All-Purpose Spider-Man 3

[Captain Sarcasm]

http://filmforce.ign.com/spider-man/articles/585/585132p1.html

Sam Raimi gives reporters a juicy tidbit at the 'Boogeyman' Premeire.

As some journalists lacked a bit of subtlety, the Spider-Man 3 villain question came up almost immediately for Raimi: "Actually, I'm not allowed to say about the villains or the heroes or the storylines or themes of the picture yet. I think Sony wants to make their own presentation, and not for probably like a year, when it gets [closer] to the release of the picture. I think they want to keep it quiet and at some point in the future make a proper presentation, probably with an illustration or a mock-up of the character when they cast him, the name of the character… Or her," Raimi laughs, trying to maintain the illusion of who the character might be. (Laughs) "Tricky, that one. I'm actually just not at liberty to say, but I'm sure that they will make that presentation whenever they determine the time."

Noting that Raimi is in good spirits about the whole rumor issue, another journalist suggests that Raimi simply give a little wink if Venom will be the villain.

Raimi laughs and jokingly winks at us. "There's something in my eye." (Laughs)

*Crosses fingers and prays.* Bruce Campbell as Venom, Bruce Campbell as Venom, Bruce Campbell as Venom...

[Gaz]

http://filmforce.ign.com/spider-man/articles/585/585132p1.html

Sam Raimi gives reporters a juicy tidbit at the 'Boogeyman Premeire.'



*Crosses fingers and prays.* Bruce Campbell as Venom, Bruce Campbell as Venom, Bruce Campbell as Venom...
"Grooovy!" *licks lips* :evilsmile

[Artemis1]

No! No No No No!

[Artemis1]

Me want Lizard(or Green Goblin 2)!

[lboinyamouf4sho]

i don't want to see venom in a movie, i'd rather see the lizard, the goblin and most of all kraven. if they make kraven a cross betwenn the origonal and ultimate i think it would work well for a movie, throw in vermin as a subplot.

[Gaz]

I had the idea of using a lower tier villain like Shocker in a Bond type opening sequence. You get another action scene, namecheck more villains and have room for quipping Spidey as there is no personal involvement.

[Artemis1]

I hope Venom is not confirmed. I would be sad if he is. =>(

[Gaz]

Me want Lizard(or Green Goblin 2)!
GG2 is a little repetitive and lesser than Norman and, much as I like Dylan, Lizard is not primary villain material for a movie. He'd become just a plain ol' boring dumb monster for 90 mins.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I had the idea of using a lower tier villain like Shocker in a Bond type opening sequence. You get another action scene, namecheck more villains and have room for quipping Spidey as there is no personal involvement.


that is a very good idea, it would work for jjj to blame spidey for an increase in nutjob criminals in the city as well.

[Donald M.]

Venom is stupid, boring and empty, the lamest of all big name Spidey villains. (Well, after Carnage, who's basically Venom plus Hannibal Lecter, minus class and the intelligence.) Raimi would be an idiot to use him.

[Donald M.]

that is a very good idea, it would work for jjj to blame spidey for an increase in nutjob criminals in the city as well.

Sure. It would be cool if they had a montage featuring Spidey wooping on just about every deadweight lameass in his rogues gallery, to illustrate how his mere existence is bringing all sorts of costumed crazies out of the woodworks. Shocker, the Grizzly, the Gibbon, the Kangaroo, the Spot, etc.)

[Dennis K]

Venom? Commence projectile vomiting and explosive diarrhea.

[Captain Sarcasm]

Sure. It would be cool if they had a montage featuring Spidey wooping on just about every deadweight lameass in his rogues gallery, to illustrate how his mere existence is bringing all sorts of costumed crazies out of the woodworks. Shocker, the Grizzly, the Gibbon, the Kangaroo, the Spot, etc.)

Go call Alex Ross, we'll do it over the opening credits.

[Gaz]

Venom is stupid, boring and empty, the lamest of all big name Spidey villains. (Well, after Carnage, who's basically Venom plus Hannibal Lecter, minus class and the intelligence.) Raimi would be an idiot to use him.
I feel the same about Harry as GG, to each their own.
OTOH they could use...





The Mandrill!!!!! :D

[Greg Hatcher]

I think it's a little early yet for the sackcloth and ashes. Kidding around with a reporter is hardly "confirmation," and considering there's no reason at all they couldn't change their minds a half-dozen times between now and shooting, not to mention the fact that it sounds like Raimi was just playing with the guy... I wouldn't worry about it.

[ComputerWizkid89]

http://filmforce.ign.com/spider-man/articles/585/585132p1.html

Sam Raimi gives reporters a juicy tidbit at the 'Boogeyman Premeire.'



*Crosses fingers and prays.* Bruce Campbell as Venom, Bruce Campbell as Venom, Bruce Campbell as Venom...

Ooooo myy goddddddd!!!! One of my favorite actors as Venom? I grew up with Evil Dead! I bet he'll get it because the director and him are like BEST friends :D

Im praying with ya Captain!

[Gaz]

They can even reconcile his cameos as Brock researching stories...

[Donald M.]

I feel the same about Harry as GG, to each their own.
OTOH they could use...





The Mandrill!!!!! :D

I don't want to see Harry as GG either. Personally I'm pulling for either the Lizard or Mysterio. Also, if the series goes beyone three installments, I'd like to see the tackle Kraven's Last Hunt.

[ComputerWizkid89]

I don't want to see Harry as GG either. Personally I'm pulling for either the Lizard or Mysterio. Also, if the series goes beyone three installments, I'd like to see the tackle Kraven's Last Hunt.

Symbiote Spider-man would be great too.

[Donald M.]

If they do go with Venom, then if they skipped the alien nonsense and used the Ultimate origin, well I still wouldn't like it, but it would suck slightly less.

Hell, if they go with the Ultimate version Venom could potentially be cool, but no Eddie Brock, no Bruce Campbell, no, no, no.

[Michael P]

The "another reporter" is full of crap. Raimi's already said he doesn't want to use Venom.

[Captain Sarcasm]

I honestly don't get all the animosity towards Venom. I agree, he's pretty much the incarnation of all that was wrong with comics in the 90's, up there with the Death of Superman, Spawn and Rob Liefeld, but I think that Sam Raimi is a competent enough director to pull it off. There's something very iconic about the villian being a direct opposite of the hero.

In another sense, this could be seen as the first villian that Movie Spider-Man had a direct hand in creating. In addition, whatever protection his secret identiy and spider-sense offered is now gone, and Venom is strong and fast enough to break Spidey in half. If done right, this could be the darkest Spider-Man movie yet.

[DDM]

Venom is stupid, boring and empty, the lamest of all big name Spidey villains. (Well, after Carnage, who's basically Venom plus Hannibal Lecter, minus class and the intelligence.) Raimi would be an idiot to use him.

David Michinline (sp?) & Todd McFarlane turned Venom into a credible villain in the late 80's; the stories are still good today. Unfortunately, in the early 90's, Marvel overexposed Venom--the same way Marvel is overexposing Wolverine today--by trying to turn a sick villain into an anti-hero. Venom just didn't work as an anti-hero. Furthermore, Carnage, whose symbiote is linked to serial killer, is much worse than a deranged Venom. Marvel just went overboard with Venom & he has not recovered yet since his most recent uninspired series bombed.

I'm just puzzled how they are going to introduce Venom in the movie since the symbiote came from the Beyonder world in Secret Wars; Venom was created until years later...

[Captain Sarcasm]

I'm just puzzled how they are going to introduce Venom in the movie since the symbiote came from the Beyonder world in Secret Wars; Venom was created until years later...

Well, in the cartoon, they had John Jameson pick up the symboite from somewhere in space. Raimi mentioned that in the article, and they might try something similiar, if they use him.

[Grant]

I honestly don't get all the animosity towards Venom. I agree, he's pretty much the incarnation of all that was wrong with comics in the 90's, up there with the Death of Superman, Spawn and Rob Liefeld, but I think that Sam Raimi is a competent enough director to pull it off. There's something very iconic about the villian being a direct opposite of the hero.

In another sense, this could be seen as the first villian that Movie Spider-Man had a direct hand in creating. In addition, whatever protection his secret identiy and spider-sense offered is now gone, and Venom is strong and fast enough to break Spidey in half. If done right, this could be the darkest Spider-Man movie yet.

I rather just see more of the classic villans. I mean the "evil twin" concept is usually used when you just ran out of decent bad guy ideas. Spider-man's rogues gallery is so diverse I'd even prefer to see the Vulture over Venom. He's just a pretty dull character to me. His origin and motivation are pretty dull and visually he's just Spider-man painted black with teeth.

I really don't think Raimi is using Venom though. A supposed wink isn't a solid confirmation. And I've read hundreds of stories where a producer or a director winks at a question and it doesn't lead to anything.

[Artemis1]

I just think Harry as the Green Goblin would raise up the stakes and drama. I absolutely love the GG2 comics.

[cactusmaac]

Harry as Venom would be interesting.

[Artemis1]

That's NEVER going to happen. It's a fairly good idea, though.

[Gaz]

The "another reporter" is full of crap. Raimi's already said he doesn't want to use Venom.
I think he said he'd ONLY do it if Bruce played him...

[Trystenn]

Oh i honestly thought it would be Lizard, or Werewolf By Night.

[SteelTownr]

I'd love to see the Sandman because I think that he would look really cool on the big screen.

Mark B.

[iwarrior]

Venom is a great villian. I don't care what anyone says. He was a stroke of genius courtesy of Dave Michelinie and Todd McFarlane. I was in my early teens when he debuted,and I can still remember the excitement of it all. He was one of the most exciting new Spidey foes in ages and still has a ton of potential. Hell,even people I knew that didn't read comics knew of Venom and thought he was cool.

However,I think it might be a little early for Venom to appear in the movies. If he does,Henry Rollins should play him.

[pennywisdom]

First of all, Raimi did the wink as a joke... he's got a very glib sense of humor (one of the things I like about him) so if you think that's a big give-away, you're wrong.

Secondly, just like in comics, it's not the character, it's what they do with the character. The villain could be Hypno-Hustler for all I care. The important thing is that they somehow create a compelling story using strong characterization and interesting thematic content. We're two movies into the series with ZERO indications that they can't deliver. Watching the Spider-Man 2 DVD is a great reminder of what kind of hands the third movie will be in. So, I'm confident, Venom or not.

Anyway, things are looking better for Spider-Man 3 than they are for the third X-Men movie.

[Blink85]

Venom would make a lot better sense as the basis for the second arc I say finish up this Mary Jane/Peter/Harry triangle with Harry as the HobGoblin and Dr. Conners as Lizard, Kill Mary Jane and have Conners as a redeamable bad guy.

Second three films should be a Venom/Duality of Spiderman arc

Spiderman 4 introduce Eddie Brock (Bruce Cambell), new female Gwen Stacy (Sarah Michelle Gellar), villian Scorpian (Paul Giamitti pre Scorps CGI post scorps) and Sandman (David Keith) Black Costume.

Spiderman 5 Black costume rebels, Gwen Stacy becomes the Black Cat!! Eddie Brock Loses his job. Morbius (Orlando Bloom), Rhyno for a first act villian.

Spiderman 6 Brock becomes Venom, Spiderman vs Venom

[Flawless P]

Venom is a must have... any other story would be a simple remake of 1 and 2, Venom brings so much depth to the story... hate and pain, the love of his life gets captured and he must save her.... I actually kinda like the Morbius Idea as well.

[Grant]

Venom is a must have... any other story would be a simple remake of 1 and 2, Venom brings so much depth to the story... hate and pain, the love of his life gets captured and he must save her....

that sounds like a remake of 1 and 2 to me.

[StrawNilla]

First of all, Raimi did the wink as a joke... he's got a very glib sense of humor (one of the things I like about him) so if you think that's a big give-away, you're wrong.

Secondly, just like in comics, it's not the character, it's what they do with the character. The villain could be Hypno-Hustler for all I care. The important thing is that they somehow create a compelling story using strong characterization and interesting thematic content. We're two movies into the series with ZERO indications that they can't deliver. Watching the Spider-Man 2 DVD is a great reminder of what kind of hands the third movie will be in. So, I'm confident, Venom or not.

Anyway, things are looking better for Spider-Man 3 than they are for the third X-Men movie.
I absolutely agree. Let's just sit back and see what they do with whoever's next in line.

[Phrozen]

I would rather have Harry as the Hobgoblin.

[StrawNilla]

I would rather have Harry as the Hobgoblin.
Why's that? May I ask.

[Phrozen]

Why's that? May I ask.

It wraps up the little subplot that has been going through all three movies and the fact that Venom is very lame.

[meethraa]

If this is really the last movie with this team then Venom would be a logical choice (with Harry's storyline being "resolved" in a positive note). And though Bruce Campbell would be great, I'd really love to see someone older-looking playing Brock. And someone who could pull off a character who's a bigger loser than Peter Parker. Although, if Venom turns out to be the villain (and I think it will), John Jameson is the obvious choice.

[Captain Sarcasm]

It wraps up the little subplot that has been going through all three movies and the fact that Venom is very lame.

Yeah, but Raimi's spoken very negatively on that idea. I mean, first Harry thinks that spidey's evil and he killed his dad for no reason, but then he learns that Spidey's actually his best freind and his dad was a mass-murdering psychopath in a power ranger suit. My dad's a pretty cool guy, but if he suddenly turned out to be Atomic Skull, following in his footsteps would not be high on the priorities list.

[Grant]

Yeah, but Raimi's spoken very negatively on that idea. I mean, first Harry thinks that spidey's evil and he killed his dad for no reason, but then he learns that Spidey's actually his best freind and his dad was a mass-murdering psychopath in a power ranger suit. My dad's a pretty cool guy, but if he suddenly turned out to be Atomic Skull, following in his footsteps would not be high on the priorities list.

He could be misleading people. Tobey Maguire called him out on that on the dvd commentary.

[Predator]

If #3 will be the last Spidey movie with the regular stars, then I would like to see the Goblin story wrapped up.

OTOH, I think that if done right, Venom could be awesome. Just tweak the Ultimate version a bit. Have Brock be a darker character. He's been kicked down on all his life, but now he has this power and he can have almost anything he wants. (Maybe as an aside, the symbiote could somehow incorporate some of Pete's DNA, giving Venom the Spidey-like powers) Pete tries to stop Brock, so now Eddie's making Pete's life a living hell by stalking MJ and May. The upside to having a villain like Venom is that it would be someone who could take Peter on a physical level. No tentacles or gliders, but with his bare hands. Could be good.

[Captain Sarcasm]

If #3 will be the last Spidey movie with the regular stars, then I would like to see the Goblin story wrapped up.

There are a lot of ways to wrap the story up. I'd personally like to see Harry struggling against and defeating the ghost of his father, with Peter's help, then putting on the green suit and blowing stuff up.

[mattbib]

Yuck...Venom. So many better characters I'd rather see in the third film. My ideal would be harry as the Green Goblin, with Black Cat as a love interest/anti-villain.

[Nate Grey]

There are a lot of ways to wrap the story up. I'd personally like to see Harry struggling against and defeating the ghost of his father, with Peter's help, then putting on the green suit and blowing stuff up.

I pretty much agree with this. GG2 as the prominent villain would be too redundant.

I have faith in whomever Raimi uses, and I have faith he won't go the GG2 route. He may not use Venom, but I'm 99% sure he won't use GG2, either.

[Scorpion13]

Im all for Bruce Campbell as Venom, but I hope we dont get GG again. I love the character, but it may be nicer to get the Hobgoblin instead.

[Steve]

I'd love to see the Sandman because I think that he would look really cool on the big screen.

Mark B.
Excellent idea!

Especially, with today's CG technology.

[Captain Sarcasm]

Im all for Bruce Campbell as Venom, but I hope we dont get GG again. I love the character, but it may be nicer to get the Hobgoblin instead.

Meh...the Hobgoblin's really just the Green Goblin with a hood, isn't he?

[Grant]

Meh...the Hobgoblin's really just the Green Goblin with a hood, isn't he?

Pretty much. And Venom is a bulky black spider-man with teeth. Reason why I don't want to see either of them in the next movie.

[Headhunter]

Venom as a movie villain is cool. Venom as a movie villain, given the current state of Marvel CG in films, with the current sensibilities of the creatives involved, is a bad idea.

[cable guy]

I'm wishing hard for Venom.

[Captain Sarcasm]

Pretty much. And Venom is a bulky black spider-man with teeth. Reason why I don't want to see either of them in the next movie.

Venom's also a villian that:

1) Knows who Spider-Man is.

2) Cannot be detected by Spider-Man's spider-sense.

3) Can disguise himself and stalk Peter and his family without exposing his venomosity.

4) Was created as a direct result of Spider-Man being all Do-Goodery. GG would have happened anyway, and possibly Dock Ock.

5) Could break Spider-Man over his knee like a dry twig.

What's better dramatically than an undetectable, nigh-invincible antagonist that only came about because of the protagonist trying to be good? Here we've had Spider-Man question whether he should protect innocents or his loved ones and question whether he should be Spider-Man or Peter Parker. Here, with Venom, possibly Harry and a montage of B-List costumed supervillians, he could question whether being Spider-Man is actually doing more harm than it is good. That, to me, sounds like it would make one kick-ass Spider-Man movie.

[Grant]

What's better dramatically than an undetectable, nigh-invincible antagonist that only came about because of the protagonist trying to be good? Here we've had Spider-Man question whether he should protect innocents or his loved ones and question whether he should be Spider-Man or Peter Parker. Here, with Venom, possibly Harry and a montage of B-List costumed supervillians, he could question whether being Spider-Man is actually doing more harm than it is good. That, to me, sounds like it would make one kick-ass Spider-Man movie.

Sure but in my mind it's just too easy. Putting Spidey's life in jeopardy is good for a cheap thrill but ultimately I think he's at his best helping other people then saving his own skin. The movie Doc Ock and Green Goblin put many other lives in jeopardy outside of Spider-man and Mary Jane which raised the stakes.

To me Venom is just a shallow villan in a nice costume. Like I said he only targets Spider-man and has a weak and lame revenge motivation. And he does the same thing as Spider-man (other then that nifty disguise and immune to spider senses) and personally I like to see something new versus another guy just swinging on webs. And the overly complicated origin doesn't help anything.

Now I'm not saying Raimi can't bring more depth to Venom like he did with Doc Ock but I'm more interested in seeing "losers" like Vulture and Mysterio turned into major threats in the movies. At least those characters have a unique visual design and powers. It's just too early to bring on an evil version of Spider-man. And no matter how you slice it that's what Venom is and that's why people like him. Which is fine I, a few films down the road I say bring on Venom.

I think Raimi could make it work but I rather see him take on the classic bad guys which he has an affinity for.

Whatever, if you want Venom I can't fault you for it. I just rather see someone else.

[Grant]

Larry David says he was approached for a role in Spider-man 3. I'm guessing he's playing Venom.

AICN (http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=19387)

[Cyclaud]

Larry David says he was approached for a role in Spider-man 3. I'm guessing he's playing Venom.

AICN (http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=19387)

No, he's playing Hobgoblin.

[Slayven]

The Villian will be........


























The Commuter.....Terror carpools Summer 2006

[Grant]

Superherohype (http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=2735) says Chloe Sevigny auditoned for a bad guy role for Spider-man 3. Apparently the bad guy will be "blonde and buxom."

Sounds like Venom to me.

[GremlinClr]

Superherohype (http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=2735) says Chloe Sevigny auditoned for a bad guy role for Spider-man 3. Apparently the bad guy will be "blonde and buxom."

Sounds like Venom to me.

They'll probably have her as Black Cat then. Start out bad and be good by films end. I doubt she'll be the only villian tho.

[Grant]

They'll probably have her as Black Cat then. Start out bad and be good by films end. I doubt she'll be the only villian tho.

Well Goblin II will most likely be the other one. She'll probably be the only new villan.

[HomerJay]

Superherohype (http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=2735) says Chloe Sevigny auditoned for a bad guy role for Spider-man 3. Apparently the bad guy will be "blonde and buxom."

That's about the worst casting idea I've heard so far...
Jessica Biel was BORN to play Black Cat, and if they can't get her, I can think of at least 20 other actresses (beginning with Elisha Cuthbert) that would fit the role better than Chloe Sevigny.

[Grant]

That's about the worst casting idea I've heard so far...
Jessica Biel was BORN to play Black Cat, and if they can't get her, I can think of at least 20 other actresses (beginning with Elisha Cuthbert) that would fit the role better than Chloe Sevigny.

She wasn't cast in the role (at least that we know of) she just auditioned for it.

[HomerJay]

She wasn't cast in the role (at least that we know of) she just auditioned for it.

I never thought she was cast, I was just bemoaning the fact that she might even be CONSIDERED.
Felicia Hardy needs to be buxom and very sexy (basically if a Pamela Anderson type were to play Catwoman). Sevigny is neither.
The majority of Raimi's casting choices have been outstanding, so it makes me wonder if the reports of her "audition" are even accurate.

[Grant]

I never thought she was cast, I was just bemoaning the fact that she might even be CONSIDERED.

Well they are probably looking at a lot of different people some may look the part and some may not. It's generally encouraged during casting to look at people who may not look 100% how the writer or the souce material describes the character. Because they might fit the character dramatically.

[cable guy]

I'm still hoping for Venom.

[cable guy]

Who is Chloe Sevigny?

[Grant]

Who is Chloe Sevigny?

She's an actress mostly did indie movies like Boys Don't Cry, Kids, and recently pretty well known for an "intimate" scene with Vincent Galloin the movie Brown Bunny.

[Grant]

I'm still hoping for Venom.

Keep hoping cause it's probably not going to happen.

[GremlinClr]

She's an actress mostly did indie movies like Boys Don't Cry, Kids, and recently pretty well known for an "intimate" scene with Vincent Galloin the movie Brown Bunny.

That was her? I'm sorry, but when you perform any "real" sex act in a movie, you might as well just introduce yourself as a porn actress. That's really all that seperates the two fields: both act, one has sex.

[Grant]

That was her? I'm sorry, but when you perform any "real" sex act in a movie, you might as well just introduce yourself as a porn actress. That's really all that seperates the two fields: both act, one has sex.

Actually I have had heard stories that plenty of "real" actors peforming "real" sex in movies.

Personally I don't care what two consenting adults do. I mean Jenna Jameson and Traci Lords acted in non porn movies.

[cable guy]

She's an actress mostly did indie movies like Boys Don't Cry, Kids, and recently pretty well known for an "intimate" scene with Vincent Galloin the movie Brown Bunny.

Thanks for the reply.

[cable guy]

Keep hoping cause it's probably not going to happen.

I am not really too optimistic about it honestly.

[MicBK]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=8877

[GremlinClr]

I can't imagine him as any Spidey villian. I mean he really wouldn't fit as Venom and that's who is speculated. I don't know, I guess it'll leak sometime in the near future.

[Donald M.]

So I guess this means the Lizard definately won't be Spidey's next villain.

It could still be suck-ass Venom, but for some reason the casting of Thomas Haden Church raise my confidence in the possibility of my favorite Spider-Man villain, Mysterio!

[MicBK]

the big rumor so far is Sandman

[Dennis K]

the big rumor so far is Sandman


Isn't that who Tobey Macguire wants it to be?

[Patient Boy]

Spidey versus Morpheus... now there's an idea.

What do you mean not that Sandman?

[Donald M.]

Sandman wouldn't be so bad. Electro would be cool also.

[MicBK]

Isn't that who Toby wants it to be?

i'm not sure...just seen his name tossed around alot. am i the only one that thinks he's a ringer for Electro???

[MicBK]

Sandman wouldn't be so bad. Electro would be cool also.

there you go...beat me to it.

[dougputhoff]

Weird Irony:

Hayden Church played the villain in "George of the Jungle", a live-action movie based on a Jay Ward cartoon. Alfred Molina, who played Doctor Octopus in Spidey II, played Snidley Whiplash in "Dudley Do-Right", a live-action movie also based on a Jay Ward cartoon.

[Donald M.]

The more I think about it, the more I'm liking Electro as the next villain.

There was talk of Raimi choosing the villain based on where he wants to take Peter Parker's story next, and in comics continuity Electro was the first villain to flat-out defeat Spider-Man, at least in their first encounter.

[MicBK]

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/pages/56605743384.1.P3.GIF

http://www.twitchfilm.net/pics/thomas_haden_church_1.jpg

see it?

[Donald M.]

Yep, I'm definately feeling good about Electro.

Mostly because he's not Venom. ;)

[Ryan K]

Sideways was amazing. Great news.

[Donald M.]

Now that I think back on it, Electro was the first villain I ever pictured Spidey fighting on the big screen back when the first movie was announced, even before I heard about Sam Raimi's treatment which featured Electro and Sandman as villain.

I think they should stick with Max Dillon's original backstory where he's a telephone lineman who gets struck by lighting. Movie Spidey needs a villain who's a normal guy, instead some crazy scientist or whatever.

I even dreamed up a really detailed teaser trailer in my head years ago. Most of it's gone now, but I remember it had Max Dillon up on the telephone line getting struck by lighting, an ambulance arrives and he's being taken away, the EMT in back using the defibrillator to revive him, and then the ambulance suddenly goes off the road, all the windows explode outward, the tires pop, the red lights on top burst, and suddenly the back doors fly open and you see a figure obscured by thick smoke, full of quick flashes like lightning building up in a thunderhead.

[Brock]

I wonder how they'll deal with the Harry Osborn plotline, if they're not making him the antagonist in part 3? (Assuming they stick to the one villain per film rule).

[Donald M.]

Probably he'll end up bankrolling Electro to take on Spiderman.

In the comics, at least originally, Electro could generate Electricity but couldn't really do anything with it if he wasn't actually touching someone. He needed a special suit in order to be able to cast bolts of electricity. I could see Harry and Dillon working together to adapt the Goblin armor into something he could use.

Of course, that's just one possibility.

[Sean Walsh]

Lowell Mather as Electro.




That'd just be too @#&$ing awesome for words to describe.... :)

[Artemis1]

in comics continuity Electro was the first villain to flat-out defeat Spider-Man, at least in their first encounter.

No. Actually the first one to beat Spidey head on is Dock Ock.

[Artemis1]

Final possibilities:

Hobgoblin(I don't know why, but I think Tommy Lee Jones would rock as him)
Sandman
Electro(Meh)
Black Cat(as a side villain)

[Dennis K]

Well, it's true, Church is definitely going to be Spidey's new nemesis.

[ace hole]

i can't see electro being a particularly spectacular visual villan. id like sandman or mysterio.

[Dennis K]

i can't see electro being a particularly spectacular visual villan. id like sandman or mysterio.

From my fanboy perspective, I'd rather have it be Electro, but from a strictly visual standpoint, I can't imagine anybody being better than Mysterio.

[Artemis1]

By a special source, I was told who the villain is. Stunning, yet scary.

[StrawNilla]

They should change Thomas's name to Max Power or something.

Just knowing the guy's real name is Thomas Haden Church will make him that less manacing.

[Artemis1]

Still cannot believe the villain. They had GG and Dock, but THIS baddie is a monster. Shocking. I do not want to spoil people.

[Tobias March]

Sideways was amazing. Great news.

Ah but what of Mr. Church's 'other' superhero film.....the Specials :D

[GremlinClr]

Still cannot believe the villain. They had GG and Dock, but THIS baddie is a monster. Shocking. I do not want to spoil people.

Alright. We get it. You keep laying on the hints this thick and we're gonna suffocate. I'll ask if you'll quit hinting.

Please, please, pretty please tell us who the big bad is? :rolleyes:

[Artemis1]

Alright. We get it. You keep laying on the hints this thick and we're gonna suffocate. I'll ask if you'll quit hinting.

Please, please, pretty please tell us who the big bad is? :rolleyes:

It's





THE VULTURE!!!!

:p

[Artemis1]

http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/pictures/cartoon/2-14-2.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=2758

[Adaptoid]

Sandman would be a great bad guy for the movie because the special effects for his powers are fully developed already. You could have a very believable Sandman. Electro or the Shocker might be good ones too - plausible. I'd hate to see Venom or the Vulture, but Mysterio might work very, very well. What plotline are we looking at? If they got a good story for any of these bad guys, I'm for any of them.

Maybe the plot from Annual #4 or ASM #14 -- where Spidey is tempted by a movie offer which turns out to be a setup. Goblin and Mysterio were involved in those. I still think the Lizard and the Goblin 2 will be the center of Spider-Man 3 in spite of these rumors. Plotline from ASM 44-45 could easily be adapted.

[Chou Blaster]

Ah but what of Mr. Church's 'other' superhero film.....the Specials :D

It was a funny parody on Super Films.

One part that sticks out: Shrinking Man's action figure, did not match his ethicity.. Ohhh the irony.

ANd that CBR way Chruch described how he could take Rob Low (Spdier Man lite of this team.)

"You got the powers of a We-vil. but I got laser eye beams!"

[Artemis1]

Sandman would be a great bad guy for the movie because the special effects for his powers are fully developed already. You could have a very believable Sandman. Electro or the Shocker might be good ones too - plausible. I'd hate to see Venom or the Vulture, but Mysterio might work very, very well. What plotline are we looking at? If they got a good story for any of these bad guys, I'm for any of them.

Maybe the plot from Annual #4 or ASM #14 -- where Spidey is tempted by a movie offer which turns out to be a setup. Goblin and Mysterio were involved in those. I still think the Lizard and the Goblin 2 will be the center of Spider-Man 3 in spite of these rumors. Plotline from ASM 44-45 could easily be adapted.


Hello. Read my post. It tells who the villain is.

[Grant]

Hello. Read my post. It tells who the villain is.

Really? That can't be it.

[OverMaster]

I think it will be the Hobgoblin. Harry has all that Goblin equipment now, but for some reason he doesn't want to be the Goblin himself, so he hires someone else to become Hobgoblin (Jason Macendale?).

[Phil Clark]

All I know is that Thomas Haden Church (despite an academy award nomination) cannot act. And he is annoying as crap. So I will see this just to see Tobey kick his sorry ass.

[ReptileJK]

Hello. Read my post. It tells who the villain is.

Is that really who it will be? It seemed to me that they did all this work to sort of set the stage for The Lizard or Harry as the goblin. Why do that if you're not going to use one (or both) of those villians?

[Phil Clark]

Can you say "franchise"?

I knew that you could. Sometimes it if fun for a film maker to tease the audience with things that may happen down the road. That way when Dr. Conners becomes the lizard, you really know him, and it has more impact.

[Nate Grey]

All I know is that Thomas Haden Church (despite an academy award nomination) cannot act. And he is annoying as crap. So I will see this just to see Tobey kick his sorry ass.

I dunno, I thought he was great in Ned and Stacy. Really loved that show. :)

[Nate Grey]

Can you say "franchise"?

I knew that you could. Sometimes it if fun for a film maker to tease the audience with things that may happen down the road. That way when Dr. Conners becomes the lizard, you really know him, and it has more impact.

That, and not to mention they already name-dropped Eddie Brock in part 2.

[Phil Clark]

Oh, I suspect we have already seen Eddie Brock. Think about it.

[Artemis1]

The _______ gets laser beams.

[monkeywarplane]

I immeditely thought Sandman when I read this this morning...

Stuart

[Artemis1]

Announcement to people who read my post.
APRIL FOOLS!

[Gaz]

All I know is that Thomas Haden Church (despite an academy award nomination) cannot act. And he is annoying as crap. So I will see this just to see Tobey kick his sorry ass.
Did you see a different Alexander Payne movie than me? He's great in Sideways.

[Phil Clark]

I haven't seen sideways, but I have seen clips from it, and he comes off as Ned to me. My opinion is that he doesn't act, he just reads lines as himself. Remembering and reciting lines and acting are two different things. I just find him totally annoying and whiny. But that is just my opinion.

[Gaz]

I haven't seen sideways, but I have seen clips from it, and he comes off as Ned to me. My opinion is that he doesn't act, he just reads lines as himself. Remembering and reciting lines and acting are two different things. I just find him totally annoying and whiny. But that is just my opinion.
He starts like that, but is deeper as the movie goes on. Ned was just an amiable moron, in Sideways he's an ass, a friend, a sad human being and a big brother at various points.

[The Joker]

Great casting!

Wouldnt mind Church as VENOM, but he would probably make a much better ELECTRO.

THE SANDMAN is alright, but I'll be disappointed if it's him in the sequel. Visually, SANDMAN will come across on the silver screen as something really special. But I think most people would prefer another villian.

I have to say that I loved the way MYSTERIO was presented in the Spider-Man 2 game. Wouldnt mind seeing something along those lines in a Spidey sequel.

[SteelTownr]

Great casting!

Wouldnt mind Church as VENOM, but he would probably make a much better ELECTRO.

THE SANDMAN is alright, but I'll be disappointed if it's him in the sequel. Visually, SANDMAN will come across on the silver screen as something really special. But I think most people would prefer another villian.

I have to say that I loved the way MYSTERIO was presented in the Spider-Man 2 game. Wouldnt mind seeing something along those lines in a Spidey sequel.

Mysterio was a weak joke in the Video game. At least as far as I have gotten. You pretty much punch him out in the convenience store.

He was easy. Swinging around in the burning theater was what was hard.

Mark B.

[SteelTownr]

I hope that they go with Sandman.

I think that he would look great on film and he's kinda cool because he wound up kinda good himself.

I guess that they already did Villain who redeems himself with Doc Ock, so who knows?

If it is the Vulture, I'll puke, but he is better than Venom.

Mark B.

[Grant]

THE SANDMAN is alright, but I'll be disappointed if it's him in the sequel. Visually, SANDMAN will come across on the silver screen as something really special. But I think most people would prefer another villian.


I think most people don't care as long as it looks cool and the story is good. Seems like Raimi is more concerned about the story then anything. He said he didn't decide on the villan until he came up with the story. So that's a good sign. I'm rooting for Sandman right now.

Though I'm convinced Mysterio could be pretty awesome if done right.

[Steve]

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[Artemis1]

It can't be!

[Grant]

It can't be!

Oh but it is.

[Nate Grey]

Here's a treat (http://www.americandreamcomics.com/index.php?catid=190&itemid=6605) for you all.

That's nice. And when they have something stronger than "multiple spies" reporting it, I'll actually believe it.

[Grant]

That's nice. And when they have something stronger than "multiple spies" reporting it, I'll actually believe it.

I think they are right this time. He seems to fit the character better then any other villan.

[Nate Grey]

I think they are right this time. He seems to fit the character better then any other villan.

Yeah, but aren't you biased against Venom, anyway? That seems the most logical to ME, but even if the "multiple spies" reported him, I STILL wouldn't believe it until I heard an OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT from Sony, Raimi, or even Church.

[Artemis1]

I think they are right this time. He seems to fit the character better then any other villan.

Actually, Church looks more like Electro than anyone else.

[Grant]

Actually, Church looks more like Electro than anyone else.

I think personality wise he strikes me closer to Sandman. He kind of has a beach bum look that might compliment the character.

Electro doesn't really look like anyone to me. I've seen him draw so many different ways. I think Church could play him but I kind of count Electro out because we've already seen a lot of electric powered guys in movies lately. Raimi seems to be looking for something different.

[Grant]

Yeah, but aren't you biased against Venom, anyway?

I don't see what that has to do with anything. Do you think he'd be a good Venom? Especially if his face is covered by the mask.

[Nate Grey]

I don't see what that has to do with anything.

Would have still said "I think they are right this time" if the "multiple spies" had reported Venom instead? I think its a RUMOR regardless of if the villian "picked" is someone's favorite or not.

Do you think he'd be a good Venom?

As a matter of fact I do, Church has that arrogant bully look about him.

That's what *I* think. But I"m not making the movie.

I think he should be Venom. Raimi may disagree.

You think he should be Sandman (or at least not Venom). Raimi may disagree.

Everyone can think he should be someone else, but I guess what we'll have to do is figure how Raimi will look at it. And since I don't know how his mind works, I'll just wait until I get an official announcement. Which I don't think will be until late 2006 since the movie is two years away.

[The Joker]

Well Raimi has stated a few times that he's not really a fan of VENOM. He prefers the classic Spidey villians, so this isnt really at all surprising to me. I was hoping Raimi may have changed his mind about Venom. But this latest news is pretty much the nail in the coffin as far as Venom is concerned. I'm actually convinced that the "Spider-Man" franchise, under Raimi's direction, will in no way, shape, or form use Venom. Unless he's FORCED to.

Personally, I think Church would have made a fine Eddie Brock. He's a fine actor, and one that can definately do the character of Venom/Eddie Brock justice. The Sandman has always been a thug. He's a pretty hollow villian. And when compared to Venom, he's lightyears behind. As Venom is a much more complex character than Sandman could ever hope to be.

If this is true, which it probably is, it really is a shame.

[Grant]

Would have still said "I think they are right this time" if the "multiple spies" had reported Venom instead? I think its a RUMOR regardless of if the villian "picked" is someone's favorite or not.

Probably. But I haven't heard anything pointing to Venom other then "I think Raimi winked at me when I asked about Venom." All the Venom rumours are based are what people want to hear. If I heard what I wanted to hear I'd be hoping for Mysterio (yeah I'm in the minority).

Sandman fits the following qualifications:
-you can see his face. Raimi wants to avoid badguys in masks so we don't get those Power Rangers like moments that hurt the first Spider-man movie
-unique powers and visual. You don't see too many guys like Sandman in the movies other then T-1000 and the Mummy. Also Sandman used to his potential can be a major threat to Spider-man.
-He can be easily incorporated into the story. I think his lack of agenda could work for him in the next movie and Harry could use him as a thug to go after Peter instead of having just Green Goblin redux.
-Ditko/Lee era villan. Raimi loves these guys.

It could easily be Electro. But I'm leaning towards Sandman because he's just capable bigger on the scale of threat and a little more unique (compare the number of electric guys to number of shape shifting guys we've seen in movies).

As a matter of fact I do, Church has that arrogant bully look about him.

Maybe to play Eddie Brock. I could see that. But I don't see his voice coming out of Venom.

AICN could be wrong. They have been before. But this makes sense to me.

[Grant]

Personally, I think Church would have made a fine Eddie Brock. He's a fine actor, and one that can definately do the character of Venom/Eddie Brock justice. The Sandman has always been a thug. He's a pretty hollow villian. And when compared to Venom, he's lightyears behind. As Venom is a much more complex character than Sandman could ever hope to be.

If this is true, which it probably is, it really is a shame.

I don't know after the major improvements they did to Doc Ock I have faith whatever villan Raimi and co use will get a decent character upgrade (even Venom). I think Sandman has a few interesting character traits like the fact deep down he wasn't such a bad guy and actually become a good guy and even helped Spidey take down the Sinister Six.

[HomerJay]

Sandman is all but confirmed now.
Supposedly Sony has Sandman conceptual art all over the place according to "spies". Sandman would have been my last choice out of all the villains named (Electro, Venom, Kraven), but I have faith in Raimi.

[Steve]

Sandman, Electro, Venom. It doesn't make a difference to me. I like all three. Just hope it isn't Mysterio or Goblin redux.

[The Joker]

I don't know after the major improvements they did to Doc Ock I have faith whatever villan Raimi and co use will get a decent character upgrade (even Venom). I think Sandman has a few interesting character traits like the fact deep down he wasn't such a bad guy and actually become a good guy and even helped Spidey take down the Sinister Six.

To me, this sounds a bit like Doc Ock. You know, like deep down he wasnt really a bad guy. And not a homicidal madman like The Green Goblin was. I think that story was told with Doc Ock. And in a very great way. Because at the end of Spider-Man 2, we are actually cheering for Doc Ock. He refused to be remembered as a complete monster. And he succeeded.
Having The Sandman repeat these motions in some form or another, just isnt really all that exciting to me. Especially after the previous film illustrated the shades of gray characterizations with one of Spider-Man's most classic, and best villians.

[Totoro Man]

I guess I would have picked the Scorpion just to make Jameson more significant as a Spiderman antagonist... since he's integral to the Scorpion's origin. although that wouldn't make too much sense as Spidey saved the fiancee of his son... who jilted John Jameson at the alter... well, I guess it could still work after all.

Sandman, huh? wouldn't have picked him, to be honest. who knows, they did good with Doc Oc... so I'll hold out some hope.

[Grant]

To me, this sounds a bit like Doc Ock. You know, like deep down he wasnt really a bad guy. And not a homicidal madman like The Green Goblin was. I think that story was told with Doc Ock. And in a very great way. Because at the end of Spider-Man 2, we are actually cheering for Doc Ock. He refused to be remembered as a complete monster. And he succeeded.
Having The Sandman repeat these motions in some form or another, just isnt really all that exciting to me. Especially after the previous film illustrated the shades of gray characterizations with one of Spider-Man's most classic, and best villians.

I think they can play up the differences between Sandman and Doc Ock. For one Sandman's power never drove him mad. He's a little more down to earth (oh an accidental pun) and treats crime like a job. He's a thug but I think that's part of his appeal. He's doesn't have any grandiose evil schemes he just wants to get paid. Which would make him a perfect henchman for someone with much darker motivations.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

damn, i was really hoping for kraven and maybe vemin as a subplot. also isn't it about time for the lizard?? lizard would be good for a subplot with kraven as the main villan too.

[The Joker]

I think they can play up the differences between Sandman and Doc Ock. For one Sandman's power never drove him mad. He's a little more down to earth (oh an accidental pun) and treats crime like a job. He's a thug but I think that's part of his appeal. He's doesn't have any grandiose evil schemes he just wants to get paid. Which would make him a perfect henchman for someone with much darker motivations.


You're right. The Sandman is just a thug. And by that, it just sucks that a good actor like Church is being regulated to that type of role. With Sandman, there really isnt any complex character development. Like you said, and I agree. He's just a thug. And he's also a character that is similar to a character we as a audience, have already seen before on the silver screen (The Mummy).

I understand what you're saying though. Sandman is MUCH better used as a thug for some other villian. And that will most likely be his appeal. His simplicity.
But after getting my hopes up on the futile idea of Church as Venom, this news still sucks.

I'm sure Raimi will do a good job at making Sandman worthwhile on the silver screen though.
And also make him visually, something really special. :)

[Grant]

You're right. The Sandman is just a thug. And by that, it just sucks that a good actor like Church is being regulated to that type of role. With Sandman, there really isnt any complex character development. Like you said, and I agree. He's just a thug. And he's also a character that is similar to a character we as a audience, have already seen before on the silver screen (The Mummy).

I understand what you're saying though. Sandman is MUCH better used as a thug for some other villian. And that will most likely be his appeal. His simplicity.
But after getting my hopes up on the futile idea of Church as Venom, this news still sucks.

I'm sure Raimi will do a good job at making Sandman worthwhile on the silver screen though.
And also make him visually, something really special. :)

Thugs can be entertaining though and use good actors. Certainely worked for James Bond movies and Sergio Leone westerns. After all he's sparring with Spider-man so he has to hold your interest outside of sfx so I'm glad they got a talented comic actor vs. some schmoe. Keep in mind they could do something with the character to give him more depth then he does in the comic like they did with Goblin and Ock.

I don't think he'll look exactly like the Mummy. Maybe the Mummy meets T2 with Thomas Hayden Church's comic timing. Which kind of interests me.

I know I'm hard on Venom but I know they will get to him eventually. Sony wants to make as many of these movies as possible. Wouldn't you rather have Venom in a movie directed by a guy who wants to use him though. After all Spider-man comics did pretty well for over twenty years without him. I suspect the first guy who takes over from Raimi will be using Venom.

[The Joker]

I don't think he'll look exactly like the Mummy. Maybe the Mummy meets T2 with Thomas Hayden Church's comic timing. Which kind of interests me.

I know I'm hard on Venom but I know they will get to him eventually. Sony wants to make as many of these movies as possible. Wouldn't you rather have Venom in a movie directed by a guy who wants to use him though. After all Spider-man comics did pretty well for over twenty years without him. I suspect the first guy who takes over from Raimi will be using Venom.

I didnt mean that I thought Church's Sandman is going to look like The Mummy. Just his powers. I cant picture anything much different than what we've seen in "The Mummy", and "The Mummy Returns". I'm sure Sandy's displays of power will be different. Just not dramitically.

Yes I would rather a guy who likes Venom taking over the series sometime in the future and inserting Venom into the storyline.
But I have to admit that Raimi is indeed the master.
And I really dread the day that he leaves the franchise. Because in my heart of hearts, I feel that will be the Spider-Man franchise's swan song.
Much like how Cameron left the Terminator franchise, and then it pretty much went to hell after that. T3 was ok, but really pales in comparison to the Cameron-helmed Terminator films. Basically, we dont need another Paul Anderson screwing up a great franchise.

My point is that one day, if Raimi does indeed decide to use Venom, I believe he will make many a fanboys dream finally come true.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

damn, i was really hoping for kraven and maybe vemin as a subplot. also isn't it about time for the lizard?? lizard would be good for a subplot with kraven as the main villan too.


i meant vermin as a subplot

[Grant]

Yes I would rather a guy who likes Venom taking over the series sometime in the future and inserting Venom into the storyline.
But I have to admit that Raimi is indeed the master.
And I really dread the day that he leaves the franchise. Because in my heart of hearts, I feel that will be the Spider-Man franchise's swan song.
Much like how Cameron left the Terminator franchise, and then it pretty much went to hell after that. T3 was ok, but really pales in comparison to the Cameron-helmed Terminator films. Basically, we dont need another Paul Anderson screwing up a great franchise.

Paul Anderson strikes me as the kind of guy who would use Venom. So yeah I can understand the worry Raimi won't do Venom. Easy for me not to care because they already used Doc Ock (my favorite villan) in the last movie. Once Raimi goes it's going to be difficult to keep up especially since a lot of the actors will go including Tobey Maguire. I'm Sony (if this next movie is successful) can squeeze one more movie out with this team. I kind of want someone like Alfonso Cuaron or Robert Rodriguez to take over.

[The Joker]

Paul Anderson strikes me as the kind of guy who would use Venom. So yeah I can understand the worry Raimi won't do Venom. Easy for me not to care because they already used Doc Ock (my favorite villan) in the last movie. Once Raimi goes it's going to be difficult to keep up especially since a lot of the actors will go including Tobey Maguire. I'm Sony (if this next movie is successful) can squeeze one more movie out with this team. I kind of want someone like Alfonso Cuaron or Robert Rodriguez to take over.

I agree. Doc Ock is my favorite Spidey villian as well.
Venom is my 2nd favorite. Although it's a distant second from good 'ol Ock.

Rodriguez would be a nice save indeed. :)

[Phil Clark]

I suspect the first guy who takes over from Raimi will be using Venom.

When did Joel Schumaker put his name in to direct Spidey? ;) :rolleyes: ;)

[Grant]

I agree. Doc Ock is my favorite Spidey villian as well.
Venom is my 2nd favorite. Although it's a distant second from good 'ol Ock.

Rodriguez would be a nice save indeed. :)

Heck even if he brought Mickey Rourke along to play Venom I'd be interested.

[cable guy]

I am kind of bummed out it isn't Venom.

It will be a good movie I'm sure, but I just don't know about the decision to use a henchman like Sandman.

[Phil Clark]

Maybe Raimi isn't caught up in the "Hollywood Ideal" of every movie in a series has to be "bigger" than the last one. Maybe Raimi is more concerned with telling a hell of a good story, and if that means there is a less "dynamic" villain in the film, so be it.

Why can't we just have a film where Spidey goes up against common thugs, theives and muggers? Why does it have to be a super-villain in the film at all?

Since the studio will keep making Spider-Man films for as long as the crowds will go see them, we have plenty of time to get the "over the top" villains.

[red corellian]

:confused: I thought for sure Green Goblin was slated for 3? With Harry at the end of spidey 2 and all...

Course, I'd rather it be Electro :rolleyes:

[Gaz]

:confused: I thought for sure Green Goblin was slated for 3? With Harry at the end of spidey 2 and all...

Course, I'd rather it be Electro :rolleyes:
Ah, but Raimi's a sneaky one! ;)

[Grant]

Why can't we just have a film where Spidey goes up against common thugs, theives and muggers? Why does it have to be a super-villain in the film at all? .

What fun is that? They tried to do that with the third Superman movie with Superman fighting a computer hacker and himself.

Crazy super-villans is part of Spider-man's appeal.

[Phil Clark]

What fun is that? They tried to do that with the third Superman movie with Superman fighting a computer hacker and himself.

Crazy super-villans is part of Spider-man's appeal.

Crazy super-villains are a part of Spidey's appeal, but only a part. He can be just as appealing smarting off to common criminals as he hangs them in his web and attaches a note "Compliments of your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man".

And just because Superman III tried something and failed, doesn't mean that Raimi couldn't pull it off.

[Grant]

Crazy super-villains are a part of Spidey's appeal, but only a part. He can be just as appealing smarting off to common criminals as he hangs them in his web and attaches a note "Compliments of your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man".

And just because Superman III tried something and failed, doesn't mean that Raimi couldn't pull it off.

I don't think any director could pull it off. You are talking about lowering the stakes. Do you think after seeing all the sh** Spidey had to put up with Green Goblin and Doc Ock the audience is going to worry about him fighting Daryl the convience store robber? Where's the drama in that?

I like scenes where Spidey is out fighting common criminals but I couldn't watch a whole movie of that. I imagine a lot of people wouldn't.

[cable guy]

I like seeing Spidey tangle with common criminals. For one or two scenes.

But no way for the whole movie. The better the villian, the better the hero looks.

[The Joker]

I like seeing Spidey tangle with common criminals. For one or two scenes.

But no way for the whole movie. The better the villian, the better the hero looks.

Yup. The hero is as only as good as his villian.

Needless to say, I like Spider-man 2 more than Spider-Man. :D

[Nate Grey]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=2808

http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=12416

[hugh45]

"I'd love to be in Spider-Man 3!" Sevigny says. "There's a villain in it who's a blond, buxom girl, and I'm trying to get it!"

Who's this villain?It can't be Black Cat. :confused:

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Do you think after seeing all the sh** Spidey had to put up with Green Goblin and Doc Ock the audience is going to worry about him fighting Daryl the convience store robber? Where's the drama in that?

LMAO!!!! thats funny as hell grant..................or how about a criminal called dope fiend willie who like robbing liquior stores :p

[Phil Clark]

I do think that the audience is sophisticated enough that it would accept scenes of Spider-man fighting the occasional bank robbers or street thugs or muggers instead of a super villain.

Would it support an entire movie? That would depend on the story. Drama is what comes between the action bits, not just the action. If the story is good enough, you don't need to have a more powerful villain, just someone who presents a new challenge to Peter. IMO.

[Steve]

From Latino Review.

A while back Ain't-It-Cool-News broke the story that Thomas Hayden Church will indeed be playing SANDMAN and that here's a ton of Sandman conceptual art all over the Spidey-offices.

Well today 'Anonymous' tells us the following: "Yes the Sandman will be in Spider-Man 3 but he's not the only villain. And no it isn't Black Cat like some people were suggesting. It will be SANDMAN AND HOBGOBLIN"

In Spider-Man 2, director Sam Raimi wanted two villains but chose not to, maybe he will in Spider-Man 3. The question is will HOBGOBLIN be Ultimate Hobgoblin? As you may or may not know the ultimate incarnation of the Hobgoblin is Harry Osborn (Played by James Franco), son of Norman Osborn. Harry accuses Peter for stealing his girlfriend Mary Jane Watson and killing his father. And it was left wide open at the end of Spider-Man 2 once Harry discovered his father's lair. Sam Raimi had also spoke about the possibility of Harry coming back. But like any rumor take this with a grain of salt.

[Grant]

What the hell? (http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=3034)

Now Topher Grace is a talented actor and he'd make a great replacement Spider-man/Peter Parker if Toby Maguire decided to leave. So I wonder who Raimi has him playing.

Maybe he's playing the second bad guy? Electro? Hobgoblin? Venom? Scorpion?

I can't think of any supporting characters that fit him. Ned Leeds maybe?

[Valmore]

Maybe it's a new role outside of the comics?

Maybe they're developing him to be the Spider Clone!

Electro might work, if they padded the suit a bit.

[Shellhead]

Maybe Topher will be playing Aunt May.

[Arrjay]

Maybe they're developing him to be the Spider Clone!

That's the first thought I had when I read this thread title.

[Grant]

Maybe it's a new role outside of the comics?

It could be... or an old character being revamped.

[Spastic Minnow]

Just speculation, but don't you think the resemblance is a little close? I'm figuring either another father/son pairing or... Isn't there a Spiderman story about The Vulture trying find a way to make himself younger? Was that just in one of the cartoons?


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[stealthwise]

Just speculation, but don't you think the resemblance is a little close? I'm figuring either another father/son pairing or... Isn't there a Spiderman story about The Vulture trying find a way to make himself younger? Was that just in one of the cartoons?

The Vulture youth story was in one of the early 90s Spider-Man titles (IIRC, it was Amazing), where he stole Peter's youth for an issue or two. It wasn't very memorable, but could be worked into the movie, though I doubt it because Church seems too young to play the Vulture.

[riotgear]

Church has said he's playing Mac Gargan, so that would mean "Scorpion". As for Grace, who knows yet?

[Siddon]

Topher looks like he'll play Eddie Brock

[kmeyers]

Cletus Cassady...Carnage.

[Steve]

The Vulture youth story was in one of the early 90s Spider-Man titles (IIRC, it was Amazing), where he stole Peter's youth for an issue or two.
Three issues actually. It was called Lifetheft.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/77906321824.387.GIF

[Guts/Batman]

Cletus Cassady...Carnage.


You realize that you have to explain Venom before you explain Carnage and they haven't even made Brock a character yet. lol

[kmeyers]

You realize that you have to explain Venom before you explain Carnage and they haven't even made Brock a character yet. lol
and you realize that not everything follows continuity? like the Ultimate universe.

and Brock has been mentioned in the Spidey movies....

[StarsAndGarters]

You realize that you have to explain Venom before you explain Carnage and they haven't even made Brock a character yet. lolSure they have. There's an "Eddie" that works at the Bugle that's referenced in one of the movies.

[Guts/Batman]

and you realize that not everything follows continuity? like the Ultimate universe.

and Brock has been mentioned in the Spidey movies....


Thats true. Maybe I just don't like the idea of Carnage coming before Venom. Read too many comics, poisoned my brain of how things work.

[Guts/Batman]

Sure they have. There's an "Eddie" that works at the Bugle that's referenced in one of the movies.


I guess i overlooked that.

[StarsAndGarters]

Thats true. Maybe I just don't like the idea of Carnage coming before Venom. Read too many comics, poisoned my brain of how things work.I'm with you on that. Just counter intuitive. Where would Carnage come from anyway?

I guess i overlooked that.It is a pretty minor reference. I missed it the first few times.

[Grant]

You realize that you have to explain Venom before you explain Carnage and they haven't even made Brock a character yet. lol

Or they could combine elements of both characters. Which isn't a bad idea.

I think he's playing Electro. It seems like a good fit with Hayden Church as Sandman.

[stevelabny]

the rumor was Church was playing Sandman.
so how about Grace as Hydro-man

a previous poster said Chruch claims to be playing Mac Gargan, which I haven't heard. I have no idea which villain would be best paired with Scorpion, maybe Electro?

Or we're just getting the wool pulled over our eyes and this is Venom and Carnage.

[hugh45]

the rumor was Church was playing Sandman.
so how about Grace as Hydro-man

a previous poster said Chruch claims to be playing Mac Gargan, which I haven't heard. I have no idea which villain would be best paired with Scorpion, maybe Electro?

Or we're just getting the wool pulled over our eyes and this is Venom and Carnage.

Would it cool if we don't who is playing whom to the day of showing the
movie?Now that would be :cool:

[StarsAndGarters]

Would it cool if we don't who is playing whom to the day of showing the
movie?Now that would be :cool:Haha, blow smoke in the eyes of the fanboys, I love it!

Even if I am one. :)

[the_coldest_sun]

Haha, blow smoke in the eyes of the fanboys, I love it!

Even if I am one. :)
I agree. I would love not knowing who the villain(s) would be in SM-3 until right up to opening day.

[Grant]

I agree. I would love not knowing who the villain(s) would be in SM-3 until right up to opening day.

Kind of be hard to cut the trailer. "See Spider-man fight his newest foes... sorry we can't show who they are but here's some head shots of the guys playing them."

[StarsAndGarters]

Kind of be hard to cut the trailer. "See Spider-man fight his newest foes... sorry we can't show who they are but here's some head shots of the guys playing them."True. It's a little easier to do that with a movie like Signs. Spider-Man people expect to know who the villains are.

[TheDarkestHorse]

I just wanted to point out that I think there's more to the young vulture concept than one 3 issue arc. I have a Spider-Man unlimited where he's a 'life-force vampire' and fights the spider clone.

[the_coldest_sun]

True. It's a little easier to do that with a movie like Signs. Spider-Man people expect to know who the villains are.
Actually, the trailers I've seen to Batman Begins don't really show the villains unless you already know that Ken Watannabe(sp?) is Ra's Al Ghul and Cillian Murphy is the Scarecrow. Well, some of the newer ones show the Scarecrow, so I guess there's no way around it. PLUS, BB is an origin movie so it was easier to cut the trailer focusing mostly on Bruce Wayne. Spider-Man has had its origin movie. Wow, I found more facts in favor AGAINST me that FOR me. Eh.

Well, it'd be cool to not know who the villains are until the damn thing is already finished being shot. But I read too many internet rumors. :rolleyes:

[Dennis K]

Nothing against Topher, but I really don't like the idea of two villains. Joel Schumacher anyone?

[Grant]

Nothing against Topher, but I really don't like the idea of two villains. Joel Schumacher anyone?

Depends who they are using. If it's two guys like Electro or Sandman I say it could work because those two guys probably wouldn't be able to carry their own movie like Doc Ock and Green Goblin. If it was Venom and somebody else probably not. It depends on the story.

Lots of movies made two villans work. James Bond movies usually have two villans, The Good, The Bad & The Ugly had two villans, the X-Men movies had more then one bad guy, Superman II had Lex Luthor and Zod..

[GremlinClr]

We all knew that Thomas Hayden Church would play the villian in S3 but we didn't know WHAT villain...until know.


They've been trying to keep it under wraps, but seems Development-Hell.com has managed to tug the tape off a "Spider-Man 3" secret : Who the villains are?

According to the site, Thomas Haden Church isn't playing Sandman, nor is he Venom, as previously rumoured. He'll actually be 'The Chameleon'.

Interesting I suppose. Should be good. :)

Linky (http://www.moviehole.net/news/5991.html)

[Steve]

I'm curious as to who Topher Grace will play. Electro?

That's a shame cause I really wanted Church to be either the Sandman/Electro.

Not really a big Chameleon fan.

Kraven the Hunter eh? Too bad Kevin Smith (Ares of Hercules/Xena) ain't with us anymore. God bless his soul.

[Artemis1]

1. This has already been done before.
2. I'm not believing anything until either Raimi, Sony, or Arad confirms it.

[Patient Boy]

The "Topher Grace is the Spider-Clone" idea was intriguing.

[Robotech Master]

I for one hope this is not true. Chameleon would be a boring villain for a film.

Kraven the Hunter would be interesting, though if you're going to use up not one, but two movies with Chameleon and Kraven as the villains--well, I just think there are better villains out there.

[Steve]

The "Topher Grace is the Spider-Clone" idea was intriguing.
Oh, no, it's Ben Reilly, AAAAHHHH!

http://images.comicbookresources.com/loosecannon/clones.jpg

[Nate Grey]

1. This has already been done before.
2. I'm not believing anything until either Raimi, Sony, or Arad confirms it.

Beat me to it. First Sandman, then Scorpion, now Chameleon. Church will be rumored to be The Beyonder by the time Sony et al finally get around to revealing who he'll REALLY be playing.

[Magneto_X]

1. This has already been done before.


What has been done before?

[Magneto_X]

Oh, no, it's Ben Reilly, AAAAHHHH!

http://images.comicbookresources.com/loosecannon/clones.jpg

C'mon---it'd be cool. The only reason the Clone Saga didn't work in the comics is because they executed most of it badly and kept changing things at the last minute (switching which one was the original).

I'd love to see a live-action version of the Jackal.

[SlightlyMad]

Latest update: Church & Grace are....

The Grizzly & The Gibbon! :D ;)

[Zeta]

C'mon---it's be cool. The only reason the Clone Saga didn't work in the comics is because they executed most of it badly and kept changing things at the last minute (switching which one was the original).

True that. Well, along with the fact that it was dragged on waaay too long. In fact, if they were going to bring back the Green Goblin, I'd rather see it in the form of a condensed Clone Saga rather than just Harry going nuts and hiriing some weaker supervillain underlings to kill Spiderman

[Magneto_X]

True that. Well, along with the fact that it was dragged on waaay too long. In fact, if they were going to bring back the Green Goblin, I'd rather see it in the form of a condensed Clone Saga rather than just Harry going nuts and hiriing some weaker supervillain underlings to kill Spiderman

Plus how cool would it be to see two Spidermen beating the crap out of each other in a movie? We might get Kaine, as well. :)

[Jared]

Beat me to it. First Sandman, then Scorpion, now Chameleon. Church will be rumored to be The Beyonder by the time Sony et al finally get around to revealing who he'll REALLY be playing.

There was a Vulture rumor too.

[Lone Ranger]

I have always been a big fan of the Chameleon as a villain - the possibilities are endless.

Amazing Spider-man #80 is a great example of what can be done with the Chameleon. Spider-Man needs to use his brain, and not just his powers to defeat someone who is as deceptive as the Chameleon.

I wonder how big a role Church will have if he is constantly disguised as other people.

I just can't wait for Spider-Man #17 - with Steve Irwin as the Kangaroo!

[Steve]

C'mon---it'd be cool. The only reason the Clone Saga didn't work in the comics is because they executed most of it badly and kept changing things at the last minute (switching which one was the original).

I'd love to see a live-action version of the Jackal.
Sorry, I disagree. There's nothing cool about the Clone Saga in my eyes. I hated it.

Plus how cool would it be to see two Spidermen beating the crap out of each other in a movie? We might get Kaine, as well.

Nope. Rather see Venom duke it out with Spidey.

[Magneto_X]

There was a Vulture rumor too.

Rhino, as well. Hopefully they show up as cameos (ala James Bond) as villains Spidey fights early on before the big bad/s show up.

[SnowTrooper]

I wanna see rhino but I wanna see Scorpion more.Scorpion is just cool.

[Adaptoid]

This portends very badly for the script -- if there even is one. If they are considering the Chameleon, it's probably a lame evil-twin episode. Probably a rip of the Mysterio impersonates Spider-Man and ruins his reputation story.

Please Spider-Producers -- get the script right first. If the story is good any of the rogues gallery of Spider-Man villians will be good. Develop a good script please.

As with Fantastic Four, no script is being floated for this which means what they have is lame or non-existant.

[Grant]

This portends very badly for the script -- if there even is one. If they are considering the Chameleon, it's probably a lame evil-twin episode. Probably a rip of the Mysterio impersonates Spider-Man and ruins his reputation story.

Please Spider-Producers -- get the script right first. If the story is good any of the rogues gallery of Spider-Man villians will be good. Develop a good script please.

As with Fantastic Four, no script is being floated for this which means what they have is lame or non-existant.

Aren't you jumping the gun a bit. None of this has been confirmed. They don't want to come out and say who's in the movie since the movie is two years away. No script isn't floating around is probably because it's a major production. As far I know they had the basic story was worked out a few months ago shooting doesn't start until early next year.

[Devon C.]

The Chameleon is not even a prominent villain in the Spider-Man mythos anymore. Venom would not be good, as he is an evil twin, and evil twin storylines do not fare well in Hollywood.

[Magneto_X]

I wanna see rhino but I wanna see Scorpion more.Scorpion is just cool.

Spidey has enough good rogues for *several* more movies.

[Magneto_X]

Aren't you jumping the gun a bit. None of this has been confirmed. They don't want to come out and say who's in the movie since the movie is two years away. No script isn't floating around is probably because it's a major production. As far I know they had the basic story was worked out a few months ago shooting doesn't start until early next year.

You are forgetting that major films occasionally start shooting even without a definite script. IIRC the first Spiderman did this.

[Grant]

You are forgetting that major films occasionally start shooting even without a definite script. IIRC the first Spiderman did this.

They were still using the script David Koepp wrote (and other I think rewrote) on Spider-man. Rewrites do take place during shooting and this happened for both Spider-man movies and probably will happen on the third. And I know they did some shooting for Special Effects shooting before the script was finished in both movies. The Train scene in Spider-man 2 was shot before the movie was finished.

A definate script is rare thing.

[hugh45]

Yay!Keep throwing out those red-herrings to confuse the masses.I love it!
:D

[Magneto_X]

They were still using the script David Koepp wrote (and other I think rewrote) on Spider-man. Rewrites do take place during shooting and this happened for both Spider-man movies and probably will happen on the third. And I know they did some shooting for Special Effects shooting before the script was finished in both movies. The Train scene in Spider-man 2 was shot before the movie was finished.

A definate script is rare thing.

Very well, I concede. :)

[Grant]

Very well, I concede. :)

Damn straight you will.

[GremlinClr]

The Chameleon is not even a prominent villain in the Spider-Man mythos anymore. Venom would not be good, as he is an evil twin, and evil twin storylines do not fare well in Hollywood.

That doesn't really matter. In FF we get Dr. Doom, who is arguably one of the coolest villains around and should be amazing onscreen…instead we're saddled with an Electro ripoff. Wheee.

With the right script movies can transend lame characters and make them cool…or just the opposite as mentioned above. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Artemis1]

What has been done before?

This thread. It has been done three times. The other two are in the Spiderman forum.

[Artemis1]

You are forgetting that major films occasionally start shooting even without a definite script. IIRC the first Spiderman did this.

So did "Jurassic Park III".

[SnowTrooper]

If you dont want to read this then dont.








Spoiler:I was on Movies.com a while ago and I learned Topher Grace's role in Spider-man 3.He will play the Cameleon.Thomas Haden Church will also play the Cameleon but Topher will play the young version of that tries to date Mary Jane.

[Dennis K]

More like "RUMOR" than "SPOILER", no?

[hulahulk]

More like "RUMOR" than "SPOILER", no?

Aye, a bit of a stretch, yet believable. However, I will side with AB and consider this just a rumor.

[Grant]

After Green Goblin and Doc Ock I think Chameleon would be kind of a let down. I'm calling Bullshit on this one. I still think it's Sandman.

[Headhunter]

Would be surprised if it were only the Chamaleon, he's not an interesting character for the film world unless he's done really dark.

[metalhead_dave743]

I heard there was going to be 4 Villans, Venom, Sandman, Electro, and Hobgoblin.

[Donald M.]

I heard there was going to be 4 Villans, Venom, Sandman, Electro, and Hobgoblin.

Okay, now you're just getting silly . . .

[Super Sonic]

I heard there was going to be 4 Villans, Venom, Sandman, Electro, and Hobgoblin.
Will it also be 8 hours long,that's way too much.

I'm glad Topher is in it,cos I ove that 70's show(what?),but I don't think i'd be able to take him too seriously as a villian,unless it's a very sarcastic villian xD

[Dennis K]

I still think Mysterio or Electro is the way to go.

[Chou Blaster]

Hasn't this been done before?

The Chamelon? Better be a joke.

Otherwise they have to amp up his threat level. Because Mary Jane defated Chamelon, with a base ball bat, and all by herself.

Sand Man most likely path. As Rami wants villains who do not use a mask. (Though Electro would be cooler. If can alter orign. But yeah they can do it.)

[SnowTrooper]

Go to Movies.Com and check it out

[metalhead_dave743]

Okay, now you're just getting silly . . .

[QUOTE=Super Sonic]Will it also be 8 hours long,that's way too much.


No, I'm serious. It's on Superhero Hype. Here is the link Spidey 3 villan rumours. (http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=3245) And I was wrong about Electro, I meant Vulture. The other three were correct.

I think that two of them, Sandman and Vulture, will be minor villans that Spidey will take on in one fight during a bank robbery and beat em instantly. I think it's a good idea if it's true. Sam could finally show the funny and sarcastic side of Spidey for a change.

[Stretch Dude]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=3510

Visually speaking: Ohhh yeah.

[StoneGold]

Honestly, I'll believe it when Sam Raimi reveals them. But I wouldn't be surprised.

[Chevan]

Wait, I thought Raimi hated Venom?

Personally, I'd love to have Venom in S3, but this sounds almost too good to be true.

[Dennis K]

"It's the other way around. You're right," she conceded to a journalist.

Smells like bullshit to me. The phantom journalist knew who was cast in what role? Right.

[Grant]

"It's the other way around. You're right," she conceded to a journalist.

Smells like bullshit to me. The phantom journalist knew who was cast in what role? Right.

Maybe he's a nerd. Or does his Spider-man research.

[hulahulk]

I would like Church as Venom and Grace as Sandman. I would detest the opposite.

[Error_2.0]

Yeah, Grace as Venom doesn't make much sense. It would have to be Church.

[Zeta]

Yeah, Grace as Venom doesn't make much sense. It would have to be Church.

I dunno. Grace as Eddie Brock makes for a pretty keen irony, and he doesn't look unlike Ultimate Eddie Bock.

[Grant]

Personally I was hoping for Mickey Rourke to play Venom.

[Inkthinker]

If Venom is akin to Spider-Man in form and abilities, then it makes sense for Brock to be similar to Parker. I'm sure when he goes all CG then he'll be bulky and tendrilly.

[Magneto_X]

Yeah, Grace as Venom doesn't make much sense. It would have to be Church.

It does. Church is older and larger than Grace, if they are adapting 616 Eddie Brock.

[Neil]

It does. Church is older and larger than Grace, if they are adapting 616 Eddie Brock.
Of course adapting could be the key the word there.

[VCreed32]

She confirmed the actors, the roles that they might be playing, and that she's an airhead.

[Magneto_X]

Unfortuntely she is an airhead. *sigh* It's such a waste, really. :(

[Biggbuttmcgruff!!!!]

You know,this may sound weird,but what if they could have Brock Lesnar as a sort of body double for whoever plays venom? The guy has the perfect build for it.

[Grazzt]

You know,this may sound weird,but what if they could have Brock Lesnar as a sort of body double for whoever plays venom? The guy has the perfect build for it.

Considering how much CGI they use, I don't think they'd need to hire a celebrity for a body double, even such a dubious one as Brock.