All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder #4 (spoilers)

[Nessor Sille]

Bruce wants Dick to eat rats.

Dick doesn't want to eat rats.

Alfred gives Dick a burger and some fries, causing a spat between Bruce and Alfred over the rat-eating thing.

Vicki Vale may be dying.

Superman is- Running somewhere, upset about something.

Bruce has grown a five o' clock shadow.

So, d'ya think the A.S.B.A.R.T.B.W. version of the Ratcatcher will be the first villain Robin fights, given the emphasis on rat-catching? Hmmm?

Edit: Spelling corrected.

[Mia]

As bad as this issue was. I couldn't help but chuckle at the derogatory way that Batman spoke about Superman refering to him as that 'Idiot in Metropolis'. Yes indeed.

[algertman]

eat rats?!

this comics gets more over-the-top/reeks-of-awesomeness every issue

[GoGo Yubari]

Bruce wants Dick to eat rats.

Dick doesn't want to eat rats.

Alfred gives Dick a burger and some fries, causing a spat between Bruce and Alfred over the rat-eating thing.


... oh my god, this is the greatest comic book ever. EVER. That is just hysterical.

[Nefarius]

Bruce wants Dick to eat rats.

Dick doesn't want to eat rats.

Alfred gives Dick a burger and some fries, causing a spat between Bruce and Alfred over the rat-eating thing.

Vicki Vale may be dying.

Superman is- Running somewhere, upset about something.

Bruce has grown a five o' clock shadow.

So, d'ya think the A.S.S.B.A.R.T.B.W. version of the Ratcatcher will be the first villain Robin fights, given the emphasis on rat-catching? Hmmm?

:eek: What's next?Robin vs Splinter?

[colossus34]

This comic is worst than absurd....it's Frak Miller taking a big pile of Sh** into a big round bowl and handing it in to DC...WOW just WOW!!

[Cash Lone]

Bruce wants Dick to eat rats.

Dick doesn't want to eat rats.

Alfred gives Dick a burger and some fries, causing a spat between Bruce and Alfred over the rat-eating thing.


At first, I thought this comic was the worst thing in the world and I couldnt read it.

Now, I think this comic IS the worst thing in the world but I cant wait to read it!

[Nessor Sille]

It took me several read thoughs before I realized that Batman had blackmailed Superman into running to Paris in order to get the medical expert who may be able to save Vicki Vale's life.

Yes, Batman chooses to blackmail Superman into doing an act of mercy.

Even if this is supposed to be a satire, it's very crappy one.

"All the super-heroes are jerks-Because they just are!"

[King Krypton]

If there was any doubt in anyone's mind that Millerbat is evil incarnate, his treatment of Dick pretty much obliterates it. Forcing him to eat rats and turning on Alfred for for showing any kind of compassion for the boy is not even remotely what the real Batman would do. This is pure villainy thru and thru, and a horrific insult to Kane and Finger. Then again, insulting Kane and Finger is Miller's stock in trade. :rolleyes: Oh, and the Lex Luthor-like monologues about what an idiot Superman is and he's so much smarter than him don't do anything to lessen Millerbat's evil. They only amplify it to the Nth degree.

(And what's with Superman screaming "Damn!" every ten seconds? And running like a chicken with his head cut off? Is Miller really THAT incapable of showing Superman being able to accomplish anything? Or does he think skinning Siegel and Shuster's legacy alive is the next step?)

I thought Miller had destroyed Batman enough with all his previous stuff, but this is the absolute lowest he's ever sunken to. Satan in a Batsuit is not what I look for in a Batman comic. I want to see BATMAN. But to actually write Batman, Miller would have to pay the characters with respect. And we just can't have that, can we?

[GRANDPA]

frank miller should be banned from writing comics...he must of died and was reborn into a comic hack:evilsmile

[colossus34]

I thought Miller had destroyed Batman enough with all his previous stuff, but this is the absolute lowest he's ever sunken to. Satan in a Batsuit is not what I look for in a Batman comic. I want to see BATMAN. But to actually write Batman, Miller would have to pay the characters with respect. And we just can't have that, can we?

I was hoping long, long time ago(almost a year ago!) when DC first announced the All-Star line we were getting "modern but iconic interpretations of classic stories." I knew Miller was going to make it edgy but was expecting a coherent story, plot, pacing and a mature, adult Dick Grayson origin story.

WOW...was I wrong!:eek: Yeah this is low brow garbage and terrible storytelling to boot, but we've had other Elseworlds stories that have been just as "out there" so it no longer bothers me as much. As long as none of this characterization makes it into the regular continuity I'll be fine with GoddamnBatman living in Miller's own little perverse universe.

[Wesley Dodds]

I hear in issue 5 child services take Robin away from Batman.

[GRANDPA]

I hear in issue 5 child services take Robin away from Batman.
dc should take batman away from miller:evilsmile

[Young Avenger]

I read the issue at the shop and it continues to be a trainwreck. I really have to question the fact if the narrative is written by a professional was the writing is of grade school quailty here. Batman's thoughts about Superman were completely juvenile. And leaving poor Dick in the batcave all alone to fend for himself and to eat rats? WTF is wrong with him?

I almost brought this issue for being so damn awful that I somewhat enjoyed. Good thing I had a friend with me he could that crap back the shelf.

[Jack Roberts]

I hear in issue 5 child services take Robin away from Batman.

They know the Batcave's address?

[onenatv]

Maybe this is the best bat title around. Now I get that the "I'm a goddamn batman" thing is totally intentional. This is not a bad bat comic it's is however, a bat comic alot of people might not like. It dare to be different. I just wish the pacing is a little faster.:p

[Newspeak]

Maybe this is the best bat title around. Now I get that the "I'm a goddamn batman" thing is totally intentional. This is not a bad bat comic it's is however, a bat comic alot of people might not like. It dare to be different. I just wish the pacing is a little faster.:p

Bingo.

Its obvious, from Millers past books, that he is a great writer. I think This book is done intentionally, and it works. Its a different take on Batman and Robin, and i agree that the pace is very slow.

I think the book will turn out to be very differnet from the regular Bat-books, and I still think this book is a lot more fun than normal Bat-books.

Just give it some time, its only issue 4!

[GRANDPA]

Bingo.

Its obvious, from Millers past books, that he is a great writer. I think This book is done intentionally, and it works. Its a different take on Batman and Robin, and i agree that the pace is very slow.

I think the book will turn out to be very differnet from the regular Bat-books, and I still think this book is a lot more fun than normal Bat-books.

Just give it some time, its only issue 4!yeah issue five should be out sometime next year:eek:

[Young Avenger]

We're 4 issues in and there still no plot. Does this book have any direction at all?

[King Krypton]

Its obvious, from Millers past books, that he is a great writer.

Not on Batman, he ain't.

I think This book is done intentionally, and it works.

Works as WHAT? A juvenile and meanspirited trashing of everything good about the characters?

Its a different take on Batman and Robin,

So different that only the names are the same.

I think the book will turn out to be very differnet from the regular Bat-books,

It is. The other books are good, and are actually about Batman. This thing is just another excuse for Miller to relieve himself on Kane and Finger's graves.

and I still think this book is a lot more fun than normal Bat-books.

Implied pedophilia, implied stalking of a kid even before his parents are dead, child abuse on a grand scale, and a "hero" so totally corrupt that he's unworthy of any kind of sympathy is "fun"?

Just give it some time, its only issue 4!

"Give it some time, it's only issue #2." Give it some time, it's only issue #3. Give it some time, it's only issue #4." How long are we supposed to listen to this lame excuse? Four issues in and the book stands exposed as a deliberate violation of DC's best-loved icons. I'd say there's far more than enough material available to decide this book is garbage. Telling us to shut up and keep indulging Miller's character assassinations is not going to change anything. If the first four issues are the epitome of suckdom, why should anyone keep buying it? (I've only read this in the stores; there's no way I'd ever pay for this slop.)

It's not going to improve. It's only gotten worse issue by issue. I'd say Miller's exhausted all his chances by now.

[the goddamn batman]

Implied pedophilia,


What? Where? Show me one single instance of batman being a pedophile. Please.

I'm not talking about kiddnapping, or child abuse ona "grand scale" or any of that. I'm talking about pedophilia.

Also, to whoever said Miller is ruining Batman... How? How is Miller ruining anything? Regular Batman still has 2 books on the shelf each month. Relax, people have done very diffferent batman stories for years, I don't think this will "ruin" anything. Except Millers career, unless fans learn to stop over reacting about comic books.

Silly.

[Newspeak]

Not on Batman, he ain't.



Works as WHAT? A juvenile and meanspirited trashing of everything good about the characters?



So different that only the names are the same.



It is. The other books are good, and are actually about Batman. This thing is just another excuse for Miller to relieve himself on Kane and Finger's graves.



Implied pedophilia, implied stalking of a kid even before his parents are dead, child abuse on a grand scale, and a "hero" so totally corrupt that he's unworthy of any kind of sympathy is "fun"?



"Give it some time, it's only issue #2." Give it some time, it's only issue #3. Give it some time, it's only issue #4." How long are we supposed to listen to this lame excuse? Four issues in and the book stands exposed as a deliberate violation of DC's best-loved icons. I'd say there's far more than enough material available to decide this book is garbage. Telling us to shut up and keep indulging Miller's character assassinations is not going to change anything. If the first four issues are the epitome of suckdom, why should anyone keep buying it? (I've only read this in the stores; there's no way I'd ever pay for this slop.)

It's not going to improve. It's only gotten worse issue by issue. I'd say Miller's exhausted all his chances by now.

So your saying that Batman Year 1, The Dark Knight Returns arent good Batman Books? There at the top of almost all lists of great batman Stories.

Wheres the implied pedophilia at? Did I miss something?

Bottom line is, if you dont like it, dont buy it or read it.

[Sockburger]

I think Jim Lee's amazing pencil work overthrows Frank Miller's Hollywood kiss-ass writing. But then again I'm a comic artist. So its normal for me.

How about that 6-page fold out of the batcave, huh?!!!

come on...:D come on....:D

[the goddamn batman]

Also the batcave fold out was sweet but it counted as six pages of story. Lame.

[Horror Business]

miller is probably writing this way on purpose.

edit: nevermind, i forgot this was the man who gave us robocop 2 and/or 3.

[Sabrinaset]

yeah issue five should be out sometime next year:eek:

The first two people to buy ASB&R #5 when it goes on sale:

http://www.starbase1.com/images/CKS1.jpg

[the goddamn batman]

:D No kidding. At least IC had good covers.:rolleyes:

[GRANDPA]

the art is great ...now we should all make up are own story to go along with the artwork

[the goddamn batman]

the art is great ...now we should all make up are own story to go along with the artwork

I don't think it's THAT bad. Sure it isn't great, but so what.

I mean, Batman ate rats when he was a kid? Thats comedic genious!

Frank said it's a parody of how dark comics have gotten thanks to his work on Batman and others peoples comics in general. It seems to fit that idea very well.

For me, I stopped expecting anything from it, and now it's just a fun book to read.

Dick is great so far! Alfred is awesome, and Bruce is a bit nuts, but we all know thats how Frank plays him. Crazy and smart.

[Generic Eric]

I cannot bring myself to buy another issue. Only the deluxe hardcover edition can adequetly contain the awesomeness of this story. :D This stuff is pure comedic genious. The best part is some readers are mad because frank millar is,nt taking Batman serious enough.

[King Krypton]

So your saying that Batman Year 1, The Dark Knight Returns arent good Batman Books? There at the top of almost all lists of great batman Stories.

They're filth. Full stop. Miller has never treated Batman with anything even slightly resembling respct. His contempt for the character reeks in every piece of trash he writes, and even more so in his idiotic comments on the character's history (blaming the '60s TV show for stuff Kane and Finger did back in 1941, for example). Miller's not capable of writing Batman as anything other than being just as evil and psychotic as his enemies.

And you'd have to be blind not to see the unsavory aspects of Miller-Bruce's stalking of Dick even before his parents got whacked (and many still wonder if Millerbat knew what was going to happen and let it so he could get a hold of Dick).

The first two people to buy ASB&R #5 when it goes on sale:

http://www.starbase1.com/images/CKS1.jpg

Kirk and Spock have too much dignity to support the degradation of a fellow icon.

Also, to whoever said Miller is ruining Batman... How?

Robbing him of his humanity.

Portraying him as irredeemably evil and corrupt.

Stripping each and every Batman character of their dignity and integrity and making them incompetent, slutty, victims, or lunatics.

How is this not ruining Batman and his world?

Regular Batman still has 2 books on the shelf each month.

And which one is DC pushing the hardest? The one which is bent on the destruction of everything that made Batman great to begin with. I don't see Robinson or Morrison or Dini getting half the attention Foolish Frank has been lavished.

I don't think this will "ruin" anything. Except Millers career, unless fans learn to stop over reacting about comic books.

Miller's career deserves to be ruined. He's done nothing but make his name destroying classic DC icons.

[GRANDPA]

I don't think it's THAT bad. Sure it isn't great, but so what.

I mean, Batman ate rats when he was a kid? Thats comedic genious!

Frank said it's a parody of how dark comics have gotten thanks to his work on Batman and others peoples comics in general. It seems to fit that idea very well.

For me, I stopped expecting anything from it, and now it's just a fun book to read.

Dick is great so far! Alfred is awesome, and Bruce is a bit nuts, but we all know thats how Frank plays him. Crazy and smart.
lets all be real here...we heard about miller and lee doing a bat book and wow cant wait but the bottom line is the book crashed and burned...face facts folks miller is not miller anymore and hes just taking the cash and running...just waiting for his next movie to be released

[colossus34]

And which one is DC pushing the hardest? The one which is bent on the destruction of everything that made Batman great to begin with. I don't see Robinson or Morrison or Dini getting half the attention Foolish Frank has been lavished.


I admit this does frighten me a bit...considering how much DC is pushing this title I can imagine some new, younger fans that might come across Miller's garbage and be turned off by the entire Bat-mythos because of it or get a completly wrong impression of Batman. It would be a real shame.

[Sabrinaset]

And now, it's time for ANOTHER installment of...

DOOM CITY: That Yellow Baxter Building!

When last we saw our heroes, the Goddamn Silver Surfer had kidnapped Franklin from the Baxter Building, needing a child for reasons unknown. Meanwhile, six months ago, the She-Hulk had run amok at the courthouse. And now, our story continues...

FRANKLIN RICHARDS: Christ! You queer! I been on this goddamn board for three issues now! When the f*ck we gettin' off?

Such thoughts had indeed been running through the mind of the Goddamn Surfer. There would be hell to pay for this. But it was the only way. He'd had his eye on the boy for months, and the fact that he wasn't even old enough to shave only made it more maddening. It had been like this ever since he had helped his former master, the Goddamn Galactus, eat that planet of androgynous people who only wore one glove. But soon, he would get his revenge...with the help of this boy. Yes, he would indeed get off. This young, tender...delicious...

FRANKLIN RICHARDS: Hey, you goddamn Oscar wannabe! When are we gunna land? I gotta pee! And why are you drooling, you retard?

THE GODDAMN SILVER SURFER: Pay my drool no heed, you prick. Here, look unto my f*cking surfboard. Is it cool or what?

FR: Yeah. I mean, I've seen better, but I guess it's okay. Better than yer tights, they really blow chunks. Hey, you got anything to eat?

GDSS: Here, have some rats...you f*ck.

Meanwhile, back at the Baxter Building...

SUE RICHARDS: Goddamnit, you f*ck! Gimme my goddamn son back, you faggot!

REED RICHARDS: (smiling) Shut up, bitch. I have everything under control. Now, get yer ass back into the kitchen and make daddy his breakfast, or you ain't gettin' yo bling this month, ho.

SR: Faggot! (storms off)

BEN GRIMM: Whatta f*ckin' development!

RR: (To H.E.R.B.I.E.) Yo, Herb. Get that quack on the line...Dr. Donald Blake. Tell him to get that fat ass Thor over here pronto. Tell him Reed Richards would consider it a ...personal favor.

H.E.R.B.I.E.: Noo000 pr00b1emmm, fagg010t11.

A short time later, a man in a red cape flies across Manhatten, searching for the Goddamn Silver Surfer.

THOR: Verily, I will find the Goddamn Surfer F*ck, or diest trying...goddamnit!

[the goddamn batman]

They're filth. Full stop. Miller has never treated Batman with anything even slightly resembling respct.

you never have read Year One, have you?

Kirk and Spock have too much dignity to support the degradation of a fellow icon.

Right, because Priceline.com ads are where the integrity is at! It was a joke about the shipping problems.


Robbing him of his humanity.

He's a fictional character. I'm not even bothering with this one. Monthly Batman is still on the shelf more often than this book.

Portraying him as irredeemably evil and corrupt.

How? "Irredeemably" ok, I guess. Why does this book effect evrything else Batman?

Stripping each and every Batman character of their dignity and integrity and making them incompetent, slutty, victims, or lunatics.

Fictional characters don't have dignity. Besides slutty lunatic victims is fun to read!

How is this not ruining Batman and his world?

Because Monthly Batman in his canon world with all of his retconned in and out of continuity friends, sidekicks, villains and whatnot are still there every month being more damaged by the DC editorial, (which is again,on stands every single month in full force, where this is out twice a year.) than this book could ever hope to do to the Batman character.



And which one is DC pushing the hardest? The one which is bent on the destruction of everything that made Batman great to begin with. I don't see Robinson or Morrison or Dini getting half the attention Foolish Frank has been lavished.

ummm... if you call 4 issues a year "pushing the hardest" than I guess ASB&R. I thought the fact that Tech and Batman are on the stands on time every month would make them the better representation of "Batman" and his world.

As for the monthly creative teams... you'd have to talk to the fans. I don't see the streets a buzz with talk of All Star by non comic readers. Anyone who is reading comics, already reads comics and should be well aware of who is going to bee on Batman and Tech. I for one am stoked about Tech, but it would seem that people either love or hate Frank Miller more than they care about most other creators.

Also, Sam Keiths Secrets isn't getting sh!t on for being different, neither is Year 100. How come those books are not "bent on the destruction of everything that made Batman great to begin with"?



Miller's career deserves to be ruined. He's done nothing but make his name destroying classic DC icons.

Wow, thats kinda extreme. batman isn't your mother, don't you think it's kind of over board to call for Frank being banned, ruined, or crucified over a silly a Batman comic?


Whats wrong with silly? Better than angry about a comic! I can't get mad about comics, that IS silly.:)

[Jack Roberts]

And now, it's time for ANOTHER installment of...

DOOM CITY: That Yellow Baxter Building!

When last we saw our heroes, the Goddamn Silver Surfer had kidnapped Franklin from the Baxter Building, needing a child for reasons unknown. Meanwhile, six months ago, the She-Hulk had run amok at the courthouse. And now, our story continues...

FRANKLIN RICHARDS: Christ! You queer! I been on this goddamn board for three issues now! When the f*ck we gettin' off?

Such thoughts had indeed been running through the mind of the Goddamn Surfer. There would be hell to pay for this. But it was the only way. He'd had his eye on the boy for months, and the fact that he wasn't even old enough to shave only made it more maddening. It had been like this ever since he had helped his former master, the Goddamn Galactus, eat that planet of androgynous people who only wore one glove. But soon, he would get his revenge...with the help of this boy. Yes, he would indeed get off. This young, tender...delicious...

FRANKLIN RICHARDS: Hey, you goddamn Oscar wannabe! When are we gunna land? I gotta pee! And why are you drooling, you retard?

THE GODDAMN SILVER SURFER: Pay my drool no heed, you prick. Here, look unto my f*cking surfboard. Is it cool or what?

FR: Yeah. I mean, I've seen better, but I guess it's okay. Better than yer tights, they really blow chunks. Hey, you got anything to eat?

GDSS: Here, have some rats...you f*ck.

Meanwhile, back at the Baxter Building...

SUE RICHARDS: Goddamnit, you f*ck! Gimme my goddamn son back, you faggot!

REED RICHARDS: (smiling) Shut up, bitch. I have everything under control. Now, get yer ass back into the kitchen and make daddy his breakfast, or you ain't gettin' yo bling this month, ho.

SR: Faggot! (storms off)

BEN GRIMM: Whatta f*ckin' development!

RR: (To H.E.R.B.I.E.) Yo, Herb. Get that quack on the line...Dr. Donald Blake. Tell him to get that fat ass Thor over here pronto. Tell him Reed Richards would consider it a ...personal favor.

H.E.R.B.I.E.: Noo000 pr00b1emmm, fagg010t11.

A short time later, a man in a red cape flies across Manhatten, searching for the Goddamn Silver Surfer.

THOR: Verily, I will find the Goddamn Surfer F*ck, or diest trying...goddamnit!

I fell out of my Fn' chair reading this. I have the hiccups now. I'm gonna have to pass this around to the guys. I'm gonna get art put to this.

[Violently Apathetic]

Ehehehe! I love this book! I love the crummy writing, I love the silly pacing, I love seeing people freak out over it and I love rat eating, child smacking, cop smooshing and Alfred abusing Batman.

Or maybe I'm just losing my mind, either way, I'm having a blast.

[Evan Waters]

This book is the comics equivalent of SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER.

[Violently Apathetic]

This book is the comics equivalent of SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER.

So can we expect full musical numbers soon? Gotham was having trouble, what a sad, sad story...

[Sabrinaset]

So can we expect full musical numbers soon? Gotham was having trouble, what a sad, sad story...

Well, this is like the fourth episode of DOOM CITY I've written, and there's ...who is it who is doing the MST3K: ASB&R thing here? Don't we already have ENOUGH fanfic because of Miller now? :)

Really, the funniest out-of-context line in this issue...hands down...was...

"I touched my mother's breast."


Oh, and thanks, Mr. Roberts!

[Young Avenger]

And now, it's time for ANOTHER installment of...

DOOM CITY: That Yellow Baxter Building!

When last we saw our heroes, the Goddamn Silver Surfer had kidnapped Franklin from the Baxter Building, needing a child for reasons unknown. Meanwhile, six months ago, the She-Hulk had run amok at the courthouse. And now, our story continues...

FRANKLIN RICHARDS: Christ! You queer! I been on this goddamn board for three issues now! When the f*ck we gettin' off?

Such thoughts had indeed been running through the mind of the Goddamn Surfer. There would be hell to pay for this. But it was the only way. He'd had his eye on the boy for months, and the fact that he wasn't even old enough to shave only made it more maddening. It had been like this ever since he had helped his former master, the Goddamn Galactus, eat that planet of androgynous people who only wore one glove. But soon, he would get his revenge...with the help of this boy. Yes, he would indeed get off. This young, tender...delicious...

FRANKLIN RICHARDS: Hey, you goddamn Oscar wannabe! When are we gunna land? I gotta pee! And why are you drooling, you retard?

THE GODDAMN SILVER SURFER: Pay my drool no heed, you prick. Here, look unto my f*cking surfboard. Is it cool or what?

FR: Yeah. I mean, I've seen better, but I guess it's okay. Better than yer tights, they really blow chunks. Hey, you got anything to eat?

GDSS: Here, have some rats...you f*ck.

Meanwhile, back at the Baxter Building...

SUE RICHARDS: Goddamnit, you f*ck! Gimme my goddamn son back, you faggot!

REED RICHARDS: (smiling) Shut up, bitch. I have everything under control. Now, get yer ass back into the kitchen and make daddy his breakfast, or you ain't gettin' yo bling this month, ho.

SR: Faggot! (storms off)

BEN GRIMM: Whatta f*ckin' development!

RR: (To H.E.R.B.I.E.) Yo, Herb. Get that quack on the line...Dr. Donald Blake. Tell him to get that fat ass Thor over here pronto. Tell him Reed Richards would consider it a ...personal favor.

H.E.R.B.I.E.: Noo000 pr00b1emmm, fagg010t11.

A short time later, a man in a red cape flies across Manhatten, searching for the Goddamn Silver Surfer.

THOR: Verily, I will find the Goddamn Surfer F*ck, or diest trying...goddamnit!

LMAO. That had me in tears. So f**king funny. I await the next episode of doom city.

[ultramandingo]

" when are you going to let me out of this thing? it feels like its been DAYS !".....bwaha! that was funny ! i was all ready to not buy this , but i got suckered in .......ima retard

[Young Avenger]

I have to wonder if Frank Miller hates Superman. Each time I've seen him write Supes he's portray as a lapdog and an idiot. This is issue is no different.

[shaxper]

I have to admit, I'm intrigued now. I've stayed away from ASB because all I heard were bad reviews about it but, after reading this thread, it seems obvious that Miller is writing a parody. It's one thing to question whether or not DC made a wise choice in allowing a parody of their top licensed character disguised as a serious project and aided by heavy promotion and the industry's top artist (and I'm not sure how I feel about it), but I can't blame Miller for trying to have fun with the character he's built a career upon taking so damn seriously.

[mattx110]

btw, this is my personal third finding of eating rats in a frank miller work. in DKR bats tells the mutant leader not to eat rats. in one of the sin city shorts the nazi guy eats rats before getting moussad-owned. and now in ASBR. i think he was going for the hat trick, unless someone can tell me another frank miller mention of eating rats. there should be a trivia game. i'll give someone a prize for finding every mention of rat-eating in a frank miller comic. did ronin eat rats? howabout rusty?
howabout ratchomping robocop action figures? the marketing potential of rateating is awesome.

ps, i think FM is making superman look like so much of a shmuck out of batjerk retaliation (so what if batman curses at little boys and feeds them vermin, superman wouldn't save a dying person). or maybe when frank finally writes a superman book, it'll be the complete opposite of how he's depicted in every batman book, and all the fans will go "wtf, frank miller gets superman, and he didn't repeat lines a million times?" and then a rapture hits.

btw: i still don't have this book yet, so i'm not entirely believeing you on the rat-eating yet. that's the kind of thing i wanna see before i believe it.

[Hellcow]

Well it looks like Wank Miller is on a roll.

Even as a parody, this is not well written. There is nothing clever about this, its not even shocking, its just plain stupid.

Frank Miller WAS one of my favourite creators.

300 was great.

Sin City was great (though its getting tired).

Time for something new Frank.

Is Frank Miller a victim of his own success?

Maybe he's not hungry enough any more?

[GRANDPA]

FRANK MILLERS DAY AS A COMIC WRITER ARE NOW OVER:eek:

[stealthwise]

FRANK MILLERS DAY AS A COMIC WRITER ARE NOW OVER:eek:

Not with sales like this title's getting.

If you guys are, for some reason, still buying this book and are pissed off about it, I have a suggestion.

Go get an envelope and place the comic within it. Then write a detailed, but polite letter explaining why you hate the book and are dissatisfied with Miller's work and your purchase of it. Then mail it to either the book's editor, or to Dan Didio, or to one of Warner's CEOs. Maybe they'll actually read your letter, or hey, even the comic itself, and realize that it's crap.

It's worth a shot anyways.

[Nick Kal]

I just take the damaged copies at the store to read this... it's funny that this is one of DC's top selling books... it actually is a joke... and people are buying it.

[GRANDPA]

Not with sales like this title's getting.

If you guys are, for some reason, still buying this book and are pissed off about it, I have a suggestion.

Go get an envelope and place the comic within it. Then write a detailed, but polite letter explaining why you hate the book and are dissatisfied with Miller's work and your purchase of it. Then mail it to either the book's editor, or to Dan Didio, or to one of Warner's CEOs. Maybe they'll actually read your letter, or hey, even the comic itself, and realize that it's crap.

It's worth a shot anyways.
SEND TO DC A MONTH AGO...CRAP IS CRAP

[GRANDPA]

I just take the damaged copies at the store to read this... it's funny that this is one of DC's top selling books... it actually is a joke... and people are buying it.
PEOPLE ARE BUYING THIS FOR THE ART NOT MILLERS WORD BALLONS

[Jake V]

PEOPLE ARE BUYING THIS FOR THE ART NOT MILLERS WORD BALLONS
Can you prove this in any way?

[GRANDPA]

Can you prove this in any way?
why yes i can..what do you need from me

[acagle7]

I am so glad I am not wasting my money on this crap anymore.

[Jake V]

why yes i can..what do you need from me
Proof that all the people who buy this book are doing it for the art, rather than the story.

Since you're the one who's making the accusation, it's up to you to prove it.

[GRANDPA]

golly your a happy camper tonite....lets see here..oh yeah......i own a few stores and have for many a year and yes i have a few customers that buy this for the art...say more than a thousand...yep thats right i asked them and for the heck of it took a poll...but what do i know about comics only been doing this for a few decades

[the goddamn batman]

I bought it for the story. Rather to see if it starts having one and if so where it's going.

I don't think Millers a hack, I just think they are having fun. I'm not too invested in these characters, I like them but, I'm not pissed someone is playing wiith them in a different way.

To say that everyone is buying this solely for the art is wrong.

I personally think too that Lee's far more "serious" art is what is presenting Franks script i the wrong light.

Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. But I'm not here just for Jim. So, there is one in the other column

[Sean Whitmore]

Batman makes Robin eat rats?

Goddamn me for not buying this book already!

I don't care is this is satire or ground-breaking or disrespectful or whatever. This is a comic where Batman makes Robin eat rats, and it's got the DC logo stamped right on the cover. I love it to death and I want to marry it and I'd bear its children if that were biologically possible.


SEAN

[atoningunifex]

Batman makes Robin eat rats?

Goddamn me for not buying this book already!

I don't care is this is satire or ground-breaking or disrespectful or whatever. This is a comic where Batman makes Robin eat rats, and it's got the DC logo stamped right on the cover. I love it to death and I want to marry it and I'd bear its children if that were biologically possibly.


SEAN

I feel much the same. Saturday can't come fast enough for me.

[Chudy]

I read it, and luaghed for half an hour. I wonder.... what happened to Miller? Maybe he started to eat rats? :D

I take this titale with distance, relax and a little bit irony. It genial prove how great writer can destroy himself and how he can destroy carrier of great artist like Jim Lee, who waste his talent for this "parody".

And people buy it. Hehe.... and that explain everything about american fancy (no offense :D ).

[algertman]

I hate, not really, to admit this. But I LOVE this comic. Eat rats? FUNNY! Superman running across water with a car saying "DAMN!" FUNNY AGAIN!

[Mia]

You know there's something that bugged me about this book. And I wasn't sure what it was until last night. Even if this is supposed to be a 'parody'. Does DC really think that child abuse is funny? I didn't mind it when Batman was running around in the car/sub acting like a fool. But the whole 'rat eating' thing was distasteful. Is this how DC/WB wants to show it's marquee character? Can you imagine if this came out when the film was being released.

[Karl J. Barnes]

I see this more of a dark satire than just a plain old parody as in satire like Swift's fantastic "A Modest Proposal". Maybe not on the same level as Swift, Miller's dark version of Batman and his war on crime is funny in the sense that we consider Batman heroic, instead of a crazed vigilante that he is.

[GRANDPA]

You know there's something that bugged me about this book. And I wasn't sure what it was until last night. Even if this is supposed to be a 'parody'. Does DC really think that child abuse is funny? I didn't mind it when Batman was running around in the car/sub acting like a fool. But the whole 'rat eating' thing was distasteful. Is this how DC/WB wants to show it's marquee character? Can you imagine if this came out when the film was being released.
now someone is starting figure out this book they call this a batman comic...this is a disgrace to batman and all the great writers before..this is dcs so called allstar line...pleaseeeeeee

[Mia]

I see this more of a dark satire than just a plain old parody as in satire like Swift's fantastic "A Modest Proposal". Maybe not on the same level as Swift, Miller's dark version of Batman and his war on crime is funny in the sense that we consider Batman heroic, instead of a crazed vigilante that he is.



I find nothing satirical about the abuse of a child. It's sick. DC should be ashamed of themselves.

[Expletive Deleted]

Does DC really think that child abuse is funny?Yes. Yes, they do.

[Nonentity]

I find nothing satirical about the abuse of a child. It's sick. DC should be ashamed of themselves.

Oh yes. Putting a 13 year old boy in bright clothing and parading him in front of lunatics like the Joker and Two Face isn't child abuse at all. But trying to feed him rats even though there's not a chance in hell that Alfred will let it happen? Them's the brakes.

Oh god....Frank, I don't know whether to laugh or whether to cry. Perhaps I shall do both.

[spideyrules99]

So how many All Star books are there out right now. I enjoyed the All Star Batman And Robin Boy Wonder. So if anyone can give me a checklist or something for past issuses that would be cool.

Thanks.

[Mia]

Yes. Yes, they do.

Obviously.

[Jack]

I guess I really am the only person who loves this book. It's great.

[Radical_dreamer]

I guess I really am the only person who loves this book. It's great.

It's the individualist syndrome. You love it because everybody else hates it (and with good reason). It's the guy that screams out green in a field of blue. And boy is it ever annoying.

[Jack]

It's the individualist syndrome. You love it because everybody else hates it (and with good reason). It's the guy that screams out green in a field of blue. And boy is it ever annoying.
No, I don't. I'd read and loved the first two issues before I knew what anyone else even thought about it.

Thanks a lot for thinking you knew exactly what I feel, though.

[Nessor Sille]

Reading the solicitations for this issue on DC's official A.S.B.A.R.T.B.W. webpage, Black Canary (remember her?) is mentioned as playing a prominent role.

Anyone see her?

[spideyrules99]

I guess I really am the only person who loves this book. It's great.


I really enjoyed the one that I read. I want to read more. I think its good to do something diffearnt with heroes. Some like it some dont.

[King Krypton]

Oh yes. Putting a 13 year old boy in bright clothing and parading him in front of lunatics like the Joker and Two Face isn't child abuse at all.

I just love howthe Millerites ignore that in every version of Batman before All-Star, it was DICK who insisted on becoming Batman's sidekick, and it was DICK who chose the costume for himself. Batman was almost always portrayed as being initally against the idea of putting a kid in harm's way, or at the very least having misgivings about it. Even in Dark Victory, he had misgivings about Dick's choice of superhero costume, and tried to talk him out of wearing a yellow cape.

Does Millerbat's obsession with recruiting and forcing Dick to be his sidekick suddenly render the rest of Batman's history nonexistent?

But trying to feed him rats even though there's not a chance in hell that Alfred will let it happen? Them's the brakes.

Millerbat certainly believed he could force Dick to eat rats. Look at the way he attacks Alfred for putting a stop to it! Look at the way he grumbles about Alfred "telling me to take a flying leap" and whining about how Dick's presence has "screwed everything up." He wouldn't have turned on his own foster father if he didn't think he had a chance of breaking Dick to his will.

Don't even bother trying to justify child abuse by citing Dick's personal choice to become Robin in the classic canon and Batman letting him have his way as justification. There's no comparison between them.

I really enjoyed the one that I read. I want to read more. I think its good to do something diffearnt with heroes. Some like it some dont.

How is making Batman corrupt, psychotic, and unlikeable "different"? It's the same thing Miller's been doing for two decades and counting.

And Millerbat is not even remotely a "hero."

[tymac]

Whatever anyone might think of the series to date, I doesn't fit what the All-Star titles were supposed to be. Maybe Frank Miller is writing a parody of what everyone did to Batman post-DKR and Year One, but somehow a title that was supposed to be an "Iconic" version of Batman strikes me as the wrong place for that.

The more I think of it, this is the title that Paul Dini should have been writing. He's always handled the iconic Batman very well.

[spideyrules99]

I am new to his work. So pardon the fu## out of me for not knowing that

[OverMaster]

I hear in issue 5 child services take Robin away from Batman.

Hell, at this point Dick would be better off as the Joker's ward...

[Mia]

I just love howthe Millerites ignore that in every version of Batman before All-Star, it was DICK who insisted on becoming Batman's sidekick, and it was DICK who chose the costume for himself. Batman was almost always portrayed as being initally against the idea of putting a kid in harm's way, or at the very least having misgivings about it. Even in Dark Victory, he had misgivings about Dick's choice of superhero costume, and tried to talk him out of wearing a yellow cape.

Does Millerbat's obsession with recruiting and forcing Dick to be his sidekick suddenly render the rest of Batman's history nonexistent?



Millerbat certainly believed he could force Dick to eat rats. Look at the way he attacks Alfred for putting a stop to it! Look at the way he grumbles about Alfred "telling me to take a flying leap" and whining about how Dick's presence has "screwed everything up." He wouldn't have turned on his own foster father if he didn't think he had a chance of breaking Dick to his will.

Don't even bother trying to justify child abuse by citing Dick's personal choice to become Robin in the classic canon and Batman letting him have his way as justification. There's no comparison between them.



How is making Batman corrupt, psychotic, and unlikeable "different"? It's the same thing Miller's been doing for two decades and counting.

And Millerbat is not even remotely a "hero."

You are the most brilliant person on this board! Bravo!

[Chewbaccacabra]

I didn't see this brought up before in this thread. Why wasn't Superman flying?

Anyway this comic still has me in stitches. The dialouge is killing me!

[algertman]

I didn't see this brought up before in this thread. Why wasn't Superman flying?

Anyway this comic still has me in stitches. The dialouge is killing me!

He doesn't fly yet in this comic, Superman originally couldn't fly when he first appeared, Frank Miller is using that version of him

[algertman]

I am new to his work. So pardon the fu## out of me for not knowing that

just ignore them, I don't see why people are getting so bent out of shape over this book. It's not like Miller is pulling a JMS and trying to ruin main version of this charector, it's his "DKR" universe, what happens in DKR Universe, stays in DKR Universe

[lucifernomi]

It's the individualist syndrome. You love it because everybody else hates it (and with good reason). It's the guy that screams out green in a field of blue. And boy is it ever annoying.

More annoying than arm-chair psychology from disembodied voices on the web?

[lucifernomi]

I just love howthe Millerites ignore that in every version of Batman before All-Star, it was DICK who insisted on becoming Batman's sidekick, and it was DICK who chose the costume for himself. Batman was almost always portrayed as being initally against the idea of putting a kid in harm's way, or at the very least having misgivings about it. Even in Dark Victory, he had misgivings about Dick's choice of superhero costume, and tried to talk him out of wearing a yellow cape.

That's still letting a child play with a loaded gun; criminal regardless of whether or not he asked for it.

[Mia]

That's still letting a child play with a loaded gun; criminal regardless of whether or not he asked for it.

That's a poor analogy, and does not fit with the point that King Krypton was trying to make.

[lucifernomi]

This book cracks me up. It's refreshing to have young Grayson written in a way that takes a step back and lends realism to Batman's crazy world. Batman's moral failings don't even bother me, since its Millar's character right now to work how he wants, and its not like its canonical. Its interesting to see how screwed up he'd have to be to actually do that kind of work, and its fun to watch him try too hard.

My only complaint with this book though is a big one. Nothing's happening. Dick saying "when are you going to let me out of this thing? It feels like it's been days!" is hands down the best moment of the issue, and Batman's "shut up" response is Millar's response to the bitchy reader community(read: us). Still, by the end of the issue we get only amusing glances of Batman's world, and almost nothing in the way of plot. Where's the plot? It's issue 4... what's going on? Why is Superman appearing? Why was Canary runnning around in bar fights? What's the story-line?

By the way, check out the back page for the "Hot List this week" for a laugh: see how long ago this comic was supposed to be out.

[spideyrules99]

I enjoy the book becasue to me it is a new way to write Batman. I always pictured Batman as a crazy nut and this pulls it off prettyy well. I mean the dude saw his parents murdered. Has a kid sidekick., Not just one but many over the years. Three Robins a batgirl or two. He keeps files on his freinds and teamates on how to talk them down. Bit him in the ass a couple times I think. So yea I have always seen him as an ass. I am glad this book is out and want to find others.

[lucifernomi]

That's a poor analogy, and does not fit with the point that King Krypton was trying to make.

That Miller's child-abuse is unprecidented in Batman because it was always Dick who wanted the job and costume? Wouldn't any parent giving their young child permission to habitually do something so irrationally dangerous and psychologically damaging land them in jail? How is that so different than letting him play with a loaded gun? The only difference in the Miller-verse is that Bruce is being a jerk about it... Hardly changes anything in the long run.

[Nonentity]

I just love howthe Millerites ignore that in every version of Batman before All-Star, it was DICK who insisted on becoming Batman's sidekick, and it was DICK who chose the costume for himself. Batman was almost always portrayed as being initally against the idea of putting a kid in harm's way, or at the very least having misgivings about it. Even in Dark Victory, he had misgivings about Dick's choice of superhero costume, and tried to talk him out of wearing a yellow cape.

You know what I love? How I can be called a 'Millerite' simply because I don't immediately decry this book as the worst thing to happen to Batman since....ever. I also love how people can justify putting a 13 year old boy wearing a bright yellow costume in front of dangerous psychotics simply because 'the kid insisted on it'.

"Sir, why did you allow that child to play in the street during rush hour?"

"He really wanted to! I wasn't that thrilled about it, but he put together his own outfit and everything! How was I supposed to stop him? It's not like I'm an adult and can forbid such behavior or anything."


Millerbat certainly believed he could force Dick to eat rats. Look at the way he attacks Alfred for putting a stop to it! Look at the way he grumbles about Alfred "telling me to take a flying leap" and whining about how Dick's presence has "screwed everything up." He wouldn't have turned on his own foster father if he didn't think he had a chance of breaking Dick to his will.


And the fact that Alfred put a stop to it doesn't tell you anything? Like maybe that Miller isn't taking this particularly seriously? Perhaps that he's having a bit of fun with the hard-boiled interpretations of Batman that have come as a result of writers trying to copy his work? And maybe that's why Lee drew a four-page (!) foldout of the bat-cave in a manner reminiscent of bad 90s comics? Alfred is generally considered the voice of sanity in the Bat-mythos......

Really, just take a step back and relax. The world isn't coming to an end because of one very out-of-continuity story.








Oh, and Dark Knight Returns is teh r0xx0rs. Just thought I'd throw that out. ;)

[curefreak]

i find this comic and peoples responses to it completly hilarious :)
tho im not sure if the comic is supposed to be intentionally hilarious or not(we could bicker about that for days)but i dont want anyone to think im trying to justify its god awfull-ness intentionally hilarious or not its still a very poor written comic thats going nowhere extremly slowly.

[Super Sonic]

I really love this, title, whether intentional or not, it is the funniest thing I have ever read, Batdick x 10000000000000 = Crazy Delicious.

[spideyrules99]

Batman, the guy who can stop Joker, Two Face and Bane all the time, he has a plan to take down Superman. and yet he cant stop a 13 year old from putting on a costume and fighting crime.
"This looks like a job for Nanny 911."

[curefreak]

this whole thing has so many plot holes that its making me dizzy trying to think about it:o

[muimi]

... it is seriously this bad? Wow.

[Web of Fear]

i find this comic and peoples responses to it completly hilarious :)

I think the responses are funnier :D

I have no problems whatsoever with an unsympathetic Batman (although the way he talks to Robin is wearing), I just wish that the plot was going somewhere after four issues.

[algertman]

this whole thing has so many plot holes that its making me dizzy trying to think about it:o

watch it, or I'll make you eat rats :)

[GRANDPA]

I think the responses are funnier :D

I have no problems whatsoever with an unsympathetic Batman (although the way he talks to Robin is wearing), I just wish that the plot was going somewhere after four issues.
you might have along wait for issue five...miller has to find away to make the next issue worst then the first four

[Web of Fear]

you might have along wait for issue five...

I'm not holding my breath :D

[GRANDPA]

come on folks....the art of this book is not up to par for lee and millers writing leaves the bat looking like a villian...this is dcs so called answer to marvels ultimate line...i dont think so

[Sean Whitmore]

I couldn't wait. You bastards have teased this book too much, I had to go out and get it today.

And I'm confused. I mean...I haven't been good...so why is God rewarding me with this beautiful thing?

Vicki Vale is dying from a car accident that I'm pretty sure Batman caused. Batman is desperate to convince Robin that the Batcave is cool. Superman is running around the world, screaming "damn!" over and over again like a crazed character from an Adult Swim cartoon. Batman attacks Alfred for feeding Robin.

I don't care. I don't care what Miller's intentions are, I don't care what the book is supposed to "be". This is crack on paper and I am an addict.


SEAN

[curefreak]

I couldn't wait. You bastards have teased this book too much, I had to go out and get it today.

And I'm confused. I mean...I haven't been good...so why is God rewarding me with this beautiful thing?

Vicki Vale is dying from a car accident that I'm pretty sure Batman caused. Batman is desperate to convince Robin that the Batcave is cool. Superman is running around the world, screaming "damn!" over and over again like a crazed character from an Adult Swim cartoon. Batman attacks Alfred for feeding Robin.

I don't care. I don't care what Miller's intentions are, I don't care what the book is supposed to "be". This is crack on paper and I am an addict.


SEANthis is why drugs are bad for you kiddies:p

[Sean Whitmore]

this is why drugs are bad for you kiddies:p


They may be bad for you...but they're so gooooooood.

;)


SEAN

[Hellcow]

I think some people have a bad case of "Emperor's New Clothes"

[Nonentity]

They may be bad for you...but they're so gooooooood.

;)


SEAN


So........would this be a case of "It's so bad, it's good"?

Or perhaps "If this is bad, I don't want to be good!" ;)

[Sean Whitmore]

So........would this be a case of "It's so bad, it's good"?

Or perhaps "If this is bad, I don't want to be good!" ;)


Probably closer to the former, although the latter has some merit. :)


SEAN

[Guts/Batman]

I would have bought this issue if anything would have happened. But as it stands, nothing did.

I was impress by the 5 page fold out of Batcave. That almost made me buy it but the "your food will come out" line is let's all speak nicely funny. The "It's felt like days" line felt like Frank knew what we were saying...

[Sabrinaset]

And now, a preview from the final chapter of "The Hypothetical Woman" in the next issue of JLA: Classified...

BATMAN: You know, Diana, your pomegranite muffins we had were great, so I thought I'd have Alfred treat you guys to one of my family recipes. I used to really enjoy these delicacies when I was a child.

SUPERMAN: Great...Bruce Wayne's Pie a la Mode...hmmm...

BATMAN: Dig in, guys!

The JLA each takes a slice of pie. They start chewing...then grimacing.

GREEN LANTERN: Batman...this pie seems rather...gamey. What is it?

BATMAN: Rat pie...why?

The JLA does a collective spittake. Plastic Man starts drooling rubber cement. A "pangpangpangpangpang" sound can be heard as the Flash starts speed-projectile vomiting against the teleporter.

SUPERMAN: Great Krypton, Bruce! What on Earth makes you think rats are a delicacy?

BATMAN: I touched my mother's breast once.

[Guts/Batman]

Bwahahahahahahaha...

Great stuff Sabrina...

[WoodenDummy]

I loved it, sorry.

[the goddamn batman]

I just love howthe Millerites ignore that in every version of Batman before All-Star, it was DICK who insisted on becoming Batman's sidekick, and it was DICK who chose the costume for himself. Batman was almost always portrayed as being initally against the idea of putting a kid in harm's way, or at the very least having misgivings about it. Even in Dark Victory, he had misgivings about Dick's choice of superhero costume, and tried to talk him out of wearing a yellow cape.

Does Millerbat's obsession with recruiting and forcing Dick to be his sidekick suddenly render the rest of Batman's history nonexistent?

I hate being called a "millerite"! WTF do I live in Frank Miller? Do I come from Frank Miller? Is my home town Milleropolis?

What should we ( the millerites ) call the otherside of the fence? The Canonites? The Didioites? More like D-idiots!

What I really love is the over opinionated poster who just "can't believe the Millerites" yet, don't even know how far away this book is from continuity!

This title in fact ha NO bearing what-so-ever on any other Batman comic ever. So, no. Your precious canon/retconned bat comics are still ok.


Don't even bother trying to justify child abuse by citing Dick's personal choice to become Robin in the classic canon and Batman letting him have his way as justification. There's no comparison between them.

I though dick said yes WHEN ASKED TO JOIN BATMAN IN HIS HOLY WAR! How is that different. This life chose Dick. Then Dick chose this life. Seems about right.

Ahh, comic book child abuse. Why don't you go do something about real child abuse... you know the kind that happens every day in THE REAL WORLD! You seem to be such an advocate for stopping it, what are you doing about it? Or do you just think it's wrong when someone writes it in a comic book?

So far, what Dick has gone through in this book, is far from the levels of what I would term "child abuse". Ever seen a kid be beaten within an honest inch of their life for not pickin up their toys, or eating their entire dinner? Ever seen a kid be sexually abused for no F#CKING reason? Thats child abuse. That kid went to the hospital, or deep theropy for the rest of their life! This is a comic book. No one got hurt. Dick got a hamburger.


How is making Batman corrupt, psychotic, and unlikeable "different"? It's the same thing Miller's been doing for two decades and counting.

I don't know? I thought this was very in line with typical Miller. It's everyone else who seems to think the comic world is splitting at the seams because of this.

Also, I thought everyone liked Batman in DKR, and Year One. Also, I like him here too!

[the goddamn batman]

you might have along wait for issue five...miller has to find away to make the next issue worst then the first four

Frank has written beyond #6. We are in fact waiting for Jim to draw these issues. It's amazing that because you work in a comic store you think you know for fact what going on. When in fact, you don't.

I might get banned for a few for this one, but bash Miller for bad writting, lets just stop with the delays being his fault too. They are not Millers fault. Jim has taken the bame several times, and asked that we not bash Miller for it.

[Hellcow]

The "It's felt like days" line felt like Frank knew what we were saying...

That's exactly what it was. Of course he knows.

[the goddamn batman]

Does DC really think that child abuse is funny?

I think DC understands that this is a comic. Not real life. I also really think people are jumping the gun on the child abuse and pedophile sh!t.

You all must have had oit pretty cushy growing up to think any off this is really child abuse.

See above if you need more on this.

[Sean Whitmore]

You all must have had oit pretty cushy growing up to think any off this is really child abuse.


Hey, I like this comic as much as anyone, but let's be real. Leaving a recently-orphaned child in a cave and telling him to eat rats? That's child abuse. At LEAST.


SEAN

[Young Avenger]

Frank has written beyond #6. We are in fact waiting for Jim to draw these issues. It's amazing that because you work in a comic store you think you know for fact what going on. When in fact, you don't.

I read that the delays are from Miller's end. That he had to rewrite several of his scripts

[the goddamn batman]

I read that the delays are from Miller's end. That he had to rewrite several of his scripts

Where? Because I read Jim himself say "it's my fault" I'll dig up the link if I need to.

Also, Miller drives. If he isn't driving he'll walk. You don't tell Miller to re write. Get real.

[Sean Whitmore]

I read that the delays are from Miller's end. That he had to rewrite several of his scripts


Now that you mention it, it did seem odd that Dick made a point this issue of saying Batman "put the hurt" on those cops. Maybe DC is stepping in to make Miller tone things down?

If Miller is in fact rewriting scripts, maybe he'll eventually tell us exactly how Vicki got hurt in the first place. My money is still on Batman driving the Batmobile through the limo. :)


SEAN

[Mia]

I read that the delays are from Miller's end. That he had to rewrite several of his scripts


Was this of his own accord or did management order it?

[GRANDPA]

What? I read Jims post on newsarama where he shut up a bunch of Miller haters (acctually it kinda turned into a Lee ass kissing contest) by saying he had #6's script in hand,m, b ut has been quite behind oin the art. He said "it's my fault"

I dunno how much more clear it gets than that. What "cold hard facts" do you have?
what you read is not all the time what it seems and what your told can be misleading...they tell you what you want to hear

[Young Avenger]

Was this of his own accord or did management order it?

I don't know. I do know that fan backlash had something to do with it. Though from issue 4 it doesn't seem that the quality is improving.

[the goddamn batman]

Now that you mention it, it did seem odd that Dick made a point this issue of saying Batman "put the hurt" on those cops. Maybe DC is stepping in to make Miller tone things down?

If Miller is in fact rewriting scripts, maybe he'll eventually tell us exactly how Vicki got hurt in the first place. My money is still on Batman driving the Batmobile through the limo. :)


SEAN

Dick objected in issue 2 when he mentioned "wasting those cops"

Also, Viki was indeed hurt by the batmobile busting throught the cars. Remember how she was hurt right after that, then fainted.;)

[the goddamn batman]

what you read is not all the time what it seems and what your told can be misleading...they tell you what you want to hear

Right. So, I guess I should believe you.

Jim was/is designing the ENTIRE DCU for their new MMORPG, drawing cover for about 6 books all at once, designing the new wildcats book, and drawing All Star. Plus ya know, Jim is a liar.

You are something else, my friend. something else indeed.

Why on gods green earth would I take your word about Jims work over... JIM'S word. Makes no sence.

If Jim was interested in telling us what we want to hear, it would be that Frank is a hack who can't write a script to save his life and Jim is off the book.

[the goddamn batman]

I don't know. I do know that fan backlash had something to do with it. Though from issue 4 it doesn't seem that the quality is improving.

Yeah, if DC required re writes, don't you think something would be different?

Besides with sales being what they are on this book... DC editorial thinks everything is great.

[Sean Whitmore]

Dick objected in issue 2 when he mentioned "wasting those cops"


Yeah, that's what I mean. In #2 he flat-out said that Batman "wasted" them. Then in #4 it's become "put the hurt on them". So I don't know if we're just not supposed to trust Dick's P.O.V. (understandable, him being upset), or if this was DC's way of saying to the reader "nahhh, he didn't kill those cops."


Also, Viki was indeed hurt by the batmobile busting throught the cars. Remember how she was hurt right after that, then fainted.;)


I remember appearing hurt at the beginning of a scene, and then fainting. We just never saw anything happen to the limo, which confused me. Kind of a weird thing to leave off-panel. Funny, though. :)


SEAN

[Hellcow]

Dear Frank,

I still like you as a creator.

Now I'm not telling you what to write.

But you must know within yourself that your not really trying to make this All Star comic work on any level - even as parody, or post modern nudge wink comedy.

So why don't you and DC be big and brave, and do a complete restart. You would earn some serious respect. Lets start again with no. 1. Think it through this time and you might produce some work even YOU can be proud of.

Don't write for fan boys, or anyone else. Write a story you would want to read. Pretend your working on one of your own stories and give it the same thought.

A lot of thought went into your previous works and its very evident.

What you're doing now its thoughtless and slapped together, and it shows.

You can do better Frank, we've seen the proof.

You owe it to yourself.

[GRANDPA]

Dear Frank,

I still like you as a creator.

Now I'm not telling you what to write.

But you must know within yourself that your not really trying to make this All Star comic work on any level - even as parody, or post modern nudge wink comedy.

So why don't you and DC be big and brave, and do a complete restart. You would earn some serious respect. Lets start again with no. 1. Think it through this time and you might produce some work even YOU can be proud of.

Don't write for fan boys, or anyone else. Write a story you would want to read. Pretend your working on one of your own stories and give it the same thought.

A lot of thought went into your previous works and its very evident.

What you're doing now its thoughtless and slapped together, and it shows.

You can do better Frank, we've seen the proof.

You owe it to yourself.VERY VERY WELL PUT.

[the goddamn batman]

Yeah, that's what I mean. In #2 he flat-out said that Batman "wasted" them. Then in #4 it's become "put the hurt on them". So I don't know if we're just not supposed to trust Dick's P.O.V. (understandable, him being upset), or if this was DC's way of saying to the reader "nahhh, he didn't kill those cops."

m ight be, interesting point. hmmmm.





I remember appearing hurt at the beginning of a scene, and then fainting. We just never saw anything happen to the limo, which confused me. Kind of a weird thing to leave off-panel. Funny, though. :)


SEAN

Yeah, well Black Canaray isn't in #4, so Franks seems to be jumping around a bit. I swear this will read so much better when collected. Might not be a better story, but at least most of these questions wouldn't come up... I hope.:)

[Mia]

I don't know. I do know that fan backlash had something to do with it. Though from issue 4 it doesn't seem that the quality is improving.


Very good point. I wonder what kind of re-write was being taken place. When it's all the same crud.

[Kid Seven]

Ah, so this is it.

The tone of the book has finally hit me. And I'm loving it. I do also think that the quality of the book is improving, but I'm getting more and more into the tone.

Loved the Batman/ Robin split thoughts. Loeb wishes he could've done it this good. Loved Lee's Batcave design. Ballsy.

"Idiot from Metropolis". Great line.

Still light on plot, but some sparkling dialouge will keep me happy until next issue.

Oh and this (fictional) child abuse? In this case? Funny.

Sorry, sometimes it's funny.

[Sean Whitmore]

The tone of the book has finally hit me. And I'm loving it.

Oh and this (fictional) child abuse? In this case? Funny.


A convert! Welcome!

And yes, yes it is.


SEAN

[the goddamn batman]

A convert! Welcome!

And yes, yes it is.


SEAN

amen, brother!:D

[kingdom2000]

I am all for "decompressed" storytelling when it entertains, but Frank is just boring. The art is the only thing that saves the title. I could handle this over the top crazy batman...if the story had an actual pace. Glaciers move faster. I really believe at this point Miller is doing a middle finger to comicdom.

[the goddamn batman]

I just don't think pleaseing comicdom is Franks biggest concern, thats all. Don't take so much offence to it. It's really silly to feel so personally betrayed over a comic book. Isn't it?

[Generic Eric]

If you say there is no plot in this story,then I say you are wrong. I feel that All Star Batman is an analysis of the Batman's personality. This story focuses on Batman, not Batman Fighting a villian or solving a mystery.

[Sean Whitmore]

I am all for "decompressed" storytelling when it entertains, but Frank is just boring. The art is the only thing that saves the title. I could handle this over the top crazy batman...if the story had an actual pace. Glaciers move faster.


Don't give up just yet! Next issue, Batman reveals he's really Bruce Wayne! ;)


SEAN

[cyclops2500]

The book's terrible. I mean, really, did we need 4 issues of them in the car? And the "revelation" that Batman was looking at Dick as a prodigy before his parents are killed is ridiculous. It's not the creepy stalking people on the board have been talking about, but it's pretty silly. Nothing I've seen about this Batman so far says; "I'll be good with kids..."


The portrayl of Batman doesn't bother me. It occurs to me that a stubborn, O/C, perfectionist, know-it-all would not be the nicest person in the world. What does bother me is the pedestrian way Miller uses to convey Batman's attitude. There is nothing clever or edgy about it, he's just writing whatever words he thinks will hit us the hardest. He's trying to make a "hardcore" Batman, and ends up with a loser with money and toys.

Also, couldn't Miller wait to introduce Black Canary unitl Batman drove to the Batcave?

There is so much wrong with this book that even Jim Lee's art is overshadowed.

[the goddamn batman]

I mean, really, did we need 4 issues of them in the car?

They were not in the car for any of issue 1. #3 had four pages of them in the car... it amounted to about four lines of dialoge. They got out a few pages in to the issue.

How is that four issues in the car? More like two at the most.

[lucifernomi]

And the "revelation" that Batman was looking at Dick as a prodigy before his parents are killed is ridiculous. It's not the creepy stalking people on the board have been talking about, but it's pretty silly.

It makes alot of sense to me. Batman's a notoriously well-prepared guy, and smart enough to know that he wont be able to do the job forever. He probably scouted a number of recruits before finding Grayson, who he admits is still way too young to have been tapped, were his parents not just killed.

[Sean Whitmore]

Nothing I've seen about this Batman so far says; "I'll be good with kids..."

In his defense, he did say his original intention was to approach Dick when he was much older. Presumably of age.

He's trying to make a "hardcore" Batman, and ends up with a loser with money and toys.

Again, to be fair, that does seem to be the direction this is taking. He's scary to whoever he's beating up at the time, but to everyone else so far he's a weirdo putting on a lame voice.

SEAN

[cyclops2500]

They were not in the car for any of issue 1. #3 had four pages of them in the car... it amounted to about four lines of dialoge. They got out a few pages in to the issue.

How is that four issues in the car? More like two at the most.

My point is that the pacing is all off. I get what Miller was shooting for with the sequences with the two of them in the Batmobile but it just dragged.

[GRANDPA]

Not to fan the flames, but you could've opened up a sixth store in the time it's taking you to snipe back and forth at each other.


SEAN
yep your so right i owe the kid a big iam sorry

[Sabrinaset]

C'mon, guys! Let's stop sniping at each other and do what make CBR great...making fun of comics!

For instance...

ALL-STAR BATMAN AND ROBIN ... THE DELETED SCENES

The place is the Justice League cave. Inside, Superman has assembled the worlds greatest heroes...Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman. The purpose: To do something about Batman.

SUPERMAN: I can't goddamn stand it. The Goddamn Batman knows my secret identity. He's got me running these sh*t missions for him.

FLASH: Well, uhm, maybe...we can try to find out what HIS secret ID is...maybe? Before it's f*ckin' too late?

SUPERMAN: Yeah. I mean, I even heard him with my super-hearing, talkin' bout how he's a detective an' sh*t, how he's a hell of a lot smarter than I am.

GREEN LANTERN: Well, da-yam! Did you f*ckin' use yer super-hearing to triangulate where he was saying this from? Like maybe from a goddamn cave in Gotham City where he could be hiding all his cars, planes, an' sh*t?

SUPERMAN: Damn!

FLASH: What about using your goddamn x-ray vision on all of Gotham City? He can't have enough lead to hide from you, an' even if he did, all that lead in one damn place should tell you where someone in Gotham is hiding something...!

SUPERMAN: Damn!

AQUAMAN: Mebbe we better f*ckin' try another goddamn approach. This Batman...he just kidnapped some kid...Dick Grayson, right? An' now he's staying with ...Bruce Wayne? Who lives in the same damn city Batman runs arouind in? You think there's a connection, Supes?

SUPERMAN: Damn!

MARTIAN MANHUNTER: That Goddamn Batman has a vehicle that turns into a f*ckin' sub and a sh*t plane. I should f*ckin' think that only a very wealthy person could afford that. Who is the wealthiest person in Goddamn Gotham City? Bruce Wayne...think there is any f*ckin' connection, super sh*t-for-brains?

SUPERMAN: Damn!

WONDER WOMAN (turning the vibrator down to "low" while she speaks) You b*stard! Bruce Wayne had his parents f*ckin' killed years ago, and ened up eating rats for years! An' now Childrens Services is saying he's having this Dick, Grayson, eating the same things! You think ...OHHH ...oh MERCIFUL APHRODITE!!! - there could be a connection...?

SUPERMAN: Damn!

EVERYONE: HAVE YOU FIGURED IT OUT YET, STUPID-F*CKING MAN?!?

SUPERMAN: Great f*cking Krypton! There's just not enough clues for me to go on! I guess that Goddamn Batman really IS smarter than I am!

[Hellcow]

I thought this review was pretty good:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/114796977886501.htm

[the goddamn batman]

yep your so right i owe the kid a big iam sorry

Thanks man, it's all cool. I appreciate it.:)

[the goddamn batman]

I'm kinda interested in #5 myself. I'm sure no one read the solicit in the back of #4.


NEXT IN... All Star Batman and Robin, The Boy Wonderr #5

"Dick Grayson stares into the eyes of the soulless monster who murdered his parents, the executioner's ax in his hands. Will the boy become a detective -- or an avenger?

Also, I get that the pacing is F'd. I really do. 6 months between issues doesn't help anything either.:(

I'm wondering what role Black Canary is going to play in this.

What if Dick does help balance Batman. Say that is the theme of the book (humor me) What if Black Canary shows Batman how out of control he has gotten as she runs about beating people senceless for not much reason at all. I'm curious if she will be played as more of a villain. Despite her love for Batman.

I dunno, it poped into my head just now

[Sean Whitmore]

What if Dick does help balance Batman. Say that is the theme of the book (humor me)


That does seem to be what they're going for. Notice how at every turn, Dick rebuffs what Batman is showing him. He responds to Batman attacking the cops with moral outrage. He calls the Batmobile queer. He responds to the Batcave with a distinct lack of enthusiasm.He considers 'the voice' to be a lameass Eastwood impression. And he's already got Alfred on his side.

So in the battle of wills, Dick is currently one-upping Batman at every turn.


SEAN

[spideyrules99]

C'mon, guys! Let's stop sniping at each other and do what make CBR great...making fun of comics!

For instance...

ALL-STAR BATMAN AND ROBIN ... THE DELETED SCENES

The place is the Justice League cave. Inside, Superman has assembled the worlds greatest heroes...Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman. The purpose: To do something about Batman.

SUPERMAN: I can't goddamn stand it. The Goddamn Batman knows my secret identity. He's got me running these sh*t missions for him.

FLASH: Well, uhm, maybe...we can try to find out what HIS secret ID is...maybe? Before it's f*ckin' too late?

SUPERMAN: Yeah. I mean, I even heard him with my super-hearing, talkin' bout how he's a detective an' sh*t, how he's a hell of a lot smarter than I am.

GREEN LANTERN: Well, da-yam! Did you f*ckin' use yer super-hearing to triangulate where he was saying this from? Like maybe from a goddamn cave in Gotham City where he could be hiding all his cars, planes, an' sh*t?

SUPERMAN: Damn!

FLASH: What about using your goddamn x-ray vision on all of Gotham City? He can't have enough lead to hide from you, an' even if he did, all that lead in one damn place should tell you where someone in Gotham is hiding something...!

SUPERMAN: Damn!

AQUAMAN: Mebbe we better f*ckin' try another goddamn approach. This Batman...he just kidnapped some kid...Dick Grayson, right? An' now he's staying with ...Bruce Wayne? Who lives in the same damn city Batman runs arouind in? You think there's a connection, Supes?

SUPERMAN: Damn!

MARTIAN MANHUNTER: That Goddamn Batman has a vehicle that turns into a f*ckin' sub and a sh*t plane. I should f*ckin' think that only a very wealthy person could afford that. Who is the wealthiest person in Goddamn Gotham City? Bruce Wayne...think there is any f*ckin' connection, super sh*t-for-brains?

SUPERMAN: Damn!

WONDER WOMAN (turning the vibrator down to "low" while she speaks) You b*stard! Bruce Wayne had his parents f*ckin' killed years ago, and ened up eating rats for years! An' now Childrens Services is saying he's having this Dick, Grayson, eating the same things! You think ...OHHH ...oh MERCIFUL APHRODITE!!! - there could be a connection...?

SUPERMAN: Damn!

EVERYONE: HAVE YOU FIGURED IT OUT YET, STUPID-F*CKING MAN?!?

SUPERMAN: Great f*cking Krypton! There's just not enough clues for me to go on! I guess that Goddamn Batman really IS smarter than I am!


I love these things. They are so funny. You are good at this. And the sad thing is I can really see this in the book.

[Mia]

Oh give the man a job!

[Nonentity]

That does seem to be what they're going for. Notice how at every turn, Dick rebuffs what Batman is showing him. He responds to Batman attacking the cops with moral outrage. He calls the Batmobile queer. He responds to the Batcave with a distinct lack of enthusiasm.He considers 'the voice' to be a lameass Eastwood impression. And he's already got Alfred on his side.

So in the battle of wills, Dick is currently one-upping Batman at every turn.


SEAN

Y'know, it's really kind of interesting how Miller is setting Dick up as the voice of sanity in all this, considering the kid's ultimate fate Dark Knight Strikes Again.

He obviously didn't eat enough rats. They're "mmm,mmm" good! ;)

[Rokk]

You can check out my review here (http://comicbookrevolution.blogspot.com/2006/05/comic-book-review-all-star-batman-and.html).

I liked the issue. Yeah, Miller's writing is over the top and heavy handed. But, this is what you should expect with a Frank Miller Batman comic. Batman is going to act like a total jerk. Batman's going to make fun of Superman. These are all sure to happen. I think this issue was better than the last couple of issues. Is Miller's writing amazing. No, not at all. But, I'm still thought this was an entertaining issue.

I am loving Jim Lee's artwork. I enjoyed the 6 page pullout of the Batcave. What a great perspective on the Batcave.

[Puffy Fugu]

Okay I haven't had a chance to read this yet. From what I've heard here, and from my sister who's a manager at a big comic store, it's seems like this is just Miller's way of saying "F*ck You" to DC.

I had the same impression after DK2. But I could be wrong. I'll try to get a hold of it soon.

[OverMaster]

Y'know, it's really kind of interesting how Miller is setting Dick up as the voice of sanity in all this, considering the kid's ultimate fate Dark Knight Strikes Again.

He obviously didn't eat enough rats. They're "mmm,mmm" good! ;)

Yes, I honestly wonder how could Bruce expect to create anything but a psychopath with his brilliant plan. Methinks his lessons on Criminal Psychology weren't extensive enough.

[algertman]

My guesse is you will probably see a glimpse of humanity in Batman similar to what happened in DKR. When Robin was falling and Batman caught her. I assume it will hapen next issue when Robin is givien the choice to kill to man responsible for his parents death

[filthysize]

I don't care what people say. This book is freakin' hilarious and a lot more fun that any Bat books in years. The guy's an overgrown child with too much money. Fantastic.

I can't wait for the JLA stupidity in #6. I'm promised a Superman and Wonder Woman that boss around Flash and Green Lantern like henchmen. Oh dear, i won't settle for anything else.

[algertman]

I can't wait for the JLA stupidity in #6. I'm promised a Superman and Wonder Woman that boss around Flash and Green Lantern like henchmen. Oh dear, i won't settle for anything else.


Superman: FLASH! You take out that damn garbage!
Flash: ......no, sir
Superman: Do it before I beat you with an extension cord!......DAMN!

[cletus510]

I want to add my voice to those who like the book. I'm one of those who demanded a "kindler, gentler" Bruce to return in the continuity-based Batbooks. Thankfully, it looks like we are finally getting it in Batman and Tec. It's the Batman I want. However, I'm really enjoying the over-the-top, maniacal, Batdick x 1,000,000 (as one poster put it). It's a fun read, as long as you don't take it seriously. I don't mean that in a condescending way toward Miller. I don't suggest it is unintentional, so-bad-it's-good camp. Miller knows what he's doing. I just mean that I don't get upset because it isn't the Batman I normally want. I'm completely willing to suspend my disbelief for his 10-issue (or whatever) run and enjoy it for what it is. After all, we know Bruce has to be a little crazy for doing what he does. So if a little crazy, why not full-on crazy? It's probably a more realistic portrayal. How stable can a man be who dresses in a bat costume, lives underground, takes on a kid as a partner in a bird costume, and gets pleasure out of pulverizing crooked cops and crazy men from the local asylum? The only thing ruining it for me is the inexcusable delays. If this were monthly, I'd be loving it.

[VietN]

I haven't read the previous issues. Now it's not as bad as I'd expected, given what I've read through these forums. I can see why some people don't like it, but I still had fun with it. Thought it was interesting that Batman has been following Dick all this time.

[Steel Spider]

I'm enjoying All Star Batman & Robin. It's so absurd, over the top and moronic but that's why I love it. I am hoping Miller-Bat gets his ass handed to him by the JLA.

[The Shadow]

I thought this review was pretty good:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/114796977886501.htm
That... was... AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best. Review. Ever.

This book is beyond suck hide teet... but I don't have a word for what it is now... anyone have a suggestion?

[the film freak]

I have to wonder if Frank Miller hates Superman. Each time I've seen him write Supes he's portray as a lapdog and an idiot. This is issue is no different.

A few years back when he said he was interested in writing a Superman book he said he'd probably write Superman differently from how he was portrayed in Dark Knight Returns.

I don't think Miller's Superman is an idiot. Just Miller's Batman thinks he's an idiot.

[the film freak]

I can't say I'm digging the pace of this book. I was hoping for Batman and Robin fighting Mr. Freeze and The Joker by now instead we get the introduction to Batcave. I think Millers take on the Batman and Robin dynamic is interesting though where Robin sees through Batman's bullshit. That's the strongest aspect of the book and it's funny too. But I wish he did more with it then Batman just being a douchebag all of the time. He needs to be more sympathetic.

I did like Alfred standing up to DoucheBat though.

[nightwing1982]

Issue #1 was nice for me. After that, its like pulling teeth with the hook of a hammer.

[Violently Apathetic]

I'm actually hoping that Miller somehow introduces Jason Todd early in this. It seems in DKR/DKSA that Jason and Bruce seemed to be on much better terms than Dick and Bruce and it makes me wonder what Jason did differently (aside from die) I mean, did Jason eat the rats?

[davids]

A few years back when he said he was interested in writing a Superman book he said he'd probably write Superman differently from how he was portrayed in Dark Knight Returns.

I don't think Miller's Superman is an idiot. Just Miller's Batman thinks he's an idiot.

He was postive that the idiot from metropolis would save his Ass.......and he was right!

Then again Kal and Diana's love child has a strong urge to be the one to cut bat dick's head off?:evilsmile

[OverMaster]

I'm actually hoping that Miller somehow introduces Jason Todd early in this. It seems in DKR/DKSA that Jason and Bruce seemed to be on much better terms than Dick and Bruce and it makes me wonder what Jason did differently (aside from die) I mean, did Jason eat the rats?

Yes, and he asked for more, like any good boy would.

[Nonentity]

Yes, and he asked for more, like any good boy would.

Actually, in All-Star world, Batman realized he had made a mistake when Jason started asking for nothing but rats.

"Kid, I think you've had enough."

"What are you, dense? Are you retarded? I'm the goddamn Jason Todd and I'll have as many rats as I goddamn want! Now hand me that tobasco sauce."

[Puffy Fugu]

Actually, in All-Star world, Batman realized he had made a mistake when Jason started asking for nothing but rats.

"Kid, I think you've had enough."

"What are you, dense? Are you retarded? I'm the goddamn Jason Todd and I'll have as many rats as I goddamn want! Now had me that tobasco sauce."

I'm so happy I wasn't drinking anything when I read that.

[Sean Whitmore]

Actually, in All-Star world, Batman realized he had made a mistake when Jason started asking for nothing but rats.

"Kid, I think you've had enough."

"What are you, dense? Are you retarded? I'm the goddamn Jason Todd and I'll have as many rats as I goddamn want! Now hand me that tobasco sauce."


Awesome! :D

I especially like that he refers to himself as The Jason Todd. Now all he has to do is walk around high-fiving everyone.

"Hey, Big Dog, the Batmobile kinda looks like a big penis! Compensation five!"


SEAN

[The Batman]

pacing issues aside there is some stuff about this book that i'm really enjoying. certainly not the depiction of Batman that i'd want in every book but an interesting one nonetheless.

[the goddamn batman]

Awesome! :D

I especially like that he refers to himself as The Jason Todd. Now all he has to do is walk around high-fiving everyone.

"Hey, Big Dog, the Batmobile kinda looks like a big penis! Compensation five!"


SEAN

Nice. I have to admit I love that show. Dr. Cox is the man! Virtual five!:D

[Rylon]

I'm enjoying the comic so far, but I'm enjoying this thread even more!

I'm not sure if this says more about me, or the comic. :confused:

[Puffy Fugu]

There definitely are some people here I'd be happy to see writing the book :D

[Rylon]

There definitely are some people here I'd be happy to see writing the book :DYou know, that's a good point. I'm going to go make some sig changes.....

[Sabrinaset]

Actually, in All-Star world, Batman realized he had made a mistake when Jason started asking for nothing but rats.

"Kid, I think you've had enough."

"What are you, dense? Are you retarded? I'm the goddamn Jason Todd and I'll have as many rats as I goddamn want! Now hand me that tobasco sauce."

Making fun of ASB&R is becoming a cottage industry here! We should start a group...All-Satirizing Batman and Robin!

[The Batman]

while far from perfect, the pacing is off, off, off, this book isn't nearly as bad as people seem to make it out to be. i think Miller is doing some interesting things here and already we've begun to see a little humanity begin to emerge from the darkness that Miller's Batman has made his world from in both the second and now the fourth issues. Likely the Batman that will emerge at the end of this story will be more openly human and potentially more humane.

also, Miller's Batman didn't force Dick to eat rats, he wanted him to teach him survival skills by letting him learn to fend for himself in much the same manner that Miller's Batman did.

it's fun to make fun of this book and it's easy to do. at the Motor City Comicon this past weekend i was tempted to get Adam West to say (in his Batman voice of course) "I'm the Goddamn Batman!" or at the very least autograph it. knowing that he wouldn't get the reference i of course refrained.

[astroguy]

Stupid story and the fact that the first 3 issues were just batman and dick sitting in a car aside you gotta love the artwork.

And personaly I think issue 3 was worse.

[Puffy Fugu]

I can't understand why everyone is crazy over the art. Yeah, it's Jim Lee, but it's certainly not his best. Also, I don't think it matches Miller's style at all. It's as if Lee is totally ignoring the atmosphere of the story and just drawing it the way he'd draw anything- Same ol' same ol'.

[filthysize]

I can't understand why everyone is crazy over the art. Yeah, it's Jim Lee, but it's certainly not his best. Also, I don't think it matches Miller's style at all. It's as if Lee is totally ignoring the atmosphere of the story and just drawing it the way he'd draw anything- Same ol' same ol'.

Ding ding.

I'm not that impressed by the art either. Jim Lee is a great pin-up/cover artist, but I was never fond of his sequentials.

He's not the reason I'm buying this book.

[palaeomerus]

I'm getting a little tired of the "It's Frank Miller! What did you expect?" routine.

What did I expect? I expected something resembling the tone and general character of Batman.

If Tomoyuki Tanaka did a Batman series would it have been acceptable to have a giant radioactive Batman leveling Osaka?

If Henry Miller did Batman would it be okay if it contained pages and pages of bizzare ranting about female genitals?

Sheesh. Crap is crap. This series is the modern equivalent of Phillip K. Dick's infamous unpublished Pern novel.

[Sean Whitmore]

What did I expect? I expected something resembling the tone and general character of Batman.


Well...they got the costume right. That should count for something. ;)

If Tomoyuki Tanaka did a Batman series would it have been acceptable to have a giant radioactive Batman leveling Osaka?


Why not? It's got no effect on the mainstream Batman, so why not a comic where Batman is a giant monster, if there's an audience for it?


SEAN

[filthysize]

If Tomoyuki Tanaka did a Batman series would it have been acceptable to have a giant radioactive Batman leveling Osaka?

If Henry Miller did Batman would it be okay if it contained pages and pages of bizzare ranting about female genitals?

Well... if these are arguments against not having these kinds of books published, your plan is backfiring.

[mohammedali]

Actually, in All-Star world, Batman realized he had made a mistake when Jason started asking for nothing but rats.

"Kid, I think you've had enough."

"What are you, dense? Are you retarded? I'm the goddamn Jason Todd and I'll have as many rats as I goddamn want! Now hand me that tobasco sauce."
Love it...

[Karl]

Actually, in All-Star world, Batman realized he had made a mistake when Jason started asking for nothing but rats.

"Kid, I think you've had enough."

"What are you, dense? Are you retarded? I'm the goddamn Jason Todd and I'll have as many rats as I goddamn want! Now hand me that tobasco sauce."

Thats too funny, I couldn't stop laughing, pure genius :D

[astroguy]

Did anyone get the retailer cover for issue 4???
Now that was a cover and a have.

[Puffy Fugu]

I'm getting a little tired of the "It's Frank Miller! What did you expect?" routine.

What did I expect? I expected something resembling the tone and general character of Batman.

I have an idea that ASBR is Millers commentary on comics today. Overall, comics have gotten dark. What happened to wacky? A comic can have some comedy and still be respectable and enjoyable.

Certainly with IC, Jason Todd, Cassandra, and all the crap thats been going down, there's hardly been room for light-heartedness. It's just getting worse and worse as time goes by.

[atoningunifex]

I'm getting a little tired of the "It's Frank Miller! What did you expect?" routine.

What did I expect? I expected something resembling the tone and general character of Batman.

If Tomoyuki Tanaka did a Batman series would it have been acceptable to have a giant radioactive Batman leveling Osaka?

If Henry Miller did Batman would it be okay if it contained pages and pages of bizzare ranting about female genitals?

Sheesh. Crap is crap. This series is the modern equivalent of Phillip K. Dick's infamous unpublished Pern novel.

But your definition of "Crap" is based on a character-centric point of view.

You're all for Miller (or Tanaka or Henry Miller) as long as they subsume what makes them unique as writers in order to present another story that doesn't challenge your view of the character.

I think this is a valid expectation. And there are several Batman books on the market that cater to that expectation.

This doesn't happen to be one of them.

I personally am enjoying Miller's latest version of Batman. I like that he's addressing the utter lunacy of the entire Robin thing. I like that he's showing that someone who dresses up like a bat in order to fight crime is a bit of a loon. I think he's bringing his unique way of looking at things to a character that he has an obvious interest in.

But that's just my expectation. I enjoy watching a writer bring their own style and observations to a character.

[The Batman]

agreed. this is very much Miller's Batman and needs to be judged in terms of Miller's Batman which is different from the regular Batman. admittedly the pacing on this is horrid and i think that part of it might be Miller's attempt to cater his writing style to Lee's artistic style that seems to favour big, bold images. i'm enjoying Lee's artwork but i'm buying this book for Miller's over the top story.

[DarkCrisis]

I think most people are upset because the "All Star" titles were originally billed as the "Iconic" form of the character.

Superman hit it in SPADES.


Miller's Batman is no where NEAR the "Iconic" Batman.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Why not? It's got no effect on the mainstream Batman, so why not a comic where Batman is a giant monster, if there's an audience for it?

Even though Batman's open to many interpretations, there are some things constant about him. Every Batman drives a Batmobile of sorts, 95% of the Batmen have eaten rats at one point or another. Giant Monsterbats wouldn't be able to do those things.

I'm very much thrown off by Superman's appearance. At the end of last issue, wasn't he in the past (15 hours ago?) and ready to beat the crap out of Batman? Or maybe he was in the future since Dick was on a milk carton?

Still, will there be a confronation between Superman and Batman over Bats kidnapping a child? Or will Supes just run around doing whatever Batman tells him to?

[dupersuper]

As a huge Superman fan, I actually kinda' like some of Millers' earlier stuff with the charactor. Not the government lap dog stuff from DK, but the part with him in the aftermath of the E P/nuclear blast, cut off from the sun, depowered, but still able to hear cries for help...begging "Mother Earth" to let him help us even though we were stupid viscious things...THAT was always really cool!

Also as a Supes fan, I gotta say--taken as satire--Supes running around, carrying cars, yelling "Damn!"=funny.

[FCEEVIPER]

Does anyone know if this series is going over 6 issues?

Thanks in advance.

[billrob23]

I would just like to say thanks for this thread. You guys are making me laugh so hard.
As far as the comic goes, its the lousiest Jim Lee art I have ever seen - especially the black canary issue, and the story is just silly. Funny stuff. I'm reading a friend's copies, so at least I'm not paying for it.

I'd pay real money to be able to continue to read the posts on this board though . . . thank Jonah I don't have to.

[GRANDPA]

i figure that i will buy me a bird and just use these for liner in the cage

[Sabrinaset]

I have an idea that ASBR is Millers commentary on comics today. Overall, comics have gotten dark. What happened to wacky? A comic can have some comedy and still be respectable and enjoyable.

Certainly with IC, Jason Todd, Cassandra, and all the crap thats been going down, there's hardly been room for light-heartedness. It's just getting worse and worse as time goes by.

See, there's the problem right there, if Miller thinks we're laughing WITH the comic while it turns out all of us are laughing AT it. :D

[Hellcow]

I have an idea that ASBR is Millers commentary on comics today. Overall, comics have gotten dark. What happened to wacky? A comic can have some comedy and still be respectable and enjoyable.



Sure wacky can be respectable and enjoyable.

The thing is, this comic isn't even doing "wacky" very well.

[Sean Whitmore]

Sure wacky can be respectable and enjoyable.

The thing is, this comic isn't even doing "wacky" very well.


It's kinda doing wacky in spite of itself. :)


SEAN

[Aufbach]

But your definition of "Crap" is based on a character-centric point of view.

You're all for Miller (or Tanaka or Henry Miller) as long as they subsume what makes them unique as writers in order to present another story that doesn't challenge your view of the character.

I think this is a valid expectation. And there are several Batman books on the market that cater to that expectation.

This doesn't happen to be one of them.

I personally am enjoying Miller's latest version of Batman. I like that he's addressing the utter lunacy of the entire Robin thing. I like that he's showing that someone who dresses up like a bat in order to fight crime is a bit of a loon. I think he's bringing his unique way of looking at things to a character that he has an obvious interest in.

But that's just my expectation. I enjoy watching a writer bring their own style and observations to a character.

I understand your point, and in some cases I would agree with it. But not in this case. There's a difference between bringing your own style to a character, and creating a new character entirely. What Miller has done in ASB&R is create a new character who wears a Bat-Suit and calls himself Batman.

But just because a man wears a Bat-Suit and calls himself Batman doesn't mean that's he *is* Batman. The character's words and actions count, too. As they do for any established character whose words and actions have been consistently established over the course of decades. Miller's character in this book does *not* behave like Batman.

Batman doesn't leave 12-year-old boys in a large, strange cave, by themself, implying that he should eat bats or rats. Batman doesn't become visibly agitated with Alfred for *feeding a boy*. Batman doesn't consistently tell a boy who he's kidnapped to "shut up." Batman doesn't blackmail Superman, even if he doesn't respect him. Ridiculous.

I get that Miller is probably attempting to convey his perception of the current state of comics, or something to that effect. How "darK" characters have become, or whatever. But his attempt is failing as a story, and as a satire. Because ASB&R is not a satire - it's a parody, falling well short of a good satire.

Miller's commentary isn't subtle at all - you're beat over the head with it again and again. Hell, it took four issues to get Robin out of the Batmobile. And even then Miller has Robin comment about it. Superman, a "light" superhero, is written as a complete baffoon. Miller, we get your point. Stop slamming our heads against a wall with it and get on with the plot.

Over the years I've loved Frank Miller. Which is pretty much the reason why I've continued to buy this series every month (or three). But, so far, I think he's way off base here. He isn't writing a decent story. He isn't putting his spin on old characters (instead creating new ones). And he certainly isn't making any type of insightful commentary.

[Puffy Fugu]

Sure wacky can be respectable and enjoyable.

The thing is, this comic isn't even doing "wacky" very well.

I beg to differ on the wacky part. Respectable, well that's another story. >_>

[curefreak]

i wonder if the succeding issues are gonna be more over the top since that seems like the direction its going and that way frank miller can pretend that was his idea all along.

to me it seems maybe he was going for iconic and then when he saw the feedback after #3 he decided to run in that direction sort of like a "wink wink nudge nudge" to the fans even tho i dont think it was planned or started off that way at all.

[Dustin Griffin]

i wonder if the succeding issues are gonna be more over the top since that seems like the direction its going and that way frank miller can pretend that was his idea all along.

to me it seems maybe he was going for iconic and then when he saw the feedback after #3 he decided to run in that direction sort of like a "wink wink nudge nudge" to the fans even tho i dont think it was planned or started off that way at all.

that was all I could think when I read the "feels like we've been in the car for days" line.

[King Krypton]

95% of the Batmen have eaten rats at one point or another.

Since when? The only other possible story where that could have happened was "No Man's Land," in which it wouldn't have been a stretch because Gotham was cut off from the outside world as food was in short supply. Other than that, this argument holds no weight to me. Especially since Millerbat is trying to force Dick to eat rats against his and Alfred's will.

[Hellcow]

It's kinda doing wacky in spite of itself. :)


SEAN


Exactly. It's like a stand up comedian who's getting a lot of laughs. But the crowds not laughing with him, they're laughing at him.

[Bradpinder]

ok boys and girls, one question... for those of you who dont like the book... are you going to get the next issue?

[Dustin Griffin]

ok boys and girls, one question... for those of you who dont like the book... are you going to get the next issue?

If by "get" you mean "pay money for" then I'm a no.

[billrob23]

No, but I will pester my buddy until he gives it to me.

[ducklord]

ok boys and girls, one question... for those of you who dont like the book... are you going to get the next issue?

After reading this thread, I think a more salient question might be: How many of us who originally picked up this title expecting "The Next Great Batman Story" are now buying it purely for its slow-moving-trainwreck/MST3K/questionably-intentional comedic value?

I suspect that, years from now, people will still be wondering whether or not Miller's ASBARTBW was a put-on. If Frank's smart, he'll never answer.

Mike.