Batwoman, right? *IC 7 spoilers*

[malephoenix]

Correct me if I'm wrong - has a pic of her already been released? Or is this her first appearance? That's her, right? At the end of IC #7, the splash page with all the heroes in the absense of the Big Three. Lower right hand corner.

Is there other artwork already out? Am I just behind the times?

[HalWho]

I seen her in an issue of superman/batman and it was helena. So, yeah a pic has been released. Whether or not it's her I don't know...

[fuaak]

I seen her in an issue of superman/batman and it was helena. So, yeah a pic has been released. Whether or not it's her I don't know...
No no no no no no no. You're doing it wrong!

Somebody posted that splash page elsewhere, so I went and clipped the relevant part to make it non-spoilery:

http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batwom4js.jpg

Ugly. The mask is awful.

[Murrocko]

Red hair ...... they just want us to think Babs, don't they?

[Generic Eric]

Wow, who the hell is that supposed to be under the mask? The suit kind of reminds me of a cross between the original Batgirl costume and leather bondage gear look sported by Cassandra Cain.

[Murrocko]

Wow, who the hell is that supposed to be under the mask? The suit kind of reminds me of a cross between the original Batgirl costume and leather bondage gear look sported by Cassandra Cain.
Reminds me of a female Batman Beyond costume. I like it. I wonder how the Bat family will handle her ... if she's someone they don't know.

[Generic Eric]

Reminds me of a female Batman Beyond costume. I like it. I wonder how the Bat family will handle her ... if she's someone they don't know.

I agree that the overal costume is pretty cool, but the mask needs to be fixed.

Since the overal status of the batman comics seem to be going back to status qou, that pretty much has to be Barbara Gorden under tthe mask.

[Brack360]

That is either Barbara Gordon or an entirely new character.

[Calculator]

That is either Barbara Gordon or an entirely new character.

Removing Barbara from her station as Oracle would seem...ugh...it's just not going to happen. How long has she been Oracle now? 20 years?

[Generic Eric]

The wheelchair bound character will probably just be her alter ego. I remember an issue of Birds of Prey where she was trying to find Ra's Al Ghul so she calculates the locations of any possible lazurus pit on her computer. That got me thinking, why the hell would she even be in a wheelchair with all her knowledge and resources in the DC universe?

[malephoenix]

I seen her in an issue of superman/batman and it was helena. So, yeah a pic has been released. Whether or not it's her I don't know...

That wasn't "our" Batwoman. That was an alternate reality version. You're talking about the issue with Superlad, right?










But I thought it had been established that Montoya was going to be Batwoman. "The Drunk Knight" or something like that. She's all cutting edge and such because she's a drunk and a lesbian or whatever. Were those things not established?

[malephoenix]

The wheelchair bound character will probably just be her alter ego. I remember an issue of Birds of Prey where she was trying to find Ra's Al Ghul so she calculates the locations of any possible lazurus pit on her computer. That got me thinking, why the hell would she even be in a wheelchair with all her knowledge and resources in the DC universe?

GenEric, knock it off with that common sense, there, bub! Don't apply such things to the comic book world;
"Why does no villain use facial regocnition software on Bats and the rest of the Superheros with only partial masks?"
"Why is Professor X not able to walk when he could be healed by other mutants, technology or magic?"
"How do the people in Smallville who grew up with Clark not recognize his face when they see it on TV as Supes?"
"Why doesn't Rogue just wear an inhibbting collar or Forge build her a permanent 1-centimeter force field?"

You keep that up, and the LCS Police Dept. will be after you in no time.

[JoshuaB]

Reminds me of the Thrillkiller Batgirl costume.

[DMike]

Babs still seems to be wheelchair bound over in Birds of Prey, so I don't think it's her.

[Hellstormer]

My bets on Bette Cane

[Murrocko]

My bets on Bette Cane
Isn't she blonde? And like someone else said, couldn't the wheel chair thing be her cover up?

[Hellstormer]

Isn't she blonde? And like someone else said, couldn't the wheel chair thing be her cover up?
She's blonde but she could always dye her hair or the coloring could be off or a number of other things could happen to change her hair color.

[Generic Eric]

I know, comic logic differs from logic,logic.

I think montoya will probly be the new Question.

A wheelchair is just as good coverup as Superman Being a clunsy Reporter in his day to day life.

[DracoMalfoy]

Oracle is too damn essential to the DC Earth. Everything would fall apart without her. Villians United Special proved this.

There's absolutely no reason for Barbara to become Batwoman when Gotham nor the world NEEDS a Batwoman.

[Murrocko]

I know, comic logic differs from logic,logic.

I think montoya will probly be the new Question.

A wheelchair is just as good coverup as Superman Being a clunsy Reporter in his day to day life.
... and glasses :rolleyes:

[Generic Eric]

Oracle is too damn essential to the DC Earth. Everything would fall apart without her. Villians United Special proved this.

There's absolutely no reason for Barbara to become Batwoman when Gotham nor the world NEEDS a Batwoman.

Ok, then my second choice for the new batwoman would be Cassadra Cain. She's a good canidate for the role since rumors going around that the character is a lesbian.....











..... Just, kidding. I just implied that Cassadra was gay to cheese off some of her unusually obsessive fans. I mean seriously I've on some message bourds where some fans don't just love her character, but are 'in' love with her.

[Trey Krimsin]

Whatever happened to Vesper Fairchild? Didn't she have red hair?

[DracoMalfoy]

Ok, then my second choice for the new batwoman would be Cassadra Cain. She's a good canidate for the role since rumors going around that the character is a lesbian.....











..... Just, kidding. I just implied that Cassadra was gay to cheese off some of her unusually obsessive fans. I mean seriously I've on some message bourds where some fans don't just love her character, but are 'in' love with her.

I thought Cassandra Cain was gay for awhile considering her relationship with Spoiler....

[Generic Eric]

I thought Cassandra Cain was gay for awhile considering her relationship with Spoiler....

Nah, people with poor social skills ofter come off awkwardly. Since Spoiler was her first and only friend it's hard to tell how she felt about her.

[Brack360]

There's no reason why Barbara could not simultaneously be both Oracle and Batwoman, though I'm not sure if DC would do that because it might be too confusing.

[protege]

I know, comic logic differs from logic,logic.

I think montoya will probly be the new Question.

A wheelchair is just as good coverup as Superman Being a clunsy Reporter in his day to day life.
Wait- the NEW Question? is something going to happen to the old one?

[Generic Eric]

Wait- the NEW Question? is something going to happen to the old one?

Maybe, maybe not. Just a bunch of rumors:D

[filthysize]

Whatever happened to Vesper Fairchild? Didn't she have red hair?

She's kind of busy being dead, but you never know...

[Chip Whitley]

She's kind of busy being dead, but you never know...
Yep, she was offed at the start of the Bruce Wayne: Murderer?/Fugitive story arc.

[Calculator]

She's kind of busy being dead, but you never know...

RETCON PUNCH! lmao

[Nate Grey]

So, this basically means Cassandra Cain IS the villain in the current arc in Robin, right? :(

[fuaak]

So, this basically means Cassandra Cain IS the villain in the current arc in Robin, right? :(
Cheer up, we don't know that yet! She could also be dead! Or limbo'd away like the white-shirted Supergirl!

...

Okay, I guess the best (or least bad) case scenario is that she's some sort of an antihero now, gathering momentum for her big break that hopefully comes someday. Of course DC doesn't have a good track record of reviving characters they've shuffled away, and they never seemed to have a clue about how to handle poor Cass, but I guess being pushed to the sidelines by an idiotic editorial decision is still marginally better than being gotten entirely rid of by an idiotic editorial decision.

[shaxper]

spoiler tags are always helpful for topics like these. I still haven't read IC #7 yet.

[Nate Grey]

Cheer up, we don't know that yet! She could also be dead! Or limbo'd away like the white-shirted Supergirl!

...

Okay, I guess the best (or least bad) case scenario is that she's some sort of an antihero now, gathering momentum for her big break that hopefully comes someday. Of course DC doesn't have a good track record of reviving characters they've shuffled away, and they never seemed to have a clue about how to handle poor Cass, but I guess being pushed to the sidelines by an idiotic editorial decision is still marginally better than being gotten entirely rid of by an idiotic editorial decision.

There's been too many clues dropped that its Cass, and while I was hoping it was one great big red herring, seeing Batwoman for the first time in IC7 kinda confirms it. Unless its Cass's long lost evil twin sister...its Cass. :( I don't understand why DC felt this was necessary: why not leave her in limbo until someone could do something with her? If she doesn't fit into this "Silver Age II" vision Didio got going, how is THIS better? My dream is that the mystery villain is Anarky, but ironically DC would rather leave HIM in limbo till someone else can do something with him. :rolleyes:

I had heard a rumor they were restarting Justice League Elite, but a) its just a rumor, and b) even if its not, DC may not feel obligated to use Cass in her Kasumi identity.

[Captain Jim]

DC has yet to officially acknowledge that there's even going to *be* a Batwoman. How can you say it's a foregone conclusion she'll be Cass? (I'm certainly not convinced.)

[Lorendiac]

Nah, people with poor social skills ofter come off awkwardly. Since Spoiler was her first and only friend it's hard to tell how she felt about her.

I never got the feeling Cassandra was gay when I was reading early issues of her comic. Including her sparring matches with Spoiler. I remember Chuck Dixon once said something to the effect that during his run on "Birds of Prey," he'd occasionally get letters from readers telling him how much they enjoyed his depiction of a "mature lesbian relationship" between the two leading ladies (Oracle and Black Canary), or words to that effect. Which really surprised him because a) to the best of his knowledge and intention, neither woman had lesbian tendencies, and b) at this point in the BoP continuity, they had never even been in the same room at the same time to talk to each other, so where exactly was this "lesbian" stuff supposed to be happening? Were they just supposed to be romantically fascinated by the sounds of each other's voices in long-distance calls?

Made me wonder if the attitude on the part of some of the fans who wrote to him went something like this? "Two strong-minded, capable women. Neither of them is currently seriously involved with a man. Neither of them is currently being dominated by a man. Therefore, they have both decided they don't need men in their lives at all. Therefore, they are probably lesbians?" Talk about leaping to conclusions . . .

[Lorendiac]

DC has yet to officially acknowledge that there's even going to *be* a Batwoman. How can you say it's a foregone conclusion she'll be Cass? (I'm certainly not convinced.)

I don't say she'll be Cass, but I do feel that showing her image near the end of IC #7 is very, very close to the same thing as DC making an official "statement" that a new Batwoman character will in fact exist in the OYL continuity. :)

I don't take the red hair too seriously as a clue, though. Anyone can pull on a red wig or use hair dye.

[Generic Eric]

I never got the feeling Cassandra was gay when I was reading early issues of her comic. Including her sparring matches with Spoiler. I remember Chuck Dixon once said something to the effect that during his run on "Birds of Prey," he'd occasionally get letters from readers telling him how much they enjoyed his depiction of a "mature lesbian relationship" between the two leading ladies (Oracle and Black Canary), or words to that effect. Which really surprised him because a) to the best of his knowledge and intention, neither woman had lesbian tendencies, and b) at this point in the BoP continuity, they had never even been in the same room at the same time to talk to each other, so where exactly was this "lesbian" stuff supposed to be happening? Were they just supposed to be romantically fascinated by the sounds of each other's voices in long-distance calls?

Made me wonder if the attitude on the part of some of the fans who wrote to him went something like this? "Two strong-minded, capable women. Neither of them is currently seriously involved with a man. Neither of them is currently being dominated by a man. Therefore, they have both decided they don't need men in their lives at all. Therefore, they are probably lesbians?" Talk about leaping to conclusions

I guess some people always have sex on their minds. I've always thought of Birds of Prey as a buddy adventure. It kind of reminds me of all the great buddy films of the 80's like Tango and cash, Lethal weapon, the Lost boys, Highway to hell, etc. Maybe some are looking for strong gay characters or just material for fanfiction.

[Kent H]

spoiler tags are always helpful for topics like these. I still haven't read IC #7 yet.


Where's the spoiler? It's a two page splash of heroes that will be featured in 52 and OYL, that has absolutely nothing to do with the story in Infinite Crisis 7 otherwise.

[fuaak]

DC has yet to officially acknowledge that there's even going to *be* a Batwoman.
Oh COME ON.

http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batwom4js.jpg

There's your official announcement.


How can you say it's a foregone conclusion she'll be Cass? (I'm certainly not convinced.)
As far as I can see, nobody is saying that, people are saying the opposite - that IC7 confirms that she isn't Batwoman, and instead is the villain of the current Robin arc.

[Forsaken_One]

Her not being one thing doesn't mean she's another. She may not be Batwoman but that doesn't mean the only other option is her becoming a villian in Robin. To say Infinite Crisis #7 somehow confirms Cass is "instead is the villain of the current Robin arc" by showing she probably isn't Batwoman is just ludicrous.

[fuaak]

Her not being one thing doesn't mean she's another.
Technically true, but there are very few other options. See: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3059320&postcount=32

[the_coldest_sun]

Where's the spoiler? It's a two page splash of heroes that will be featured in 52 and OYL, that has absolutely nothing to do with the story in Infinite Crisis 7 otherwise.
Leslie killed her.... :D

[Nate Grey]

I didn't realize I worded it so it seemed I thought the Batwoman in IC7 *is* Cass. Let me try again:

Before IC7, clues were dropped in Robin that Cass is going to be the villain of that arc. Holding out hope, I thought perhaps its a red herring and Cass will return as Batwoman! However, seeing Batwoman in IC7, and seeing how she looks NOTHING LIKE CASS, my fears seem to be confirmed that Cass will, indeed, be the villain in Robin. I hope I am still somehow wrong, and that even if Cass isn't Batgirl OR Batwoman, she'll still be a hero somehow.

[Captain Jim]

Oh COME ON.

http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batwom4js.jpg

There's your official announcement.


No, that's a tease. Big difference between a tease (that's open to interpretation) and an official announcement. :)

[Jmacq1]

Yeah, because I'm -so sure- DC is going to make her "Batfemme" at the last minute.

Gimme a break.

Also: It ain't Barbara Gordon. Unless they want us to suspend disbelief to the point of utter stupidity: She's still wheelchair bound in "Birds of Prey", and even if the Wheelchair -is- her "cover", why the hell would she still wheel around in it while she's in her "secret lair" doing her Oracle stuff? Who's she protecting her identity from when she's doing secret things in a secret place? There's absolutely no logical reasoning for it that wouldn't be utter stupidity.

In short: Babs ain't Batwoman. And if she is, she'll be paralyzed again by the end of "52".

[phantom1592]

Sad thing is, I HATE oracle. I liked her a Hundred times bettter as Batgirl. Oracle hasn't done anything good for Batman or DC in general. Instead of being a Detective, now they just get on a phone and ask for all the answeres.

I remember a time when it was just the worlds greatest detective and his big honkin Bat-computer, and he did just fine.

[Damo]

That's right, Oracle is useless. That was Snapper Carr you saw as the master strategist behind the heroes during the Villains United special. She also has definitely not been a major force in the Birds of Prey. And I don't think her skills helped the Justice League at all. Ever. Nope.

[/sarcasm]

[phantom1592]

That's right, Oracle is useless. That was Snapper Carr you saw as the master strategist behind the heroes during the Villains United special. She also has definitely not been a major force in the Birds of Prey. And I don't think her skills helped the Justice League at all. Ever. Nope.

[/sarcasm]


Didn't say she was useless, just don't like her. I think someone standing behind the curtain with all the answers. I like Batman as a detective who can use his own brain to come up with a list of suspects instead of phoning it in.

I know she's worked with the JLA before, but I haven't read any of those issues where she was integral. and as for Villians united, she didn't really do anything. She "noticed" that the villians had broken out and sent people to stop them. Which they failed. The Bad guys all got to Metropolis. Where J'onn linked their minds.

I like Barbara, but I just think they took the idea of Oracle too far.

[Lorendiac]

I guess some people always have sex on their minds. I've always thought of Birds of Prey as a buddy adventure. It kind of reminds me of all the great buddy films of the 80's like Tango and cash, Lethal weapon, the Lost boys, Highway to hell, etc. Maybe some are looking for strong gay characters or just material for fanfiction.

Years ago, I was exploring some online fanfic. I don't remember exactly what I looked at on a certain site, but for the sake of argument let's say it was something like this:

"Together Again. Wolverine and Cyclops. (Slash.)"

I was younger then -- I vaguely assumed that the "slash" warning meant "lots of bloodshed, just like a slasher film from Hollywood!" I could live with that. I clicked and started looking at the fanfic.

Nope, not much bloodshed. Just two well-known male costumed characters succumbing to their long-suppressed sexual urges for each other, regardless of whether this made the slightest sense to someone who was actually familiar with their standard characterizations "in continuity." (I don't actually remember if it was Wolverine and Cyclops -- but you get the general idea!)

I lost interest in a hurry. Reading online erotica about superhero characters (male/male, female/female, or even the more conventional heterosexual pairings) is not really something I feel the overwhelming urge to do when I'm online. But I gather that yes, there are some fans who read superhero comic books with an eagle eye for anything that might, by some huge stretch of the imagination, be interpreted as signs of a sexual relationship between Character A and Character B even if no regular writer on those characters has ever even tried to hint at such a thing.

[Forsaken_One]

Are you kidding? There's slash stuff for anyone and everyone. Hell, there's even more than a few sites dedicated to political slash (like Bush/Blaire or Rumsfeld/Rice) out there. :p

People don't need reasons actually shown in comic books to write a slash and/or erotica fanfic.

[Corrina]

There are two natural redheads in the Bat-verse not mentioned in this thread.

1. Kathy Kane, the original Batwoman. I don't think she's been seen in over 25 years and she's supposed to be dead but she's the original, predating even Barbara Gordon, so I don't see why it couldn't be her with the retcon punch and all. Last seen, in the 1970s, she was running a traveling carnival when she was murdered.

2. Sarah Essen Gordon, fist seen in Batman: Year One and later in DKR, killed by the Joker in "No Man's Land." She's also dead and she never liked vigilantes much at all, so I think the chances of her being Batwoman are pretty slim but I mention her anyway because you never know, she's a redhead, she's connected strongly to Gotham, and I'd like to see her back.

[Jmacq1]

Kathy Kane was a brunette/black-haired, not a redhead. Not to say that they couldn't change her hair color, but just keeping things accurate. It was actually the golden age version of Bette Kane/Bat-Girl that was occasionally shown with reddish/strawberry blonde hair.

Personally I think it's going to be a new character named "Terri McGinnis". ;)

[titanfan]

That's right, Oracle is useless. That was Snapper Carr you saw as the master strategist behind the heroes during the Villains United special. She also has definitely not been a major force in the Birds of Prey. And I don't think her skills helped the Justice League at all. Ever. Nope.

It's not Oracle who is useless. The problem is that using her often comes at the expense of other characters because writers often use her as a crutch/plot device girl instead of having their characters do their own leg work. Nightwing, who is supposed to be a great Detective, went years and years without doing his own leg Detective work thanks to Oracle.

Of course, now that Oracle exists--if she weren't being used, readers would not ask "Why not just call Oracle?"
So it's a lose lose situation.

[Corrina]

Kathy Kane was a brunette/black-haired, not a redhead. Not to say that they couldn't change her hair color, but just keeping things accurate. It was actually the golden age version of Bette Kane/Bat-Girl that was occasionally shown with reddish/strawberry blonde hair.

Personally I think it's going to be a new character named "Terri McGinnis". ;)

She's a redhead in my 1970s issues.....

[Jmacq1]

She's a redhead in my 1970s issues.....

1970's issues? Are you sure you're not mixing her up with Barbara Gordon? Kathy Kane was killed off in the 1970's, and her Earth-2 counterpart had a couple appearances after that, but she was a brunette as well.

Here's a breakdown of Kathy Kane/Batwoman's entire history: Note in all the illustrations (not including the ones of Barbara Gordon/Batgirl) she has black hair:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Batwoman/BatwomanHistory.htm

[Corrina]

Oh, I have the issues where Kathy was killed. Unfortunately, not in easy striking distance, so I will have to conclude that my memory is faulty. Not the first time, as I'm old. (See part where I have the issues where Kathy was killed, bought fresh off the newstand. Batman Family Dollar comic, I believe.)

[Captain Jim]

That's not old. Now, people like me who read the original Batwoman stories in the early 1960's, we're old! ;)

[Bedlam66]

That wasn't "our" Batwoman. That was an alternate reality version. You're talking about the issue with Superlad, right?










But I thought it had been established that Montoya was going to be Batwoman. "The Drunk Knight" or something like that. She's all cutting edge and such because she's a drunk and a lesbian or whatever. Were those things not established?
It's not her.the main Chars appearing in 52 will NOT show up in any other DC books while 52 is running. That makes it impossible for her to be Batwoman unless the only place she shows up in for the next year is 52. Oh and I like the mask, it's cool.

[Jmacq1]

First off, Batwoman -could- be only appearing in 52 this upcoming year. An ongoing "Batwoman" title has -not- been officially announced, only hinted at in rumors. In fact, when asked about it more recently, Dan Didio basically said "What Batwoman title?"

I'm thinking they shifted the character to "52" to gauge reaction and popularity before they take the gamble on an ongoing series. So yes, it -could- be Renee Montoya. I kind of doubt it at this point, but who knows?

[Nate Grey]

Yeah, because I'm -so sure- DC is going to make her "Batfemme" at the last minute.

Gimme a break.

Also: It ain't Barbara Gordon. Unless they want us to suspend disbelief to the point of utter stupidity: She's still wheelchair bound in "Birds of Prey", and even if the Wheelchair -is- her "cover", why the hell would she still wheel around in it while she's in her "secret lair" doing her Oracle stuff? Who's she protecting her identity from when she's doing secret things in a secret place? There's absolutely no logical reasoning for it that wouldn't be utter stupidity.

In short: Babs ain't Batwoman. And if she is, she'll be paralyzed again by the end of "52".

Well, I just saw something on the DC messageboard. Just a theory, but it kinda makes sense. What if the Batman Beyond-esque suit is a major clue? What if the suit, and ONLY the suit, always Barbara to walk, run, FIGHT, do whatever? If that's true, since she can't wear the suit all the time, THAT'S why she's still paralyzed and in a wheelchair in her " 'secret lair' doing Oracle stuff".

Just a thought. Its possible, but you it still may not be her. In any case, I didn't know during the Silver Age Batwoman's sidekick was none other than Batgirl! Hmm...

[Chudy]

I won't be suprised, if DC will introduce Kathy Kane again to DC Universe. Of course It won't be something new or fresh, however It won't be also awful.

But, in my opinion, the best choise is creating a new character from fundamentals for Batwoman. Someone brand new.

[The Xenos]

I don't know about the hair, but after reading the first part of 52, I can't help but think Montoya might take on a costume. Maybe. I dunno. We'll see.

[van-zee]

Well, I just saw something on the DC messageboard. Just a theory, but it kinda makes sense. What if the Batman Beyond-esque suit is a major clue? What if the suit, and ONLY the suit, always Barbara to walk, run, FIGHT, do whatever? If that's true, since she can't wear the suit all the time, THAT'S why she's still paralyzed and in a wheelchair in her " 'secret lair' doing Oracle stuff".

See, this I like. It would be great to see Babs out and about without having to give up her position as Oracle.

At the library they have this poster that said "Librarians are heroes too." It had a picture of Babs walking past a window. In the window was a reflection of her as Batgirl.

Babs isn't batgirl anymore. Or a librarian. And she can't walk.

I'd like at least two of these things to be worked back into the comics. If nothing else, I won't have to call that poster a big, huge, fat liar every time I see it.

And I won't get kicked out of the library for yelling.

[mohammedali]

The Batwoman suit is one of the ideas behind a popular fan made comic called Dark Knight Adventures (google it, it's done with BTAS style looks - quite cool). In that, Batman is currently developing a prototype that later becomes the Batman Beyond costume. It is this costume that allows Barbara to walk, and fight etc. I think DC are going to copy this idea.

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

JHousely at Newsarama posts:
Sunday, May 28th NY Times has a full page article on diversity in comics. Entitled "Straight (and Not) Out of the Comics: At DC and Marvel Comics, new heroes are gay, black, Asian and Hispanic. Get used to it." In addition to writing about Black Panther's wedding and the new Blue Beetle, writer George Gene Gustines discusses the new Batwoman.... Kathy Kane.

"Batwoman is a wealthy, buxom lipstick lesbian who has a history with Renee Montoya, an ex-police detective who has a starring role in '52'."



If this is true, consider me.... I don't know, is underwhelmed the right word? I don't mind keeping Barbara as Oracle, but aren't she, Montoya and Huntress (the strongest candidates for being Batwoman) due for a promotion?

[Corrina]

Buxom is redundant when speaking of mainstream superhero comic book females.

[Damo]

*Sighs.* I've come across a few people that want Kathy back.

Please, no. Her death was a great moment, the high-point of the otherwise pretty much pointless League of Assassins storyline.

And she had a crime fighting purse. Look, I know she was "incredibly liberated for her time". But you know what? Sometimes a purse is a purse no matter what time you're living in.

As for the "supersuit theory". I'm one of the people spreading that theory around. I think it's plausible DC's going that way. You see her in the wheelchair because it takes a long time to charge in between uses. But I don't think I like it, because if it's in use then I give it 2 years before Babs in the suit manages to get into a Laz pit, and then the whole Oracle period will one day become just one of those crazy glitches in the past, like Connor Hawke being Green Arrow, or the whole Azbats nonsense.

[TROUBLEZ]

Not a fan of the costume or name. If Jason Todd was never supposed to have died, but did, and then got resurrected, why not erase what happened to Bat-girl?
The original costume was perfect.

[Ontir]

I'm intrigued as to what they're going to be doing with this new Batwoman. It's a pretty gutsy move on DC's part to launch a comic with a lesbian lead as part of the Bat-Family.

[filthysize]

Bah. With Ivy, Montoya and now Kathy Kane, there's offically too many lesbians in Gotham.

When is DC gonna put out a transvestite hero? And none of that between gender cosmic being crap. I mean a post-op transvestite. Come on, DiDio.

[Ontir]

Ivy, as in "Poison?" Who knew?!?

[filthysize]

Ivy, as in "Poison?" Who knew?!?


Well... all right, technically she's bisexual.

[boolean]

When is DC gonna put out a transvestite hero? And none of that between gender cosmic being crap. I mean a post-op transvestite. Come on, DiDio.

What op? There's usually no operation involved with being a transvestite.