How does SPB get out for the Next Crisis?

[Captain Smith]

I got it.

The Egg of Krona hatches and releases a really annoyed Krona. (What happened to the egg anyway?)

Krona is an Oa-an and not a friend of the GLs. Thus, he heads for Oa - sees the prison, kicks the crap of the 50 GLs and releases SPB. Krona is always interested in the origins of the universe and SPB wants his universe back. Thus, they travel to the origin of the universe to see the creation handjob that started the multiverse.

This event pisses off the Deity and a new multiverse starts. Then the Avengers - wait - there aren't any Avengers anymore. There are new Avengers and kid avengers. Oh, well.

[Cayman]

He teams up with the Yellow Fear Monster.

Cay

[JeffreyWKramer]

I figure him and Wanda becoming a team.

[NotSuper]

I kind of like the Krona idea. That could actually be a cool story.

In any case, if DC is serious about making Superboy-Prime a bigger threat than the Anti-Monitor he needs to actually succeed in his plans.

[LordEd1976]

Superboy-Prime tricks a novice GL (or G'Nort) into letting him out by saying there's no bathroom in the prison and he really has to go.

or

Someone sneaks SBP a new set of armor inside a cake.

[NotSuper]

Maybe he could just remember that red sun radiation doesn't really affect him and then break out. ;)

[Mike Smith]

He's a flippin' precrisis Kryptonian.

He'll just use his "break out of GL Red Sun eater containment field"-vision and wreck havoc on the universe, again.

Or he could just punch himself until he's at a point where he suffers no weakness whatsoever.

[davids]

Or ma-gog or who the hell kills the joker and starts The whole kingdom come series.

[stealthwise]

I kind of like the Krona idea. That could actually be a cool story.

In any case, if DC is serious about making Superboy-Prime a bigger threat than the Anti-Monitor he needs to actually succeed in his plans.

Um, I think I've asked this about fifty thousand times, but I can never remember the answer. In "Ganthet's Tale" by Niven and Byrne, they showed that Krona wasn't the master villain that he was made out to be, and his only crime was curiosity, but the Guardians were the ones to blame for his mistake. Has that been retconned away?

[NotSuper]

Um, I think I've asked this about fifty thousand times, but I can never remember the answer. In "Ganthet's Tale" by Niven and Byrne, they showed that Krona wasn't the master villain that he was made out to be, and his only crime was curiosity, but the Guardians were the ones to blame for his mistake. Has that been retconned away?
Who knows now? A lot of things in continuity have been changed.

[foxfire]

the creation handjob that started the multiverse.

:p

Seriously, was the hand at the start of time ever explained? Wasn't it supposed to be Imperiex Prime or something?

[stealthwise]

Who knows now? A lot of things in continuity have been changed.

Well, I was curious mostly about where the story stood prior to IC, because yeah, all continuity is up for grabs since the "retcon punch" and New Earth bs. However, while those help to clear up any screwups, they don't really make for very exciting stories in terms of trying to understand the story without a firm grounding in what exactly the context/status quo currently is.

[Buried Alien]

I figure that Captain Smith is probably kidding in the last part of his post, but seriously: Superboy Prime could be one of the main villains if DC and Marvel ever decide to do a second JLA/AVENGERS crossover. He's one of the few villains in either universe to be big enough of a threat (with some help of a Marvel villain of similar magnitude) to warrant the joint effort of the JLA and the Avengers.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[marshal99]

SBP is going to be in limbo hell until some superman writer decides to use him to become superman's personal punching bag and then he'll be enlisted as a elite member of the exclusive club of superman jobbers with such distinguish card carrying members of the club like Darkseid , Zod , Doomsday etc who all had to job to mighty superman.

[DWEarhart]

SBP is going to be in limbo hell until some superman writer decides to use him to become superman's personal punching bag and then he'll be enlisted as a elite member of the exclusive club of superman jobbers with such distinguish members like Darkseid , Zod , Doomsday etc.


Exactly.

Wish I could add to it, but this sums it up.

[spideyrules99]

I hope I see him again. I felt bad for Superboy He was justy a kid who wanted to go home. He had his own world and was a hero and it was all ripped away from him. Than he saw Superboy here and went nuts. I mean I do feel bad for him. I think if he is done right he could really be a lot of fun for future story arcs.

[Alex L]

Maybe he could just remember that red sun radiation doesn't really affect him and then break out. ;)

He's still powered by yellow-sun radiation, right?

So it would be that the red sun doesn't drain him, but it doesn't really power him either.


...How are they going to feed him, anyway?

[titanfan]

My SP Prime Predictions for the next 20 years:

Superboy Prime breaks out/is rescued and actually becomes a Titans Villain. The first 6 part story arc of his return is very good.

A few years later he returns to battle the Titans again and is defeated in 4 issues.

Later on, he becomes an enemy of the Green Lantern Corps and Superman and is defeated in a two issue story arc.

Used as cannon fodder to show how cool some new DC hero is and loses in one issue.

Joins some Supervillain team to battle Superman and is defeated in 1 or 2 issues.

Someone realizes that Superboy Prime is suddenly a wuss and creates some new deus ex machine to give him stronger powers and make him more dangerous than ever! A recton is added to reveal that he raped Wonder Girl.

[Captain Smith]

You are right about jobbing. After seeing Doomsday in SuperUnderRoos, I never could take him seriously again.

He should have been a one shot villian used to kill Supes and then be gone.

Superboy-prime, if he gets out, should be a serious small arc and then permanently eliminated.

Seeing Zod, Doomsday, Mongol - how boring, what a threat, Supes will win. Yawn.

How about WW goes to visit OA, sneaks into the cage and twists SBP's head around a couple of times? Then she invites Supes off for a 1000 years of sex.

That would be more interesting than the next appearance of the three overused jobbers.

[XPac]

I honestly wonder if SBP's best days are behind him now though.

I tend to see that sort of pattern with DCU villians.

Doomsday was uber when he first debuted, and perhaps even moreso in his next 2 or so appearances... after that he's pretty much cannon fodder.

Neuron was uber his first appearance, after that nothing.

Even Zoom is now so much less of a Beast than he was when he first showed up.

I do wonder if SBP won't simply be a formitable Superman threat after this. Then after Supes somehow beats him, he merely becomes yet another job for Superman.

[aeastwic]

:p

Seriously, was the hand at the start of time ever explained? Wasn't it supposed to be Imperiex Prime or something?

Turns out it was the Anti-Monitor's hand, he stuck it through the spiral and then a couple of panels later, the Spectre grabbed it from the other side. From COIE #10

[sonofsound]

it'd be rad if they kept him contained until the 30th century - that way he could be "re-united" with the Legion of Superheroes in different, cooler way.

[Syphre Zero]

SBP will hang around in his prison for a while, giving himself the occasional scar tissue tattoo with his finger. Eventually he'll grow bored with this and use his Super Retcon Punch (TM) to completely undo Infinite Crisis (meaning he was never imprisoned in the first place). Then he'll start over and DC can sell us the same story all over again. :)

[Kara Zor El]

I hope I see him again. I felt bad for Superboy He was justy a kid who wanted to go home. He had his own world and was a hero and it was all ripped away from him. Than he saw Superboy here and went nuts. I mean I do feel bad for him. I think if he is done right he could really be a lot of fun for future story arcs.

I'm with you on that one. Someone needs to sit down with that boy and just listen to him and then give him the love he needs. But they are all too busy throwing the book at him. Power Girl should put his head between her breasts and smother him with affection. He'll pop up for air after a few minutes and look into her eyes and say, will you be my Momma now and she'll say yes, and then the tears will flow and she'll say, "That's all right you let it all out." And out it'll all come, and then after a good cry and another couple of dips into that marvelous bossom of hers, he'll be right as rain and sorry as sorry gets and he'll be let out to fix a few fences at some orphaneges and maybe pick up a bit of litter here and there, before stitching his S back on his cape and kicking seven bells of shite out of Mongul or somebody.

If this doesn't happen and he escapes the first thing he aught to do is what he was about to do before capture and that's reboot the Universe. So he'll have to change before he's released. There's no point in having him go look for revenge or anything because he has already come up with the ultimate solution to his problems.

[Lorendiac]

I honestly wonder if SBP's best days are behind him now though.

I tend to see that sort of pattern with DCU villians.

Doomsday was uber when he first debuted, and perhaps even moreso in his next 2 or so appearances... after that he's pretty much cannon fodder.

Neuron was uber his first appearance, after that nothing.

Even Zoom is now so much less of a Beast than he was when he first showed up.

I do wonder if SBP won't simply be a formitable Superman threat after this. Then after Supes somehow beats him, he merely becomes yet another job for Superman.

I have said the same thing about Doomsday, and about Bane.

At the end of his first story arc, Doomsday went toe-to-toe with Superman and killed him (while dying himself at the same time).

Bane, in his first face-to-face encounter with Batman, slapped him around for awhile and then broke his back, leaving him in a wheelchair for the next year (our time).

In each case, the villain did just about the nastiest thing he could do to a major hero, in order to prove how "tough" and "scary" and "relentless' he was.

Which raised the question: "Where do we go from here?" In the cases of Bane and Doomsday, the answer seems to be: "Nowhere in particular. We can't exceed our previous achievements from our early appearances, and it would look too repetitious if we accomplished the exact same things all over again . . . so we'll just wander around the DCU looking scary and reminiscing about how tough and scary and successful we used to be back in the good old days!"

[yeoman]

He doesn't. Right after the last page of IC Guy and Kilowog played whack a whole with SBP's depowered head.

[ChthonicSpirit]

I'm with you on that one. Someone needs to sit down with that boy and just listen to him and then give him the love he needs. But they are all too busy throwing the book at him. Power Girl should put his head between her breasts and smother him with affection. He'll pop up for air after a few minutes and look into her eyes and say, will you be my Momma now and she'll say yes, and then the tears will flow and she'll say, "That's all right you let it all out." And out it'll all come, and then after a good cry and another couple of dips into that marvelous bossom of hers, he'll be right as rain.

Tell me more. Does she spank him for being a bad little superboy?

[Kara Zor El]

Tell me more. Does she spank him for being a bad little superboy?

Why his little bottom is redder than a Red Sun after she's finished with him!

And then Powergirl says - "If you ask nicely and promise not to knock any more heads off or threaton to reboot the Universe, I'll kiss it better."

[ShaggyB]

:p

Seriously, was the hand at the start of time ever explained? Wasn't it supposed to be Imperiex Prime or something?

Turns out it was the Anti-Monitor's hand, he stuck it through the spiral and then a couple of panels later, the Spectre grabbed it from the other side. From COIE #10

really? I thought the big bang was caused by spectre giving even more power to that dude in Zero Hour. didnt this create the multiverse that was then undone by COIE?

and side note question. how come none of the heros know about COIE after waveryder tells them about it in Zero Hour. wouldnt you remember something like that.

[NotSuper]

He's still powered by yellow-sun radiation, right?

So it would be that the red sun doesn't drain him, but it doesn't really power him either.
I was making a reference to the fact that when Superboy-Prime first appeared he didn't gain his powers from a yellow sun (nor was he weakened by red sun radiation). His continuity was changed for some reason so that now he does get his powers from a yellow sun.

As for the effects of red sun radiation on him, it does seem to depower him. But remember, he still had powers (though weakened) in the paradise universe.

[mohammedali]

Hal becomes Parallax again, and punches SBP out. In fact, they both punch together to free him. Add a Chuck Noris roundhouse, and you've got the multiverse created all over again.

[OverMaster]

Superboy Prime is moved to Arkham Asylum, then escapes each month to star in two DC books a week.

[Lorendiac]

and side note question. how come none of the heros know about COIE after waveryder tells them about it in Zero Hour. wouldnt you remember something like that.

How could they possibly remember a thing like that after Superboy-Prime's Retcon Punch erased that particular conversation?

(DC and/or its fans are going to get a lot of mileage out of this excuse for any inconsistencies that come up from now on! :))

[Lorendiac]

On the original question: I figure it would make the most sense for someone else to come along, attack the GLs from the outside, and break SBP out. I don't see how he can get out of there under his own power.

But then I still don't understand how he got away from the Flashes back around IC #6, either. He said they had him trapped on a world orbiting a red sun, right? What did they do, pick a world with a super-advanced hi-tech civilization which was run by a bunch of idiots who were perfectly willing to let SBP sit down in a workshop and build himself a suit of armor, without even listening to the screaming objections of the Flashes? Or is he so diabolically clever that he could dig up some iron, smelt it, make some basic tools, and then start manufacturing electronic doodads from scratch with the available natural resources? Or what? :rolleyes:

[Buried Alien]

The Speedsters took Superboy Prime into the Speed Force. I have a feeling that Superboy Prime was there for years, and during this time, got to know Bart Allen well. When the grown up Bart confronted Superboy Prime in INFINITE CRISIS # 7, Superboy Prime referred to him as "Bart" - not "Flash" and not "Allen." Superboy Prime would only refer to Bart by his first name if they were well acquainted with each other...friends even. You almost got the sense that Superboy Prime regarded Bart as a former friend.

There is no physical matter in the Speed Force. I'm guessing that after breaking out of the Speed Force, Superboy Prime went elsewhere to build his Anti-Monitor redux armor.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Joker2503]

How could they possibly remember a thing like that after Superboy-Prime's Retcon Punch erased that particular conversation?

(DC and/or its fans are going to get a lot of mileage out of this excuse for any inconsistencies that come up from now on! :))

It'll be great when something totally off the wall happens and the writers/editors get interviewed about it.

Why is Batman black now?
- Retcon Punch

So, Guy Gardner really raped Sue Dibny?
- Retcon Punch

Martian Manhunter is from Oa?
- Retcon Punch