Tell me about...

[fishtaco]

...some of these X-comics I want to take a look at. Realizing that the last 15 years of X-Men have been, well, bad, I'm just going to buy back issues from the 80's, and even a few things from the 90's.

Tell me something about...

Obnoxio The Clown Vs The X-Men
Beauty and The Beast
Dazzler
Alpha Flight (1st Series)
Fantastic Four Vs X-Men
Avengers Vs X-Men
Iceman (1st Series)
X-Men: The Hidden Years
Wolverine: Jungle Adventure
Captain Britain (1st Series)
Gambit (3rd Series)
Daredevils
X-Men and The Micronauts
Excalibur: Mojo Mayhem
Excalibur: Air Apparent
Black Knight/Exodus
Wolverine: Days of Future Past
X-Factor: Prisoner of Love
X-Men 2099
Wolverine: Killing
Wolverine: Inner Fury
Wolverine: Global Jeapardy
Wolverine: Evilution
Wolverine: Bloody Choices
Wolverine: Bloodlust

Thanks. Anything else I'm forgetting?

[jeangreydp]

I can tell you X-men the Hidden Years rules.

Beauty and the Beast is really weird. You wonder if Beast is so depressed he is hallucinating or if he's just on serious drugs. Its kind of a sad story I guess, but you get a cute panel of Jean feeding Nathan and him spitting it out at her. If that helps at all, haha. (ok, at least i think this is the Beauty & Beast you're talking about)

[Jack Flash]

X-men 2099 rocked all kinds of socks. It got mangled up near the end but it has great characters and a fun story.

[The Lucky One]

I liked Hidden Years, but it's VERY slooooooow in progression; not decompressed, exactly, it's not like a Bendis comic, it's just takes a hell of a long time to get through storylines. Old-school fun, though.

Obnoxio the Clown vs. the X-Men is sorta funny, but certainly nothing you'd be missing a ton by not having. On the other hand, it's pretty cheap, I think. (It also gives Kitty an extra birthday somehow, I think it marks the second 14th birthday she has with the X-Men.)

X-Men vs. the Fantastic Four is absolutely terrific... definitely get that one.

X-Men vs. the Avengers is decent, even if the story could have been told in about half the issues. Still, it's a nice follow-up to UXM #200.

Mojo Mayhem, great, Daredevils, terrific for Alan Moore's Captain Britain work (though you could just get the TPB). The Micronauts mini is noteworthy only for two things- the first and only use of "Spellbinder" as a codename for Dani, and a pre-Onslaught example of Xavier turning evil.

-D

[Hi-Fi]

Fantastic Four Vs X-Men
Avengers Vs X-Men



The first one is great. And it's important to continuity because of Kitty's problem resolution.

The second one is ok, I guess.

[Dizzy D]

Beauty and The Beast: Personally, I didn't like it. It spends a lot of time building up a relationship that is never referenced again, the Gladiators were more interesting in New Mutants and Dazzler is hopelessly out of character.

Dazzler: Fun series.

Alpha Flight (1st Series): Good series under Byrne, then a tremendous drop in quality. Some good spikes here and there, but mostly it drags itself around for the rest.

Fantastic Four Vs X-Men: One of the better mini-series of the 80s.

Avengers Vs X-Men: Not as good FF vs. X-men, but still enjoyable. I like the Russian superheroes.

Wolverine: Jungle Adventure: Good art by Mignola. A decent story, but a typical Wolverine story, so YMMV.

Captain Britain (1st Series): Good luck finding it. From what I've heard it wasn't really good.

Daredevils: Again good luck finding it anywhere. I would love to read most of it, especially the stories pre-Moore.

Excalibur: Mojo Mayhem: Art Adams art is great and it's X-babies before they become horribly played out.

Excalibur: Air Apparent: Not that great, each character had his own mission and short little chapter, but with only about 3-4 pages for each mission it lacks any substance.

Black Knight/Exodus: Should have been better. Storywise it can be summed up in about 3 or 4 sentences and it could have been told in a one-page flashback.

Wolverine: Days of Future Past: Suffers from changing writers (after 1 issue). Nowhere near the quality the original Days of Future Past was.

X-Factor: Prisoner of Love
X-Men 2099: I liked this series. Very unpredictable (apart from the One of these X-men is going to die! bit in the beginning.. Let me guess? It's the one that isn't on all those posters and pin-ups, isn't it?)

[Hi-Fi]

Avengers Vs X-Men: Not as good FF vs. X-men, but still enjoyable. I like the Russian superheroes.



Yeah, the Russian superheroes in the middle of the fight was the best!! Darkstar!!

[Marty4Magik]

Fantastic Four Vs X-Men-AMAZING read!!! Amazing you as a CC fan haven't got it yet!
Avengers Vs X-Men-Great read, must buy.
X-Men: The Hidden Years-I found it too slow, and a bit boring, but that's mostly because of the Original 5....
Gambit (3rd Series)-A surprisingly highly enjoyable series...Loved it. (it's the ongoing right??)
Excalibur: Mojo Mayhem- Same as FF vs X-men...Amazing, and can't believe you haven't read it yet (it gets reprinted in Classic Excalibur vol.2 though)
Excalibur: Air Apparent- Terrible, as all Lobdells Excalibur stuff.
Black Knight/Exodus- Disappointed in this one, was expecting something more spectacular...
Wolverine: Days of Future Past-entertaining read, though it can never get near the original...takes place before the original DoFP.
Wolverine: Evilution-Awfull.
Wolverine: Bloodlust-Very enjoyable read. With amazing Alan Davis art.


Thanks. Anything else I'm forgetting?
Don't know what you've got....

[Beast]

Yeah, the Russian superheroes in the middle of the fight was the best!! Darkstar!!
Shame Morrison killed her. She was a fun character that could have been dusted off post Decimation.

[Faded]

Shame Morrison killed her. She was a fun character that could have been dusted off post Decimation.

I was so angry that Morrison killed her and Risque.

But because she would've been fun, she probably wouldn't have been saved post Decimation anyway. [/excuse my bitterness I just found out Scanner was depowered] :(

I've always wanted to read the Hidden Years and 2099 myself. 2099 at the time seemed so strange and alien to me so I never picked it up.

[Brian M.]

Hidden Years is something I would recommend. Good stuff.

[mattbib]

I've read them all and all are enjoyable on some level, but the ones I'd recommend, because I liked them most, are:

Beauty and The Beast
Dazzler
Alpha Flight (1st Series)
Fantastic Four Vs X-Men
Avengers Vs X-Men
X-Men: The Hidden Years
Wolverine: Jungle Adventure
Captain Britain (1st Series)
Gambit (3rd Series)
Daredevils
Excalibur: Mojo Mayhem
X-Factor: Prisoner of Love
X-Men 2099

And yeah, there are plenty of other X-related one-shots and limited series out there...here's a decent resource (http://www.chronology.net/default.pl/cited).

[Jack Flash]

I really didn't like Hidden Years. It was SO slow and really kind of boring to me. It just felt ret-conny and the art wasn't as spectacular as I expected it to be.

[twilight]

:eek:

I was under the impression that you'd read everything starring the X-Men and had subsequently returned to your far off home world.

[fishtaco]

Beauty and The Beast: Personally, I didn't like it. It spends a lot of time building up a relationship that is never referenced again, the Gladiators were more interesting in New Mutants and Dazzler is hopelessly out of character.Was this by Ann Nocenti?

Alpha Flight (1st Series): Good series under Byrne, then a tremendous drop in quality. Some good spikes here and there, but mostly it drags itself around for the rest.But Mantlo's run was no good? I heard that it starts to get bad after issue 75 when Lobdell comes on.

Daredevils: Again good luck finding it anywhere. I would love to read most of it, especially the stories pre-Moore.There's a tpb at my book store.

Wolverine: Days of Future Past: Suffers from changing writers (after 1 issue). Nowhere near the quality the original Days of Future Past was.It did? I thought John Francis Moore was writing it. Excalibur: Air Apparent- Terrible, as all Lobdells Excalibur stuff.Oh, Lobdell wrote it? Nevermind, then :D :rolleyes: ;) Wolverine: Evilution-Awfull.Oh. Ann Nocenti wrote this, right? Why was it bad?[ And what was Bloodlust about?X-Factor: Prisoner of LoveWhat's this one about?

I forgot about...

Dazzler: The Movie
Weird War III
Wolverine: Rahne of Terra
Wolverine: Killing
Wolverine: Inner Fury
Wolverine: Global Jeopardy
Wolverine: Bloody Choices

Anything else X published in 1963-1991, or something published afterwards that takes place in this time period?

[Hi-Fi]

Wolverine: Rahne of Terra


Terrific book!! You'll love it, it's written by PAD. It stars the New Mutants(Cable, Cannonball, Sunspot, Boom-Boom, Wolfsbane and Rictor) and Logan of course.

[mattbib]

What's this one about?There should be an issue summary at that site I linked to.

[Brian M.]

Was this by Ann Nocenti?

But Mantlo's run was no good? I heard that it starts to get bad after issue 75 when Lobdell comes on.

There's a tpb at my book store.

It did? I thought John Francis Moore was writing it. Oh, Lobdell wrote it? Nevermind, then :D :rolleyes: ;) Oh. Ann Nocenti wrote this, right? Why was it bad?[ And what was Bloodlust about?What's this one about?

I forgot about...

Dazzler: The Movie
Weird War III
Wolverine: Rahne of Terra
Wolverine: Killing
Wolverine: Inner Fury
Wolverine: Global Jeopardy
Wolverine: Bloody Choices

Anything else X published in 1963-1991, or something published afterwards that takes place in this time period?

X-Men 1-19. You have to read these. You may not like Stan's writing but there are so many ideas laid out in this that stories are still feeding off of it.

[The Lucky One]

Rahne of Terror is good... if nothing else, it's one last chance to see Cypher alive, which is worth the price of admission alone. As for Weird War III, I have it but haven't read it yet. It's a little hard to come by, though, you may have to hunt for it, and/or pay top dollar.

-D

[fishtaco]

X-Men 1-19. You have to read these. You may not like Stan's writing but there are so many ideas laid out in this that stories are still feeding off of it.I already have it. Wasn't too impressed...

[DDM]

Ann Nocenti's Beauty & the Beast #1-4 introduces the Gladiators who are later used a major plotline in The New Mutants #29-31 (Empath "sells" Sunspot & Magma to the Gladiators for revenge). Amahl Farouk, the Shadow King, is the real source behind the Gladiators.

Excalibur: Mojo Mahem is about Mojo trying to get the X-Babies back to Mojoworld. These particular X-Babies are created in Uncanny X-Men Annual #12. Arthur Adams provides the artwork. Richochete Rita makes an appearance too.

Fantastic Four vs the X-Men #1-4 is about the X-Men trying to rescue Kitty from phasing out of existence. Dr. Doom & Reed Richards work together to provide the cure. Kitty's permanent phase becomes her normal existence.

Avengers vs the X-Men #1-4 continues Magneto trial which was interrupted by Fenris in Uncanny X-Men #200.

Nothing is memorable about the UK's Captain Britain first series except you might want to pick it up for Captain Britain's first appearance in Captain Britain #1 (1976) & Elizabeth Braddock's first appearance is in Captain Britain #8 (1976). However, I will lead you over to Captain Britain #1-14 (second series) by Jamie Delano & Alan Davis. The story picks up in The New Mutants Annual #2.

X-Men-Micronauts #1-4 is really a sequel to Uncanny X-Men #106 in which the evil Xavier makes his first appearance. The X-Men & Micronauts deal with Xavier's darkside as he destroys a whole micro-galaxy in the limited series.

X-Men: The Hidden Years is a bunch of goodness. I wish John Byrne could have finished telling his stories...

[Anodyne]

(It also gives Kitty an extra birthday somehow, I think it marks the second 14th birthday she has with the X-Men.)
Wasn't that explained in a letters page by saying the second one was a delayed celebration because she'd been in space on her actual birthday?

Of course, Kitty may now need some extra birthdays to catch up. :)

[DDM]

Wasn't that explained in a letters page by saying the second one was a delayed celebration because she'd been in space on her actual birthday?

Of course, Kitty may now need some extra birthdays to catch up. :)

Kitty's birthday took place in the X-Men Special Edition #1 (1983):

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/98273293354.1.GIF

The second new story--by Chris Claremont & Dave Cockrum--takes place after Uncanny X-Men #161-167 when the X-Men return home after they & Binary destroyed Brood World & Xavier had rebuilt mansion & formed the New Mutants...

Yes, you're correct. Kitty's birthday passed while in deep space. That's why Xavier decides to give Kitty a surprise birthday party in X-Men Special #1.

[fishtaco]

Beauty and The Beast: Personally, I didn't like it. It spends a lot of time building up a relationship that is never referenced again, the Gladiators were more interesting in New Mutants and Dazzler is hopelessly out of character.Was this by Ann Nocenti?

Alpha Flight (1st Series): Good series under Byrne, then a tremendous drop in quality. Some good spikes here and there, but mostly it drags itself around for the rest.But Mantlo's run was no good? I heard that it starts to get bad after issue 75 when Lobdell comes on.

Daredevils: Again good luck finding it anywhere. I would love to read most of it, especially the stories pre-Moore.There's a tpb at my book store.

Wolverine: Days of Future Past: Suffers from changing writers (after 1 issue). Nowhere near the quality the original Days of Future Past was.It did? I thought John Francis Moore was writing it. Excalibur: Air Apparent- Terrible, as all Lobdells Excalibur stuff.Oh, Lobdell wrote it? Nevermind, then :D :rolleyes: ;) Wolverine: Evilution-Awfull.Oh. Ann Nocenti wrote this, right? Why was it bad?[ And what was Bloodlust about?X-Factor: Prisoner of LoveWhat's this one about?

I forgot about...

Dazzler: The Movie
Weird War III
Wolverine: Rahne of Terra
Wolverine: Killing
Wolverine: Inner Fury
Wolverine: Global Jeopardy
Wolverine: Bloody Choices

Anything else X published in 1963-1991, or something published afterwards that takes place in this time period?

[DDM]

Was this by Ann Nocenti?

Yes, Beauty & the Beast is Ann Nocenti's earlier writing projects. The Gladiators make their first appearance here, but is followed up in The New Mutants #29-31.

But Mantlo's run was no good? I heard that it starts to get bad after issue 75 when Lobdell comes on

Buy all the John Byrne & Bill Mantlo issues. I'd also recommend Mantlo's Cloak & Dagger #1-4, Cloak & Dagger #1-11(second series), & Strange Tales #1-19 (second series).

[Dizzy D]

But Mantlo's run was no good? I heard that it starts to get bad after issue 75 when Lobdell comes on.

Mantlo gave us such greats as Puck suddenly being a dwarf because he's possessed by a demon and Northstar being a fairy.

It did? I thought John Francis Moore was writing it.

Casey takes over (or at least is credited as co-writer) on issues 2 and 3.

And what was Bloodlust about?

Wolverine meeting magic Yeti's. But it's better than it sounds.

[xakko]

Weird War III was kinda freaky, but mostly OK. it ties into the Cross Time Caper with the Nazi versions of Excalibur.

Wolverine: Global Jeopardy is a load of steaming monkey poo. Endangered steaming monkey poo. I got it for 50 cents and felt I paid too much.

Do you have Excalibur: XX Crossing or the Possession? I liked the former better than the latter...

[fishtaco]

Do you have Excalibur: XX Crossing or the Possession? I liked the former better than the latter...Excalibur: XX Crossing? Excalibur: Possession? No, I haven't head of either of them. Who wrote them, what were they about?

And why was Wolverine: Global Jeopardy bad?

[spoon_jenkins]

Obnoxio The Clown Vs The X-Men - I own. I think I read it, but I can't even remember. Hence, I don't think it was that memorable.

Dazzler - For much of the series, the art (and the story to some extent) have a romance comic feel. I prefer the last few issues that have a more super-hero feel to them. But I think several posters feel the exact opposite.

Alpha Flight (1st Series) - I have the Byrne run (the first 28 issues) and little else, so my comments are just on the Byrne run. Those are worth getting, especially since you should be able to find them for a buck each. The art is weak around the late teens to mid twenties (I think it's the inking), but otherwise Byrne is particularly strong. A lot of the stories are about one or two characters rather than group tales.

Fantastic Four Vs X-Men - Solid Claremont-penned series, but not too action-filled.

Avengers Vs X-Men - More action than FF vs. X-Men, but a weaker series. It sorts of drifts at the end. CC didn't write it. Part of the series is drawn by Silvestri in some of his earliest X-work.

X-Men: The Hidden Years - I dropped this about 7 or 8 issues in. The art is weaker than a lot that Byrne has done. It seems that he was writing it in an old-fashioned golly gee willikers mode and the plot kind of drifts.

Wolverine: Jungle Adventure - Recommended. I think it was the first deluxe Wolverine one-shot. I like the Mike Mignola art in this, and I'm not even a Mignola fan.

X-Men and The Micronauts - I have it, but haven't read it yet. By flipping through it, I can tell you the art ain't great.

X-Men 2099 - I only read an issue or two, but I didn't like it.

[xakko]

Excalibur: XX Crossing? Excalibur: Possession? No, I haven't head of either of them. Who wrote them, what were they about?

And why was Wolverine: Global Jeopardy bad?
Global Jeopardy was in support of the World Wildlife Fund and had a story with Wolverine, Ka-Zar and Namor trying to save an alien from taking endangered species. I've blocked out most of it. The art was awful, the dialogue worse.

XX Crossing is about a villain who uses technological time travel abilities to attempt to kill Excalibur for Dr. Doom, by pitting them against the original X-Men. It was written by Lobdell, but it had some whimsy to it. The art teams were: Lightle/Palmiotti (intro/finale), Ron Lim/Al Gordon (Captain Britain/Cyclops in the American Revolution), Dwayne Turner/Joe Rubenstein (Meggan/Angel in WWII Germany), Joe Madureira/Shawn McManus (Kylun/Iceman in prehistoric times), Jae Lee (Nightcrawler/Beast during the fall of ancient Rome), Malcolm Jones(Shadowcat/Marvel Girl in Arthurian England), Rick Leonardi/Al Williamson (Cerise/Professor X in Days of Future Past)

The Possession was written by Michael Higgins and drawn by Tom Morgan. Meggan gets possessed by the Changeling. It's a story that is supposed to get Kurt and Brian past their difficulties with Meggan. It's just not that interesting to me.

[spoon_jenkins]

XX Crossing is about a villain who uses technological time travel abilities to attempt to kill Excalibur for Dr. Doom, by pitting them against the original X-Men. It was written by Lobdell, but it had some whimsy to it. The art teams were: Lightle/Palmiotti (intro/finale), Ron Lim/Al Gordon (Captain Britain/Cyclops in the American Revolution), Dwayne Turner/Joe Rubenstein (Meggan/Angel in WWII Germany), Joe Madureira/Shawn McManus (Kylun/Iceman in prehistoric times), Jae Lee (Nightcrawler/Beast during the fall of ancient Rome), Malcolm Jones(Shadowcat/Marvel Girl in Arthurian England), Rick Leonardi/Al Williamson (Cerise/Professor X in Days of Future Past)

I really like XX Crossing. Just about every chapter is very well drawn; the Kylun/Iceman chapter is a fave.

Rumor has it that X-Factor: Prisoner of Love was originally supposed to be a Fantastic Four novel and was reworked with the X-Facotr characters instead.

[The Lucky One]

Kitty's birthday took place in the X-Men Special Edition #1 (1983):

The second new story--by Chris Claremont & Dave Cockrum--takes place after Uncanny X-Men #161-167 when the X-Men return home after they & Binary destroyed Brood World & Xavier had rebuilt mansion & formed the New Mutants...

Yes, you're correct. Kitty's birthday passed while in deep space. That's why Xavier decides to give Kitty a surprise birthday party in X-Men Special #1.

She had a birthday early in Excalibur, too... anybody remember which one that was? Because she was 13 when she joined the team, and we know either the Obnoxio birthday or the deep space/make-up party at the mansion would have to be 14. Did she turn 15 in Excalibur? That would make the Obnoxio one officially out-of-continuity.

-D

[The Lucky One]

The Possession was written by Michael Higgins and drawn by Tom Morgan. Meggan gets possessed by the Changeling. It's a story that is supposed to get Kurt and Brian past their difficulties with Meggan. It's just not that interesting to me.

Plus it's later revealed that it wasn't, in fact, the Changeling, but just Merlyn pretending to be him to bring Excalibur closer as a group. Lame.

-D

[Dizzy D]

She had a birthday early in Excalibur, too... anybody remember which one that was? Because she was 13 when she joined the team, and we know either the Obnoxio birthday or the deep space/make-up party at the mansion would have to be 14. Did she turn 15 in Excalibur? That would make the Obnoxio one officially out-of-continuity.

-D

Early Excalibur had her 15th birthday, yes.

[Citizen V]

I would say to do the method i am doing.Buy the late 80`s to shortly after the original Age Of Apocalypse.The early 90`s X-Men were great in my guess,but i did not say Onslaught because it could have been done better and i never really liked Professor X betraying his own dream.

Late 80`s to mid 90`s.

[david r]

Let me chime in, Fishtaco, and also promote the Roy Thomas/Neal Adams issues of early X-Men, #55-66. I feel these stories were the first modern, more sophisticated feel that X-Men would later achieve. I know you may not like the 60s X-Men, but this period is definitely the best. Thomas/Adams created Sauron, Larry Trask, the Living Pharaoh, and had a great Savage Land and Magneto tale.

Alan Davis also wrote and drew a Wolverine one-shot, which was very entertaining. I can't recall the name, however.

I STRONGLY recommend FF vs. the X-Men, John Byrne-era "Alpha Flight", the first two Excalibur one-shots.

X-Men vs. the Micronauts:: I just reread this last year. Art is so-so. but it's a great little story. Most folks here probably don't know the Micronauts, but I'd say this is still a must-get if you want all things Claremont. It's a good read.

X-Men: The Hidden Years: It is a bit slow. I would recommend the first 13 issues. It does have some fun moments. Especially #12, when we see Magneto battle Sauron. After #13, it gets seriously wrapped up in Silver Age continuity and drags. Buy the first 13 issues and see how you like it.

Do you own X-Men: True Friends? Written by Claremont, originally intended as the third Excalibur one-shot? Damn good stuff. Also I'd recommend the two-issue prestige format mini for the Starjammers. Drawn by their creator Dave Cockrum. It came out in 1990, I believe. This is also a fun forgotten gem.

[Stephane Garrelie]

X-Men and The Micronautes is awesome. One of the best X-Men or Micronautes story ever.

X-Men vs FF is very good, I often re-read it wonderfully inked by Terry Austin who makes the art of Bogdanov looks great, and I'm not a fan of Bogdanov!

X-Men vs Avengers is writen By Roger Stern with art by Marc Silvestri. very good. the last issue is drawn by Keith Pollard and Joseph Rubistein.In the only scene where he apears, Longshot have five fingers (sic).

I enjoyed Nocenti's The Beauty and the Beast.

I did read the original Captain Britain series by Claremont and Herb Trimpe. I really enjoyed it. For everybody that loved to see cap in the Claremont/Byrne Marvel Team Up it's a must read.

X-Men: True Friends is great.

[david r]

Fishtaco, other X-work you might have missed:

Chris Claremont wrote the early issues of "Marvel Comics Presents". This is from, either '87 or '88, and is a Wolverine tale. Marvel collected in a trade, the story is called "Save The Tiger". This is a forerunner to the Madripoor-stories from Wolvie's solo series.

Claremont wrote a short Wolverine story in "Marvel Age" Annual #2. It is also a preview of the Wolvie solo series.

"Magik and Storm" solo series--do you have it? Recommended.

The X-Men appear in Claremont/Byrne's final issue of Iron Fist from 1977. It is tied in between UXM #108-109. Actually a really fun read, and you see Chris, John and some other Marvel folks hanging out with the superheroes at the end of the ish.

Chris Claremont wrote a cool X-Men/Spider-Man four-parter in the early days of "Marvel Premiere". First two issues drawn by Michael Golden, the last two issues by Dave Cockrum. The X-Men and Spidey in the Savage Land, I know this one is out in a small tpb. Michael Golden's art is simply gorgeous!!!

[spoon_jenkins]

Fishtaco, other X-work you might have missed:

Chris Claremont wrote the early issues of "Marvel Comics Presents". This is from, either '87 or '88, and is a Wolverine tale. Marvel collected in a trade, the story is called "Save The Tiger". This is a forerunner to the Madripoor-stories from Wolvie's solo series.

Claremont wrote a short Wolverine story in "Marvel Age" Annual #2. It is also a preview of the Wolvie solo series.

"Magik and Storm" solo series--do you have it? Recommended.

The X-Men appear in Claremont/Byrne's final issue of Iron Fist from 1977. It is tied in between UXM #108-109. Actually a really fun read, and you see Chris, John and some other Marvel folks hanging out with the superheroes at the end of the ish.

Chris Claremont wrote a cool X-Men/Spider-Man four-parter in the early days of "Marvel Premiere". First two issues drawn by Michael Golden, the last two issues by Dave Cockrum. The X-Men and Spidey in the Savage Land, I know this one is out in a small tpb. Michael Golden's art is simply gorgeous!!!
I've got to second all these recommendations. The Magik mini-series is one of the better and more significant X-book minis.

The Iron Fist issue could almost be considered a "lost issue" of Claremont/Byrne X-Men.

The MCP Wolverine stories are like issue number -1, -2, etc. of Wolverine's first ongoing series.

Some nitpicking on the last recommendation. The X-Men/Spider-Man four-parter was in Marvel Fanfare, not Marvel Premiere. And the last issue was drawn by Paul Smith, not Cockrum. Also, be aware that Angel is the only X-Man in the two issues starring Spidey. The TPB, originally released in the 1980s was simply titled "The Savage Land." It might be out of print. It's really good stuff.

I'd also recommend Captain America Annual #8. It guest-starred Wolverine with art by Mike Zeck. In an era where characters didn't cross-over like crazy that was a big deal.

[LoneWolf21]

I'll second the reccomenation for Wolverine: Rahne of Terra. Good fun.I remember being dissapointed by it's sequel though.

[The Lucky One]

Early Excalibur had her 15th birthday, yes.

So really, the only way the Obnoxio one-shot works is if...

-The team retroactively celebrated Kitty's 13th birthday from before they met her; or

-Kitty had her actual birthday in space, then a make-up party back at the mansion... and then another make-up party some other time. Because Professor X felt bad Obnoxio couldn't be there for the first make-up, I guess.

Anybody remember what the roster was in the Obnoxio one-shot?

(You wanna talk about being a geek, this is really sad.)

-D

[DDM]

The X-Men appear in Claremont/Byrne's final issue of Iron Fist from 1977. It is tied in between UXM #108-109. Actually a really fun read, and you see Chris, John and some other Marvel folks hanging out with the superheroes at the end of the ish.

I recommend all of Iron Fist #1-15. Jean Grey & Scott Summers make a cameo in Iron Fist #11 when Jean is discharged from the hospital (this occurs after Uncanny X-Men #101). The X-Men appear in Iron Fist #15. Sabretooth makes his first appearance in Iron Fist #14.

Chris Claremont wrote a cool X-Men/Spider-Man four-parter in the early days of "Marvel Premiere". First two issues drawn by Michael Golden, the last two issues by Dave Cockrum. The X-Men and Spidey in the Savage Land, I know this one is out in a small tpb. Michael Golden's art is simply gorgeous!!!

You mean Marvel Fanfare #1-4.

I also recommend Bizarre Adventures #27; the story is a flashback within a flashback which has Jean Grey's origin (her premature telepathy is exposed when she experiences Annie Richardson's death) & her encounter with Attuma (later cited in X-Factor Annual #4 by John Byrne & Walter Simonson, Uncanny X-Men Annual #14 by Chris Claremont & Arthur Adams, & Classic X-Men #3 by Chris Claremont & John Bolton).

[fishtaco]

A lot of the stories are about one or two characters rather than group tales.It's always fun to do that occasionally. Two good examples are the Wilderness Era in Uncanny, and then in 1985-1986 when CC had each X-Man take total spotlight for one issue (except for Colossus and Shadowcat who shared and issue and then Mags and the Prof who also shared one issue.

Avengers Vs X-Men - More action than FF vs. X-Men, but a weaker series. It sorts of drifts at the end. CC didn't write it. Part of the series is drawn by Silvestri in some of his earliest X-work.Silvestri drew it? I'm buying it, then.

X-Men and The Micronauts - I have it, but haven't read it yet. By flipping through it, I can tell you the art ain't great.Who drew it?

David R: I have the first two issues of XTF. I absolutely love it. Incredible stuff. I should be getting the third issue soon. I'm excited for that Essential volume to come out that collects Arnold Drake and Roy Thomas' runs. Thomas's run is... well, essential.

Oh, and I completely forgot about X-Men VS Mephisto. Is this one any good? There's gotta be more mini series from the 80's and early 90's...

[spoon_jenkins]

It's always fun to do that occasionally. Two good examples are the Wilderness Era in Uncanny, and then in 1985-1986 when CC had each X-Man take total spotlight for one issue (except for Colossus and Shadowcat who shared and issue and then Mags and the Prof who also shared one issue.
Spotlight issues can be fun. Alpha Flight took it to another level. I think every single story in #5-11 focused on one of two team members.

Silvestri drew it? I'm buying it, then.
Yup. He drew the first 3 issues of X-Men vs. Avengers

Who drew it?
Jackson "Butch" Guice drew X-Men and the Micronauts and Bob Wiacek inked it. Guice is the guy who drew most of the early (pre-Simonson) X-Factors. So even though his style changed a bit between the two series, that'd should give you an idea.

Oh, and I completely forgot about X-Men VS Mephisto. Is this one any good? There's gotta be more mini series from the 80's and early 90's...
The Mephisto mini focused on a different hero team each issue. So only one issue is Mephisto vs. the X-Men. There are also X-Factor, FF, and Avengers issues. I believe I only have the X-Factor issue. Haven't read it in a while, so I don't remember it too well. The whole series is drawn by John Buscema, so that's a plus for me.

[spoon_jenkins]

Alan Davis also wrote and drew a Wolverine one-shot, which was very entertaining. I can't recall the name, however.

That would be Wolverine: Bloodlust. It was the second Wolverine one-shot of the early 90s after The Jungle Adventure. I'd recommend it as well.

Another one to consider is Wolverine/Nick Fury: The Scorpio Connection by Archie Goodwin and Howard Chaykin from 1989. The high cover price reflects the format more than the content (it's a glossy, HC GN), but if you can find a cheap used copy, it's worth it.

I also think X-Men: Special Edition (which reprints GSX #1) mentioned earlier in the thread is worth getting just for the new framing story if you can find it a good price.

A couple of the big minis haven't been mentioned. You probably have them, but just in case . . .

The original Wolverine mini from circa 1983 is must-buy.

The Kitty Pryde and Wolverine mini is good as well. The Milgrom art isn't fantastic. I'd say the story is solid rather than great, but I think it's important for the X-Men mythos.

[The Lucky One]

The Mephisto mini focused on a different hero team each issue. So only one issue is Mephisto vs. the X-Men. There are also X-Factor, FF, and Avengers issues. I believe I only have the X-Factor issue. Haven't read it in a while, so I don't remember it too well. The whole series is drawn by John Buscema, so that's a plus for me.

It's a pretty heavy-handed parody of the whole comic collecting-for-profit thing. The basic premise is that Mephisto seeks out various hero teams, battles them, and through trickery manages to get the soul of one of them, which he then encases in a "mylar soul sheath." He starts out with the FF, I think, then trades the soul of one of them for an X-Factor member (Jean? Can't remember), then trades that one for an X-Man (Longshot? Rogue? I feel like it was one of them), then trades with the Avengers for his ultimate goal- the soul of a god, namely Thor. I can't really remember it all that well either, I know Mephisto's defeated in the end but I forget how. It was okay, I guess, pretty forgettable.

-D

[fishtaco]

That would be Wolverine: Bloodlust. It was the second Wolverine one-shot of the early 90s after The Jungle Adventure. I'd recommend it as well.I'll get it, then.

Another one to consider is Wolverine/Nick Fury: The Scorpio Connection by Archie Goodwin and Howard Chaykin from 1989. The high cover price reflects the format more than the content (it's a glossy, HC GN), but if you can find a cheap used copy, it's worth it.I like that creative team. What's it about?

The original Wolverine mini from circa 1983 is must-buy.Indeed it is. I have the trade. :)

The Kitty Pryde and Wolverine mini is good as well. The Milgrom art isn't fantastic. I'd say the story is solid rather than great, but I think it's important for the X-Men mythos.I got it. It's a classic.

[spoon_jenkins]

I like that creative team. What's it about?
I'll try to keep the spoilers about the Scorpio Connection minor and early in the book, but for those who want a buffer.

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[fishtaco]

I'll try to keep the spoilers about the Scorpio Connection minor and early in the book, but for those who want a buffer.

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A group of SHIELD agents are killed with the calling card of Scorpio left behind. Wolverine gets involved because one of the dead agents is an old friend. Nick Fury gets involved because the original Scorpio was his brother Jake Fury (and of course 'cause SHIELD folks were killed).Sounds good.

Is New Mutants: Truth or Death any good?

[Zero Hunter]

Alpha Flight (1st Series) - The first 3 years are very good and then it has some good runs here and there up until the end. You can see some of Jim Lees first marvel work in the 70's I belive.

Fantastic Four Vs X-Men - Very good mini.

Iceman (1st Series) - Is sort of interesting but not a must have.

Captain Britain (1st Series)/Daredevils - Just find the Moore trade and then the Davis/Delano trade. That covers all the stuff that you really need. The Delano/Davis series is all in one trade, and almost all of the stuff from it gets used latter on in the Excaliber series so I would say defiently get both trades.

X-Men and The Micronauts - I loved this mini series. The combo of the Micronauts and the X-Men just work great together. And they team up again in issue 37 of Micronauts, well at least Nightcrawler does. (I think everyone should own Micronauts 1-37 so I might be a little biased)

X-Men 2099/X-Nation - I enjoyed both of these books. X-Men had some really good Ron Lim art for pretty much the whole run. Some really cool characters introduced in these pages. Always hoped that some would have ended up in the moderen Marvel U. Haloween Jack did but would have loved to have seen someone like Junkyard make the jump too.

Nightcrawler (1st mini) - Now this was a great mini series. It is about Kurt getting sucked into a world straight out of the "Kittys Fairy Tale" story from Uncanny X-Men 153. Just a lot of fun.

Magik/Storm mini series is also a very good story. Really dark and creepy, and shows you what ahppened to Illyana as she grew up in Limbo at the hands of Belasco.

[Marty4Magik]

Is New Mutants: Truth or Death any good?
Nope, sucked pretty much...

[xakko]

Nope, sucked pretty much...
yeah, sadly.

it was a way to retcon the origin of Illyana's legacy virus.

it was nice to see 'Yana again, but it made me sad that it wasn't a better story.

[DDM]

Sounds good.

Is New Mutants: Truth or Death any good?

Buy Magik #1-4 instead. The New Mutants: Truth or Death just teases the readers of Magik's possible return to life then the rug in pulled out from our expectations as we learn Illyana gets the Legacy Virus from her mad brother. The series wasted some serious trees for such crap.

[FieryBalrog]

Let me chime in, Fishtaco, and also promote the Roy Thomas/Neal Adams issues of early X-Men, #55-66. I feel these stories were the first modern, more sophisticated feel that X-Men would later achieve. I know you may not like the 60s X-Men, but this period is definitely the best. Thomas/Adams created Sauron, Larry Trask, the Living Pharaoh, and had a great Savage Land and Magneto tale.


I'm going to strongly second that recommendation. I remember being pleasantly surprised at how much the series picked up then.

[The Lucky One]

Is New Mutants: Truth or Death any good?

It had its good points. I personally was at the time desperate for any kind of new New Mutants interaction, and it was great seeing the characters together, both old and new versions. The characterization was, for the most part, good. On the other hand, the story itself was not just pointless, but actually impossible from a continuity standpoint. It tries to retcon the idea that Mikhail Rasputin had been infected with the Legacy Virus but teleported it into Magik, believing that her mystical cells would be able to create a cure... but they weren't, causing her to die of Legacy after she was deaged. All well and good, except Magik wasn't actually deaged; instead, the New Mutants snatched her (or an alternate reality version of her, more likely) from Limbo before she had ever become Magik... meaning the whole retcon was pointless. So the story itself is inconsequential, but there are a couple of good points... probably my favorite is adult Rahne trying to console Magik, saying "The future's nae set in stone, muh friends," followed by Magik -- flanked by Cypher and Warlock, each looking both sad and a little pissed -- responding "Sorry Rahne, but I'm afraid for some of us? It really is." If you can get it cheap, it's worth checking out.

-D

[DDM]

Marvel Fanfare #24 (second story)

Carol Danvers (Binary) & Wolverine meet up with Wonder Man, Beast, & Thing at Avengers mansion to play poker. During the time, Carol Danvers learns of the new Captain Marvel II. Thinking she is related to the original Captain Marvel, she jokes about Captain Marvel changing gender. The Avengers inform Carol that Mar-Vell recently died from cancer. Angry--because Carol did not "sense" Mar-Vell's death--she turns into Binary & flies off into space to go to Titan. There, she learns of Mar-Vell's grave site. Carol realizes Rogue has taken everything from her. From this discovery, Binary realizes her life on Earth is over. This story takes place after Uncanny X-Men #171-173.

Marvel Fanfare #40

Storm meets up with Mystique in a club to find the missing Rogue. Mystique's hatred for the the X-Men & Storm is palatible as Claremont plays off the contrasts between the women's characters. As revenge, Mystique fails to tell Storm that she will lose her powers. Destiny prediction comes true as shown in Uncanny X-Men #185 when Storm loses her powers. It's a good character study between Mystique & Storm.

[Marty4Magik]

[B]Marvel Fanfare #40

Storm meets up with Mystique in a club to find the missing Rogue. Mystique's hatred for the the X-Men & Storm is palatible as Claremont plays off the contrasts between the women's characters. As revenge, Mystique fails to tell Storm that she will lose her powers. Destiny prediction comes true as shown in Uncanny X-Men #185 when Storm loses her powers. It's a good character study between Mystique & Storm.

This sounds awfully familliar...I know I've read this....is this reprinted somewhere???

EDIT: nevermind, just remembered; X-men Rarities TPB.

[LoneWolf21]

It had its good points. I personally was at the time desperate for any kind of new New Mutants interaction, and it was great seeing the characters together, both old and new versions. The characterization was, for the most part, good. On the other hand, the story itself was not just pointless, but actually impossible from a continuity standpoint. It tries to retcon the idea that Mikhail Rasputin had been infected with the Legacy Virus but teleported it into Magik, believing that her mystical cells would be able to create a cure... but they weren't, causing her to die of Legacy after she was deaged. All well and good, except Magik wasn't actually deaged; instead, the New Mutants snatched her (or an alternate reality version of her, more likely) from Limbo before she had ever become Magik... meaning the whole retcon was pointless. So the story itself is inconsequential, but there are a couple of good points... probably my favorite is adult Rahne trying to console Magik, saying "The future's nae set in stone, muh friends," followed by Magik -- flanked by Cypher and Warlock, each looking both sad and a little pissed -- responding "Sorry Rahne, but I'm afraid for some of us? It really is." If you can get it cheap, it's worth checking out.

-D


Actually, it outright sys that 'yana is toast, even if you go along with the popular fan theory that Drew just described regarding Inferno.

If she was deaged? She dies of Legacy.

If it was a body swap? Her younger self contracts the virus and dies, while her older self also has the virus, and unless she's managaed to keep the virus at bay for so long (especially when you consider time in limbo flows faster than regular time)....she's dead too, or at the very least if she lived, comes back looking abslutely ancient.

[xakko]

If it was a body swap? Her younger self contracts the virus and dies, while her older self also has the virus, and unless she's managaed to keep the virus at bay for so long (especially when you consider time in limbo flows faster than regular time)....she's dead too, or at the very least if she lived, comes back looking abslutely ancient.
time is relative in Limbo- I thought it could move forwards and backwards.

besides, she had near unlimited power there, so I think she could easily keep it at bay. then again, she couldn't help Kitty when she was stuck in permanent phase.

please- there's an "out" to let her back- don't rain on our parade with your logic!

[LoneWolf21]

time is relative in Limbo- I thought it could move forwards and backwards.

besides, she had near unlimited power there, so I think she could easily keep it at bay. then again, she couldn't help Kitty when she was stuck in permanent phase.

please- there's an "out" to let her back- don't rain on our parade with your logic!

Hey, I'm still bitter about Raab (and to a lesser extent) Louise Simoneson raining on the "out" for Doug to come back (although if I ever get a gig at Marvel that's changing...)

[xakko]

Hey, I'm still bitter about Raab (and to a lesser extent) Louise Simoneson raining on the "out" for Doug to come back (although if I ever get a gig at Marvel that's changing...)
was that Douglock?

'cause we know that Doug was infected with the T-O virus before he died. it was sad to see him in his coffin still.

*sigh*

[LoneWolf21]

was that Douglock?

'cause we know that Doug was infected with the T-O virus before he died. it was sad to see him in his coffin still.

*sigh*

No, Douglock could still have been a TO Doug (although Ellis's "It doesn't matter who I might be, it matters who I AM" take was rather good), until Raab had Kitty suddenly go into paranoia overdrive and decide "I must know who you are!" nevermind that throughout Lobdell and Ellis's runs she never felt she needed to do that. Then we got the dang coffin scene.

Simonsen then just rattled the point home further in the short-lived (albeit enjoyable) Warlock series. He was always warlock. All he has of Doug is some dna and memories.

[DDM]

time is relative in Limbo- I thought it could move forwards and backwards.

besides, she had near unlimited power there, so I think she could easily keep it at bay. then again, she couldn't help Kitty when she was stuck in permanent phase.

please- there's an "out" to let her back- don't rain on our parade with your logic!

With Limbo, time folds upon itself--which means the past, present, & future exist simultanously--that creates infinite possibilities & any permutation of alternate people. Therefore, it is still possible for Magik to return as a demon sorceress & mutant with no Legacy Virus since that was another Illyana Rasputin.

Magik's spells could not help Kitty because she was phased from reality. The spells could not latch onto Kitty...

[fishtaco]

I don't like DC, but was the "Uncanny X-Men and the New Teen Titans" one-shot from 1982 any good?

[The Lucky One]

I don't like DC, but was the "Uncanny X-Men and the New Teen Titans" one-shot from 1982 any good?

Yes. In fact, it's one of the best intercompany crossovers ever done. Written by Claremont, pencilled by Perez; how can you go wrong?

-D

[Uncle Nobs]

READ NOW! No money? Sell a kidney!:

Fantastic Four Vs X-Men
'Nuff said. Just buy it.

X-Men: Heroes for Hope
Jam issue for charity. Every 2-3 pages are by a different creative team, including Richard Corben, Stehpen King, Bernie Wrightson, Harlan Ellison, Frank Miller, Bill Sienkiewicz, John Bolton, Chris Claremont, and tons more! Obviously jam issues barely hold together as a single cohesive story, but each individual episode is great. Early Art Adams cover.

Wolverine/Spider-Man
Jim Owsley (a.k.a. Christopher Priest!!!) puts these two characters in the PERFECT situation to justify a one-shot. Beautiful characterization!

Hulk #345 (?)
I think I have the issue number right. It's the one where Wolvie faces the Hulk while on his way to Dallas to face the Adversary in Fall of the Mutants. Just great characterization and a great fight by Peter David.




Read 'em when you have some extra cash:

Avengers Vs X-Men
Good follow-up to UXM #200. Starts out strong and kinda peters out, but not bad overall. Love the early Silvestri art.

Havok & Wolverine: Meltdown
Love it. Not a seminal piece of X-lore by any means, but a great "buddy movie" with art by Kent Williams & Jon J Muth.

Wolverine: The Jungle Adventure
Mignola art. Simonson story. Kind of a typical Wolvie solo story, but this was when a "typical Wolvie solo story" didn't exist, so it has a fresh energy to it. First hints of Apocalypse's ties to the Weapon X project. Plus, I like the idea of Logan impregnating a giant cavewoman. :D

Marvel Fanfare #40
Great Storm & Mystique story. Claremont laid some of his heaviest hints toward Mytique & Storm's sexuality here.

Excalibur: Mojo Mayhem
Oh come on. It's Art Adams, X-Babies, Mojo, & Kitty. Do you need more info than that? (Although to be honest, this was during a time when Art's art was a bit stale. I know it's sacrilege to say so, but take an honest look. It's still way better than anyone else at the time, but it's sub-par for him.)




The art's almost the only selling point:

Wolverine: Killing
Kent Williams art. Weak story.

Wolverine: Bloodlust
Alan Davis does a surprisingly good job here. The story's not terrible, but the whole "Logan's on the edge and has to gain inner harmony" thing has been before and much more effectively. Hey, it's Logan in the snow. That's always cool.

Wolverine: Inner Fury
Bill Sienkiewicz illustrates a forgettable story. One point of interest, though, is that Logan is stripped of his adamantium in this story a few years before Magneto did it to him. The way he fixes himself is pretty interesting, but I won't spoil it here.




Eh... I guess read 'em if you want, but I wouldn't bother:

X-Men 2099
Two words: Ron Lim. One more word: Fugly.

Wolverine: Rahne of Terra
I hate Andy Kubert's art. Sorry. I know I'm in the minority here. The Peter David script doesn't save it. Basic alternate reality story with no point except for having Wolvie growl and snarl, Kubert-style.




Heard they're good. Haven't read 'em myself. Any more input out there?:

Gambit (3rd Series)
I hear Steve Skroce illustrates cinema-style action sequences, where it's very clear what's happening and every move is well thought out. I've been meaning to pick up his run on this title. Any further reviews out there?

X-Men: True Friends
This looked great to me, but I missed it. Leonardi & Claremont doing a WWII time travel story starring Kitty, Rachel, Logan, Nazis, & the Shadow King? How could it fail?

Wolverine/Nick Fury: The Scorpio Connection
This is another one that always looked substantial to me. This was the first mention of Nick & Logan's friendship/partnership. I've been meaning to give Chaykin a try, and this looked like a good entry point for me. Any more input out there on this one?

[Marty4Magik]

Yes. In fact, it's one of the best intercompany crossovers ever done. Written by Claremont, pencilled by Perez; how can you go wrong?

-D
Heh, good to know, I just won the issue on Ebay! :D

[DDM]

Yes. In fact, it's one of the best intercompany crossovers ever done. Written by Claremont, pencilled by Perez; how can you go wrong?

-D

The X-Men-Teen Titans #1 is penciled by Walter Simonson.

[Brian M.]

Also try reading X-Men: Deadly Genesis and Ultimate X-Men. Good stories. Ultimate X-Men has the kind of long drawn out plots you seem to like. Good stuff and good art.

[fishtaco]

Also try reading X-Men: Deadly Genesis and Ultimate X-Men. Good stories. Ultimate X-Men has the kind of long drawn out plots you seem to like. Good stuff and good art.I hate Deadly Genesis for a multitude of reasons, and as for Ultimate X-Men, I'd rather stay in canon. I don't like the Ultimate concept because of the simplicity. This isn't to say that Ultimate books are bad, but they just aren't my thing. I love the X-Men because of the intense continuity and X-tremely complex plots, and I don't think that the Ultimate X-Men possesses the elements and aspects of X-Men storytelling that appeal to me. Have we even seen Ultimate Shadow King, yet? I also don't like the way Magneto is depicted, as well as Xavier, Jean Grey, Wolverine, Longshot, Psylocke, Forge, and others. X-Men: Heroes for Hope
Jam issue for charity. Every 2-3 pages are by a different creative team, including Richard Corben, Stehpen King, Bernie Wrightson, Harlan Ellison, Frank Miller, Bill Sienkiewicz, John Bolton, Chris Claremont, and tons more! Obviously jam issues barely hold together as a single cohesive story, but each individual episode is great. Early Art Adams cover.Cool! When was this published? Is it a one-shot?Wolverine/Spider-Man
Jim Owsley (a.k.a. Christopher Priest!!!) puts these two characters in the PERFECT situation to justify a one-shot. Beautiful characterization!Is this a one-shot? When was it published?Hulk #345 (?)
I think I have the issue number right. It's the one where Wolvie faces the Hulk while on his way to Dallas to face the Adversary in Fall of the Mutants. Just great characterization and a great fight by Peter David.I see. So it's in between Uncanny X-Men #'s 224-225. Cool. X-Men: True Friends
This looked great to me, but I missed it. Leonardi & Claremont doing a WWII time travel story starring Kitty, Rachel, Logan, Nazis, & the Shadow King? How could it fail?I don't have the third issue, but the first two are beautiful. Genius work on both Claremont and Leonardi's parts. Yes. In fact, it's one of the best intercompany crossovers ever done. Written by Claremont, pencilled by Perez; how can you go wrong?Cool. I shall check it out. Wolverine/Nick Fury: The Scorpio Connection
This is another one that always looked substantial to me. This was the first mention of Nick & Logan's friendship/partnership. I've been meaning to give Chaykin a try, and this looked like a good entry point for me. Any more input out there on this one?Actually, Claremont established that Nick and Logan have some sort of history together in Uncanny X-Men #'s 257-258. CC didn't have the chance to go into this because he left Marvel. However, I think I will go back and re-read those issues, because Claremont's dialogue, while cheezy at times, is rich and filled with subtle hints and foreshadowings.

Thanks for the help. :)

[Joe Rice]

Yes. In fact, it's one of the best intercompany crossovers ever done. Written by Claremont, pencilled by Perez; how can you go wrong?

-D

By having either Claremont or Perez, let alone both of them. Tastes vary, obviously.

[DDM]

Cool! When was this published? Is it a one-shot?
Thanks for the help. :)

X-Men: Heroes for Hope #1 was published in 1985-1986. The X-Men are Magneto, Phoenix II, Shadowcat, Colossus, Rogue, Nightcrawler & Storm:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/98441328112.1.GIF

Although it's out of continuity, I place the story inbetween Uncanny X-Men #203 & Uncanny X-Men #204.

[fishtaco]

X-Men: Heroes for Hope #1 was published in 1985-1986. The X-Men are Magneto, Phoenix II, Shadowcat, Colossus, Rogue, Nightcrawler & Storm:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/98441328112.1.GIF

Although it's out of continuity, I place the story inbetween Uncanny X-Men #203 & Uncanny X-Men #204.That's awesome. I'm going to pick it up.

[spoon_jenkins]

Hulk #345 (?)
I think I have the issue number right. It's the one where Wolvie faces the Hulk while on his way to Dallas to face the Adversary in Fall of the Mutants. Just great characterization and a great fight by Peter David.

The correct issue number is #340. I'll second the recommendation. Also, note that it's McFarlane from his pre-Spider-Man period. Also, X-Factor guest stars in Hulk #336-337. I only have the second ish, which is solid stuff.

And like DDM noted, the X-Men / New Teen Titans crossover was drawn by Walt Simonson, not George Perez.

[Joe Rice]

The correct issue number is #340. I'll second the recommendation. Also, note that it's McFarlane from his pre-Spider-Man period. Also, X-Factor guest stars in Hulk #336-337. I only have the second ish, which is solid stuff.

And like DDM noted, the X-Men / New Teen Titans crossover was drawn by Walt Simonson, not George Perez.

That's less than half as horrifying.

[spoon_jenkins]

When was this published? Is it a one-shot?
Yeah, Spider-Man vs. Wolverine is a one-shot first published in 1987. I think the original printing might be pricy, but it's been reprinted. My edition is from 1990 IIRC. Also, Owsley continues a bit of the plot (with a Wolverine guest appearance) in Web of Spider-Man #29.

And while we're on the subject of Wolverine guest appearances, you might want to check out Wolvie in Daredevil #248-249 by Nocenti/Leonardi.

[The Lucky One]

The X-Men-Teen Titans #1 is penciled by Walter Simonson.

Yeah, you're right... my bad.

By having either Claremont or Perez, let alone both of them. Tastes vary, obviously.

Obviously.

*sigh* May 24th is suuuure gonna be interesting...

-D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Ok I wanna say this. Over at the Marvel Board I have a thread up where I sort of detail the good and bad things concerning the 1990's. People have added more and its been a great discussion. The 1990's weren't all bad.


If you want a TPB that is nothing but super hero fights and a hero questioning if he should become darker to take down a group of rogues then Maximum Carnage is a solid read in TPB form. I've let friends borrow it and they have gave it good marks.


Mark Waid & Ron Garney's run on Captain America (Vol.1) 444-454 is well worth checking out. It has the return of Cap and Sharon Carter!

X-Men had some good spots. Marrow was introduced pretty well and had some great issues and moments against Wolverine where she stabs him in the neck with one of her bones! Also the Joe Kelly/Steven Seagle runs on both X-Books are something to get.

Deadpool by Joe Kelly is one fantastic read. I recommend this series and issues 1-32 . Priest's run is ok...but the Kelly issues are good.


Alpha Flight (vol.2) is another good read . I recommend the Seagle run where he made AF into a conspiracy title about Department H and the AF.



Yes a lot wasn't good in the 1990's. But a lot of us can tell you about some of the good reads there were then. And how it all didn't suck...X-Wise. ;)

[Uncle Nobs]

Actually, Claremont established that Nick and Logan have some sort of history together in Uncanny X-Men #'s 257-258. CC didn't have the chance to go into this because he left Marvel. However, I think I will go back and re-read those issues, because Claremont's dialogue, while cheezy at times, is rich and filled with subtle hints and foreshadowings.
I'm pretty sure Scorpio Connection came out well before those issues. Lemme check...

Yup, CBDB lists Scorpio Connection as 1/1/89 and Uncanny #257 as 1/1/90.

I feel better now that I know I'm not crazy.

[Marty4Magik]

I just received the Savage Land TPB (feat the X-men, Spidey and Ka-zar and Zabu) which I won on Ebay...It's also written by CC, and drawn by various pencillers, Paul Smith among them. * drools*
It looks pretty damn good, haven't read it yet, but it is in continuity.
I couldn't find what the original release was, so I don't know the name of the original series.


Seems to be pretty rare this TPB.........

[Zero Hunter]

Hulk #345 (?)
I think I have the issue number right. It's the one where Wolvie faces the Hulk while on his way to Dallas to face the Adversary in Fall of the Mutants. Just great characterization and a great fight by Peter David.



Best way to get this is the Hulk Visionaries: Peter David. Volume 1 has has the X-Factor 2 parter where the hulk takes on the original X-Factor team and volume 2 has the Wolverine guest spot. Both Peter David Visionaries are well worth getting.

[The Lucky One]

Both Peter David Visionaries are well worth getting.

And volume 3's out in May! Can't wait!
:D

-D

[fishtaco]

Okay, I just got Fantastic Four V.S. The X-Men #1 (for $1.50!!!!), and it rocked. Outstanding issue.

[DDM]

I just received the Savage Land TPB (feat the X-men, Spidey and Ka-zar and Zabu) which I won on Ebay...It's also written by CC, and drawn by various pencillers, Paul Smith among them. * drools*
It looks pretty damn good, haven't read it yet, but it is in continuity.
I couldn't find what the original release was, so I don't know the name of the original series.


Seems to be pretty rare this TPB.........

The Savage Land TPB reprints Marvel Fanfare #1-4 by Chris Claremont, Michael Golden, Dave Cockrum & Paul Smith. Marvel Fanfare #1 is also the first appearance of the Savage Land Mutate, Vertigo who would eventually become one of Mr. Sinister's Marauders.

[Marty4Magik]

The Savage Land TPB reprints Marvel Fanfare #1-4 by Chris Claremont, Michael Golden, Dave Cockrum & Paul Smith. Marvel Fanfare #1 is also the first appearance of the Savage Land Mutate, Vertigo who would eventually become one of Mr. Sinister's Marauders.
Thanks!! :cool:
I find these things important, so I don't accidentally buy the comics already in the trade.

[david r]

Okay, I just got Fantastic Four V.S. The X-Men #1 (for $1.50!!!!), and it rocked. Outstanding issue.

This is a great mini. But I feel it's kinda sad because it's plainly obvious the X-Men can kick the FF's rear-end. :p

[Alex A Sanchez]

Terrific book!! You'll love it, it's written by PAD. It stars the New Mutants(Cable, Cannonball, Sunspot, Boom-Boom, Wolfsbane and Rictor) and Logan of course.

WOW! PAD's first writing of his current X-Factor members, Rictor and Wolfsbane, plus Cannonball (whom he wrote well in X-Factor #87). I soo need to get this.

[Syzygy]

Shame Morrison killed her. She was a fun character that could have been dusted off post Decimation.

Yes, I always thought Darkstar had potential.

Of course, considering the extradimensional nature of the "darkforce dimension", who knows what constitutes death for someone who's tapped right into it? She could return.

Also, I seem to recall that her father is a radioactive super-scientist (The Presence?), so someone as cosmic as that might yet restore her.

Peace,
Syzygy

[zonzorp]

The Presence would just turn her into a radioactive love slave, like he did to Red Guardian Tanya Belinsky. Supposedly there's an issue where he attempts precisely that, without being at all dissuaded by the fact that Lanyia is his daugther.

[mattbib]

Well...he DID more or less "resurrect" Vanguard already.

I'm sure someone could write Darkstar back to life.

In the meantime I'm still pissed nobody thought to have the Presence, or at least Vanguard, come seekeing vengeance for Darkstar's death.

Hell, even Iceman barely batted an eyelash.

[zonzorp]

Well...he DID more or less "resurrect" Vanguard already.

I'm sure someone could write Darkstar back to life.

In the meantime I'm still pissed nobody thought to have the Presence, or at least Vanguard, come seekeing vengeance for Darkstar's death.

I'm annoyed that no one has thought to free Tanya from her degrading subjugation to the Presence's perverted lusts. I hoped Busiek would do it in his final Avengers arc, but instead he had Tanya choose to stay the Presence's love slave.

[The Fury]

Yes, I always thought Darkstar had potential.

Of course, considering the extradimensional nature of the "darkforce dimension", who knows what constitutes death for someone who's tapped right into it? She could return.

You are right, I think that the Darkforce Dimension is a key to bringing her back. It's such a odd place that has never been explained...yet so many people can weild it's "force".

[Kurt Busiek]

I'm annoyed that no one has thought to free Tanya from her degrading subjugation to the Presence's perverted lusts. I hoped Busiek would do it in his final Avengers arc, but instead he had Tanya choose to stay the Presence's love slave.

That was a set-up -- reintroducing the status quo so we could do a bigger story with it later, over in DEFENDERS. Alas, never got to go back to it...

kdb

[zonzorp]

That was a set-up -- reintroducing the status quo so we could do a bigger story with it later, over in DEFENDERS. Alas, never got to go back to it...

kdb
I wish we'd gotten to see that story.

[fishtaco]

Is that story with The Reavers in Punisher (2nd Series) 28-29 any good?

[Dizzy D]

Is that story with The Reavers in Punisher (2nd Series) 28-29 any good?

It's a pretty standard Dixon? Punisher story. Not great, not bad.

[fishtaco]

It's a pretty standard Dixon? Punisher story. Not great, not bad.Oops. I meant the one in Punisher (2nd Series) 33-34. The Reavers are in it.

What is X-Factor: Prisoner of Love about?

[Marty4Magik]

Oops. I meant the one in Punisher (2nd Series) 33-34. The Reavers are in it.
Yes, yes it is. VERY good even.

[fishtaco]

Yes, yes it is. VERY good even.Cool.

Forge and Freedom Force made some appearances in Rom. Should I get those issues?

Also, which issues of Spider-Man had that fight with Juggernaut? It's regarded as a classic story.

[Brian M.]

You should read Marvels. Busiek and Ross are amazing. It only has a little bit of the X-Men in it and it's the Original's but still, great great great story.

[fireball87o]

Yes, I always thought Darkstar had potential.

Of course, considering the extradimensional nature of the "darkforce dimension", who knows what constitutes death for someone who's tapped right into it? She could return.

Also, I seem to recall that her father is a radioactive super-scientist (The Presence?), so someone as cosmic as that might yet restore her.

Peace,
Syzygy

Let's get some from Russia with Love back in the x-comics.

[Zombienorthstar]

You should read Marvels. Busiek and Ross are amazing. It only has a little bit of the X-Men in it and it's the Original's but still, great great great story.


They should do another...set in the modern marvel universe...thatd be nice.

[Dizzy D]

They should do another...set in the modern marvel universe...thatd be nice.

I thought they already planned that. Let's see, either try to summon Busiek or look for it myself. I look on the Marvel board.

Looking had success: MARVELS: EYE OF THE CAMERA is being drawn by Jay Anacleto.