How long until the first Ultimate Resurection?

[TheAmazingSpiderfan]

Its the age old rule that almost nobody stays dead in comics. Marvel seems to be feircely sticking to their rule that once an ultimate character is dead they stay that way. While I fully appreciate this and thinks it helps make death in comics relevant, I wonder how long this will stick for. I am not even sure if its something they are choosing officially to do or if they simply haven't gotten around to bringing people back.

[Jake V]

Unless it was something planned from the begining of a specific story arc, I predict that Beast will be the first to come back, if any dead characters come back at all.

[malephoenix]

I know everyone else and their dog has already said it, but Hammerhead came back - with no explanation...

[Jake V]

I know everyone else and their dog has already said it, but Hammerhead came back - with no explanation...
There's a perectly good explanation.

Austen wrote a crap story featuring a crap character and it got ignored.

[Chinchalinchin]

I know everyone else and their dog has already said it, but Hammerhead came back - with no explanation...

Actually, his explanation was, after being asked, "Aren't you dead?", "Been there, didn't like it." or something along those lines.

And Jake V, I actually liked the Gambit introduction arc, whatever it was called.

[Captain Manhatten]

Its the age old rule that almost nobody stays dead in comics. Marvel seems to be feircely sticking to their rule that once an ultimate character is dead they stay that way. While I fully appreciate this and thinks it helps make death in comics relevant, I wonder how long this will stick for. I am not even sure if its something they are choosing officially to do or if they simply haven't gotten around to bringing people back.

I think it depends on how long they intend the Ultimate Universe to last. If it is going to have a run of ten years or so and then end and they only kill off secondstring characters, it might last. If they intend it to run as long as 616, they'll start doing it.

[Beast]

We already had a legitimate one, Psylocke. :)

[nervmeister]

And if Ultimate Apocalypse in fact turns out to be real, then something tells me more of our recently deceased will be back to say hello.

[Beast]

And if Ultimate Apocalypse in fact turns out to be real, then something tells me more of our recently deceased will be back to say hello.
Or the Magician will alter reality and bring them back. ;) :D

[nervmeister]

Or the Magician will alter reality and bring them back. ;) :DThat too. But that would be one of the cheapest plot devices in comicdom.

[kudlaty_true]

Heh. It only depends on change of creative team, and that's just idiocy. One writer hate one character, so he have no problem with killing it. The other team starts their run on the title and they like the char, and then bringing him back is just a matter of "how we do it", instead of: "Do we do it". This is actually one of small amount of reasons why one creative team is better on one title than many of them. I mean, give me any character that died and have been resurrected in the same run of one writer. (seriously, I ask you if there was any example like this?)
And in case of Hammerhead, I think it was sloppines of Bendis. He probably didn't eaven read UXM (which was kind of proven in the Deadpool arc) and drew himself an enemy in Warriors arc.

[DBZ MAN]

I hate ressurections. Characters who are dead should stay dead even if they died in a sucky way. Otherwise it just takes out all the empthasis on the story and development of the character and the characters effected. If it happened in the Ultimate Universe, I would have to say I'd be abit cheesed off to say the least.

[Captain Morgan]

Well, basically we have had already:

Sabretooth (or was this retcon?)
Hammerhead (I don't really care, but some explanation would be nice)
Psylocke (I don't count this one, since we had to get asian Betsy anyway)
General Ross (I don't get why they had to, couldn't you have just have easily replaced him?)


My money is on Gambit. I mean, we still have his soul in Rogue's body. I think that it is inevitable that he comes back, and I hope he does.

[Sandoz]

My money is on Gambit. I mean, we still have his soul in Rogue's body. I think that it is inevitable that he comes back, and I hope he does.
His soul isn't in her body, just like Ms. Marvel's wasn't in 616 Rogue's. She just imprinted his personality.

I hope Gambit never comes back. The Gambit-inside-Rogue subplot is much more interesting as it is.

[Captain Morgan]

His soul isn't in her body, just like Ms. Marvel's wasn't in 616 Rogue's. She just imprinted his personality.

I hope Gambit never comes back. The Gambit-inside-Rogue subplot is much more interesting as it is.

Actually, I didn't interpret it that way. I was under the impression that because of the presence of the Cytorrak gem, her absorbtion took a different path. I thought Gambit going on about magic hinted at it. I could be wrong though.

[Toboe]

Well, basically we have had already:

Sabretooth (or was this retcon?)
Hammerhead (I don't really care, but some explanation would be nice)
Psylocke (I don't count this one, since we had to get asian Betsy anyway)
General Ross (I don't get why they had to, couldn't you have just have easily replaced him?)


My money is on Gambit. I mean, we still have his soul in Rogue's body. I think that it is inevitable that he comes back, and I hope he does.


I believe Sabretooth was retcon, since we never saw the body nor we saw the head being cut off clean, and you know how the crappy rule goes, "if there's no body, the guy isn't dead" or aomething like that.
Hammerhead's resurrection was kind of explained in the letter column of USM, and they said that since he received a bullet in the head on the Warriors arc and was fine about it, Gambit's powers wouldn't have hurt him so much or something like that. So, he is a mutant or has adamantium skull.
Agree with Psylocke's new look, and I also totally hate that General Ross was not dead (thank a lot UFF ¬¬ this is exactly the kind of stuff that makes me hate you). I mean, on Ultimates they talk about him as if he was dead...

[Captain Morgan]

Yeah, I don't get why they needed Ross. Considering all he is known for in 616 is Hulk chasing, why do you need him for UFF?

[The Foreigner]

I believe Sabretooth was retcon, since we never saw the body nor we saw the head being cut off clean, and you know how the crappy rule goes, "if there's no body, the guy isn't dead" or aomething like that.

If the writer left it ambiguous as to whether or not the character died, and then he returns, continuity is not being changed retroactively. I didn't read this far into UXM so I can't really judge, but I don't think I'd quite consider this a retcon.

To be honest, I think the term retcon is tossed around too often these days; too many people don't even know what it means. How exactly were Magneto's actions in Planet X a retcon? I don't see it...

[Captain Morgan]

Actually, I think it technically was. Wolverine decapitated Sabretooth. It was later changed to "nearly decapitated".

[Harold of the Rocks]

Actually, I think it technically was. Wolverine decapitated Sabretooth. It was later changed to "nearly decapitated".Ultimate near-decapitations. Slightly worse (only slightly) than Ultimate near-castrations, which in turn are definitely better than Ultimate castrations... so I have heard. ;)

[Captain Morgan]

Ultimate near-decapitations. Slightly worse (only slightly) than Ultimate near-castrations, which in turn are definitely better than Ultimate castrations... so I have heard. ;)

Well, to be fair, Sabretooth would have re-grown his balls. ;)

[Ogrebear]

As much as I like Beast I think that in Ultimate noone should come back from the dead, it makes the universe feel more 'real' than 616. People should also get old, celebrate birthdays, and other things that make the timeline feel like it moves on- no 'Marvel Time' for the Ultimate Universe please!

[malephoenix]

As much as I like Beast I think that in Ultimate noone should come back from the dead, it makes the universe feel more 'real' than 616. People should also get old, celebrate birthdays, and other things that make the timeline feel like it moves on- no 'Marvel Time' for the Ultimate Universe please!

Sounds like GeNext is for you.

[TheAmazingSpiderfan]

Sadly I can't speak for general Ross, but the others ones I am not sure I would count as resurections since I am not entirely sure they died.

Sabertooth is a fine line, but since he does have Marvel's classic cop-out healing factor there is (arguably) a reasonable explanation.

I am not sure it actually says anywhere that Hammerhead is actually dead. Bendis weakly covered this but has a point. He is called hammerhead for a reason.

And Psylocke wasn't so much a resurection as it was a case of body-snatching.

[riotgear]

Don't forget the Professor guy from Weapon X, who supposedly died in the copter crash.

[Korinthian]

I thought Nightcrawler saved him.

[DarkSoldier]

and I also totally hate that General Ross was not dead (thank a lot UFF ¬¬ this is exactly the kind of stuff that makes me hate you). I mean, on Ultimates they talk about him as if he was dead...
In UFF, it's mentioned that he woke up on the autopsy table and told the coroner, "Hands off my precious bodily fluids!"

I love that line.

[nervmeister]

Don't forget the Professor guy from Weapon X, who supposedly died in the copter crash.You're talking about Wraith, right?

[sgt pepper]

You're talking about Wraith, right?

No, the scientist who turned Beast blue.

[Captain Morgan]

The "death" pepper is referring to is in the ark where Death Strike is introduced.

[littleredhat]

Hi I'm the new girl.:)

I think the Ultimate death rule should be,no one who's had an open casket funeral should show up for breakfast one day. :p

[Captain Morgan]

His soul isn't in her body, just like Ms. Marvel's wasn't in 616 Rogue's. She just imprinted his personality.

I hope Gambit never comes back. The Gambit-inside-Rogue subplot is much more interesting as it is.

Sorry to bring this back up, but I just remembered why else this isn't like when she absorbed Ms. Marvel. She lost her leech powers. I don't think that should be permanent. So I think that they should have fun with the idea for a while, but eventually bring Gambit back.

[Ontir]

I think the first, and possibly the only, will be when Jean finally becomes Phoenix.

It'd be interesting to do something with Beast though. I was really annoyed that he was killed. They should've done something interesting with him, other than turning him blue, and killing him off!

[Kage Kisaragi]

well they did give him Storm, (Mega props point there.) 2 they gave him interslut blob! lol (no props there but still funny as hell.) 3 he did was considered cute by Jean and Storm.