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Storm Shadow

05-20-2004, 10:00 PM

Wow. Thanks for recovering this thread Fenix, I thought it was lost forever.

As to Pennyghost's question about GLs being unlucky in love, here's the rundown:

ALAN SCOTT: Fought/flirted with a female criminal named Harlequin who was secretly his own secretary, Molly Mayne. She eventually revealed her alter ego to him over forty years afterwards. Molly & Alan finally married and Molly has since sold her soul to Hell in order to preserve her youth like Alan had, forcing Alan to fight his way through the Underworld in order to retrieve it.

Alan also had a tragic first marriage to the original Rose & Thorn, who faked her own death and hid his children from him. When Alan, Rose and their twin children were finally reunited decades later, Rose committed suicide in front of them. Their son, Obsidian, inheirated his mother's mental problems and nearly killed both his father and sister on multiple occasions.

HAL JORDAN: Like Alan, Hal fought/flirted with a super-villainess named Star Sapphire who was secretly his own boss, Carol Ferris. On the day Hal was about to propose to Carol, she dumped him and got engaged to another man.

Heartbroken, Hal wandered the country, going from job to job and woman to woman. Amongst his various failed relationships were to Eve Dormeus, Olivia Reynolds (who later switched sides to become a lesbian), Dorine Clay (who turned out to be exiled space princess) and Rose Hardin (who later became John's girlfriend).

In the GLCorps, Hal locked lips on a several occasions with both Katma Tui and jailbait hottie Arisia. Both Katma Tui and Arisia were brutally murdered.

After quiting the Corps for her, Carol was stalked, kidnapped and possessed by The Predator, who warped Star Sapphire into a murderous psychopath obsessed with making Hal suffer. Hal spent the remainder of his life dealing with this relationship, although he did have a few brief flings with Power Girl and a couple others.

I'll get to John, Guy and Kyle later today....
Come on, when Hal was locking lips with Arisia she could hardly be considered jail bait, she used her ring to mature herself into her twenties both mentally and physically because she was in love with Hal, he kept her at friends and nothing more for years before this happened

Pennyghost

05-20-2004, 10:26 PM

Thank you Bored. It's very much appreciated :)

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05-20-2004, 11:23 PM

Come on, when Hal was locking lips with Arisia she could hardly be considered jail bait, she used her ring to mature herself into her twenties both mentally and physically because she was in love with Hal, he kept her at friends and nothing more for years before this happened

Yes, Hal never pursued a sexual relationship with Arisia when she was underage, but they most certainly locked lips a few different times, like during the Qward War and the Krona/Nekron War. She was hopelessly, head over heels in love with him from her very first appearance, *years* before she aged herself to the age of consent.

Despite protestations to the contrary from both factions, Hal was never this stale, boring, white bread, too perfect hero without any imperfections. There were a lot of morally ambiguous qualities to his personality that rarely got explored--even before pointless and contradictory elements like Preist's drunk driving retcon were grafted onto his history.

Green_Lantern37

06-01-2004, 12:49 AM

Hey, what's everyone's thoughts on the new Rebirth storyline coming up with the return of Hal Jordan? I nearly fell over when I read that they were bringing him back. I am a little worried though, because I'm a pretty big Kyle Rayner fan and from what I hear, It sounds like they might be writing him out of the Corps (or what's left of it) and replacing him with Hal. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally jazzed with the idea of Hal returning, I just hope they give Kyle his own series. Wizard just ran a poll on the readers' favorite Lanterns and Hal got 45%, Kyle got 41% and John Stewart got 14%. So there's definitely demand for both. What does everyone else think?

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06-01-2004, 08:48 AM

spike1205

06-01-2004, 03:14 PM

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06-02-2004, 03:16 AM

i just dont by that predator argument on hal--or lord malvolio or anyone taking control of him--if that was the case then why would he have needed to become the spectre to atone for his sins--they would not be his sins--
i think that would just be a lame way to write it off and would stifle the need/good story possibilities of hal's continual redemption when he is brought back to life

If someone manipulates me into committing murder, I am still a murderer and I'd still need redemption for the crimes I have committed. All the Predator/Lord Malvolio/Krona "outs" offer is an explaination why Hal would suddenly and inexplicably start killing and maiming his friends for no particular reason.

His reason for going nuts was his obsession with resurrecting Coast City. Murdering Kilowog and chopping off Broodika's hand don't really forward that goal in any way, shape or form. Since Hal never displayed any hint of that degree of sadism or homocidal rage, it doesn't really make any sense for him to suddenly display them now, regardless of his mental state.

spike1205

06-02-2004, 07:59 AM

If someone manipulates me into committing murder, I am still a murderer and I'd still need redemption for the crimes I have committed. All the Predator/Lord Malvolio/Krona "outs" offer is an explaination why Hal would suddenly and inexplicably start killing and maiming his friends for no particular reason.

His reason for going nuts was his obsession with resurrecting Coast City. Murdering Kilowog and chopping off Broodika's hand don't really forward that goal in any way, shape or form. Since Hal never displayed any hint of that degree of sadism or homocidal rage, it doesn't really make any sense for him to suddenly display them now, regardless of his mental state.

actually its not murder it would be manslaugher (at very worst) since there was no intent or even reckless or gross negligent homicide. so i stand by what i said--no real need for redemption

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06-03-2004, 03:14 AM

actually its not murder it would be manslaugher (at very worst) since there was no intent or even reckless or gross negligent homicide. so i stand by what i said--no real need for redemption

Well, its been established in The Spectre, Green Arrow and elsewhere that Heaven and Hell are primarily creations of the minds of those who inhabit them. So when a Christian dies, they would go to their idea of Heaven or Hell. Similarly, a Hindu or Muslim would go to their own personal ideas of the Afterlife. An atheist like Mister Terrific would presumably cease to exist completely.

Since Hal held himself responsible for the deaths he caused as Parallax, he sent himself to Purgatory because he didn't feel that he was worthy of either Heaven or Hell. Its not so much whether Hal is legally or morally guilty of murder or manslaughter, its whether or not *he* holds himself responsible for those acts. And since Hal has always been noble to a fault, he clearly thinks he needs redemption.

spike1205

06-03-2004, 08:21 AM

ok bored--i buy that argument, it works whether possessed or not

DragynWulf

06-26-2004, 11:06 PM

BY YoungG

Kyle ring can only be used by his genetic code rite?
So how did Hal use it in that crossover when Kyle went back in time?
Oh and Green Lanterns can make new rings?

BY Bored at 3:00AM

Hal can use Kyle's ring because it was made from the shattered peices of Hal's old ring. As a result, the "genetic link" thing don't mean squat to Hal. Technically, its still his old ring, so it will always work for him.

Not completely true. Before Kyle gave up his Ion power, he altered his ring so it would only work for him. He also altered it so there would be no 24 hour recharge needed as well.

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06-26-2004, 11:16 PM

Not completely true. Before Kyle gave up his Ion power, he altered his ring so it would only work for him. He also altered it so there would be no 24 hour recharge needed as well.

I don't think Hal's ever used the ring since Ion, so Who knows if it still works for him...

DragynWulf

06-26-2004, 11:33 PM

BY Bored at 3:00AM
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The Predator was a demonic parasite who had no physical body, so he had to possess others in order to carry out his revenge against the Oans.

He couldn't possess just anyone though, only the weak-willed liked Jason Belmore and the emotionally traumatized like Carol Ferris (who was stalked and tortured by The Predator) and Arisia (whose mind had reverted to a 13 year old due to a head injury).

When The Predator possessed a host, his personality did not completely take over, but would warp that person's personality into a darker and more violent version--with tendencies towards murder and cruelty. For example, when he possessed Star Sapphire, she went from being a playful and competetive super-feminist to a completely wacko murdering bitch. She also started wearing a more "extreme" armored version of her old costume.

Now, let's see if Hal qualifies as a potential host for The Predator...

Was he emotionally traumatized? Yep, 7 million people had been killed, including many of his friends, lovers and his brother's family.

Hal has always been traumatized by one thing or another. This is just the first time he was traumatized on this kind of level.

Did Hal's personality suddenly become darker and more violent--with tendencies toward murder and cruelty? Yep, killing Kilowog and chopping off Broodika's hand made no sense given what Hal was trying to accomplish.

Hal Jordan was possessed by Eclipso long before EMERALD TWILIGHT and in order to be possessed by Eclipso the person had to have evil tendencies and capible of doing evil.

Also killing Kilowog, chopping off Broodika's hand, and killing many other Green Lanterns in the process of trying to gain more power completely made sence. Hal Jordan explained that everything he was doing would be corrected (if he succeded). So in his mind it would be alright to kill anyone and do anything, because once he had the power to change things, anyone he killed would be brought back to life and whatever he destroyed would be remade.

Did Hal change his costume to a more "extreme" and armored version of his old one? Yep.

Did The Predator swear vengeance on Hal only a few issues before Emerald Twilight? Yep.

Quite a few of Hal Jordan's enemies have done the same.

Would absorbing the Central Power Battery and destroying the GLCOrps help The Predator take revenge on the Guardians? Yep.

It would also help Sinestro, Entropy, Legion, the Starheart, and others.

Predator wouldn't be able to possess Hal Jordan because in order for him to do it, Hal Jordan would have to be weak-willed and that is something he is not. Even in the state of mind he was in during EMERALD TWILIGHT.

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06-28-2004, 01:50 AM

Hal has always been traumatized by one thing or another. This is just the first time he was traumatized on this kind of level.

Hal Jordan was possessed by Eclipso long before EMERALD TWILIGHT and in order to be possessed by Eclipso the person had to have evil tendencies and capible of doing evil.

Also killing Kilowog, chopping off Broodika's hand, and killing many other Green Lanterns in the process of trying to gain more power completely made sence. Hal Jordan explained that everything he was doing would be corrected (if he succeded). So in his mind it would be alright to kill anyone and do anything, because once he had the power to change things, anyone he killed would be brought back to life and whatever he destroyed would be remade.

Quite a few of Hal Jordan's enemies have done the same.

It would also help Sinestro, Entropy, Legion, the Starheart, and others.

Predator wouldn't be able to possess Hal Jordan because in order for him to do it, Hal Jordan would have to be weak-willed and that is something he is not. Even in the state of mind he was in during EMERALD TWILIGHT.

I'm not saying it *was* The Predator. I'm just saying that there's plenty of evidence to support him being involved, just as its possible that Sinestro, Entropy, Legion, the Starheart, Krona, Hector Hammond, Lord Malvolio or a dozen others could be behind Hal's sudden slip into homocidal mania.

Regardless, I'm sure Geoff Johns is about to clear it all up in GL: Rebirth anyway. Johns has been tirelessly researching old Hal Jordan comics to weave together several old subplots to explain Hal's progression from GL to Parallax to The Spectre to.....who knows? Green Lantern again? Or something else?

DragynWulf

06-28-2004, 05:53 PM

I'm not saying it *was* The Predator. I'm just saying that there's plenty of evidence to support him being involved, just as its possible that Sinestro, Entropy, Legion, the Starheart, Krona, Hector Hammond, Lord Malvolio or a dozen others could be behind Hal's sudden slip into homocidal mania.

I understand that. You were just pointing out things that could make it Predator, while I was pointing out reasons that it couldn't be Predator.

Regardless, I'm sure Geoff Johns is about to clear it all up in GL: Rebirth anyway. Johns has been tirelessly researching old Hal Jordan comics to weave together several old subplots to explain Hal's progression from GL to Parallax to The Spectre to.....who knows? Green Lantern again? Or something else?

It is looking to be that way instead of Hal Jordan just returning. So far I am enjoying what Johns is doing with the entire situation.

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06-29-2004, 11:18 PM

It is looking to be that way instead of Hal Jordan just returning. So far I am enjoying what Johns is doing with the entire situation.

As am I--I'm also very pleased that Johns is keeping Kyle around. It would be a shame if Kyle got dumped in the same $#!tty manner that Hal did.

glguardian

07-17-2004, 09:50 AM

Not completely true. Before Kyle gave up his Ion power, he altered his ring so it would only work for him. He also altered it so there would be no 24 hour recharge needed as well.

Actually the 24 hour recharge was taken away when Ganthet gave Kyle the ring. Kyle did state that he altered it to only work for him, for him to will it back to himself and for the limited reserve.

Pretty much, he'll have a ring and the whole bit. Hal & The Spectre parted ways in JSA #60

Actually Hal is still the Spectre, he just parted ways with the redemption side of it.

Now thats done with my correcting :D

I have a question for ya.....I never heard of the GL cartoon from the sixties. I know you did a brief explanation on it, do you know when excactly it was?

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07-18-2004, 12:05 AM

The GL cartoons during the sixties happened sometime between '63 and '67 I would guess. I couldn't say for certain though. If you have access to KaZaA, you should be able to download copies of all the episodes for free since Warner Bros. clearly doesn't want to take my money by releasing them on DVD.

They're well worth watching--incredibly goofy--but worth watching.

cmdrbond007

08-01-2004, 04:08 PM

I saw a solicitation for a GL comic book called "Rebirth," issue #1... what the heck is this? A new title, the regular GL book starting at #1 again? Help!

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08-01-2004, 04:10 PM

I saw a solicitation for a GL comic book called "Rebirth," issue #1... what the heck is this? A new title, the regular GL book starting at #1 again? Help!The current GL series is ending, following Ron Marz's wrap-up storyline. Geoff Johns and Ethan Van Scriver will then do the REBIRTH mini-series, which will return Hal Jordan to GL status. After that, there'll be a new ongoing series, presumably Hal-centric.

We R. Venom

08-02-2004, 10:48 AM

what, what do you mean, thers not gonna be a gL comic anymore?

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08-02-2004, 10:52 AM

After REBIRTH, DC will launch a new GREEN LANTERN ongoing series.

We R. Venom

08-02-2004, 10:55 AM

Oh, you mean an extra one! Sorry i was confused, i though you meant theyre replacing it. So does that mean the kyle will stay the flag gL and Hal will have a comic for himself?

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08-02-2004, 10:59 AM

Not quite.

The current GREEN LANTERN series will be cancelled with #181 in September.
GREEN LANTERN: REBIRTH, the six issue mini-series that will bring back Hal as Green Lantern, launches in October.
After REBIRTH's run, DC will be launching a new GREEN LANTERN series. Presumably, the new series will focus on Hal.

We R. Venom

08-02-2004, 11:02 AM

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08-02-2004, 12:45 PM

What the damn? God I knew it. Why would they do that, how can they just stop GL title like that, and just cut out Kyle. Why wont they just keep going with what they have instaed og making an all new title.

I wouldn't get your panties in a bunch quite yet. Geoff Johns, the writer of GL, has specifically stated that Kyle will continue to play a *major* role in GL Rebirth. The idea that Kyle is going to be $#!t on and cut out of the franchise like DC tried to do with Hal is nothing more than hysterical fanboy assumptions at this point and flies completely in the face of the writer's comments.

pyrocrawler

08-02-2004, 06:03 PM

plus to won't the GL comic after rebirth start a new volume? it won't just stop like that all together its like a saga

We R. Venom

08-02-2004, 08:58 PM

Well I hope to god not.

We R. Venom

08-03-2004, 07:24 PM

Anyway other questions. Where is Guy Garner and the other GL's, I forgot.

Taltos

08-03-2004, 07:30 PM

at the risk of sounding like a total newb

Question:

Does GL have a weakness to yellow or not

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08-04-2004, 12:16 PM

at the risk of sounding like a total newb

Question:

Does GL have a weakness to yellow or not

Kyle doesn't have a weakness to yellow.

As for John Stewart?

No one knows. The cartoon John Stewart, badass marine turned GL, definitely doesn't have the yellow weakness. The comic John, which seems to have been replaced by the cartoon John, should have the yellow weakness because his ring is a gift from Hal Jordan circa 1963 (when the rings had a weakness).

Phoney Bone

08-04-2004, 06:52 PM

When Hal was forced to share his book with Green whozitz ( ;) ), he had a back-up series in The Flash drawn by Dick Dillin. I only remeber one or two of those stories, but he had this purple, starfish-looking thing he carried on his shoulder he called "Itty" (reminded me of a mini-Starro). And, as I remember, Itty was kinda badass...it froze The Florinic Man with an ice beam!

MY QUESTION:

Whatever happened to Itty?

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08-05-2004, 06:34 AM

MY QUESTION:

Whatever happened to Itty?

Itty evolved into a gigantic creature who eventually who Hal bumped into very shortly before Emerald Twilight. Aparently, Itty had found a mate and their Itty spawn were wreaking havoc in space. During the battle, Hal's lantern was blown up real good, forcing Hal to absorb all of its power into his body so it didn't create a black hole that would have destroyed the universe.

This, by the way, is why Hal ran out of power during Emerald Twilight and had to siphon off power from anyone the Guardians threw at him...

Cyclaud

08-06-2004, 01:46 PM

Hi I wanna start reading GL, what are some good, essential trades I should read?

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08-07-2004, 12:04 AM

Hi I wanna start reading GL, what are some good, essential trades I should read?

If you've got a lotta money to spend, your best bets are the GL Archives of Alan Scott and Hal Jordan's original stories.

If you're on a budget, I'd pick up the most recent Rise & Fall of Hal Jordan TPBs that DC put out starting with Emerald Dawn, followed by Emerald Dawn II, The Road Back and Emerald Twilight/New Dawn.

Those will bring up up to date on GL history pretty well.

scherem

08-12-2004, 12:56 PM

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08-12-2004, 01:05 PM

Maybe this was answered elsewhere.... But I just finished re-reading GL: MOSIAC, at the end John Stewart was a Guardian (Or at least thats how I read it...). I noticed now he isn't a Guardian, how did they resolve this plot thread?

They didn't.

Gerard Jones intended to follow up on the Guardian John development in Emerald Twilight, but his version of the story was rejected by DC Editorial and the new version made no mention of John whatsoever, despite the fact that John was living on Oa at the time of Hal's rebellion.

When John showed up next, in the shoddy GL-knockoff comic DARKSTARS, his newfound Guardian status was quickly sweeped under the carpet and has never been mentioned again.

Five bucks says Geoff Johns will bring it up at some point during GL: Rebirth. A dangling subplot that big is just *begging* to get a follow up.

scherem

08-12-2004, 05:58 PM

Gerard Jones intended to follow up on the Guardian John development in Emerald Twilight, but his version of the story was rejected by DC Editorial and the new version made no mention of John whatsoever, despite the fact that John was living on Oa at the time of Hal's rebellion.

Thats pretty upsetting. The idea of a human Guardian was interesting, and could have opened a whole new series of plots threads.

Can you eleborate on the original Jones version of Twilight?

-mcs

Genedin

08-12-2004, 06:30 PM

After Rebirth, where is Kyle gonna be? I know he has his role in rebirth, but after that, the new GL will be Hal, so where will kyle go?

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08-12-2004, 09:33 PM

After Rebirth, where is Kyle gonna be? I know he has his role in rebirth, but after that, the new GL will be Hal, so where will kyle go?

Most likely, Kyle won't go anywhere and will remain GL.

Unlike most of Kyle's run as GL, Hal co-existed quite nicely with multiple GLs, including John, Guy and 3600 other alien GLs. Hal should be able to do the same with Kyle too.

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08-12-2004, 10:04 PM

Thats pretty upsetting. The idea of a human Guardian was interesting, and could have opened a whole new series of plots threads.

Can you eleborate on the original Jones version of Twilight?

-mcs

The original story was similar to the published Emerald Twilight, but with some notable differences.

The story started off with Hal mourning within the ruins of Coast City and deciding his past on Earth was fiially dead and his future lay in the stars with the Corps. Upon arriving at Oa, Hal finds the planet in the midst of a civil war between two factions of Guardians, each claiming the other side are imposters. When the pregnant Zamarons, the Guardians' female counterparts, side with one side, the rest of the GLCorps follows suit and rallies behind this group of "real" Guardians--all except Hal, who follows his instincts and backs the other group of "imposter" Guardians.

A big battle ensues with Hal battling alone against the combined might of the GLCorps. Things are made even more complicated when the "real" Guardians appoint Sinestro as the new leader of their Corps, claiming his past crimes were manipulated by the "imposter" Guardians. Here's a few pages of Hal's battle with Sinestro & the Corps by Darryl Banks which were never published.

http://www.emeralddawn.com/gallery/images/i-1_B_L.jpg

http://www.emeralddawn.com/gallery/images/i-2_B_L.jpg

http://www.emeralddawn.com/gallery/images/i-3_B_L.jpg

http://www.emeralddawn.com/gallery/images/i-4_B_L.jpg

Anyway, Hal pluges himself into the Central Power Battery and internalizes enough power for himself to operate independently without the need of a ring or lantern. He re-emerges clad in a new costume (which was later used for Parallax) and helps the "imposter" Guardians escape from Oa.

In the subsequent issues, Sinestro was going to become progressively loopier and destroy the Khund homeworld, causing the Corps to wonder whether maybe they backed the wrong horse. Meanwhile, Hal would rally together the Justice League & Justice Society for a full-scale assault on Oa. Finally, it would be revealed that the "real" Guardians were actually creations of Krona (the baddie from JLAvengers) and that the Oans were behind the accident that killed Hal's father in order to forge him into a fearless warrior.

Unwilling to fight for the Guardians anymore, Hal decides to wander the spaceways as an independent cosmic hero called Protector while Ganthlet returned to Earth and chose a young artist named Kyle Rayner to become the new GL of Earth.

Raining Cats&Dogs

08-15-2004, 12:31 PM

I have a question... do the things a GL Creates effect the GL themselves? For example, if a GL created a Boomerang and it came back at him aimed at his head, would it

A) Affect him the same as it would his enemies
or
B) Pass harmlessly through him?

scherem

08-15-2004, 02:25 PM

I imagine if the GL willed it to remain it would hurt him. But I imagine, soon as the boomerang misses, the GL would stop thinking about, which would cause the image to fade away.

In GL #25, it was hinted that Guy had used his ring to keep him younger and in-shape which gave him the physical order over Hal.

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08-15-2004, 10:02 PM

Exactly, since any object a GL creates exists and is controlled only through the continued willpooer of the ring-slinger, its pretty damn unlikely that a GL could be harmed by their own energy constucts.

On the other hand, if a GL wills the ring to affect him/her/it, then it will, as Guy did to make his body younger and stronger and Arisia did to make her body & mind older.

stealthwise

08-17-2004, 12:05 PM

The story started off with Hal mourning within the ruins of Coast City and deciding his past on Earth was fiially dead and his future lay in the stars with the Corps.

I know this is going to be an unpopular comment as I make it, but I find this reaction to the loss of Coast City much less acceptable than the one that was actually published. While at the time I was in conflict about Hal going berzerk, it made a hell of a lot more sense to me. If I had lost nearly all of my family and friends and the city that I loved and once called my home, I would probably rage out about being denied the opportunity to change things. Especially if it happened in such a seemingly random turn of events (from the Reign of the Supermen storyline), if I were Hal I would certainly pursue a way to change the way things went down, or to try and fix things. I don't know how many people wouldn't try to make it better in the same circumstances.

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08-18-2004, 01:36 AM

I know this is going to be an unpopular comment as I make it, but I find this reaction to the loss of Coast City much less acceptable than the one that was actually published. While at the time I was in conflict about Hal going berzerk, it made a hell of a lot more sense to me. If I had lost nearly all of my family and friends and the city that I loved and once called my home, I would probably rage out about being denied the opportunity to change things. Especially if it happened in such a seemingly random turn of events (from the Reign of the Supermen storyline), if I were Hal I would certainly pursue a way to change the way things went down, or to try and fix things. I don't know how many people wouldn't try to make it better in the same circumstances.

I would agree with you but, as had been established very clearly in previous issues, Hal had severed most of his ties with Coast City prior to its destruction. Absolutely *none* of his family still lived there, nor did any of his close friends. It would have certainly had a profound effect on him, but considering all his closest friends and loved ones were spared, your theory doesn't quite work. Hell, if just *one* of Hal's close friends or family had been killed, it might have made a little more sense, but they all lived.

It should be noted that DC has wisely retconned in more and more of Hal's family and friends as being victims of Coast City than was originally the case in order to explain Hal's actions. So, now, Hal's younger brother and his family were victims, along with his former fiance Kari Limbo.

Fenix

08-18-2004, 09:56 AM

BY Bored at 3:00AM
Unwilling to fight for the Guardians anymore, Hal decides to wander the spaceways as an independent cosmic hero called Protector while Ganthlet returned to Earth and chose a young artist named Kyle Rayner to become the new GL of Earth.

I like this version of the story. Maybe the "Rebirth" author might use part of it, something like: we were living and alternative dimension, hypertime or whatever caused by Hal entering in the Oa´s battery. Time goes back and forth, and we can set part of that story in continuity... Who knows?

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08-18-2004, 10:37 AM

I like this version of the story. Maybe the "Rebirth" author might use part of it, something like: we were living and alternative dimension, hypertime or whatever caused by Hal entering in the Oa´s battery. Time goes back and forth, and we can set part of that story in continuity... Who knows?

Given Parallax's time bending powers, I think its possible that something like this might end up happening.

stealthwise

08-18-2004, 01:16 PM

I would agree with you but, as had been established very clearly in previous issues, Hal had severed most of his ties with Coast City prior to its destruction. Absolutely *none* of his family still lived there, nor did any of his close friends. It would have certainly had a profound effect on him, but considering all his closest friends and loved ones were spared, your theory doesn't quite work. Hell, if just *one* of Hal's close friends or family had been killed, it might have made a little more sense, but they all lived.

It should be noted that DC has wisely retconned in more and more of Hal's family and friends as being victims of Coast City than was originally the case in order to explain Hal's actions. So, now, Hal's younger brother and his family were victims, along with his former fiance Kari Limbo.

You make a good point. I have no real idea about any of that history at that point, but wasn't Kari Limbo in Coast City at the time? I remember a "Bloodlines" annual that took place there, and she and some other people that Hal knew appeared to be living there at that time.

Despite the fact that there may not have been a number of people Hal was close to in Coast City, I still consider it from a point of view that the city was destroyed and millions of people were wiped out. When a catastrophe like 9/11 happens in the real world (and here I tread carefully, because I don't want to drag too many parallels between the DCU and the real world), everyone's talking about it and treating it like a huge thing. This is an entire populace wiped out, millions of lives gone; families and children. I think that Hal probably overreacted given his established character, but I don't think it was as unreasonable as many made it out to be over the past decade.

Regardless, I'm looking forward to discovering how they bring him back.

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08-19-2004, 01:22 AM

You make a good point. I have no real idea about any of that history at that point, but wasn't Kari Limbo in Coast City at the time? I remember a "Bloodlines" annual that took place there, and she and some other people that Hal knew appeared to be living there at that time.

Despite the fact that there may not have been a number of people Hal was close to in Coast City, I still consider it from a point of view that the city was destroyed and millions of people were wiped out. When a catastrophe like 9/11 happens in the real world (and here I tread carefully, because I don't want to drag too many parallels between the DCU and the real world), everyone's talking about it and treating it like a huge thing. This is an entire populace wiped out, millions of lives gone; families and children. I think that Hal probably overreacted given his established character, but I don't think it was as unreasonable as many made it out to be over the past decade.

Regardless, I'm looking forward to discovering how they bring him back.

Again, I think it certainly would have had a huge impact on Hal, as Jones' original story showed by having him essentially sever his remaining ties with his homeworld, but going nuts doesn't quite work, at least not the way it was portrayed. I never actually had a problem with the idea of Hal going insane as I think every hero, no matter how noble, has a breaking point, but I think the way Hal's descent into madness was written by Marz made no sense whatsoever given his past characterization. I don't think insanity gives writers a blank check for having a character do anything he thinks will get a rise out of the reader and Marz didn't establish any of the sadism or homocidal mania that Hal suddenly displayed in that story.

pyrocrawler

08-19-2004, 04:45 PM

would it be a good idea to pick up Emerald Dawn, Emerald Dawn II, The Road Back and Emerald Twilight/New Dawn, before reading rebirth?

stealthwise

08-19-2004, 04:54 PM

Again, I think it certainly would have had a huge impact on Hal, as Jones' original story showed by having him essentially sever his remaining ties with his homeworld, but going nuts doesn't quite work, at least not the way it was portrayed. I never actually had a problem with the idea of Hal going insane as I think every hero, no matter how noble, has a breaking point, but I think the way Hal's descent into madness was written by Marz made no sense whatsoever given his past characterization. I don't think insanity gives writers a blank check for having a character do anything he thinks will get a rise out of the reader and Marz didn't establish any of the sadism or homocidal mania that Hal suddenly displayed in that story.

That's true, I was wondering what the point was of Hal cutting off his former colleagues hands, etc, except for the fact that it was the cutting edge, early 90s thing to do.

Raining Cats&Dogs

08-19-2004, 07:52 PM

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08-19-2004, 11:28 PM

would it be a good idea to pick up Emerald Dawn, Emerald Dawn II, The Road Back and Emerald Twilight/New Dawn, before reading rebirth?

Probably, that's the most recent Hal stuff out there, although its not really representative of the "true" Hal Jordan that gained such a devoted and rabid fan following. For that Hal Jordan, you *need* to check out Darwyn Cooke's massive New Frontier mini-series (the first giant half of which will be collected in TPB before Rebirth comes out).

New Frontier chronicles the early years of the Silver Age, focusing heavily on Hal Jordan's rise to power--from his days as a fighter pilot in the Korean War, his career as a fearless test pilot, his short-lived stint as an astronaut and his eventual recruitment into the Green Lantern Corps by Abin Sur. The series will culminate in the formation of the original Justice League. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash and J'Onn J'Onzz also play a big role in the story.

I cannot recommend New Frontier enough.

Read New Frontier.

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08-19-2004, 11:31 PM

Sorry to bother you incredibly helpful folk again with my inane questions, but hey, the more I learn about GL the more i'm interested in buying some of the GL stories. Anyway, here are the questions, all about John Stewart:

1. What's he up to now? Is he still a Green Lantern?

2. I understand that John Stewart was a part of the JLA. Can someone please give me the issues he appeared in?

3. Was there ever any stories in the GL ongoing focusing on him? Can someone please give me these issues?

4. If I was looking for the cream of the crop, the BEST John Stewart story or arc ever, what would I be looking for?

5. I understand that Alan Scott's weakness was wood and Hal's weakness was the colour yellow. Does John Stewart have any weaknesses?

Thank you in advance to anyone who answers these questions. It's just that as a black man, I feel I can relate to John easier then the other Green Lanterns.

1 & 2 John is the resident GL of the Justice League at the moment and currently appears in almost every issue.

3 & 4 John had his own comic, GL: Mosaic, in the early nineties and is well worth picking up. Its very weird, maybe a little too weird for some, but a very good series. Those are the best John stories as far as I'm concerned.

5. John's ring, like Hal's, has a weakness to yellow.

stealthwise

08-20-2004, 01:22 PM

SuperManny

08-20-2004, 06:08 PM

would it be a good idea to pick up Emerald Dawn, Emerald Dawn II, The Road Back and Emerald Twilight/New Dawn, before reading rebirth?

Since we're dealing with Post Crisis Hal Jordan here, I recommend reading those trade paperbacks highly. I would also recommend Zero Hour, Final Night, and Green Lantern: Emerald Knights in that order to see the further exploits of Hal as Parallax. This would give you a strong base in case Johns decides to throw any references in Green Lantern: Rebirth.

*still crying a big green river* :(

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08-21-2004, 12:37 AM

I like what I've read from New Frontier, but I still don't get why they had Hal Jordan afraid to kill other people in a wartime situation. It really makes the character seem... well, wussy. I'm not a big proponent of the "kill, kill, smash 'em up" type of machismo hero/anti-hero, but it seems strange in the context they placed it in (I'm thinking of the first few issues, the only ones I've read so far). It also makes Hal's actions during Emerald Twilight (again we come back to it :) ) even less plausible, if both are part of the same continuity, that is.

That was a big sticking point for me and others too. It wasn't so much that he was affraid to kill though as much as he didn't feel he owed his country the lives of others. Darwyn Cooke posted his feelings on the matter a little while ago and I can see where he's coming from but I would have done it differently. I think it would have made more sense for Hal to have come to the realisation that he would never kill again due to his wartime experiences than to go into the war not willing to kill. It kinda stains credibility.

stealthwise

08-21-2004, 12:44 AM

That sure as hell would have made a lot more sense.

Bicycle-Repairman

09-09-2004, 11:41 AM

Does anyone know what the official origin of the Golden Age Green Lantern currently is? So far, I know of three different origins:

1. Engineer Alan Scott miraculously survives a horrible train wreck thanks to the power of a magical, sentient railroad lantern. The magic lantern tells Alan it is made from a green meteorite that landed in China hundreds of years ago and possesses the power of the Green Flame of Life. A Chinese metalworker forged the meteorite into an oil lamp, and the oil lamp was later melted down by a mental patient in the 19th century to make a railroad lantern. If I remember correctly, the Green Flame of Life was to "burn three times": The first time it brought death (the Chinese metalworker was killed), the second time it brought life (the mental patient regained his sanity), and the third time it brought power. Alan, as the third possessor of the green lantern, made a ring from its metal that allowed him to manipulate a mystical green energy for almost any purpose he willed. However, the ring was ineffective against wood and had to be recharged by the lantern's light periodically.

2. Thousands of years ago, the Guardians of the Universe encased mystical energies into a vessel called the Starheart in a failed attempt to rid the universe of all magic. The Starheart was sent into outer space, eventually landing in China hundreds of years ago. The mystical energy within the Starheart had gained sentience, calling itself the Green Flame of Life. The rest of the story is similar to the Golden Age Green Lantern's original origin.

3. Hundreds of years ago, Yulan Gur was the greatest Green Lantern in the universe. So great in fact, that the Guardians of the Universe stripped his power ring of its weakness against the colour yellow. Afterwards, however, Yulan Gur went made with power and began oppressing the Chinese villagers he was supposed to protect. The Guardians responded by secretly altering Yulan Gur's ring so that it was now ineffective against wood. The rebelling villagers were able to kill Yulan Gur with wooden clubs, but the dead Green Lantern's consciousness took residence within his power ring and battery as the Green Flame of Life. Over the centuries, the ring and battery eventually wound up in America, where it was found by Alan Scott.

I probably have some of the above details wrong. Last time I checked the second origin with the Starheart was officially canon, but I wonder if Yulan Gur's story has somehow been reconciled with it or completely ignored?

Bicycle-Repairman

09-09-2004, 11:53 AM

Unwilling to fight for the Guardians anymore, Hal decides to wander the spaceways as an independent cosmic hero called Protector while Ganthlet returned to Earth and chose a young artist named Kyle Rayner to become the new GL of Earth.

Although it falls outside official continuity, "The Dark Knight Returns" briefly mentioned that Hal left Earth to live amongst the stars. One of the great things originally about "The Dark Knight Returns" was that it could have been the future of the DC Universe. Unfortunately, the whole "Hal goes insane and dies" storyline eliminated this possibility. Hal did show up in "The Dark Knight Strikes Again", but that series contradicted continuity (both pre-Crisis and post-Crisis) so much it made my head spin.

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09-10-2004, 12:16 PM

klobbersaurus

09-27-2004, 10:11 PM

I am a new Green Lantern reader, I am curious which story(stories) it was exactly that Hal went crazy and killed all the other GLs and then was killed himself when he restored the earths sun

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09-27-2004, 11:04 PM

I am a new Green Lantern reader, I am curious which story(stories) it was exactly that Hal went crazy and killed all the other GLs and then was killed himself when he restored the earths sun

Hal's went insane in Emerald Twilight and committed suicide in Final Night. Both are available in TPB. The Last Will & Testament of Hal Jordan TPB follows up on both these stories.

Trystenn

10-08-2004, 01:12 AM

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10-08-2004, 06:13 AM

I know this might be dumb but im new to DC comics (Mostly read Marvel) and im always hearing about "Crisis of Multiple Earths", i know how it affected Supes and Flash, but what affect did it have on the GL corps?

Well, since the GL mythos is at ground zero of DC's entire Multiple Earths concept, it had a very big effect.

After the idea of different Earths existing across infinite alternate dimensions was first introduced in THE FLASH, the origin of these various Earths was revealed in the pages of GREEN LANTERN.

Billions of years ago, Krona, a renegade immortal from the planet Oa, rebelled against his people and decided to learn the most forbidden knowledge of all: The Origin of the Universe itself. Using a time viewer, Krona peeled back time to view the Dawn of Time. However, a cataclysmic accident with Krona's machinery caused this newborn Universe to splinter into an infinite number of realities--a Multiverse. Krona's accident also unleashed an unspeakable evil upon reality, an Anti-Matter Universe where evil reigned supreme. To attone for Krona's crime, his fellow Oans became the Guardians of the Universe and formed the Green Lantern Corps to act as theii servants.

Eventually, this Multiverse was destroyed by the ruler of the Anti-Matter Universe, The Anti-Monitor and his servants, the Weaponers of Qward. The Qwardians are the sworn arch-enemies of the Green Lantern Corps.

Anywho, the destruction of the Multiverse caused all the various Earths and their histories to merge, creating a revised history for Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and others. The Green Lantern Corps, however, were busy fighting the final battle against the Qwardians in the Anti-Matter Universe when the Multiverse was merged back into a single universe again.

As a result, the GLCorps has a unique perspective on history and the universe as they are amongst the only people around who actually remember the Multiverse and what really happened during the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Some have suggested that this is why so many these same GLs have suffered mental problems following the Crisis. Guy Gardner suffered from a split personality disorder, John Stewart had a mental breakdown and Hal Jordan went insane and even tried to recreate multiple Earths again.

Trystenn

10-08-2004, 05:03 PM

Holy........ok anyways basically, they didnt get revisions like the other chars, but instead were made the one steady stream in this ocean we call Universe, okie dokie, thanks alot.

BoosterBronze

11-08-2004, 11:15 AM

What was the final story in Kyle's GL book? How did he get all screwed up at the beginning of GL-Rebirth 1?

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11-09-2004, 12:12 AM

What was the final story in Kyle's GL book? How did he get all screwed up at the beginning of GL-Rebirth 1?

Quick recap:

Kyle came back to Earth after sulking in space for a year because, aparently, he never knew that gay-bashers existed until his buddy got the snot kicked out of him. Immediately upon his arrival, Kyle discovered that the JLA liked John Stewart better than him, his girlfriend Jade had been cheating on him and that Major Force had murdered his mother--although this was actually just a really sadistic fake-out.

All this was a bit too much for poor Kyle, who promptly handed over his ring to Major Force, the same guy who had murdered his girlfriend and pretended to murder his mother. Then, realising that this was a profoundly idiotic thing to do, he took the ring back and drop-kicked Major Force into space.

Kyle, feeling that there was nothing left for him on Earth, decided to head back into space to sulk some more.

Later, when Kyle was in the furthest reaches of space, his ring's AI suddenly reactivated and told him "Parallax is coming".

The next time we see Kyle is in Rebirth #1

Kevinroc

11-09-2004, 12:51 PM

Quick recap:

Kyle came back to Earth after sulking in space for a year because, aparently, he never knew that gay-bashers existed until his buddy got the snot kicked out of him. Immediately upon his arrival, Kyle discovered that the JLA liked John Stewart better than him, his girlfriend Jade had been cheating on him and that Major Force had murdered his mother--although this was actually just a really sadistic fake-out.

All this was a bit too much for poor Kyle, who promptly handed over his ring to Major Force, the same guy who had murdered his girlfriend and pretended to murder his mother. Then, realising that this was a profoundly idiotic thing to do, he took the ring back and drop-kicked Major Force into space.

Kyle, feeling that there was nothing left for him on Earth, decided to head back into space to sulk some more.

Later, when Kyle was in the furthest reaches of space, his ring's AI suddenly reactivated and told him "Parallax is coming".

The next time we see Kyle is in Rebirth #1

Can't figure out where Identity Crisis fits into DC continuity?

stealthwise

11-09-2004, 01:26 PM

Later, when Kyle was in the furthest reaches of space, his ring's AI suddenly reactivated and told him "Parallax is coming".

Whoa, when did THAT part happen? I don't remember it appearing in either the last GL issue or the first part of Rebirth, at least not explicitly.

Kevinroc

11-09-2004, 03:35 PM

Whoa, when did THAT part happen? I don't remember it appearing in either the last GL issue or the first part of Rebirth, at least not explicitly.

We saw this in an issue of Wizard. They did a preview of GL: Rebirth done by Rebirth's creative team.

Viking Bastard

11-09-2004, 03:47 PM

Can't figure out where Identity Crisis fits into DC continuity?
Sometime between the issues in the last arc. Before he went to his mum?

I think it's the best thing we can do.

Nate Grey

11-11-2004, 10:54 PM

3. Hundreds of years ago, Yulan Gur was the greatest Green Lantern in the universe. So great in fact, that the Guardians of the Universe stripped his power ring of its weakness against the colour yellow. Afterwards, however, Yulan Gur went made with power and began oppressing the Chinese villagers he was supposed to protect. The Guardians responded by secretly altering Yulan Gur's ring so that it was now ineffective against wood. The rebelling villagers were able to kill Yulan Gur with wooden clubs, but the dead Green Lantern's consciousness took residence within his power ring and battery as the Green Flame of Life. Over the centuries, the ring and battery eventually wound up in America, where it was found by Alan Scott.

Both versions were reconciled by Ron Marz in GREEN LANTERN CORPS QUARTERLY. Essentially, the Starheart fragment collided with Yulan Gur and fell to Earth and became the Green Flame of Life that granted Alan Scott his power. The Magic came from the Starheart but the guiding consciousness was the tortured soul of Yulan Gur, which explains why the Green Flame influenced it owners to shape a lantern and ring from its metal

Something seems off here...Yulan Gar became corrupt enough for the Guardians to secretly put that impurity in his ring so the local earthlings could kill him...okay...his consciousness took residence in his power ring...okay...but all that resulted in is making the owners take the shape of a lantern and ring? Not okay. That's what's seeming off here. If its his same consciousness why isn't it making the new owner of his power a sort of new host, or at the very least make him/her just as mad as he was in life? At what point did his consciousness get sanity or get redeemed?

I always thought that was the deal with Power Ring...either that or his ring had a crazy AI.

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11-12-2004, 12:12 AM

Something seems off here...Yulan Gar became corrupt enough for the Guardians to secretly put that impurity in his ring so the local earthlings could kill him...okay...his consciousness took residence in his power ring...okay...but all that resulted in is making the owners take the shape of a lantern and ring? Not okay. That's what's seeming off here. If its his same consciousness why isn't it making the new owner of his power a sort of new host, or at the very least make him/her just as mad as he was in life? At what point did his consciousness get sanity or get redeemed?

I always thought that was the deal with Power Ring...either that or his ring had a crazy AI.

Yulan Gur was never really that evil or bug-house insane like Sinestro or Parallax, he just over-stepped his bounds and became a tyrant. Once he'd been humbled by being beaten to death by the wooden clubs, he'd pretty much regained his senses and tried to redeem himself by guiding the Starheart magics into reshaping itself into a lantern and ring.

Nate Grey

11-12-2004, 01:59 AM

Yulan Gur was never really that evil or bug-house insane like Sinestro or Parallax, he just over-stepped his bounds and became a tyrant. Once he'd been humbled by being beaten to death by the wooden clubs, he'd pretty much regained his senses and tried to redeem himself by guiding the Starheart magics into reshaping itself into a lantern and ring.

So they literally beat sense into him? But by then it was too late? And while his ring was powerless against wood, I don't see how it was powerless against flying away from the villagers with wooden clubs.

I guess it was either a) while he's getting beaten he gets an epiphany that, "Hmm...misusing my powers weren't the thing to do" and "forgets" how to fly away, or b) as a body-less consciousness existing in the ring, he had centuries to come to the conclusion "Hmmm...misusing my powers weren't the thing to do."

And what about the three wishes aspect of it? Or however you call it? Death, Knowledge, Power? Has that been retconned away? I know it wasn't that important, but it gave Alan's origin a sort of ominous edge to it, like if he had been the first person and not the third person to find it...

Matt

11-12-2004, 02:14 AM

Yalan Gur wasn;t actually beaten to death - he managed to fly away from the peasants after receiving considerable punishment (he stood there in total arrogance until he noticed 'hey, wood hurts a lot!'). He flew up into the sky where he had brief words with projections of the Guardians. His wounds and rage then meant he burnt up on re-entry and his power ring/battery did its best to save him by absorbing Yalan Gur into itself ... as it fell it collided with the Starheart and fell to Earth as a meteorite.

As shown in Green Lantern #19, current series.

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11-12-2004, 06:38 AM

So they literally beat sense into him? But by then it was too late? And while his ring was powerless against wood, I don't see how it was powerless against flying away from the villagers with wooden clubs.

I guess it was either a) while he's getting beaten he gets an epiphany that, "Hmm...misusing my powers weren't the thing to do" and "forgets" how to fly away, or b) as a body-less consciousness existing in the ring, he had centuries to come to the conclusion "Hmmm...misusing my powers weren't the thing to do."

And what about the three wishes aspect of it? Or however you call it? Death, Knowledge, Power? Has that been retconned away? I know it wasn't that important, but it gave Alan's origin a sort of ominous edge to it, like if he had been the first person and not the third person to find it...

Well, there's also the fact that it's not just Yulan Gur's spirit, but also the magics of the Starheart fragment added to the mix, which also has a personality of its own. Essentially, the "Green Flame of Life" that granted the Death, Life and Power was a combination of dozens of different magical energies, Oan science and the spirit of a disgraced Green Lantern--all mixed together into something completely new.

Mia

11-28-2004, 08:38 AM

Quick recap:

Kyle came back to Earth after sulking in space for a year because, aparently, he never knew that gay-bashers existed until his buddy got the snot kicked out of him. Immediately upon his arrival, Kyle discovered that the JLA liked John Stewart better than him, his girlfriend Jade had been cheating on him and that Major Force had murdered his mother--although this was actually just a really sadistic fake-out.

All this was a bit too much for poor Kyle, who promptly handed over his ring to Major Force, the same guy who had murdered his girlfriend and pretended to murder his mother. Then, realising that this was a profoundly idiotic thing to do, he took the ring back and drop-kicked Major Force into space.

Kyle, feeling that there was nothing left for him on Earth, decided to head back into space to sulk some more.

Later, when Kyle was in the furthest reaches of space, his ring's AI suddenly reactivated and told him "Parallax is coming".

The next time we see Kyle is in Rebirth #1

LOL!!!

Oh my goodness that was so funny! It's why I dropped the book and could never figure out why GL is supposed to be a hero.

Fenix

12-05-2004, 02:44 PM

I finally read "Legacy" and there´s something I couldn´t undestand. I´d thought that Kyle was the one who brought OA back and reinstall the corps, but it seems that I was wrong.
Could you straight those things for me Bored? Who did what exactly?
Obviously Hal (as the Spectre) with the help of Tom Rebuilt OA but , how does "Kyle´s Fixing" fit on it?

Expletive Deleted

12-05-2004, 03:09 PM

Obviously Hal (as the Spectre) with the help of Tom Rebuilt OA but , how does "Kyle´s Fixing" fit on it?Hal and Tom put the planet back together; Kyle re-energized the central power battery and resurrected the Guardians.

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12-06-2004, 07:39 AM

Hal and Tom put the planet back together; Kyle re-energized the central power battery and resurrected the Guardians.

Exactly. The timeline goes like this.

Hal goes wacko and sucks all the juice outta the Central Power Battery--including the life forces of The Guardians themselves.

In order to stop Hal from sucking even more power out of Oa itself, Kyle blows up Oa--without bothering to check if there was anybody living on the rest of the planet I might add.

Later on, Hal's spirit directed "Marty" to Tom with instructions to "fix it". Tom and Marty then sucked some energy off of Parallax and used that to rebuild Oa and the Central Power Battery.

Meanwhile, Kyle had absorbed the rest of Parrallax's energy and used that to reignite the Central Power Battery and resurrect The Guardians as children.

Essentially, Tom & Marty rebuilt the house, but Kyle gave it electricity and people to live in it.

Fenix

12-06-2004, 09:19 AM

Thanks a lot to both of you, Expletive Deleted and Bored.

Another question about the graphic novel GL Fear itself, what is it about? Should I read it?, has any relevance to the Hal Jordan story?

Nate Grey

12-06-2004, 09:21 AM

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12-06-2004, 10:34 AM

I didn't read much of Raab's run, but was that chalk-white Amazonian-like woman a child-descendant of the Guardians and Zamorians?

Also...have they retconned Kyle resurrecting some of the Guardians into female Guardians? I thought the whole point of Zamorians was because they were no female Guardians to procreate with. Or does the resurrection count as a new life altogether? :confused: Thanks.

Kyle resurrected some of the Guardians as women to show them a different perspective on life, which sounds a little presumptious to me. I mean, I know I'd get a little pissy if some punk from Greenwich Village changed my gender for the hell of it.

Viking Bastard

12-07-2004, 05:58 AM

I could have sworn I saw Ice, or someone who looked like her, take a tumble with Metamorpho and Obsidian down from the JLA Satellite in Morrison's opening arc. Since they survived, are we talking about a different Ice?
You're not thinkin' of Fire?

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12-07-2004, 11:30 AM

There were actually two different characters called Ice.

The first was Ice Maiden, member of the Global Guardians who later joined the JLI with her friend Green Flame and changed their code-names to Fire & Ice.

The second was retconned in by Gerard Jones' abysmal JLI run as the "original" Ice Maiden who Ice Maiden had replaced in the Global Guardians. Yeah, I know. It was this kind of convoluted writing that led to GL sales plummeting so low that turning Hal into a lunatic seemed like a good idea.

Calamas

12-07-2004, 03:48 PM

...have they retconned Kyle resurrecting some of the Guardians into female Guardians? I thought the whole point of Zamorians was because they were no female Guardians to procreate with. Or does the resurrection count as a new life altogether? :confused: Thanks.

Although not really an answer to your question, here is a small piece of Green Lantern trivia. Kyle’s OA resurrection was not the only appearance of a female guardian. But forget about retcon, this was disavowed from the moment it happened.

Back in the early 80’s they were all buddies in those DC offices and editors seldom exerted a firm rein over their titles. The most egregious offender of the lackadaisical status of the day was Jack C. Harris, who was allowed to write whole new personalities to established characters whenever he took over a title. But it wasn’t a writer who misstepped in Green Lantern.

Between creative teams, an artist who had no familiarity with the title or its history was asked to draw a fill-in story. It may have been Jack Able, but I’m going on memory here and could easily be wrong. In any case, a big part of the story took place on OA and the artist chose to draw Guardians of all shapes and sizes, including female. I have always believed this was allowed to see print because of money issues. The mistakes appeared on so many pages and in so many panels that it did not pay for DC, financially speaking, to re-commission the art, not on a mid-list title. It went to press and was never mentioned again.

Do any of the real Green Lantern experts remember this issue or its details? Like the issue number or the artist. The bulk of my collection is in storage in another state and I can only go by memory.

Halofreak20

12-18-2004, 05:40 PM

when Marvel Comic's flawed and less idealised heroes began to dominate the comics industry.

Dude, wtf. What do you mean "flawed", Marvel's comics werent "flawed" in the 60's. If anything if you are saying that they are not perfect then yes they arent perfect which is why they dominated DC in the 60's because they were new heros that people could relate to

yenaled

12-18-2004, 07:31 PM

Dude, wtf. What do you mean "flawed", Marvel's comics werent "flawed" in the 60's. If anything if you are saying that they are not perfect then yes they arent perfect which is why they dominated DC in the 60's because they were new heros that people could relate to

He means the characters were flawed, like Spider-Man not being able to get a date, etc...flawed herose.

Halofreak20

12-19-2004, 10:18 AM

O ok thats what I thought but, I just wanted to make sure. I saw that and I was like, what the?? is this to explain about Green Lantern or bash marvel.

But, yeah I see his point now.

Patient Boy

01-25-2005, 03:52 AM

Ok, I saw the other thread. Seeing as how I didn't read Rebirth, how exactly did they explain away Parallax? Thanks.

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01-25-2005, 05:39 AM

Ok, I saw the other thread. Seeing as how I didn't read Rebirth, how exactly did they explain away Parallax? Thanks.

Well, the full story hasn't been told yet, but here's the general gist...

It has been revealed that the Yellow Impurity that the Guardians used to create the Central Power Battery was actually a sentient being that is basically a living embodiment of fear. The Yellow Impurity had been sleeping, dormant within the Central Power Battery for billions of years until Sinestro managed to wake it up and helped the Yellow Impurity bond itself to Hal Jordan's soul--this presumably happened during Hal & Sin's big battle within the Central Power Battery in GL#224 in 1988.

Since then, the Yellow Impurity has been slowly corrupting Hal from within, causing him to doubt himself. The mental strain of subconsciously fighting the Yellow Impurity's influence is what caused Hal's hair to suddenly turn white. When Coast City was destroyed, the strain was too much and Hal snapped, allowing the Yellow Impurity to exert even more influence over him.

After he absorbed the Central Power Battery, Hal and the Yellow Impurity continued their mental tug-o-war until Hal finally ended his life by sacrificing himself to destroy the Sun-Eater and reignite the Sun. However, the Yellow Impurity was bonded to his soul and stayed with him even into the afterlife, where it plotted to wrest control of an even greater source power--The Spectre.

Kyle recently uncovered all this when he was in deep space, but it's too late. the Yellow Impurity has used the power of the Spectre to assume mental control over all Green Lanterns, including John Stewart, Guy Gardner and Kilowog. Only Kyle Rayner has managed to resist it thus far because he's the only Green Lantern who knows fear.

The Yellow Impurity has a name--it's name is Parallax.

Critical reaction to this idea has been generally positive, but there's plenty of people who don't like the idea of a Yellow Fear Monster being responsible for Emerald Twilight. Personally, I think it's a pretty neat little bit of retconning and explains a lot of the poor writing Hal's recieved in recrent years without erasing any previous stories. And, depending upon how you want to view the Yellow Impurity, Hal is either completely absolved of all his crimes or still partially responsible for them.

Tazer

01-30-2005, 02:48 PM

Yo.

I was just thinking about this and figured Id ask here (plz remove if I put it in the wrong thread): I dont remember it being so from memeory, but did the rings have a finite energy charge along with the 24hr time limit?

I remember instances where Jon & Hal's rings would cut-out on them becuz the time was up, but never them having drained the rings of energy b4 said.

any1 have any info to share?

Tazer

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01-31-2005, 08:03 AM

The old 24 hour rings have cut out before their time limit was up on some occasions. For example, whenever Black Hand would absorb Hal's power, the ring would cut out before 24 hours was up.

CLavery

01-31-2005, 09:48 AM

I have the chance to buy Green Lantern 90,93-95,97-208,210-222,224 and Tales of the Green Lantern Corps 1,2. Thats 130 issues for £70.

Would you recommend it? Is this a good run 97-208? What creators worked on it?

Thanks

Calamas

01-31-2005, 11:22 AM

Yes.

That is, if you’re talking about the first Silver Age series, which you almost certainly are; the current one just ended at #181.

You’ll be getting the best of Green Lantern. You miss the Neal Adams stuff but those issues are too tied to the times and, consequently, are very dated. You start with Denny O’Neil and Mike Grell, and later Alex Saviek. Good solid super-heroics. I didn’t care for the Marv Wolfman stuff that followed (I can’t give exact issue numbers; this is from memory: about #130, best guess.). This was mostly with Joe Staton. The Len Wein run was okay, sometimes above average, with a big plus by having Dave Gibbons. After that you get a great Steve Englehart run, with Staton back again, which includes them turning the title into The Green Lantern Corps.

The stuff in the middle may sag, but the issues you mention are bracketed by the best that superhero comics has to offer. I don’t know how £70 translates to American dollars but in terms of quality, it’s well worth it.

CLavery

01-31-2005, 11:48 AM

Thanks.

It would be about around $140.

Is this good value for money.

P.s. Is there any good Green Lantern websites that go through and review or take a look at each issue?

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01-31-2005, 11:35 PM

Most of those issues are the very best GL has ever been outside of the early Broome/Kane stuff. You've got the reintroduction of John and Guy. You've got the earliest Kilowog stories. And the amazing Hal/Carol/Predator/Star Sapphire arc which is the story that made Hal my favorite character.

discostu

02-04-2005, 01:29 AM

Does the green lantern have any weakness'? I know the yellow thing has been retconned out of existence. Does this mean that the green lantern is invincible now?

Blueferret

02-05-2005, 04:59 PM

I think the Yellow weakness is on it's way back. It was never retconned out per se, but rather, Kyle's ring just didn't have that weakness. I'm sure someone around here can explain why it doesn't.

mckracken

02-05-2005, 05:33 PM

The Yellow Impurity has a name--it's name is Parallax.

Critical reaction to this idea has been generally positive, but there's plenty of people who don't like the idea of a Yellow Fear Monster being responsible for Emerald Twilight. Personally, I think it's a pretty neat little bit of retconning and explains a lot of the poor writing Hal's recieved in recrent years without erasing any previous stories. And, depending upon how you want to view the Yellow Impurity, Hal is either completely absolved of all his crimes or still partially responsible for them.

Thats was not pretty good. It was brilliant. The rings yellow weakness etc. it explained everything.

And I think I do know why certain select people didnt take a liking to the yellow fear thing: because the visual design is simply bad. It looks like an oversized reject from an H.R Giger drawing, that couldnt find a bad "Alien" clone to star in.

Personally, I think of that is a minor quibble.

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02-07-2005, 03:56 AM

Thats was not pretty good. It was brilliant. The rings yellow weakness etc. it explained everything.

And I think I do know why certain select people didnt take a liking to the yellow fear thing: because the visual design is simply bad. It looks like an oversized reject from an H.R Giger drawing, that couldnt find a bad "Alien" clone to star in.

Personally, I think of that is a minor quibble.

I suspect the Yellow Fear Monster tm will look substainally different depending up who draws it. I mean, something comprised of sentient fear is probably gonna appear differently depending upon who's looking at it.

discostu

02-11-2005, 03:58 AM

So does the ring have any weakness? how does the yellow weakness work? is the only other weakness possible the one in the mind of the wearer of the ring?

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02-14-2005, 01:48 PM

The ring is fuelled almost entirely by the user's force of will--and requires a hefty chunk of it for it to work at all. If a GL can be made to lose concentration for even a second, then they'd be vunerable. This is how both Hal and Kyle was taken out so many times by even the most incompetent of opponents at times. Catching a GL with their guard down is the easiest way to take one out. There was a fail-safe in the old rings that would try to protect a GL against any mortal injuries even when they weren't conscious, but the long, long list of dead GLs through the years shows that this wasn't exactly infaliable.

joeboro1

02-17-2005, 03:05 PM

Why does the old lantern guy in the JSA have such a different and unique costume then the other lanterns

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02-20-2005, 01:24 AM

Why does the old lantern guy in the JSA have such a different and unique costume then the other lanterns

Because he was never a member of the GLCorps, so he doesn't wear the green/black/white uniform that those affiliated with the Corps do.

If you want more info, you can read the beginning of the FAQ

sikkbones

03-22-2005, 04:35 PM

why does alan scott have a varation of parralax's costume in kingdom come?

satchmo the dragon

03-23-2005, 11:36 PM

Does anyone know if it was originally planned for Hal to have been infected with a disease Parallax, and that is the yellow impurity, and is what caused his hair to go white?

Forsaken_One

03-23-2005, 11:40 PM

No, I'm pretty sure that's a change in Rebirth. Hal was supposed to be all evil-like.

satchmo the dragon

03-23-2005, 11:48 PM

Matt

03-23-2005, 11:58 PM

Hal Jordan's exact age is unknown but he is a few years above 30 at the least; my best guess would have him around 38 or so.

He gained the white hair at the start of the last (currently cancelled) Green Lantern series as an indication of the editorial plan to use him as an 'elder stateman' type character. It had, at that stage, nothing to do with 'parallax'.

Kyle's lack of weakness against yellow was always assumed to be simply a case of Ganthet removing it when he removed the 24 hour time limit.

Forsaken_One

03-24-2005, 12:07 AM

So why did they start having him with white hair? In rebirth it says he is prematurely gray. How old is Hal Jordan anyway? Also is this really the first time it's been explained why yellow things are an impurity? And did they never explain why Kyle Rayner's ring didn't have the problem with yellow?
As I recall, and most of this is from what I've been told mind you, I got into comics around the post-Hal age, the white hair was an attempt to make Hal into a more middle-aged hero. Obviously this failed to make him more popular but he had not been going prematurely grey, he'd simply been around 40 years old. The yellow impurity was originally stated to be the Guardian's intentional inpurity in the OA's core in order to limit the amount of power the Green Lantern Corp could weild. Kyle's ring was also a change since there was going to be one ring and one user, as such I believe the inpurity was removed for that reason. Keep in mind his ring had other differences as well; Hal's ring had some kind of artificial intelligence, something Kyle's ring didn't have. Hal's ring ran out of power after 24 hours while Kyle's ring had a finite charge. Hal had to speak an oath in order to power up his ring for the next day while Kyle just had to have his lantern to power up. Hal's ring could supposedly be used by anyone wearing it who had enough will while Kyle's was tied to his own DNA so only he and his children (and so on and so forth) could weild it. Also Hal's ring stopped him from having any fatal injuries while Kyle's had no such ability, something to do with the aforementioned AI of the ring.

So yes, they explained Kyle's ring, though it's been a while since I read those comics so I could have some details wrong. Hal's grey hair was just age, he went psycho and killed off all the guardians and GL Corps and Sinestro as well. He took on the name Parallax himself and it was never even hinted that it might be some kind of seperate being.

But then DC decided it needed Hal back, and Geoff Johns decided he didn't want a grey-haired murdering Hal. So he created the fear monster as a deus ex machina to absolve Hal of most if not all responsibility and used it also to get rid of the grey hair. The yellow weakness being Parallax is just another explenation, just like hundreds of other retroactive continuity changes out there, and then he decided that he really liked Sinestro so Sinestro didn't really die. As of a year ago it wasn't that way. As of now it is. Welcome to comics. ;)

Argonaut

03-24-2005, 05:41 AM

Rebirth also makes certain past stories nolonger make sense.

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03-24-2005, 08:53 AM

There were actually two Emerald Twilights...

In the first Emerald Twilight that was planned, Hal was supposed to merge with the Central Power Battery and internalize his power within his own body during a civil war between two factions of Guaridans. Afterwards, when it is revealed that the Guardians were responsible for his father's death, this new Hal, in his new Darryl Banks-designed armor, was going to quit the Corps to become a wandering space hero while Kyle Rayner took his place as Earth's GL. This version was advertised with Kevin Maguire did covers and Darryl Banks began drawing pages from it.

Then, DC Editorial changed their mind and decided they wanted something more shocking, so they fired the writer of the previous story, replaced him with another writer and quickly plotted another story that had Hal going insane and murdering the Guardians and the Corps. However, this new Hal would still use the nifty Darryl Banks-designed armor from the original Emerald Twilight.

Hal went gray when it was decided to make him roughly the same age as Ollie Queen, whom Mike Grell had established as being 43 in Longbow Hunters. However, DC quickly back-tracked when Mike Carlin started getting upset that DC's heroes were considered "old" by Marvel fans.

In other words, its highly unlikely that the whole Gray-Haired Hal/Parallax/Yellow Fear Monster thing was planned from the beginning.

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03-24-2005, 08:54 AM

Rebirth also makes certain past stories nolonger make sense.

Which is exactly what Emerald Twilight did.....so its all come full circle, hasn't it?

amphetamine

03-24-2005, 09:30 AM

There were actually two Emerald Twilights...

In the first Emerald Twilight that was planned, Hal was supposed to merge with the Central Power Battery and internalize his power within his own body during a civil war between two factions of Guaridans. Afterwards, when it is revealed that the Guardians were responsible for his father's death, this new Hal, in his new Darryl Banks-designed armor, was going to quit the Corps to become a wandering space hero while Kyle Rayner took his place as Earth's GL. This version was advertised with Kevin Maguire did covers and Darryl Banks began drawing pages from it.

Then, DC Editorial changed their mind and decided they wanted something more shocking, so they fired the writer of the previous story, replaced him with another writer and quickly plotted another story that had Hal going insane and murdering the Guardians and the Corps.

I rant about how craptastic Emerald Twilight was, but frankly, I don't think I could have gotten behind the original version much more. Seems to leave itself open to too many "Hallo. My name is Hal Jordan. You killed my father. Prepare to die" jokes.

stealthwise

03-24-2005, 11:05 AM

Man, I forgot how much I loved that old armour that Hal took on himself. DC should have gone with Plan A.

Forsaken_One

03-24-2005, 11:09 AM

Man, I forgot how much I loved that old armour that Hal took on himself. DC should have gone with Plan A.
It certainly would have been less trouble.

satchmo the dragon

03-24-2005, 11:29 AM

I think it's a good retcon. It didn't make sense to me when I was reading Twilight. Why would Hal be doing this? Seemed out of character, even with coast city destroyed. Now it makes sense. Rebirth is good stuff, IMO.

Kistler

03-24-2005, 06:47 PM

Matt

03-24-2005, 07:31 PM

I'm assuming that even with the wee yellow beastie in the Central Battery that the Guardians still retained the ability to remove the yellow weakness from a small number of Power Rings.

Captain Jim

03-24-2005, 09:55 PM

Hal had to speak an oath in order to power up his ring for the next day while Kyle just had to have his lantern to power up.

Uh, no, I don't think so. He said an oath, yes, but he didn't really *have* to.

Forsaken_One

03-24-2005, 10:22 PM

Uh, no, I don't think so. He said an oath, yes, but he didn't really *have* to.
Really? Every time I saw him he spoke an oath, I figured it was one of the Guardian's requirements. It was commented on a lot in the early Kyle GL that he didn't have to say an oath too. And while I know it's not cannon Red Son had Luthor "crack" the passphrase for the GL Lantern to power up the ring.

Bored at 3:00AM

03-25-2005, 06:07 AM

I'm assuming that even with the wee yellow beastie in the Central Battery that the Guardians still retained the ability to remove the yellow weakness from a small number of Power Rings.

Yep.

I think they tried to remove the yellow weakness from his ring, but it allowed Parallax to infect Yulan Gur, which is actually what caused him to go crazy.

Trueblade

03-25-2005, 06:56 AM

Really? Every time I saw him he spoke an oath, I figured it was one of the Guardian's requirements. It was commented on a lot in the early Kyle GL that he didn't have to say an oath too. And while I know it's not cannon Red Son had Luthor "crack" the passphrase for the GL Lantern to power up the ring.

The Oath was not necessary - it was just a ritual. During the early issues of the latest GL series, Hal went back out on the road to discover himself and America (a revisit of places he had seen in the Hard Travelling Heroes days). During that time, he tried to live without really being Green Lantern. He still wore the ring, still charged and still used it for trivial things (e.g., he shaved with it), but he was trying to be Hal Jordan instead of Green Lantern.

During that time, one of the GL trappings he dropped was saying the Oath. He'd just stand with his ring to the battery and count down how long it would have taken to say the oath. In fact, it was a great dramatic device when Hal finally stepped back into the Green Lantern role and recited the oath.

As for going prematurely grey... my temples were almost as grey as Hal's when I turned 30 - at 36, there is more grey in my temples than brown. *shrug*

Argonaut

03-25-2005, 08:02 AM

Yep.

I think they tried to remove the yellow weakness from his ring, but it allowed Parallax to infect Yulan Gur, which is actually what caused him to go crazy.

How did you come to that conclusion since the yellow bug monster wasn't awake then?

Blue Spider

03-25-2005, 11:58 AM

To be fair though, they started retconning the gray hair as "premature" a WHILE ago. in GL SECRET FILES Guy Gardner talks about "with all that stress, no wonder he went prematurely gray." it was mentioned a few more times over the yeras in GL and then in JLA INCARNATIONS #3, Hal tells Oliver Queen (back in the early Satellite Days) that he's actually started coloring his hair because of the gray that's been appearing in it and Ollie is suprised considering Hal's "a bit young" for that.

Otherwise, you're entirely right. And as much as I enjoy Rebirth, it also entirely negates Alan Scott's origin involving Yalan Gur, a GL who had his yellow weakness removed because he was such a cool guy. With the new explanation of Parallax and that the yellow weakness is inherent in the Central Battery not just every ring, I don't see how Yalan Gur's ring could just have the weakness removed. :-P

That Yalan Gur stuff is crap, Kistler, and I'm ashamed of you for sticking to it. The only Alan Ladd Scott origin I subscribe to involves the Starheart and the Guardians gathering all of the magic in the DC Universe and trapping it into one freaking stone.... a piece of which fell to the earth, flamed twice, one of which granting life, another death, and third.... POWER!

Actually, from what I've read from over forty years of comics, the yellow impurity is something in the power source and the rings that is not intentional! The Guardians can't remove it! CAN'T. It's neccessary so that the rings have unlimited power. In order for the rings to have unlimited power for 24 hours they must recharge and the impurity is the sacrifice to make it function.

Kyle's ring doesn't have the yellow weakness or the 24-hour limitation but also remember that he doesn't have access to unlimited power either. He has a fixed supply of energy and once the ring is drained he has to recharge. Hal could literally overpower Kyle as neccessary in a 23-hour or less battle... after all, Kyle's ring has a finite energy charge.

There was also an issue where during the Corps days the rings had an AI in them. Kyle's ring doesn't have that.

Malvolio didn't connect to the battery so he didn't have a yellow weakness, and Hal/Parallax.... sucked the battery dry? Either way he didn't have it. But I understand the yellow weakness as it is.

CJA

Kevinroc

03-25-2005, 12:03 PM

Kyle's ring will always have a little bit of power, no matter what. After his stint as Ion, Kyle changed his ring a little so that it could always come back to him and that it would always have a little bit of reserve power in case of an emergency.

Matt

03-25-2005, 02:48 PM

That Yalan Gur stuff is crap, Kistler, and I'm ashamed of you for sticking to it.

Play nice, please.

The only Alan Ladd Scott origin I subscribe to involves the Starheart and the Guardians gathering all of the magic in the DC Universe and trapping it into one freaking stone.... a piece of which fell to the earth, flamed twice, one of which granting life, another death, and third.... POWER!

Which still happened. The only difference is that as a piece of the Starheart fell to Earth, it hit the falling remains of Yalan Gur's power Battery on the way.

Actually, from what I've read from over forty years of comics, the yellow impurity is something in the power source and the rings that is not intentional! The Guardians can't remove it! CAN'T.

A pity they can and have.

There was also an issue where during the Corps days the rings had an AI in them. Kyle's ring doesn't have that.

As of rebirth and the reconstitution of the Central Battery, it does.

Malvolio didn't connect to the battery so he didn't have a yellow weakness

Malvolio, like Priest, didn't connect to the Central Battery because they both connected straight to the Green (their name for the willpower spectrum of energy). Priest said as much when he was doing his Yoda thing with Hal.

and Hal/Parallax.... sucked the battery dry? Either way he didn't have it.

That would be because the yellow weakness was, by that point, solidly a part of him. Integrated into his very being - it only makes sense that the weakness no longer applied to him.

Forsaken_One

03-25-2005, 03:05 PM

One thing I'm curious about, if anyone can answer this (though there's not really enough information for a conclusive answer). So, okay, Hal and the other GLs use their willpower to make green energy (the energy of will) do what they want, right? The more willpower they have the more powerful they are; at least that's what I've always got.

So now they're saying that yellow energy is the color and power of fear? So the Quardian ring, Sinestro's that created Yellow energy, is powered by fear. Does that mean Sinestro and Guy Gardener were constantly afraid when wearing the ring in order to power it, and the more afraid they are the more power it gets? That seems... weird.

Matt

03-25-2005, 03:31 PM

lonewolf23k

03-25-2005, 03:34 PM

I can see where you're coming from but I believe you're mistaken.

Guy and Sinestro still need supreme concentration (and willpower) to use the Yellow Power Rings - the only difference being that the rings tap the yellow spectrum of energy as opposed to the green.

I think the difference in that spectrum is whether or not you're using the energy out of the desire to harm someone, rather then protect others. ...Which you can still do, but not as eagerly as harming. ...It fits Guy's personality, as he can be as aggressive as Sinestro.

Ian J.N.

03-25-2005, 03:57 PM

So now they're saying that yellow energy is the color and power of fear? So the Quardian ring, Sinestro's that created Yellow energy, is powered by fear. Does that mean Sinestro and Guy Gardener were constantly afraid when wearing the ring in order to power it, and the more afraid they are the more power it gets? That seems... weird.
Maybe it's not fear from the ringwielder, but fear from whom the ring is being used against.

Traditionally, the Qwardian ring got its juice by siphoning from the GL energy. Said Sinestro in Rebirth #4: "I never fathomed that the impurity was alive. That my Qwardian ring was tapping into sentient fear." Evidently, the power came from Parallax itself.

Argonaut

03-25-2005, 04:20 PM

Maybe it's not fear from the ringwielder, but fear from whom the ring is being used against.

Traditionally, the Qwardian ring got its juice by siphoning from the GL energy. Said Sinestro in Rebirth #4: "I never fathomed that the impurity was alive. That my Qwardian ring was tapping into sentient fear." Evidently, the power came from Parallax itself.

There is still one hole in that theory. During the last battle between Kyle and Nero, Nero was able to siphon off of Kyle's ring yet there was never a yellow fear monster in the source that Kyle was accessing (which was just pure green energy trapped in the sun).

Blue Spider

03-25-2005, 04:38 PM

Play nice, please.

Not only is playing nice not my style.... but Alan's my buddy... I think I can be ashamed of 'im.

Which still happened. The only difference is that as a piece of the Starheart fell to Earth, it hit the falling remains of Yalan Gur's power Battery on the way.

Yes, and Hal Jordan is an alcoholic and nurses a fear of heights.

A pity they can and have.

Yes, and Hal Jordan is an alcoholic and nurses a fear of heights.

Ian J.N.

03-25-2005, 05:32 PM

There is still one hole in that theory. During the last battle between Kyle and Nero, Nero was able to siphon off of Kyle's ring yet there was never a yellow fear monster in the source that Kyle was accessing (which was just pure green energy trapped in the sun).
Good point. Let's see... Well, considering that the Qwardians who designed the ring were unaware of Parallax's existence, it's reasonable to assume that the ring is capable of siphoning and/or converting non-Parallax GL energy. Despite this capability, however, the majority of the ring's power still comes from fear—either stored, ambient, or via a connection to Parallax.

Yeah, I got nothin'.

Re: Removing the impurity from Yalan Gur's ring—It's reasonable to assume that the Guardians could arrange for at least ONE impurity-free ring. A separate power source, maybe. Partitioned the hard-drive?

Retcons are fun.

Matt

03-25-2005, 05:56 PM

Not only is playing nice not my style....

It is a basic expectation of these forums that all users remain civil and non-insulting to each other.

Yes, and Hal Jordan is an alcoholic and nurses a fear of heights.

The difference between those elements and the Yalan Gur origin is that while one makes sense and fits seamlessly into the GL mythos, the other two have been (thankfully) forgotten and swept under the proverbial rug never to be mentioned again.

Captain Jim

03-25-2005, 07:37 PM

Alan's my buddy... I think I can be ashamed of 'im.

I hear you, but how is anybody else to know that? Wink or something when you make a comment like that, so we know where you're coming from. :)

satchmo the dragon

03-25-2005, 10:20 PM

Oh and I thought Kilowog was dead?

Forsaken_One

03-25-2005, 10:24 PM

Oh and I thought Kilowog was dead?
He was brought back in the pages of Kyle Rayner's GL. It was a whole boring complex thingy but the end result is him being back.

Matt

03-25-2005, 10:30 PM

Well, technically he was brought back in Green Lantern: Lagacy - The Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan.

But what happened in that in regards to Kilowog was wrapped up in the regular series.

Forsaken_One

03-25-2005, 10:55 PM

Well, technically he was brought back in Green Lantern: Lagacy - The Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan.

But what happened in that in regards to Kilowog was wrapped up in the regular series.
Well okay, but he was turned normal colored in the pages of GL. ;) That multicolored robo-alien thing wasn't for him.

Blue Spider

03-26-2005, 01:26 AM

I hear you, but how is anybody else to know that? Wink or something when you make a comment like that, so we know where you're coming from. :)

Oh no. This happens all the time. I go up to a friend, make a comment that's utterly acceptable and quite funny between us and the rest of the room makes this whole big sociopolitically correct GASP how dare you say something like that to him!?

Frankly I like my way better. If I hadn't had early encounters with the dude then I'd have no way or manner to be ashamed of him. That's like expecting a Romanian immigrant who's been here for five days to be ashamed of Pauly Shore, whereas only us longtime, home-grown, been-here-forever Americans really have reason to be ashamed of him.... or of having him.

I never tailor my responses or my statements for public consumption or for anyone whom I'm not usually ashamed of. Yes, of course, you are correct that I should've engaged that darned wink emoticon. I hate netiquette; it all seems so gimmicky or kitschy at times and leaves no room for attempts at real inferences and implications. Rather than guessing where I mean something I have to have an emoticon. Subtlty-killing customs those are.

and that's part of why I hate the Yulan Gur thing.... for two reasons:

1) it complicates up something extra what is an already complicated origin. and it's a worthless complication that adds absolutely nothing to Alan Scott's history or story, especially given that no one had ever heard of this backstory until well after the formative years of Jade, Obsidian, or Earth's original Green Lantern.

2) it tosses more questions into the air than answers regarding the restrictions that the Guardians were saddled with regarding their own tools. What were the limitations of how the Guardians could manipulate the Green energy? It gets harder to say as they throw in stories like this.

It's hard to guess what GL stories are even totally canonical anyway, so it's a bloody give and take what GL stories I want to choose as part of my continuity and that even lies in the hands of the writers.

As the Post-Crisis era began to touch GL they handed him some cruddy origin tales and some horrible angst. His father died. Hal was an alcoholic.

Then Hal went through this thing where he got the ultra-cliched arrangement where his mentor was the guy who would become his worst enemy. The Guardians trained the Lanterns. That negated a whole mess of Silver Age stories where Hal actually learns some stuff as he goes rather than just being told like a schmuck.

Then his series was hidden in Action Comics Weekly where we got the questionable choice of the revelation that his ring lobotomied him to remove all fear, and without its meddling Hal Jordan test pilot was afraid of heights.

Ron Marz rewrote some stuff so that instead of Hal being good honorable man Hal the Boy Scout he was at least in part a loose cannon. It was editorial fiat I'm sure and not totally his fault. I know that Marz did a good thing a neutralized part of Emerald Dawn and make Hal an ex-Air Force dude again.

and Gerard Jones is the last guy to mention Malvolio. Priest is just gone. Were these canon as they were presented? Who bloody cares exactly?

I think the Yalun Gur stuff was crap. I'm ignoring it. and any insistance otherwise goes in the pile with "Green Lantern, the super hero who flies jets for a living, is afraid of heights".

I'm so glad that Sinestro is back.

CJA

Matt

03-26-2005, 03:24 AM

1) it complicates up something extra what is an already complicated origin.

Complicated? Odd.
I've always found Alan Scott's origin to be fairly straight forward; it's not like he's the son of another hero and the clone of his dead wife from an alternate future that doesn't exist and was raised by his parents in different bodies or anything.
Basically, he found a magic lantern and made a Ring.

and it's a worthless complication that adds absolutely nothing to Alan Scott's history or story

It does, however, tie off a loose end in the entire GL mythos by making a link to the Guardians and the GLC. It also explains how Alan, by sheer coincidence, was called Green Lantern and had a Power Ring and Battery so similar to the Corps.

2) it tosses more questions into the air than answers regarding the restrictions that the Guardians were saddled with regarding their own tools. What were the limitations of how the Guardians could manipulate the Green energy? It gets harder to say as they throw in stories like this.

Again: Odd. It seemed to clear things up for me. The Guardians, their motivations and limitations have always been clouded in mystery - which seems to be the way the Guardians want it. They lie out their rears to get people to do what they want and it usually works for them.
However, the story of Yalan Gur's demise didn't come from the Guardians ... it came straight from Alan Scott's own Power Battery so chances are the story is true.

As the Post-Crisis era began to touch GL they handed him some cruddy origin tales and some horrible angst. His father died. Hal was an alcoholic.

The father dying thing wasn't too bad. Hal was never called an alcholic - he had exactly one incident. Most people get pulled over for drink driving once in their life and they don't get labelled alchoholics.
Of course, that's one thing which has been pushed away because it was pretty awful.

Then his series was hidden in Action Comics Weekly where we got the questionable choice of the revelation that his ring lobotomied him to remove all fear, and without its meddling Hal Jordan test pilot was afraid of heights.

More factors which have been swept under the rug of forgetfulness. They've never been brought up again, which is just fine.

Your opinion on the tie in of Alan Scott to the Guardians is fine; you're entitled to it. However, I hold that the premise for the basis of your opinion is flawed.