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MazingMan728

05-23-2006, 08:38 AM

For those interested in the FF story that Joey Q so publicly made know would be the Death of the Invisible Woman here are some spoilers for you...
Basically Sue Richards does die. Dead, dead, dead, by some creature from another dimension that comes out of a portal from a piece of equipment that falls out of a closet in Reed’s lab. Johnny being the one that opened the closed and with his sister being dead feels bad and goes back in time by an hour using the time platform. Knocks “himself” out and takes that time place and stops himself from opening up the closet so as to avoid the creature from coming to this dimension. Ben actually opens the door this time and Johnny melts the equipment. The Johnny from that time wakes up and confronts him. Our Johnny says he came back in time to fix something that he did. The time platform returns for Johnny who goes back to his own time. Reed them tells everybody that you can’t change the past so his mistake still happened in his time and the Fantastic Four are all seen standing together. So Sue died and was saved. The solicitation read “The Invisible Woman is dead! AS Reed cradles his murdered wife lost in grief…” Murdered? Not even she was shot with an energy beam from some squid looking creature, she wasn’t murdered. At the very least she could have gotten hit from a blast from Blastar if something from another dimension was going to shoot her. The whole story felt like some crap ass episode from one of the early FF cartoons. This was a bad, BAD book where your money can be spent on something better at you local store. Don’t deny your store a sale just spend your $3.99 on something much better like Daredevil.

Now let the discussions begin.

fireball87o

05-23-2006, 08:45 AM

The whole story felt like some crap ass episode from one of the early FF cartoons. This was a bad, BAD book where your money can be spent on something better at you local store.

When I read the spoiler there ^ that's all i was thinking...like some bad idea for one of the cartoon episodes that gets tossed around in the preliminary board room discussions, but no one really takes serious & kinda leaves it on the back burner as an emergency storyline. sounds like a tasteless issue :eek:

hoffmandu

05-23-2006, 09:28 AM

Um.....mmmm......so is she still dead?

Expletive Deleted

05-23-2006, 09:29 AM

Discussion of new books starts on Wednesdays.

I'll reopen this tomorrow.

Expletive Deleted

05-24-2006, 06:45 AM

And . . . here we are.

drwho

05-24-2006, 07:55 AM

Oy vey , we all know this one aint gonna stick.

twilight

05-24-2006, 11:11 AM

So a magic space squid came out a closet and killed her?

Good writing there Marvel.

drwho

05-24-2006, 12:37 PM

I ordered this issue I hope it at least reads better then it sounds. Kind of lame saying this is an in continuity book since it sounds like it isn't. Just wonder whose bright idea this was that felt the story had to be told.

DDM

05-24-2006, 12:45 PM

The book sounds like a shock value stunt. Good going Marvel. Next, Sue Storm will be with the Skrulls.

DDM

05-24-2006, 12:46 PM

Um.....mmmm......so is she still dead?

Susan Storm is about a dead as Jean Grey & Simon Williams.

Michael P

05-24-2006, 12:50 PM

Um.....mmmm......so is she still dead?
From what I read above, it looks like "our" Sue is alive, and it's the Sue from another timeline who died.

Joe Rice

05-24-2006, 12:52 PM

Hooray superheroes!

drwho

05-24-2006, 12:59 PM

From what I read above, it looks like "our" Sue is alive, and it's the Sue from another timeline who died.

Yeah right a nice pointless retcon in the same book its introduced in. At least theyre learning to clear up these messes quicker.

riotgear

05-24-2006, 02:11 PM

Um.....mmmm......so is she still dead?

So we are now in a divergent universe, no longer in 616. That is the rules that Marvel set up in the past. She died in the 616 universe, and when Johnny stopped her from being killed, it creates a divergence in the timestream, creating an all-new reality.

StarsAndGarters

05-24-2006, 03:33 PM

Yyyup. Not picking that up.

lament

05-24-2006, 03:56 PM

I'm picking this up in a few days. I didn't really think they were going to permanently kill off a member of the FF, so the whole time/reality thing doesn't bother me. *shrug*

Vegetarian Goat

05-24-2006, 04:01 PM

i read it, and it doesn't appear to me that they ever intended to kill off sue. It was just an unfortunately over-hyped story. I thought it was an alright story, for what it was. It was clearly never meant to change anything.....

drwho

05-24-2006, 04:52 PM

So we are now in a divergent universe, no longer in 616. That is the rules that Marvel set up in the past. She died in the 616 universe, and when Johnny stopped her from being killed, it creates a divergence in the timestream, creating an all-new reality.

Who is to say the universe Sue died in was 616? Does it specifically say that?Maybe it was another one before the 616. Really don't see why it matters.

scratchie

05-24-2006, 06:11 PM

The point of the story wasn't actually to kill off Sue Richards, but to show a little bit of the family dynamics among the FF. It did that really well, and the scenes with Johnny and Sue were enjoyable and well done.

The SF/time travel aspect wasn't noticeably more cheesy or unbelieveable than any other issue of Fantastic Four I can recall.

drwho

05-24-2006, 06:19 PM

Tancread

05-24-2006, 06:29 PM

Was it at least a good read?

No. I knew the plot wouldn't stick but hoped for a good story and didn't get it. The reprints were good though. Still a big let down for me as a FF fan.

The Foreigner

05-24-2006, 10:38 PM

Yeah right a nice pointless retcon in the same book its introduced in. At least theyre learning to clear up these messes quicker.

*sigh*

That is not a retcon. Look up the definition. :rolleyes:

overcomebyfumes

05-25-2006, 12:46 AM

I feel cheated.

and a little dirty for some reason. I think I need a shower.

ugh.

Lanowar

05-25-2006, 03:48 AM

It was pretty awful one of the worst FF stories ever! IGN gave it a pass it also a little gem of advice I would give to anyone tempted to buy this, just don't it's not worth it. I don't even a big fan of the artwork it all seems well crap, not even worth looking at.

Crimson

05-25-2006, 04:30 AM

So we are now in a divergent universe, no longer in 616. That is the rules that Marvel set up in the past. She died in the 616 universe, and when Johnny stopped her from being killed, it creates a divergence in the timestream, creating an all-new reality.

Nah its still 616.

The same thing happened in Marvel Team Up a few months back but it doesn't change the main timeline number... even though it should

hoffmandu

05-25-2006, 09:17 AM

Really starting to feel cheated over here regarding the last few issues of FF. No wonder the book doesn't sell for ****. New FF- Namor, quicksilver, Crystal, Torch.

Kevinroc

05-26-2006, 01:53 PM

Some people are really bitter. The story was certainly over-hyped but that's because it appeared that people ACTUALLY believed that Sue would stay dead (especially when future FF covers feature her).

I thought it was a very cute, old-fashioned FF story. It mostly focused on how much Johnny actually cares for his sister.

littleredhat

05-26-2006, 02:08 PM

Hi I'm the new girl.:)

I concur. It would have made an okay regular issue of the marvel age version. But I don't think they should have made such a big deal.

Jack Roberts

05-27-2006, 01:20 AM

Basically, this was a little stunt aimed at retailers who probably, and rightly so, follow the card game trends a lot closer than the comic ones. It'll probably place high on the sales charts, but you'll find plenty of copies half off in back issue bins for years down the line. It reminds me of the stunt pulled in Ultimate Fantastic Four with the "616" Reed only marketed a lot better.

TommyV

05-27-2006, 06:41 AM

Yeah, this was a cheap stunt - especially with the 2nd half of the book being a reprint. It was a cute Silver-Age type of story, but it by no means warranted beaing a special "event" book. It's completely inconsequential, and not worth the expectation or the $. If this had been a done-in-one filler story in Fantastic Four Adventures or something, it would've been recieved well - presented in this format, though, it screams "cheap gimmick" and is an insult to loyal readers.

Edward J Cunningham

05-27-2006, 07:33 AM

No wonder the book doesn't sell for ****. New FF- Namor, quicksilver, Crystal [EMPHASIS MINE], Torch.

Well, actually I think you have ONE-FOURTH of the team right! (Look at my signature for the other members...)

Eddie Cunningham

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/eddiejc1/New_Fem_Four.gif (http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/femfour/)

Edward J Cunningham

05-27-2006, 07:36 AM

Just out of curiosity---Quesada said that TWO FFers died in this issue. Does that mean we are supposed to believe Johnny was fatally injured before returning to his own timestream?

Eddie Cunningham

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/eddiejc1/New_Fem_Four_2.gif (http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/femfour/)

Rollo_Tomasi

05-28-2006, 01:12 PM

i really felt like I could have spent my money elsewhere after reading this issue.

Giganto

05-28-2006, 03:33 PM

I could eat alphabet soup and crap a better story than this one.

Castaway

05-28-2006, 06:29 PM

This was without a doubt the biggest waste of money I have "invested" in a comic book in a long time... the point of this was what? To reprint a completely unnecessary and unreleted (though well-done) Byrne story?

I feel like such a sucker for buying this!

jadegiant77

05-29-2006, 07:24 PM

Bad story, not worth buying(i didn't). Not a good time for the FF. Johnny Storm, a former herald of Galactus, who fought the Juggernaut, got his ass handed to him by a crowd of normals(um..can't he turn into fire or something?), and Sue gets killed and brought back or whateverrr.

darkhawk76

05-30-2006, 02:35 AM

hmm I thought the story was OK, but it certainly didn't warrant the hype it had beforehand.

I was a bit confused as to how this would all play with Civil War stuff - it turns out not a lot :evilangry

it probably would have been a good 2-3 part story in the main comic, but even then it would have been average

I can't believe I spent money on it, at least the Franklin backup was nice (already had the Byrne stuff from a trade)

The Shadow

05-30-2006, 06:10 AM

I normally avoid spoilers. I HATE knowing what happens before I get my comic... I like to read it and enjoy it on wednesday evening after a long day at work.

That being said this is one of those times I wish I had read a spoiler thread... because I would have saved myself some money!!

The story was alright... but not worth the price of the issue. I already have the Byrne issue that was reprinted and the Franklin story was cute, but not enough to make up the difference.

I do like Lee Weeks's art... which was, IMO, the best part.

Steppenwolf

05-31-2006, 01:12 AM

I say this as someone who loves the FF and loves cutesy silver age "fluff" stories. This was an awful waste of money. Marvel took their proclivity for shameless hype to a whole new low here.

Rich L

05-31-2006, 01:27 AM

Sooo...I guess I'm on my own as seeing this as a fun little book with some nice character work on Johnny then?

I agree it was overhyped, but I don't think it deserves the hammering it seems to be getting here. Kesel knows the FF inside out, and Weeks' art is great.

Sure, it's not turning up on anyone's top 100 list, but it shows more of the FF's character and friendship than anything in JMS' run has.

drwho

06-01-2006, 01:45 PM

After reading the book I have to say I am glad I bought it. This was a well written book which delved into the relationship between Johnny and Sue. Plus kesel is always great. If yall think this was a bad book maybe yall should go back to reading X-Men. Its nice to see a nice family emphasis story for a change and it didn't take them fighting some ubervillain. I give this book an 8 out of 10.

DoctorDoom

06-02-2006, 05:22 PM

KittyPryde

06-02-2006, 07:04 PM

Whew....glad I dodged that bullet. I skipped it on the pre-orders and was debating hunting it down if it was any good. I'll gladly spend the money on something else now. Thanks for the confirmation on how bad it was.

firestarfan

06-02-2006, 07:22 PM

Hi I'm the new girl.:)

I concur. It would have made an okay regular issue of the marvel age version. But I don't think they should have made such a big deal.

I'm with you. This belonged in Marvel Age.

Either that, or 1966.

DDM

06-03-2006, 09:16 AM

I will reply as intelligently as I can to this..book

Absolute ****.

They hyped this as an 'event book"? Joey Q, you smug bastard. Count yourself lucky i am enjoying Civil War.....

Thus Declares Doom.

As a general rule--anything Quesada hypes at all--is suspect. If Quesada hypes it, avoid the book like the plague.

DoctorDoom

06-03-2006, 02:19 PM

As a general rule--anything Quesada hypes at all--is suspect. If Quesada hypes it, avoid the book like the plague.
I see your point.

Thus declares Doom....DDM shall be the Council of Latveria!

shadowkitty

06-04-2006, 11:55 PM

wow. Thanks for the heads up. I tend to read some spoilers, not to many. I am sure glad I read htis one. This seems like a bar-bag issue...with nothing to do with the civil war sotryline.

Any bets as to when she'll be back? In 5 issues?

Tancread

06-05-2006, 04:58 AM

Any bets as to when she'll be back? In 5 issues?

Quicker than that, was back by the end of the issue. Again, story was pretty blah.

ChrisIII

06-05-2006, 06:50 AM

Most of the FF minis and maxis are pretty disposable (With some exceptions, such as Fantastic Four 1234, some of the Thing stuff etc.)

jackolover

11-04-2007, 07:56 PM

I wonder if anybody will reference this story of Death in the Family by Karl Kesel? It shows the extent that Johnny would go to save his sisters life, as against Peter Parker, who just runs out of ideas when it comes to saving his Aunts life. This story gives a rationally plausable solution to, if a superhero is killed in action, and has loved ones near by. Johnnys panicked solution is 2 fold. It shows the lengths to which he will go to make something go away. And, it adds the dimensional concept, of all action has an equal an opposite reaction, so that if Johnny changed historys timeline, then something has got to give. Is the Civil War, WWH, and Silent War, and Secret Invasion the result of bringing Sue back to life? There is the indication that the Skrulls are behind all of these plagues on the MU, but could it be because Johnny changed the timeline, so Sue would live, but now we are paying for that shift?

Sabaition

11-04-2007, 11:02 PM

Oh course she'll die.. WHY NOT??? Reed died.. Oh wait he was sent into the past for like a year. BEN DIED... For all of 3 issues, then god AKA Jack Kirby brought him back, LAME. Yet ironic because the Thing was Kirby's alter ego.

So why not Susan... Johnny will ge killed by some thimb size water sprit, OH THE IRONY, FANS WILL LOVE IT. NOT!!!

So help me i could give these guys better story idea's...

jackolover

11-05-2007, 02:09 AM

If Karl Kesels storyline is, in fact, accepted, and the Human Torch of this altered timeline has got the benefit of having his sister around, then the current Civil War, (containing a Sue Richards), is the altered timeline. Initiative, WWH, and soon, Secret Invasion, will all be a part of the Johnny Storm interference in his sisters death.

Then, the unaltered universe, that the original Johnny returns too, will have seen the death of Sue Richards, and that, there, is another universe story possibility that hasn't been explored yet.

Sabaition

11-05-2007, 10:15 AM