Detective or Batman which new run will be better [Archive]

Chudy

05-18-2006, 07:16 AM

I'm looking foward to Dini's run for Detective Comics. I can't forget about some Batman: TAS episodes with his scenario (Heart of Ice, The Man Who Killed Batman, Almost Got 'Im and Second Chance (I almost cry, when I saw this episode first time)), espesially the best Batman animation ever - The Mask of the Phantasm [he was co-writer, but whatever. By the way.... Someone remember that film?]. I will see arts by J. H. Williams III. He did (and do still) an incredible job in Desolation Jones...

About Morrison... I worried about his run in Batman. Grant did awesome work in Arkham Asylum, but in this graphic novel he create "his" batman. I just can't see his scenarios for Batman from continuum. Also Kubert and his superhero stuff.... I don't like, when Batman is drawing like typical superhero, with muscles as big as water melon.

Mia

05-18-2006, 09:23 AM

I'm going with Dini because he's a much more straightforward story teller. While I like the ideas that Morisson has thrown out and his resepct for Batman. He more than not he just seems to be weird for the sake of being weird. And I have also found his stuff to border on being pretentious.

DarthAstuart

05-18-2006, 09:55 AM

i'm excited for BOTH of them.

morrison I think will give us inventive episodic storytelling that really dives into Batman's rich history while delivering new thrills and chills every month. if he can maintain the Bat's new attitude and bring back some of that seventies "love god" incarnation--the hairy-chested, Neal Adams version--I think it will be mad fun.

dini looks to be focusing on done-in-one detective stories, which I think is AWESOME. detective comics will truly live up to its name, and I can't wait to savor these well-written and beautifully illustrated tales each month.

i think for once we may actually get a diversity of batmans on the stands--reflecting the many interpretations of him over the decades as well as the many interpretations yet to come--and that will be so refreshing.

am I too gushy? sue me. it's freaking early. but yeah, i'm excited.

Nonentity

05-18-2006, 10:05 AM

Morrison had me at 'ninja Man-Bats'. I mean, Dini is a great writer and all, but....ninja man-bats!

Brack360

05-18-2006, 11:32 AM

I'm excited for both of them, but if I had to pick just one I'd pick Dini.

algertman

05-18-2006, 12:44 PM

Looking forward to both of them

Morrison leads the pack though

ShaggyB

05-18-2006, 05:15 PM

Morrison had me at 'ninja Man-Bats'. I mean, Dini is a great writer and all, but....ninja man-bats!

hell yes, ninja man-bats Im in just to see the s#$% hit the fan on that one

Nick Kal

05-18-2006, 10:41 PM

Morrison!!! That being said, Dini's self contained issues are definitely going to be something to behold.

Babylon23

05-19-2006, 08:55 AM

Honestly, I find it very difficult to call this one. Whenever Morrison takes over a book, I know I'm in for something thought-provoking and innovative. However, Dini has shown through his work on Batman: TAS that he fully comprehends the character of Batman, his villains, and his supporting cast.

If I had to pick one, I'd say Dini probably gets the edge. I love Batman as a detective, and Dini self-contained mysteries sound like old-school Detective Comics stories.

Lex

05-19-2006, 09:08 AM

It's hard to choose between the two. Dini's Detective is going to be done-in-one detective mysteries with awesome art. And Morrison's Batman is going to be Batman as an action-packed, superhero with pretty good art.

My instinct is to automatically say Morrison because I love his writing, but I'm looking forward to Dini's run just as much.

filthysize

05-19-2006, 09:23 AM

Who cares which one is better? I'm getting both, and even if one has a slight edge the other one will still be awesome.

The Xenos

05-19-2006, 10:39 AM

I liked Morrison's Batman in JLA. Dunno how he will work in Gotham. I've loved Dini's work and can't wait for that. I'm a bit more favored toward Dini.

OverMaster

05-19-2006, 10:49 AM

hell yes, ninja man-bats Im in just to see the s#$% hit the fan on that one

Am I the only one here who gets slightly bad vibes out of thinking of ninja Man-Bats?

algertman

05-19-2006, 10:58 AM

Am I the only one here who gets slightly bad vibes out of thinking of ninja Man-Bats?

Yes, yes you are ;)

OverMaster

05-19-2006, 11:09 AM

Yes, yes you are ;)

It will be interesting to see how a giant hairy creature with huge wings can be as stealthy as a ninja. :D

Agent0

05-19-2006, 02:16 PM

I say bring on the Ninja Man-Bats :D. Though I'm definitely looking forward to seeing Batman return to his detective roots I have to say I'm little more excited for Morrison.

the film freak

05-20-2006, 11:55 PM

I'm in agreement with the Ninja Man Bat contingent. Bring on the wacky shit Grant.

the film freak

05-21-2006, 12:01 AM

It will be interesting to see how a giant hairy creature with huge wings can be as stealthy as a ninja. :D

They are probably more stealthy then these chaps...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e2/TMNTMoviePoster.jpg

Young Avenger

05-21-2006, 12:06 AM

As a huge fan of Batman: TAS, I look foward to Paul Dini's run on Detective comics more.

pauwoo

05-21-2006, 05:59 AM

Dini on Detective.

How long is Moriison on Batman so i can ignore it?

The Shadow

05-21-2006, 11:09 AM

soda

05-21-2006, 05:41 PM

I'm so looking forward to Dini on 'tec, it's probably my single most anticipated upcoming project ever. I read about it for the first time during my lunch break at work, and when I found out Paul Dini was taking over 'tec, I was so happy, I nearly leaped out of my chair, needless to say, this caused me a bit of embarrassment as I had to explain to my co-workers what I was so hyped about. To me, Paul Dini on 'tec is the single most obvious idea ever, it should have totally happened ten years ago, and I'm just trying to figure out what took DC this long to make it happen.

Morrison on Batman? I'm totally there, like a lot of posters on here, he had me at "ninja man-bats", I'm going to be getting both 'tec and Batman when Morrison and Dini take over. This is the kind of creative face-lift Batman has needed over the last three years of post-HUSH crap (excepting the Robinson stories). Batman had become really unreadable under the reign of Winnick and Liebermann, thank God that's over! My vote for most anticipated has to go to Dini on 'tec over Morrison on Batman, but both of those are lineups that make this fan smile, and happy that the rainy days of crap Batman comics are over, and that the sun has finally come out to shine.

the film freak

05-21-2006, 09:58 PM

Dini on Detective.

How long is Moriison on Batman so i can ignore it?

I think he was talking 15 issues. Which I can't wait for. I haven't read a regular Batman book in years and now I'll be reading two!

MarvelKnight

05-21-2006, 10:28 PM

I prefer the Detective Comics, I've been only reading Detective Comics the past three years.

Young Avenger

05-21-2006, 10:47 PM

I think he was talking 15 issues. Which I can't wait for. I haven't read a regular Batman book in years and now I'll be reading two!

I believe the Wizard article said he already had the first 15 issues planned for his run. I believe he'll have a lengthy stay on Batman.

Nick Kal

05-21-2006, 11:34 PM

I think he was talking 15 issues. Which I can't wait for. I haven't read a regular Batman book in years and now I'll be reading two!

He has 15 planned issues so far... He'll have a long run!

Apathy Boy

05-22-2006, 02:51 PM

I like Morrison's talk about returning Bruce Wayne to his hairy-chested, sex god persona from the Neil Adams era. That's what Bruce Wayne should be. However, I've not loved any of Morrison's previous work on the character, nor am I a huge fan of Andy Kubert. Previews of their first issue haven't instilled me with a lot of confidence either.

By contrast, Dini and Williams III are known quantities. I'm going with DETECTIVE all the way.

Calamas

05-22-2006, 04:05 PM

Doesn’t matter. Both will be miles better than anything in the five years preceding the current James Robinson arc.

the goddamn batman

05-22-2006, 09:04 PM

Am I the only one here who gets slightly bad vibes out of thinking of ninja Man-Bats?

No, I'm with you on that one. Sounds really silly to me. All-Star is overboard, but ninja Man-Bats is the greatest thing ever? I don't get comic fans, I really don't.

Dini, hands down. Williams art looks light years better than anything either of the Kuberts have ever done.

Curious to see it in color. The B&W samples were BRILLINT!!!

Dini has proven his worth on Batman TAS. Morrison was great in AA, his JLA has escaped me but, I'll check out his Bat-run.

Ironluke5

05-22-2006, 10:49 PM

gloss

05-24-2006, 07:37 AM

All-Star is overboard, but ninja Man-Bats is the greatest thing ever?
Well put. *g*

I do think there's a difference, though. Miller's ASBAR is overboard both in scenario and warping of the characters (his Batman is, basically, unrecognizable to me). Of course we'll need to wait to see how Morrison integrates the ninja Man-Bats into the story, but an absurd element isn't the same thing as craptastic characterization.

That said, I'm looking forward to Dini's run on 'tec more than I am to Morrison's, and that's solely because I *don't* care for the whole Talia 'n kid element.

Horror Business

05-24-2006, 08:05 AM

They are probably more stealthy then these chaps...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e2/TMNTMoviePoster.jpg

i love that catchy tagline.

Nonentity

05-24-2006, 08:23 AM

I do think there's a difference, though. Miller's ASBAR is overboard both in scenario and warping of the characters (his Batman is, basically, unrecognizable to me). Of course we'll need to wait to see how Morrison integrates the ninja Man-Bats into the story, but an absurd element isn't the same thing as craptastic characterization.

I don't know about the rest of you, but if Frank were to write ninja man-bats into the next issue of All-Star, I would have to perform blood sacrifices in his honor.

"What are you, [Insert man-bat noise]!? Are you [Insert man-bat noise]!? We're the goddamn ninja man-bats!

You know, Frank should have all characters introduce themselves that way.

Andy S.

05-24-2006, 10:09 AM

Paul Dini for me. I'll probably give Morrison's run a try, but I'd love to have a Bats book that focuses on single-issue stories. I look forward to seeing how Dini pulls it off.

GoGo Yubari

05-24-2006, 10:13 AM

I liked Morrison's take on Batman in JLA Classified (the man had a SCI-FI CLOSET) and in his JLA work in general. However, I'm very stoked to see Dini's run, especially his Riddler arc.

Solario

05-24-2006, 12:50 PM

I think the most distinct difference between Miller's ASBAR and Morrison's upcoming Batman is that Morrison stays true to the characters, while still incorporating the absurd elements of comics, whereas Miller just mangles the characters and their general nature completely.

That being said I'm psyched for both, but I sort of wish JH Williams was on Morrison and we got another equally good on Dini's. I'm not a Kubert fan and I think Morrison's writing and JH's more playful storytelling (such as page 5 in Desolation Jones #1 and the fiddling that was done with the panels in Promethea). In my little fantasy land in my mind Dini's script would be illustrated by Eduardo Risso, Sean Phillips or Duncan Fegredo.

eldanielfire

06-02-2006, 05:10 AM

Morrisons liek all his runs will probably start out stella but like all his runs on a comic will run out of steam after the first 2 or 3 story arcs and become a muddled mess with the promise of a "Big deaths and big blockbuster story telling" as the stories get sucked up their own arse.

So morrison initally but Dini.

PanzerMega

06-04-2006, 12:29 PM

If I had to choose one...Morrison. I'm pretty sure he used his chaos magic to make me crave everything he writes.

But luckily I don't have to choose, so bring on Dini too.

Wow, I'm looking forward to Batman comics...it's been a while.

jam37wcc

06-04-2006, 06:13 PM

What I don't get is how Ninga Man-Bats is so great but over in Marvel ningas show up in New Avengers and it is supposed to be the worst thing ever even though they're dealing with a group that is basically ningas.

That being said I am looking forward to Dini's more because I still have yet to be in utter awe of Morrison's stuff like alot of others. I'll buy both though.