Da X-Men Code

[fireball87o]

Anyone care to discuss what mysteries, abnormalities, incongruities & loose plotlines are left dangling in the X-verse?

[fireball87o]

No one?? Really? Com'on!

How about the dissappearance of Dazzler & Longshot's baby (who we can only assume was/is a time-displaced different body-inhabiting Shatterstar persona)??

We're led to believe the baby was *lost*, but what's that mean? A story could be written where Mojo or Spiral could've kidnapped the kid. Even if they didn't go there, some closure on the uncomfirmed & hazy details of the baby would be nice.


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[gloveman]

okay- I'll bite- just for you. :D

I haven't actually read many comics with Dazzler but I did a read up on wikipedia and it said she had a miscarriage. Is this some sort of oversimplification?

And if it's still in the cards- didn't Claremont say he'd deal with Dazzler later on in the run on New Excalibur?

What I'd like to know (although it'd never be answered) would be why Gambit forsaw the Brotherhood in the 'Heroes and Villains' arc back in Austen's run when he was blind.

[fireball87o]

okay- I'll bite- just for you. :D


gee golly gosh thanks :)
I haven't actually read many comics with Dazzler but I did a read up on wikipedia and it said she had a miscarriage. Is this some sort of oversimplification?

And if it's still in the cards- didn't Claremont say he'd deal with Dazzler later on in the run on New Excalibur?
It wasn't stated what happened & CC did mention something about dealing with Dazzler, but what he origninally planned for the book had to be changed with Whedon's use of Hellfire. I picked up the first few issues of this book & would continue (since I like the cast) if it wasn't so stale & D.O.A.

What I'd like to know (although it'd never be answered) would be why Gambit forsaw the Brotherhood in the 'Heroes and Villains' arc back in Austen's run when he was blind.
It'll probably be edited to say Gambit has latent short range semi-functional precog/telepathy powers or something similar along those lines :rolleyes:

[fireball87o]

What I never really got about the MU was that the superpowered Avengers & FF are praised with the X-Men are feared & hated.

I got to thinking this when this poster sparked some interest:
I mean how many times do the X-men have to save the world in order for people to at least give mutants a chance. Apparently the number is indefinite. Meanwhile, people have praised other heroes like the FF and the Avengers (well, at least until the Civil War). Sure, its great if you attained your powers through outside means, but if you're born with powers, that's a big no-no.

[gloveman]

It'll probably be edited to say Gambit has latent short range semi-functional precog/telepathy powers or something similar along those lines :rolleyes:

Heh- sounds about right. I had a theory that it was Carter giving Remy a vision.

I've often wondered about why the FF and Avengers are praised. Maybe it's the mystique that surrounds the X-men- the FF and the Avengers are public and have press conferences etc and could be associated with celebrities. Where as the X-men (not incl Whedon's Astonishing) are associated with 'genetic monstrosities' living among us.

So when the X-men stop a super villain it inspires fear of mutants being among us whereas if the Avengers stop a villain they're peeps who live in a tower/mansion.

Doesn't totally fit though. We'll see how we end up at the end of Civil War.

[The Lucky One]

What I never really got about the MU was that the superpowered Avengers & FF are praised with the X-Men are feared & hated.

Yeah... no offense, fireball, but we've discussed this issue here like a billion times. Basically what it comes down to is PR, as well as the knowledge that the Avengers and FF are mostly people who got lucky and just happened into their powers; mutants are actually the species that's going to replace yours, and that's scary. Hence, fear = hate = suffering.

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[algertman]

edit---nevemind, it got answered

Also, WOlverine can showup everywhere cause there a mutiple Wolverines. Wolverine is actually a Skrull Black Ops thing, which is related to the Super Skrull Program. They have all these Wolverines going around at the same time to set up for some big invasion. Wolverine has been collecting info on all the superpowers for years, so the Skrulls will know whow to combat everyone with powers. When the time is right the Skrulls will show up and take over the world.

[fishtaco]

Howzabout that picture of Wolverine and Rose Wu with the Bladerunner city in the background in Uncanny X-Men #257. I've always wondered what Claremont had planned for Landau, Luckman & Lake.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

If you read giant size x-men #1 backwards theres a hidden message!!!

[fireball87o]

If you read giant size x-men #1 backwards theres a hidden message!!!
really?? :confused:

Basically what it comes down to is PR, as well as the knowledge that the Avengers and FF are mostly people who got lucky and just happened into their powers; mutants are actually the species that's going to replace yours, and that's scary. Hence, fear = hate = suffering.

I figured the issue's been discussed, & I didn't make the post to just talk about it, but rather dangling plots or abnormalities in general (so Fishtaco if you want to bring any up to talk about now's the time)

BUTI guess the theory The Lucky One provided makes sense if people think mutants are here to replace the human species, but the Avengers & the X-Men don't seem all that different. They're both people with "dangerous" powers. But alas, again, in a world where image & how you're seen is everything and the fact the X-Men don't do the press conference PR route & remain a mutant mystery--keyword: mutant--I can see where the hate is coming from in the MU citizens. Though not all humans hate mutants & I'd like to see some more of these people--may be an issue where a human applies to work at the X-Mansion...chef, secretary, housekeep, whatever you know they need people there to look after the place!



& the ubiquitous Wolverine obviously has a cloning system :rolleyes:

[Mariah]

If you read giant size x-men #1 backwards theres a hidden message!!!
lol, yah, like 4 dead x-men we never saw. Although, I wish they would have just made them new mutants that join the x-men down the road.

[Zombienorthstar]

is carter still powered? If so...he shoudl totally be Mesmeros son...maybe why annie hates mutants.

[fireball87o]

is carter still powered? If so...he shoudl totally be Mesmeros son...maybe why annie hates mutants.
Wikipedia says he's likely depowered, but why do you say Mesmero? What was the deal with Carter...I remember he seemed like the kid from the Omen at times??

[RoguefanAM]

If I remember correctly...there was a part in the X-Treme X-Men arc 'Prisoner of Fire' were Bogan (Who was in control of Rachel's Body at the time) wasn't able to read Rogue's mind, at the time Rogue was powerless so there shouldn't of been any reason Bogan couldn't read her mind. I think CC was going to follow up on it but sadly X-Treme got cancled and there was never any explaination given.

[fireball87o]

If I remember correctly...there was a part in the X-Treme X-Men arc 'Prisoner of Fire' were Bogan (Who was in control of Rachel's Body at the time) wasn't able to read Rogue's mind, at the time Rogue was powerless so there shouldn't of been any reason Bogan couldn't read her mind. I think CC was going to follow up on it but sadly X-Treme got cancled and there was never any explaination given.
It's because with or w/o powers Rogue has a range of personalities up in that brain of hers, which prevent most forms of mindtapping

[RoguefanAM]

It's because with or w/o powers Rogue has a range of personalities up in that brain of hers, which prevent most forms of mindtapping

I don't think that's true. If she loses her power's she should lose everything, including the personalities in her mind. The only way the personalities stay attached to her mind is because of her powers, if she lost them then the personalities are wiped clean as well. That's just my opinion.

[fireball87o]

I don't think that's true. If she loses her power's she should lose everything, including the personalities in her mind. The only way the personalities stay attached to her mind is because of her powers, if she lost them then the personalities are wiped clean as well. That's just my opinion.
I was under the impression it was a permanent thing, but may not. May be without her powers the other physce's would be gone, but wasn't Rogue powerless right before she went to the Savage Land (& hooked up with Magneto) & she still had Carol Danvers in her head??

[Doom Hammer]

Howzabout that picture of Wolverine and Rose Wu with the Bladerunner city in the background in Uncanny X-Men #257. I've always wondered what Claremont had planned for Landau, Luckman & Lake.

They were actually a MAJOR part of the first 23 issues of Deadpool's solo in the 90s. Something to check out, maybe.

I swear, I've noted down hundreds of danglers from 1963-1991 and have made theories for almost all of them.

Aww, I thought it was thousands!:( :p

List them.

[fishtaco]

They were actually a MAJOR part of the first 23 issues of Deadpool's solo in the 90s. Something to check out, maybe.



Aww, I thought it was thousands!:( :p

List them.Hard for me to think of them right now...

Debt between Gambit and Lian Shen (Uncanny X-Men #267) (Jim Lee's plot).
Storm's mystical powers (Magik #'s 1-4, Uncanny X-Men 139, 160, 187-188, 190-191, 193, 226, 242.......)
Wolverine recognized Archangel's scent in Uncanny X-Men #242 (originally, Barry Windsor-Smith intended for Apocalypse to be behind the Weapon X program).
Dark Wolverine Saga (Alpha Flight (1st Series) 33-34, Uncanny X-Men 205, 229, 248, 251-253, 257-258, 261, 268, 273-275, Annual 14)
Rogue's promise to liberate Gateway (Uncanny X-Men #269, X-Treme X-Men Annual 2001).
Wild Boys (not Upstarts) (Uncanny X-Men #268), Matsuo Tsuryaba Fenris, Shinobi Shaw, Trevor Fitzroy, ?Selene?
Banshee and Forge team-up lead towards DOFP?
Blue? Blaze (New Mutants (1st Series) Annual 6)
Sunspot/Mirage romance
Kelly for president, Shaw/Shadow King pulling strings (Uncanny X-Men 135, 141-142, 158, 181, 246-247, recycled by CC Dreams End)
Russian mutant team by Vahzin (X-Men Classics 29, Uncanny X-Men 122-123, 194, 262-264, 384)
Kid Colossus (Uncanny X-Men 114, 249-250, Annual 12, X-Men Classics...22?)
Rachel's parents: Jean and Phoenix Force (Excalibur (1st Series) 4, Uncanny X-Men Annual 14)
Rachel's father: Wolverine? (or not) (Uncanny X-Men 384, 450, Annual 12, Excalibur (1st Series) 4, ending of Dark Wolverine Saga)
Selene machinations in Brazil (New Mutants (1st Series) 75)
Dinosaur evolution due to restoration of Savage Land (Uncanny X-Men Annual 12, then to Uncanny X-Men 275, recycled in Uncanny X-Men 455-459)
Magneto vs Shadow King (Uncanny X-Men 275, various issues of New Mutants?)
Shadow King: Master of Minds (Uncanny X-Men 266, ??Uncanny X-Men 122-134, 169-175??)
Gambit traitor/Gambit/Sinister (Uncanny X-Men 266-267, 270-278, Annual 14, Classic X-Men 42)
Bloodsport: Asgardian? (Wolverine (2nd Series) 4)
Mutants used as commodities (don't get me started)
Rogue: Shadow King pawn to destroy X-Men from within; tied with Ms. Marvel vs Hellfire vs BOEM
Destiny's last vision before her death (Uncanny X-Men 255, Uncanny X-Men 473???????)
Mary McKenna (Uncanny X-Men 455)
Viper/Silver Samurai: Shadow King crystal stolen from AIM and Secret Empire (New Mutants (1st Series) 5-6, 53, connected with Viper joining Hellfire Club?)
Shadow King tipped off Fenris in Uncanny X-Men 261?
Mastermind met Shadow King in Captain America (1st Series) 172-175?

more later...

[Montopolis]

Thats it?? you said hundreds

[fireball87o]

Hard for me to think of them right now...

Shadow King tipped off Fenris in Uncanny X-Men 261?
later...
Just picked one of them for starters. Wasn't the Shadow King partially behind the Upstarts (via Gamemaster)...so it would make sense for him to work with/help/enable Fenris to cause destruction.

Now that I'm thinking about it though, 261 was before the whole Upstarts thing...well I'd just rule this one out as the King worked with these two to help cause destruction...because that's what he likes destruction! He knew tipping these two off would help him harm others.

[fishtaco]

Thats it?? you said hundredsWhat, you think I'm going to sit here and type up the whole thing in one session?Just picked one of them for starters. Wasn't the Shadow King partially behind the Upstarts (via Gamemaster)...so it would make sense for him to work with/help/enable Fenris to cause destruction.

Now that I'm thinking about it though, 261 was before the whole Upstarts thing...well I'd just rule this one out as the King worked with these two to help cause destruction...because that's what he likes destruction! He knew tipping these two off would help him harm others.You are kinda on the right track. The Upstarts was really a Claremont plot in which the Gamesmaster didn't even exist (a Whilce Portacio creation that is essential only to the Upstarts. Note how Gamesmaster didn't appear till 283). Claremont established in X-Men: True Friends 1-3 that the Shadow King has sinked his hooks into the 3rd Reich (also see Uncanny X-Men #161, where Strucker was corrupted by Xavier's crystal that held the Shadow King within. This is the same crystal that Viper and Silver Samurai tried to steal from AIM in New Mutants (1st Series) 5-7), and therefore Baron Strucker, and through him, his children. Also see Uncanny X-Men #200. Note how Fenris meets with Mats'uo Tsuryaba in Uncanny X-Men 268 to form an alliance, and start up the Wild Boys. As the status quo moved closer and closer to the Days of Future Past, the Hellfire Club started to become irrelevent because the Shadow King couldn't get much out of exploiting it any longer. Note how a Wild Boy member Fabian Cortez tried to kill Magneto, a member of the Inner Circle (Grey King) in X-Men (2nd Series) 1-3. Note how Trevor Fitzroy tried to kill Inner Circle member Emma Frost (White Queen) and former member Donald Pierce (White Rook) in Uncanny X-Men 281. Other members included Shinobi Shaw (who killed former black king Sebastian Shaw in X-Factor 67).

Harras and Portacio diluted the plot and created the Upstarts, and Scott Lobdell only made them lamer during his run on the book. Meanwhile, Jim Lee took Claremont's ideas of mutant commodities and a Russian controlled mutant team (ie Omega Red) and mixed it with Mats'uo Tsuryaba to create what we saw in X-men (2nd Series) 5-7.

I just caught something I hadn't seen before in Uncanny X-Men #200. Not epic level or anything, but...was Claremont planning for Kitty to get glasses, despite her not wanting to?

[StoneGold]

Cyclops is possibly Reed Richards' grandfather, which means that in Days of Future's past, Franklin and Rachel were comitting incest.

In the 90s, Tom DeFalco was dropping hints that Nathan Richards was a future version of Cable. No guff.

[fishtaco]

In the 90s, Tom DeFalco was dropping hints that Nathan Richards was a future version of Cable. No guff.I remember that. I wish DeFalco and Harras would have just let Liefeld do what he wanted.

Anyone remember that computer the X-Men had in the Outback that was acting funny?

And then there was that Donald Pierce/Lady Deathstryke fling in Uncanny X-Men #253...

...and that Sunspot/Mirage romance in the early issues of New Mutants. Not sure what happened to that one.