilee...he said he loved her........

[Sean Whitmore]

Poor Jubilee...he said he loved her........


I'm sure he loves parts of her.


SEAN

[doomworm]

Nooooo you don't. Trust me, you really don't.


SEAN
Oh, I so have to disagree with you, Sean. Pretty much everything David R(ousseau?). just wrote is covered in The End. I think you're probably just bored that the X-Men had turned into the bizarre black-clad XSE mutant police guys.

In fact, the whole immortal-and-missing-all-my-friends thing comes into play when he meets his older brother (who has the same problem). It ties into Origin really nicely, and besides the movie, really helped my appreciate Logan as a character for the first time.

[Zombienorthstar]

I'm sure he loves parts of her.


SEAN


Not her mouth im guessing....

So, speaking of the clap...can Logan get STD's? And becaus eof the healing facotr is he like super fertile?

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Read Magik #1-4 (first series) & Uncanny X-Men #160. The mainstream Marvel Universe X-Men escaped Limbo & Illyana did not; whereas, an alternate group of X-Men did not escape limbo & their Illyana did. As a result, Belasco corrupted Nightcrawler. Storm became a sorceress. And Kitty was partially transformed into a cat-like being, called Cat. Cat & Storm mentored Illyana. S'ym did indeed kill the other X-Men, including the alternate Wolverine. The 616 Illyana became Belasco's apprentice when he transformed a part of her soul demonic to conjure the bloodstones. Just because Wolverine was not killed by S'ym does not mean he can't be killed. An alternate Wolverine had died proving Logan is very much mortal & he cannot overcome Limbo since it's a magickal place. Limbo for Wolverine would be more painful given his heighted senses & time folds upon itself. Wolverine would be apt for being killed in Limbo.




Wolverine was not out to get Selene. Selene was taken unawares by Phoenix; therefore, she was using all of her power to defend herself against the Starchilde. Selene may or may not be able to effect adamantium due to its unique properties. She also may not have been aware of his adamantium skeleton.

Ihave both of those issues and like the second very much. Still the Wolverine Sym killed was a warped version of Wolverine. Wolverine's bones are UNBREAKABLE!!! Why do people not understand that. In this possible future Sym was picking his teeth with Wolverine's claws. No possible. Also if everyone is so keen on counting these alternate Wolverine's then by your logic we must count what if stories. Well then according to this Wolverine can kill the entire MU by him lonesome. In a what if issue he kills every hero and villian. So it must mean Wolverine is stronger than everyone by your logic. The alternate Wolverine's that die that ae being mentioned are weak version's of himself. Not what he is or ever will be. Wolverine will not be old and crusty and weak in 20 years ala DOTFP. Wolverine's skin will not become easily breakable in 10 years ala limbo/Belesco storyline.


Again like I said you were overexaggerating with Selena. Selene cannot alter matter on a molecular level as a true telekinetic can. Selene is limited to altering matter in inanimate objects. Selene could not tear apart Nimrod, an advanced robot because it is "alive" as shown in Uncanny X-Men #209. So no go here. Also you have given NO evidence to the contrary. Meaning you must have jsut imagined her powers to better support your post.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

1. This one depends on the writer.

2. In Here Comes Tomorrow, Cassandra Nova, The Cuckoos, and Beast's Body were all still alive as well. I didn't see any of them taking age suppressing drugs. Does this mean all of them are immortal as well?

3.In a magic universe the rules change. Adamantium also isn't unbreakable. Cable actually has a knife of Omnium Mesh that is more than capable of cutting through adamantium in the Adam X-treme issues. I'm pretty sure Wolverine's Murasma sword would be more than capable of cutting Adamantium as it slices through things on a molecular level.

4. Magneto creates a force bubble to hold Wolverine as he has done to every X-man at one point or another. Magneto pushes iron in blood one way and pulls adamantium and bones the other. POP.

5. Wanda is one of the most powerful mutants alive. Even pre HOM, she detonated Wonder Man with a thought.

6. This was a sarcastic reply to the fact people think Wolverine is immortal. Incredibly resilliant, but he can definately die. He nearly died from a magic based poison during the Asgardian Wars. The X-men had to fight Hela to save his soul.

7. Now you're getting it. :evilsmile A character is only as powerful as the writer writing them. Selene has the ability to change things on the molecular lever. In the correct writer she could do this easily. The same thing is with Daisy Johnson telekinetically detonating Wolverine's heart. If she can do that to him, name one person in the Marvel U that she can't kill if she so chooses. Wolverine's healing factor can be overloaded or drained ala Omega Red. There are so many ways he can die, it just depends on how mortal the writer in question chooses to make him

Citing Morrison's run as evidence Wolvie is indestructable doesn't surprise me. This is the same writer who had Xavier explaining what the Phoenix force was to Jean Grey because she didn't know what it was while they did the Matrix spoon test...:confused:


1. True depends on the writer but the majority of writers write towards what I have said. They only change there tone when it needs to fit a particular storyline ala Crap X or as its really named Palnet X with the X-men and Magneot.

2. Beast's body was being kept alive because of Sublime enhanching him. Sublime had been alive since the earth was first formed. Also once Sublime was out of Beast his body started raidly aging. Cassandra Nova's body is not like human bodies explained in X-men. I think she is immortal because Xavier and the X-men basically said there was no way to defeat her. Cause she shouldn't exist in the first place. The Cuckoo's I have no idea why there were alive some 150 years into the future. Got me there. Although it has been stated numerous times that Wolverine was given age supressing drugs in Wolverine vol.1 #60-65. My point is still valid. Wolverine's healing factor slows the aging process considerably as he is over 100 years old. Alsohe was given an age retarding drug which was given to all of Team X. It showed that when given to normal humans like Silver Fox and Mastadon that they would not age for years. Silver Fox was basically the same age when she was in Weapon X i the 1960's. Wolverine meet her again in the 1990's and she hadn't aged a day. Hence a healing factor which considerably slows aging and a drug on top of that would make he possibly be able to be 500 years old before old age started to set in. Meaning until he appeared to be a man in his late 60's, early 70's.

3. Over and over and over it has been stated that Wolverine's skin is unbreakable. Also Cap's shield is two because it has traces of adimantium in it. The only way stated over and over and over again to destory adimantium is to use a molecular rearanger. What issue does this happen in Cable? I want to check it out and see if its just a low grade adimantium like I assume. Also you are guessing at Wolverine's sword. No where has it been stated to be able to cut through adimantium. Until proven, this point is moot.

4. If its so easy why did he not do it in X-men #25. I still don't think its possible but I still don't fully understand you. Please elaborate more.

5. Pre HOM she was never one of the most powerful mutants alive. What are you smoking. She was never considered an Omega level mutant like Jean, Magneto, Xavier and such. Her powers were to alter probability. Wolverine would not be killed by her. Post HOM she is depowered. During HOM doesn't count. Once again because that;s like saying God can kill Wolverine. When you go so absurd, sure anyone can die. Even immortals. When someone can just say, you never were anyone can die. Also according to marvel, Wanda should be the be all, end all to their universe because she is more powerful than anyone. But she is not. Cause her powers were changed to fit a storyline then taken away.

6. Never read this issue. Also the point I am making is since he 1st debuted his healing factor has been increased ten fold. Just like human skin. If I consistantly cut my arm a scar forms and the skin is tougher. Wolverine's heraling factor is taxed to the max, so when he recovers his healing factor is stronger. Also since losing thr adimantium the 1st time his healing factor is on insane levels as stated in Wolverine vol. 1 #90-96.

7. Selena has been show not to have the powers someone said before. Also drugs, agents kicking his drugged butt and Omega Red having there way with him weekened his healing factor but did not kill him. Also he recovered in a few days. Obviously not to major of a threat if in a few days he was better.

8. I state Morrison's run even though I absolutly hated it except for his early issues because it is still in continuity. You may not like it but until someone changes what he said ala Magneto/Xorn its Marvel fact.

[Blackcat]

2. The Cuckoo's I have no idea why there were alive some 150 years into the future. Got me there.
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I think this will perhaps be explaned in Phoenix Warsong which will tell us all about the Cuckoos past. Weren't they also part of the Weapon X-program? Maybe that has to do with it.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

I think this will perhaps be explaned in Phoenix Warsong which will tell us all about the Cuckoos past. Weren't they also part of the Weapon X-program? Maybe that has to do with it.

If they were part of Weapon X then that explains it. Age supressing drugs to keep them young. If not....:confused:

[fishtaco]

Wolverine's bones are UNBREAKABLE!!! Why do people not understand that. .So are you saying that in order for someone to die, their bones have to break?

This thread should've been over in no more than 4 posts. Uncanny X-Men #142 is all the proof that is needed to prove that he can die.

Oh, and he died in Uncanny X-Men #227 too. Literally.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

So are you saying that in order for someone to die, their bones have to break?

This thread should've been over in no more than 4 posts. Uncanny X-Men #142 is all the proof that is needed to prove that he can die.

Oh, and he died in Uncanny X-Men #227 too. Literally.

I NEVER SAID THAT!!! I said decapitation will not work with unbreakbable bones. Its called reading the thread you are commenting in. Wow, what an idea!


Obviously you have not read anyone of the posts about Uncanny X-men #142. IT IS NOT...NOT...NOT ANYTHING BUT A WHAT IF!!!! If you are completly incapable of following a thread and just jumping in and saying what every after it has been cover repeatedly then just go away.:mad:

[10xPete]

So, if Wolverine can die and has, why are there still comic books with him in them. If he dies and then his healing factor brings him back to life, then he didn't die. Death is perminant. If you come back to life you aren't dead. So, if Wolverine is still alive, then currently there is no way to kill him.

Why is this thread so long?

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

So, if Wolverine can die and has, why are there still comic books with him in them. If he dies and then his healing factor brings him back to life, then he didn't die. Death is perminant. If you come back to life you aren't dead. So, if Wolverine is still alive, then currently there is no way to kill him.

Why is this thread so long?


Cause its a very intreging debate. Can he die or not? He hasn't died yet because if he did Marvel would lose so much money its not even funny. More to the point is can anyone kill Wolverine who is not God or has God like powers? Meaning can stop all histroy with but a thought.

[Foley]

1. True depends on the writer but the majority of writers write towards what I have said. They only change there tone when it needs to fit a particular storyline ala Crap X or as its really named Palnet X with the X-men and Magneot.

2. Beast's body was being kept alive because of Sublime enhanching him. Sublime had been alive since the earth was first formed. Also once Sublime was out of Beast his body started raidly aging. Cassandra Nova's body is not like human bodies explained in X-men. I think she is immortal because Xavier and the X-men basically said there was no way to defeat her. Cause she shouldn't exist in the first place. The Cuckoo's I have no idea why there were alive some 150 years into the future. Got me there. Although it has been stated numerous times that Wolverine was given age supressing drugs in Wolverine vol.1 #60-65. My point is still valid. Wolverine's healing factor slows the aging process considerably as he is over 100 years old. Alsohe was given an age retarding drug which was given to all of Team X. It showed that when given to normal humans like Silver Fox and Mastadon that they would not age for years. Silver Fox was basically the same age when she was in Weapon X i the 1960's. Wolverine meet her again in the 1990's and she hadn't aged a day. Hence a healing factor which considerably slows aging and a drug on top of that would make he possibly be able to be 500 years old before old age started to set in. Meaning until he appeared to be a man in his late 60's, early 70's.

3. Over and over and over it has been stated that Wolverine's skin is unbreakable. Also Cap's shield is two because it has traces of adimantium in it. The only way stated over and over and over again to destory adimantium is to use a molecular rearanger. What issue does this happen in Cable? I want to check it out and see if its just a low grade adimantium like I assume. Also you are guessing at Wolverine's sword. No where has it been stated to be able to cut through adimantium. Until proven, this point is moot.

4. If its so easy why did he not do it in X-men #25. I still don't think its possible but I still don't fully understand you. Please elaborate more.

5. Pre HOM she was never one of the most powerful mutants alive. What are you smoking. She was never considered an Omega level mutant like Jean, Magneto, Xavier and such. Her powers were to alter probability. Wolverine would not be killed by her. Post HOM she is depowered. During HOM doesn't count. Once again because that;s like saying God can kill Wolverine. When you go so absurd, sure anyone can die. Even immortals. When someone can just say, you never were anyone can die. Also according to marvel, Wanda should be the be all, end all to their universe because she is more powerful than anyone. But she is not. Cause her powers were changed to fit a storyline then taken away.

6. Never read this issue. Also the point I am making is since he 1st debuted his healing factor has been increased ten fold. Just like human skin. If I consistantly cut my arm a scar forms and the skin is tougher. Wolverine's heraling factor is taxed to the max, so when he recovers his healing factor is stronger. Also since losing thr adimantium the 1st time his healing factor is on insane levels as stated in Wolverine vol. 1 #90-96.

7. Selena has been show not to have the powers someone said before. Also drugs, agents kicking his drugged butt and Omega Red having there way with him weekened his healing factor but did not kill him. Also he rvered in a few days. Obviously not to major of a threat if in a few days he was better.

8. I state Morrison's run even though I absolutly hated it except for his early issues because it is still in continuity. You may not like it but until someone changes what he said ala Magneto/Xorn its Marvel fact.

3. Its in X-Force Annual 2.

4. He could push the iron in his blood one way and pull the skeleton the other. I doubt he did this in X-men 25 because no one believed wolverine could survive the adamantium being leached from him. or, to make this simpler, he could leach the adamantium, turn it into a blade, and decapitate him. of take the adamantium and fill his brain cavity ala deathstrike in X2.

5. Wanda has been shown to be very powerful when in full control of her capabilities. In or around acts of vengeance, when she was dark wanda, she detonated simon williams (wonder man) with the blink of an eye.

7. Substitute Franklin Richards...but you're right, i was wrong about Selene.

8. I just pretend Morrison never happened.:evilsmile

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3. Its in X-Force Annual 2.

4. He could push the iron in his blood one way and pull the skeleton the other. I doubt he did this in X-men 25 because no one believed wolverine could survive the adamantium being leached from him. or, to make this simpler, he could leach the adamantium, turn it into a blade, and decapitate him. of take the adamantium and fill his brain cavity ala deathstrike in X2.

5. Wanda has been shown to be very powerful when in full control of her capabilities. In or around acts of vengeance, when she was dark wanda, she detonated simon williams (wonder man) with the blink of an eye.

7. Substitute Franklin Richards...but you're right, i was wrong about Selene.

8. I just pretend Morrison never happened.:evilsmile


4. Th iron thing might work but not the X2 or sword thing. Cause after he pulled the metal out of WOlverine he all but collapsed. Meaning he had to starin so hard to leech the metal out he was drained of his power and useless. Someone could have killed him with a toothpick.

5. Wanda powerful yes, enough to kill Wolverine no. Also since Simon is energy it would be easier to denonate him. Simon is very suseptible to many attacks. More so than a regular human. That's why she could take him down with ease.

7. Franklin Richards without a doubt could kill anyone. He has God like power so its obvous overkill. Fraklin Richards short of old age and God decreeing it could not die. He is to powerful.

8. I wish we didn;t have to pretend and Morrison just never wrote the X-men.

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4. Th iron thing might work but not the X2 or sword thing. Cause after he pulled the metal out of WOlverine he all but collapsed. Meaning he had to starin so hard to leech the metal out he was drained of his power and useless. Someone could have killed him with a toothpick.

That had something to do with, oh, I dunno, Wolvrine slashing the hell out of him right before Magneto ripped the adamantium out. Loss of blood via a Wolverine gut slash can make someone almost pass out, not even counting it happening right before Magneto leached all the metal out of his body. You convieniently left that part out.

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That had something to do with, oh, I dunno, Wolvrine slashing the hell out of him right before Magneto ripped the adamantium out. Loss of blood via a Wolverine gut slash can make someone almost pass out, not even counting it happening right before Magneto leached all the metal out of his body. You convieniently left that part out.

He did slash him but if sever blood loss happened that quickly he would be dead by the time Peter cared for him plain and simple. Yes Wolverine slashed him up good but the amount of will and power it took to 1. turn the indsructable metal to lipid and then 2. leech it through every pour caused him to basically pass out from exhaustion. He had never tried anything like that before and it was a great test of his powers. He was falling over after he pulled out the metal and just ready to fall over.

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You can NOT decapitate him because of the adimantium bones. Get rid of the metal bones then we can talk. If not, without a molecular rearanger its impossible because in 616 adimantium is UNBREAKABLE!!!

Of course you can. The small bones in the neck and spine are not made up from one big long bone they are made up from small bones that have t