View Full Version : Nitro once got beaten by Rusty and Skids...
Not to mention losing to the Heroes for Hire. I've missed a lot of books lately, but at what point did his powers get upgraded to the point that he could be a threat to a Namor's cousin? Heck the warriors once fought Terrax, a herald of Galactus. Nitro is small fries.
Kevinroc
05-01-2006, 06:25 PM
Before this, Nitro's claim to fame was being indirectly responsible for killing Captain Mar-Vell.
Before Civil War, Nitro hadn't really been seen in awhile. It was mentioned that he was one of the villains who escaped from The Raft in the early issues of New Avengers.
It's quite possible that Nitro got a boost through the big business conspiracy that Mark Millar introduced during his Marvel Knights Spider-Man run.
(For those that don't know, as Millar explained during his MK Spidey run, in the Marvel U., big corporations were afraid that the super heroes would come after them for their shady business dealings. So they created and toyed around with super villains to keep the heroes occupied. When the Government found out about this, they tried to shut this practice down. But by that point in time, the big business conspiracy had already created a number of villains so that damage had been done.)
Or maybe it ties into whatever is corrupting SHIELD.
Haunt
05-01-2006, 07:18 PM
Before this, Nitro's claim to fame was being indirectly responsible for killing Captain Mar-Vell.
Before Civil War, Nitro hadn't really been seen in awhile. It was mentioned that he was one of the villains who escaped from The Raft in the early issues of New Avengers.
It's quite possible that Nitro got a boost through the big business conspiracy that Mark Millar introduced during his Marvel Knights Spider-Man run.
(For those that don't know, as Millar explained during his MK Spidey run, in the Marvel U., big corporations were afraid that the super heroes would come after them for their shady business dealings. So they created and toyed around with super villains to keep the heroes occupied. When the Government found out about this, they tried to shut this practice down. But by that point in time, the big business conspiracy had already created a number of villains so that damage had been done.)
Or maybe it ties into whatever is corrupting SHIELD.
whatever it is, i hope that Norman Osborn and Sinclair Abbott are involved; not as masterminds (of course) but opportunists.
AllisterH
05-01-2006, 08:01 PM
Hell, he lost to Daredevil as well which is why I find it funny when the comic seems to try and imply that Nitro was out of the Warriors league.
However, I doubt this will even get mentioned in the comic.
Seriously, I'm racking my brains trying to remember when, if ever, Nitro was a real threat. I'm drawing a blank. The guy's made a career of losing to nobodies, and being on teams with nobodies, and being in stories nobody remembers. Nita and the other New Warriors traded blows with Terrax, one of the Silver Surfer's enemies. There are villains out there that are supposedly low level but might be able to kill them and some innocent civilians too. But Nitro has never been depicted as one of them. I'm really bummed that a character that I've tried to get every appearance of has been killed by someone who frankly is lucky he hasn't lost to the Power Pack.
Haunt
05-01-2006, 09:32 PM
Seriously, I'm racking my brains trying to remember when, if ever, Nitro was a real threat. I'm drawing a blank. The guy's made a career of losing to nobodies, and being on teams with nobodies, and being in stories nobody remembers. Nita and the other New Warriors traded blows with Terrax, one of the Silver Surfer's enemies. There are villains out there that are supposedly low level but might be able to kill them and some innocent civilians too. But Nitro has never been depicted as one of them. I'm really bummed that a character that I've tried to get every appearance of has been killed by someone who frankly is lucky he hasn't lost to the Power Pack.
maybe i'm off-base but i thought it was obvious, from Nitro's own comments, that he had been artificially-amped up in some fashion. Namorita obviously wasn't worried about him exploding in her vicinity and Nitro was talking as if he had a secret. i think he'd definately been enhanced.
twilight
05-01-2006, 09:33 PM
Not to mention losing to the Heroes for Hire.
Well that incarnation of the HFH did have Hercules as a member and Hercules is one of a handful of characters who could feasibly survive a full-power Nitro explosion.
garin
05-01-2006, 09:34 PM
The impression I get is that Nitro has had a power boost, and it takes the Warriors by surprise.
twilight
05-01-2006, 09:36 PM
Seriously, I'm racking my brains trying to remember when, if ever, Nitro was a real threat.
Nitro's never been presented as a real threat but the potential has always been there.
Besides his devastating explosive powers being able to reconstitute himself wherever the hell he wants is pretty damn scary.
Haunt
05-01-2006, 09:46 PM
Well that incarnation of the HFH did have Hercules as a member and Hercules is one of a handful of characters who could feasibly survive a full-power Nitro explosion.
Iron Fist dispersed him with his iron fist, as well. Nitro usually takes his opponents out with shrapnel or by being in close proximity to some kind of accelerant (Hercules threw an oil or gas tank at him).
The impression I get is that Nitro has had a power boost, and it takes the Warriors by surprise.
yep. it as much as says so right there in the preview. otherwise, i couldn't imagine Namorita telling him that him exploding would just make her angry.
Loestal
05-01-2006, 09:49 PM
Nitro's never been presented as a real threat but the potential has always been there.
Besides his devastating explosive powers being able to reconstitute himself wherever the hell he wants is pretty damn scary.
Same as Hydro-man. He could be godly if he used his full potential. Perhaps it's Millar being a little more realistic...I mean hell, I guy that explodes is dangerous anyway you slice it. And the guy killed Cap. Marvel...give him some credit. Just because he is an older, slightly dated character, doesn't mean he should be discredited.
Haunt
05-01-2006, 09:54 PM
Same as Hydro-man. He could be godly if he used his full potential. Perhaps it's Millar being a little more realistic...I mean hell, I guy that explodes is dangerous anyway you slice it. And the guy killed Cap. Marvel...give him some credit. Just because he is an older, slightly dated character, doesn't mean he should be discredited.
Hydro-Man has started to recognize his own power, although he's still dumb as a box of rocks. but, like he said, he's practically immortal now. and he's learned to suck the moisture out of people.
Loestal
05-01-2006, 09:57 PM
Hydro-Man has started to recognize his own power, although he's still dumb as a box of rocks. but, like he said, he's practically immortal now. and he's learned to suck the moisture out of people.
Which was my point, it's easy for a joke of a character to became something more, if written properly.
Yeah, but it's not just a matter of Nitro never using his powers well. We've seen him go full power in the past, and it was, well, maybe enough to take out a building. The cousin of Namor should be able to laugh it off.
I guess if he had a power boost, okay... but I still reckon if it had been Namor himself in there, and not his nearly-as-strong cuz, he would have walked away from it.
Haunt
05-01-2006, 10:29 PM
Yeah, but it's not just a matter of Nitro never using his powers well. We've seen him go full power in the past, and it was, well, maybe enough to take out a building. The cousin of Namor should be able to laugh it off.
I guess if he had a power boost, okay... but I still reckon if it had been Namor himself in there, and not his nearly-as-strong cuz, he would have walked away from it.
but that goes without saying. Namor doesn't usually go after people unless he's planning to twist their head off. Namorita's a kindler gentler Atlantean.
streator
05-01-2006, 10:40 PM
http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=42860451894%2015
this was the last time i remember seeing him/read about him.
i'd agree that he got some sort of upgrade though, given the preview pages and his dialogue.
NathanielEssex
05-01-2006, 11:16 PM
Yeah, if Hydro-Man ever gets smarter, anything that bleeds should have fear of him. Hell, Superman bleeds. I know, wrong universe, but you get my drift.
StoneGold
05-02-2006, 12:22 AM
I think there's a certain level of "guy with a gun" to this as well. If this were, oh, let's say Dr. Doom, people would focus on Doom. But because this was a two-bit chump, a gods only know how many times loser, you focus on the guys who screwed up the arrest.
Red Lotus
05-02-2006, 08:48 AM
I don't know if Nitro got an Upgrade I just thought its was like Graviton and m Nitro needed a little more confidence. But also he was slammed into a bus with a tank full of Gas so if he went all nuke then, then I could see him taking a lot of people down Namortia included.
As for Nitro saying that they were playing with the big boy's is just how Nitro sees his self. He brags about being the one who killed Captain Marvel. In Nitro's head he is out of the New Warriors league. No offense to any New Warriors fans but almost any villain would feel the same way. Their not the Avengers, the X-men, or FF, the Shocker would look at them and be ticked that an A league team didn't come after him.
Haunt
05-02-2006, 09:45 AM
I don't know if Nitro got an Upgrade I just thought its was like Graviton and m Nitro needed a little more confidence. But also he was slammed into a bus with a tank full of Gas so if he went all nuke then, then I could see him taking a lot of people down Namortia included.
As for Nitro saying that they were playing with the big boy's is just how Nitro sees his self. He brags about being the one who killed Captain Marvel. In Nitro's head he is out of the New Warriors league. No offense to any New Warriors fans but almost any villain would feel the same way. Their not the Avengers, the X-men, or FF, the Shocker would look at them and be ticked that an A league team didn't come after him.
you're missing one element of it though; Namorita's behavior. i'm sure that she's seen a gas tank before. she warned Nitro that blowing up would just piss her off.
Jim McCann
05-02-2006, 09:59 AM
Read the Wolverine tie-ins for answers to your burning Nitro questions. (that sounds bad...)
drdarthdoom
05-02-2006, 11:12 AM
I think Marvel is doing exactly what DC did, take a second rate super villian ala Dr Light, and make hime a big time player and i totally agree with this its nice to get some new blood persay running around causing trouble for the marvel universe instead of the same old bad guys.
I think Marvel is doing exactly what DC did, take a second rate super villian ala Dr Light, and make hime a big time player and i totally agree with this its nice to get some new blood persay running around causing trouble for the marvel universe instead of the same old bad guys.
Perhaps... but Light fought the Teen Titans. Okay, he was a joke, but that's not too bad. Major sidekicks.
Nitro lost to Rusty and Skids. Rusty. And Skids. I mean, good grief, that automatically puts him down with Stilt Man, 8-Ball, and Orka.
Will.S
05-02-2006, 04:26 PM
Iron Fist dispersed him with his iron fist, as well.
Eh, sorta.
His iron fist move basically just blew up Nitro's hand (temporarily it seems). Black Knight was pretty powerful back then though to be able to defeat him.
drdarthdoom
05-03-2006, 07:28 AM
Perhaps... but Light fought the Teen Titans. Okay, he was a joke, but that's not too bad. Major sidekicks.
Nitro lost to Rusty and Skids. Rusty. And Skids. I mean, good grief, that automatically puts him down with Stilt Man, 8-Ball, and Orka.
Hey, whats wrong with Stilt Man? I mean if anybody should have thier book it should be him! :D
http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=42860451894%2015
this was the last time i remember seeing him/read about him.
i'd agree that he got some sort of upgrade though, given the preview pages and his dialogue.
He was also in Peter-Parker Spider-man 95 (He blew up but the blast was stopped by some lift doors. Doesn't suggest it was very powerful!)
I think he was also in one of the early issues of Bendis' Daredevil, and the blast seemed to be stronger there.
drdarthdoom
05-03-2006, 11:15 AM
One thing we all have to remember is stories from the past dont always make the super hero or villian, I mean Spidey Super Stories # 8 I belive (or around there) Showed Thanos being led off in hand cuffs by the NYPD. Now by no means i'm I saying the NYPD isnt strong and powerful but, come on Thanos??
Kevinroc
05-03-2006, 11:35 AM
One thing we all have to remember is stories from the past dont always make the super hero or villian, I mean Spidey Super Stories # 8 I belive (or around there) Showed Thanos being led off in hand cuffs by the NYPD. Now by no means i'm I saying the NYPD isnt strong and powerful but, come on Thanos??
That was an out-of-continuity comic meant for extremely young readers.
If you want "in-continuity" comics, just look at Squirrel Girl. She's beaten the likes of Dr. Doom and Thanos in "in-continuity" comics.
That was an out-of-continuity comic meant for extremely young readers.
If you want "in-continuity" comics, just look at Squirrel Girl. She's beaten the likes of Dr. Doom and Thanos in "in-continuity" comics.
Well yes, but she's one of the world's greatest heroes. We just... don't see her doing it very often. For... reasons. That exist. Kinda like Sentry - the stories were there, we just never saw them. Except she's way cuter than Sentry.
David O Burcham
05-04-2006, 04:21 AM
... because the PTB think New Warriors are teh suck.
Sean Walsh
05-04-2006, 08:32 AM
Quesada hates Speedball.
Hence, Nitro kills the New Warriors.
:mad:
Neolucifer
05-04-2006, 08:44 AM
Seriously, I'm racking my brains trying to remember when, if ever, Nitro was a real threat. I'm drawing a blank. The guy's made a career of losing to nobodies, and being on teams with nobodies, and being in stories nobody remembers. Nita and the other New Warriors traded blows with Terrax, one of the Silver Surfer's enemies. There are villains out there that are supposedly low level but might be able to kill them and some innocent civilians too. But Nitro has never been depicted as one of them. I'm really bummed that a character that I've tried to get every appearance of has been killed by someone who frankly is lucky he hasn't lost to the Power Pack.
Sure he isnt Magneto , but like someone already told you , he killed Captain Marvel even if not so much directly .
He is only a loser because unused , except for a few writers searching villain fodders for heroes . His power while not the best , is still quite powerful . Iron man had to force him to blow himself up till exhaustion once to actually beat him .
EDIT : yes he was upgraded
Not to mention losing to the Heroes for Hire. I've missed a lot of books lately, but at what point did his powers get upgraded to the point that he could be a threat to a Namor's cousin? Heck the warriors once fought Terrax, a herald of Galactus. Nitro is small fries.
Before chalking up Nitro as small, it's probably worth noting that this is not the NW that battled the Herald of Galactus. It's a much smaller weaker team, with many of the more seasoned and powerful heroes (Nova, Firestar, Justice) simply not there.
I frankly think this team of NW would have gotten their butts handed to them by Terrax too.
Psyco panda
05-04-2006, 12:30 PM
He was also in Peter-Parker Spider-man 95 (He blew up but the blast was stopped by some lift doors. Doesn't suggest it was very powerful!)
I think he was also in one of the early issues of Bendis' Daredevil, and the blast seemed to be stronger there.
He was in an issue of the last season of she hulk. He was one of a number of people who escaped from a prison (not the raft) who shulke beat, with a little help from Yellow jacket. He didn't seem powerful at all there.
Nitro exposed Captain Marvel to a nerve gas that gave him cancer that killed him. There's a difference between using nerve gas to give someone cancer to kill them, and just doing it yourself. Hell, Microbe could have done more, change the bacteria inside of you to excrete toxins. No nerve gas needed.
http://www.seanbaby.com/hostess/capmarv4.htm Nitro got beaten by Twinkies. TWINKIES. Microbe should have beaten the guy by distracting him with his lunch.
Nitro exposed Captain Marvel to a nerve gas that gave him cancer that killed him. There's a difference between using nerve gas to give someone cancer to kill them, and just doing it yourself. Hell, Microbe could have done more, change the bacteria inside of you to excrete toxins. No nerve gas needed.
http://www.seanbaby.com/hostess/capmarv4.htm Nitro got beaten by Twinkies. TWINKIES. Microbe should have beaten the guy by distracting him with his lunch.
Galactus was stopped by Twinkies. You'd be suprised how effective those things can be in the marvel universe.
Ah, but Galactus has always been about hunger, so havng twinkies prevent him from eating earth makes sense.
Neolucifer
05-04-2006, 05:48 PM
Hell, Microbe could have done more, change the bacteria inside of you to excrete toxins.
And faster , wich becomes actually an efficient way of killing . poor nitro , if he knew cancer was how he would succed , he would have done it so long ago :p :D
Haunt
05-04-2006, 06:39 PM
Galactus was stopped by Twinkies. You'd be suprised how effective those things can be in the marvel universe.
once humankind wipes itself off the face of the Earth, it will just be cockroaches and twinkies left to fight it out.
once humankind wipes itself off the face of the Earth, it will just be cockroaches and twinkies left to fight it out.
And Mr. Immortal.
drdarthdoom
05-05-2006, 07:39 AM
Galactus was stopped by Twinkies. You'd be suprised how effective those things can be in the marvel universe.
Yes! It is time to bring back Aunt May, The Golden Oldie as the herald of Galactus. Only She can put an end to the Civil War!! (Plus it could tie into Annihilation and kill 2 birds with one stone) :evilsmile
RabidWolfe
05-05-2006, 08:33 AM
Yes! It is time to bring back Aunt May, The Golden Oldie as the herald of Galactus. Only She can put an end to the Civil War!! (Plus it could tie into Annihilation and kill 2 birds with one stone) :evilsmile
Marvel doesn't have to guts to do something so bold.
:D
steve2275
05-05-2006, 08:57 AM
Just because he is an older, slightly dated character, doesn't mean he should be discredited.
kinda like annihilus
Yes! It is time to bring back Aunt May, The Golden Oldie as the herald of Galactus. Only She can put an end to the Civil War!! (Plus it could tie into Annihilation and kill 2 birds with one stone) :evilsmile
True... Twinkies just may be the key to stopping Annihilus. Even he may not be able to resist the golden sponge cake with the creamy filling.
kcekada
05-05-2006, 11:06 AM
Honestly, this is a shaky premise for the series.
Was what the New Warriors did significantly worse than what most super hero groups do on a daily basis. The only difference I can see is the TV cameras.
I'm not that familiar with Nitro -- but was he always portayed as that powerful? And does he have a degree of invulnerability? Otherwise, I don't know why he was conscious after Nita slammed him into the bus.
And why do the Avengers claim that the team should have known they were over-powered? If Nitro hadn't pulled a rabbit out of the hat -- the New Warriors would have defetated this motley crew handily.
Kevinroc
05-05-2006, 11:27 AM
Honestly, this is a shaky premise for the series.
Was what the New Warriors did significantly worse than what most super hero groups do on a daily basis. The only difference I can see is the TV cameras.
I'm not that familiar with Nitro -- but was he always portayed as that powerful? And does he have a degree of invulnerability? Otherwise, I don't know why he was conscious after Nita slammed him into the bus.
And why do the Avengers claim that the team should have known they were over-powered? If Nitro hadn't pulled a rabbit out of the hat -- the New Warriors would have defetated this motley crew handily.
1: It was mentioned that the people were growing increasingly disgusted with Marvel's super heroes and they mentioned a few incidents (Hulk destroys Vegas, Wolverine threatening the president). They said this event was "the straw that broke the camel's back."
2: Nitro fluctuates on the power scale. He's given Iron Man a hard time and other times gets thrased like yesterday's news by Rusty and Skids. It appears here that he got a power upgrade that the NW didn't know about.
3: Hindsight is 20/20. But Cap and The New Avengers did make it their mission to recapture all the escaped criminals. This was supposed to be their cause.
garin
05-05-2006, 11:30 AM
I'm not that familiar with Nitro -- but was he always portayed as that powerful? And does he have a degree of invulnerability? Otherwise, I don't know why he was conscious after Nita slammed him into the bus.
And why do the Avengers claim that the team should have known they were over-powered? If Nitro hadn't pulled a rabbit out of the hat -- the New Warriors would have defetated this motley crew handily.
Nitro was more powerful here than he's ever been seen before. Apparently there will be answers about that in the upcoming Wolverine arc.
Tony's line about Speedball knowing they were out of their league is a bit weird. It could partly just be his guilt speaking, he feels like he should have been able to do something to prevent it. They were Raft escapees after all, which is kind of within the New Avengers' remit.
Zombienorthstar
05-05-2006, 11:42 AM
1: It was mentioned that the people were growing increasingly disgusted with Marvel's super heroes and they mentioned a few incidents (Hulk destroys Vegas, Wolverine threatening the president). They said this event was "the straw that broke the camel's back."
2: Nitro fluctuates on the power scale. He's given Iron Man a hard time and other times gets thrased like yesterday's news by Rusty and Skids. It appears here that he got a power upgrade that the NW didn't know about.
3: Hindsight is 20/20. But Cap and The New Avengers did make it their mission to recapture all the escaped criminals. This was supposed to be their cause.
Yeah but in a fight everything is random anyway...i mean the smallest dude could take down Mike Tyson if he gets one lucky punch.
Honestly, this is a shaky premise for the series.
Was what the New Warriors did significantly worse than what most super hero groups do on a daily basis. The only difference I can see is the TV cameras.
I'm not that familiar with Nitro -- but was he always portayed as that powerful? And does he have a degree of invulnerability? Otherwise, I don't know why he was conscious after Nita slammed him into the bus.
And why do the Avengers claim that the team should have known they were over-powered? If Nitro hadn't pulled a rabbit out of the hat -- the New Warriors would have defetated this motley crew handily.
Well, as argued in different places the biggest difference is probably that the NW initiated this confrontation across the street from a school yard full of children. Presumably the NA would not have done that unless absolutely necessary (and from what I could tell it wasn't). That more than anything else was their mistake.
As for them being overpowered... though I do think they were powerful enough to get the job done (the fault mostly being on Namorita's shoulders for not being able to KO Nitro when she obviously could have), I do think in general there is a notion that the NW are C listers.
The original team with Nova, Justice and Firestar would be a different story. But this smaller much weaker version of the New Warriors probably deserves the label C list, however distasteful it is to lable the dead as such.
kcekada
05-05-2006, 01:44 PM
Well, as argued in different places the biggest difference is probably that the NW initiated this confrontation across the street from a school yard full of children
Eh, schoolchildren are overrated any way.
But seriously, that does make a bit more sense. However, the New Warriors really can't be blamed for knowing that Nitro was suddenly this powerful. I'm not excusing everything the NW did, but on-the-surface this did seem like something they could wrap up quickly.
And again, Nita slammed Nitro head first into a bus, yet moments later he's able to summon more power than he ever did before. He wasn't even dazed?!
Oh well, I can move on from this, but it all seems rather forced.
StoneGold
05-05-2006, 02:08 PM
However, the New Warriors really can't be blamed for knowing that Nitro was suddenly this powerful.
Anybody can be blamed for anything. Again, keep in mind that this is not Captain America wagging his finger at the New Warriors. This is the mainstream media. Remember how during Katrina, the adminstration kept saying over and over that they didn't want to play the blame game, mostly because they were to blame? Well, the Warriors don't have as good PR as the federal government.
Loestal
05-05-2006, 03:52 PM
I completely blame NW for the whole thing. They acted in total desrespect for the situation. And why in the hell would you corner somebody who can BLOW UP right in front of a school where kids are by slamming him into a school bus. They were totally wreckless and do not deserve the label of super hero as far as I'm concerned. Whatever they might of done in the past doesn't make up for their lack of responsiblity for the situation.
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