New Excalibur

[Leogam]

would anyone here be interested in a new Excalibur series that included Captain Britain,Meggan(new codename:Sprite),Psylocke(british,purple haired w/original powers of telepathy & precognition),Black Panther,Sabra & Sunfire. of course additions would be added to the series but this would be a international Avengers

[atorifan]

NO. I like the orig Excal, and I like the new one. but i'd like to see some danged continuity. instead of insipid plot devive kill char x and replace with char y. besides i don't like BP, Sabra or Sunfire :p

[The Sword Is Drawn]

would anyone here be interested in a new Excalibur series that included Captain Britain,Meggan(new codename:Sprite),Psylocke(british,purple haired w/original powers of telepathy & precognition),Black Panther,Sabra & Sunfire. of course additions would be added to the series but this would be a international Avengers

Well, not really.

The Panther at least has some vague links to Captain Britain (They were both temporary members of The Knights of Pendragon) but Sunfire? Sabra?

The Avengers is supposed to be a more international group anyway, even though New Avengers is not.

Excalibur is supposed to a British super team. While the current line-up is primarily not, that is their remit - to protect Great Britain.

In the past they were a European Super Team, but that didn't work out so well, in the end.

I'm actually very please with New Excalibur as a team. Sure, I would liuke to see Meggan back eventually, but then I'd love to see Kitty, Kurt and Rachel back, as well, and that's never going to happen.

I'd rather see more British heroes, or Captain Britain affiliates - like the Black Knight - than turning the book into something completely different with no real relevence to its title.

[fishtaco]

No. I like it the way it is.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

...but this would be a international Avengers

Why would turning a British Superteam into an International Avengers, be a good idea?

Why take a well defined concept and turn it into sonmething so utterly alien?

Really no idea where/how this idea entered your head. :confused:

I agree that a more 'International Feel' Avengers would be a good idea. But not at the expense of Excalibur.

[Beast]

No thanks, I like the current version just fine. :)

[Novaya Havoc]

Never again. Publish it overseas, where it belongs.

USA! USA! USA! USA!

Personally, I'd rather read a book occurring somewhere cool. Like India, or Russia or even, like Palau.

[The Fury]

Personally, I'd rather read a book occurring somewhere cool. .
*Beats Novaya to detah with his own arm*

[Novaya Havoc]

*Beats Novaya to detah with his own arm*

Don't... hate... me. :(

*rises from the ashes like... NEX Dazzler*

<lol> I <3 England, but it's been done before. I mean, how cool would a team in Denmark be? Queen Beatrix is an infinitely cooler name than Queen Elizabeth.

... even though I like Queen Elizabeth much more than Beatrix in general. It's just that awesomely awesome X.

[The Fury]

would anyone here be interested in a new Excalibur series that included Captain Britain,Meggan(new codename:Sprite),Psylocke(british,purple haired w/original powers of telepathy & precognition),Black Panther,Sabra & Sunfire. of course additions would be added to the series but this would be a international Avengers
First, i'd keep Excalibur as they were. I personally have suggested the idea of European Avengers on numerous occastions over in the Avenger forum.

But the Avengers are already international, it's just the comics are America obsessed soo most fights occur in the USA (I mean they even named one team 'West Coast', :P)

Your team is good, Although i think cover too many british members. Cap B has problems if he leaves the UK, he's suited for staying in Britain.

Psylocke is okay though. The rest are good as well. But lets say we add..er...Hercules. And maybe one of the celtic gods. And to make it more international a hero from South America and the middle east/south asia.

But this would have to be a seaparate book from New Excalibur.

[The Fury]

<lol> I <3 England, but it's been done before. I mean, how cool would a team in Denmark be? Queen Beatrix is an infinitely cooler name than Queen Elizabeth.

... even though I like Queen Elizabeth much more than Beatrix in general. It's just that awesomely awesome X.
I'm sure that non-english speaking languages think Elizabeth sounds cooler the Beatrix.

But I take your point (this one " but it's been done before." ) and I'll raise you a "Look at america before you say that?"

You are right, but do not say that they need to get out of England when there is another country that they should get out of first.

[Dizzy D]

Don't... hate... me. :(

*rises from the ashes like... NEX Dazzler*

<lol> I <3 England, but it's been done before. I mean, how cool would a team in Denmark be? Queen Beatrix is an infinitely cooler name than Queen Elizabeth.

... even though I like Queen Elizabeth much more than Beatrix in general. It's just that awesomely awesome X.

pst.. Beatrix is the Netherlands, Denmark is Queen Margaretha

[The Sword Is Drawn]

<lol> I <3 England, but it's been done before.

And yet, by that arguament, why bother with most of Marvel's catalogue.

God! Who wants to read another book set in America? :D :rolleyes:

[The Fury]

pst.. Beatrix is the Netherlands, Denmark is Queen Margaretha
I thought that sounded wrong.

but then I couldn;t even tell you if Spain had a King or Queen at the moment.

[Beast]

And yet, by that arguament, why bother with most of Marvel's catalogue.

God! Who wants to read another book set in America? :D :rolleyes:
I know that I'm getting tired of it. That's why I liked when the X-Men teams were seperate and away from the mansion. We need that again. Plus it helped keep continuity from stumbling all over it's self. :)

[Novaya Havoc]

pst.. Beatrix is the Netherlands, Denmark is Queen Margaretha

Um, yeah. The Netherlands. That's what I meant. The country that had Wilhelmina.

Whatever... I don't need to kno bout no other countriez.

USA! USA! USA! USA!

[The Fury]

USA! USA! USA! USA!
*Gets ready to beat Novaya with his arm again*

[Novaya Havoc]

*Gets ready to beat Novaya with his arm again*

Whatever! These colors don't run! :D

[The Fury]

Whatever! These colors don't run! :D
*Stares blanky for a fwe minutes*

Huh? :confused:

[fishtaco]

I know that I'm getting tired of it. That's why I liked when the X-Men teams were seperate and away from the mansion. We need that again. Plus it helped keep continuity from stumbling all over it's self. :)I agree 100%. I want the X-Men away from the mansion. I want the X-Men scattered across the globe operating proactively, too. No more hideout. It's an old and outdated concept.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I agree 100%. I want the X-Men away from the mansion. I want the X-Men scattered across the globe operating proactively, too. No more hideout. It's an old and outdated concept.

I don't mind one team being based in the Mansion, but I'd love to see the others spread out a bit, say:

Astonishing: The Mansion with New X-Men.

Uncanny: At the old Outback Base.

X-Men: In Genosha.

It's much better when they're spread out.

Anf Excalibur aren't even really an X-Team. They never really were. Maybe for a period during the 90s they were a mutants only club, but for the vast majorty of time they weren't.

[Novaya Havoc]

Anf Excalibur aren't even really an X-Team. They never really were. Maybe for a period during the 90s they were a mutants only club, but for the vast majorty of time they weren't.

Excalibur is so totally an X-Book I can't even describe it.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Excalibur is so totally an X-Book I can't even describe it.

Marvel don't even classify it as an X-Book anymore...

It's filed under Marvel Heroes on Marvel.Com and not under the X-Men family.

[Hi-Fi]

Marvel don't even classify it as an X-Book anymore...

It's filed under Marvel Heroes on Marvel.Com and not under the X-Men family.

It's filed under X-Books everytime the solicitations are released...

[Zombienorthstar]

I don't mind one team being based in the Mansion, but I'd love to see the others spread out a bit, say:

Astonishing: The Mansion with New X-Men.

Uncanny: At the old Outback Base.

X-Men: In Genosha.

It's much better when they're spread out.

Anf Excalibur aren't even really an X-Team. They never really were. Maybe for a period during the 90s they were a mutants only club, but for the vast majorty of time they weren't.

They were formed to replace the supposedly dead X-Men so right at the beginning they intended to be like the X-Men at least.

[The Fury]

It's filed under X-Books everytime the solicitations are released...
Where are these Solicits located?

And TSiD is right, they are classed as Marvel heroes at marvel.com

[Hi-Fi]

Where are these Solicits located?

And TSiD is right, they are classed as Marvel heroes at marvel.com


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0604/18/marveljuly.htmhttp://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0604/18/marveljuly.htm

And I didn't say he was wrong. I just said it's an X-Book in every solicitation we get.

[The Fury]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0604/18/marveljuly.htmhttp://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0604/18/marveljuly.htm

And I didn't say he was wrong. I just said it's an X-Book in every solicitation we get.
Shown on a non-marvel website no doubt. It is Marvel who class them and Marvel.com says Marvel Heroes book.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

They were formed to replace the supposedly dead X-Men so right at the beginning they intended to be like the X-Men at least.

Not quite.

They got together because Kitty and Kurt were still recovering on Muir Island, but the X-Men were thought dead. Captain Britain was grieving for the death of his twin sister (Psylocke) and he and Meggan were in the same place at the same time, and found a bit of common ground. Then Rachel turned up, being hunted down by Warwolves in London, and all four others got involved to save her.

Realising they worked okay as a team, and with not a lot else on, Excalibur was formed. :D

It was later revealed that the group had been purposefully brought together to be a force powerful enough to stop the Anti-Phoenix Force, Necrom, from taking control of Earth 616 and beyond.

The book has always run parallel with the X-Books, but very rarely been effected by them. They even escaped inclusion in several of the 90s X-crossovers. Just because it wouldn't have been relevant.

[fishtaco]

They were formed to replace the supposedly dead X-Men so right at the beginning they intended to be like the X-Men at least.No, Excalibur fights for might in the service of right. That encompasses lots more than just Xavier's Dream.

[Hi-Fi]

Shown on a non-marvel website no doubt. It is Marvel who class them and Marvel.com says Marvel Heroes book.

That's right. I forgot that Sage, Peter W., Nocturne, Juggernaut, Warewolfes, Evil X-Men and all the rest are not part of the X-Verse. Those characters are totally unrelated to the X-Books. I can see the reasoning now. Sorry, just 'cause someone put NEX under Marvel Heroes in the site, is does not mean that it's not an X-book. I mean, do you consider Wolverine an X-Book??

[The Sword Is Drawn]

That's right. I forgot that Sage, Peter W., Nocturne, Juggernaut, Warewolfes, Evil X-Men and all the rest are not part of the X-Verse. Those characters are totally unrelated to the X-Books. I can see the reasoning now. Sorry, just 'cause someone put NEX under Marvel Heroes in the site, is does not mean that it's not an X-book. I mean, do you consider Wolverine an X-Book??

Sadly a good number of its characters are not X-Exclusive:

Captain Britain: Marvel Universe.

Dazzler: One time X-woman but had her own solo.

Juggernaut: His ties to Cyttorak have made him very much part of the marvel Universe and not just Xavier's half-brother. Plus he's magically powered and not a mutant.

Nocturne: Formally a member of Exiles, which while technically an X-Book actually deals with the Marvel Universe as a whole much more. Her mother was a version of the Scarlet Witch for flip's sake. Unless this is given MU profile there's no chance of her meeting her mum from this reality.

Yes that leaves Sage and Wisdom, who as far as I know have not appeared outside of the X-Books, but in choosing to place New Excalibur outside of the X-Books Marvel is making it plain in which direction the book is going.

It will be dealing with the United Kingdom and it's role within the Marvel Universe. That's not in a mutants only perspective. It's going to be part of the much bigger picture, rather than an X-offshoot.

[Zombienorthstar]

No, Excalibur fights for might in the service of right. That encompasses lots more than just Xavier's Dream.

True but there formation was a direct consequence of the X-Men demise.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

True but there formation was a direct consequence of the X-Men demise.

And their reformation is a direct consequence of House of M - a Marvel Universe event.

[Hi-Fi]

Sadly a good number of its characters are not X-Exclusive:

Captain Britain: Marvel Universe.

Dazzler: One time X-woman but had her own solo.

Juggernaut: His ties to Cyttorak have made him very much part of the marvel Universe and not just Xavier's half-brother. Plus he's magically powered and not a mutant.

Nocturne: Formally a member of Exiles, which while technically an X-Book actually deals with the Marvel Universe as a whole much more.

Yes that leaves Sage and Wisdom, who as far as I know have not appeared outside of the X-Books, but in choosing to place New Excalibur outside of the X-Books Marvel is making it plain in which direction the book is going.

It will be dealing with the United Kingdom and it's role within the Marvel Universe. That's not in a mutants only perspective. It's going to be part of the much bigger picture, rather than an X-offshoot.

I never mentioned Cap. Britain and Dazzler for the reasons yourself established but saying that Juggernaut and Nocturne are more a part of the Marvel Universe than the X-Books is stretching it...


Plus...Warewolfes, Evil X-Men, Courtney Ross...how is this not x-related???


So I guess we should discuss New Excalibur in the Marvel boards for now on...

[The Fury]

That's right. I forgot that Sage, Peter W., Nocturne, Juggernaut, Warewolfes, Evil X-Men and all the rest are not part of the X-Verse. Those characters are totally unrelated to the X-Books. I can see the reasoning now. Sorry, just 'cause someone put NEX under Marvel Heroes in the site, is does not mean that it's not an X-book. I mean, do you consider Wolverine an X-Book??
Okay you say it's an X-book, I say it's not.

Just becuase it has X-men characters in it does not mean it is a X-book.

If by that calssification, Avenger is an x-book (Wolverine, Magneto).

[The Fury]

I never mentioned Cap. Britain and Dazzler for the reasons yourself established but saying that Juggernaut and Nocturne are more a part of the Marvel Universe than the X-Books is stretching it...


Plus...Warewolfes, Evil X-Men, Courtney Ross...how is this not x-related???

HAHAHA, Courtney Ross, X-men related...nice. Courtney Ross is an Captain Britain character, the woman posing as her, Sat-Yr-9 is an Captain britain Villian. Next you'll be saying The Fury is an X-men villian.

Nocturne is Exiles, like TSiD said, but which dealt with a lot of MU stuff...just alternate MU stuff.

Warewolves hav only ever appeared in Excalibur.

[Hi-Fi]

Okay you say it's an X-book, I say it's not.

Just becuase it has X-men characters in it does not mean it is a X-book.

If by that calssification, Avenger is an x-book (Wolverine, Magneto).


Why isn't this thread in the Marvel boards then?

[Hi-Fi]

HAHAHA, Courtney Ross, X-men related...nice.


Wow, you came out as a jerk with that one.

Ok, Fury, if it's so important for you, then yes, NEX is a Marvel Heroes book. It just deals with x-characters and x-plots. Other than that, It's just like the Avengers.

[The Fury]

Why isn't this thread in the Marvel boards then?
Becuase someone started it here.

Sadly most the time people say Excalibur is X-men and it will nearly always stay that way. Therefore threads will start in here.

Can i ask, what if they move Excalibur to become less X-men and more MU? (Like that thread I started a little while back pointed out).

What if Marvel UK characters joined or Black Knight joined? What is Other non-x-men villians started showing up? Would it still be an x-book? What is every X-men related character left and we had a team with Cap B, and a load of no-mutant characters? what then? IUt is still called Excalibur, but would it be X-men?

[The Fury]

Wow, you came out as a jerk with that one.

Ok, Fury, if it's so important for you, then yes, NEX is a Marvel Heroes book. It just deals with x-characters and x-plots. Other than that, It's just like the Avengers.
Sorry but you just did use Courtney Ross as an example of a X-men character when she is far from it.

Apologies though, I do not intent to come off a jerk. (Sarcasm sometimes gets the best of me).

[Hi-Fi]

What if Marvel UK characters joined or Black Knight joined? What is Other non-x-men villians started showing up? Would it still be an x-book? What is every X-men related character left and we had a team with Cap B, and a load of no-mutant characters? what then? IUt is still called Excalibur, but would it be X-men?

Of course it wouldn't! However, while we have Sage, Evil X-Men, Nocturne and Nightcrawler and the frickin' X-Men appearing as guests it is still an X-Book.

[Zombienorthstar]

Im all for them being seperated from the X-guys...maybe cement that positon by giving them a character who has no connection to X...like Speedball lol.

[mattbib]

Let's be real. It's an X-title.

Even your so-called non-X characters are associated more with the X-Men than they're not. What percentage of recent Dazzler, Capt. Britain, and Nocturne's appearances have NOT been X-related?

Should it be an X-title? That's a different question. But as long as the team's full of mutants and other X-centric characters most people are going to consider it an X-book.

[The Fury]

Let's be real. It's an X-title.

Even your so-called non-X characters are associated more with the X-Men than they're not. What percentage of recent Dazzler, Capt. Britain, and Nocturne's appearances have NOT been X-related?

Should it be an X-title? That's a different question. But as long as the team's full of mutants and other X-centric characters most people are going to consider it an X-book.
Dang you and Logic. :P

[Keith_Martineau]

I agree 100%. I want the X-Men away from the mansion. I want the X-Men scattered across the globe operating proactively, too. No more hideout. It's an old and outdated concept.

That was largely what Morrison did. Well, to an extent anyway.

In my opinion, New Excalibur is ALREADY being positioned as an England Avengers.
Hell, the opening storylines and pacing bear more than a passing resemblance to the way Breakout was set up.

But nobody will ever convince me that Black Panther should be part of an british Avengers team. He's an African hero with ties to America, not Britain.

[Novaya Havoc]

Sadly a good number of its characters are not X-Exclusive:

Captain Britain: Marvel Universe.

Dazzler: One time X-woman but had her own solo.

Juggernaut: His ties to Cyttorak have made him very much part of the marvel Universe and not just Xavier's half-brother. Plus he's magically powered and not a mutant.

Nocturne: Formally a member of Exiles, which while technically an X-Book actually deals with the Marvel Universe as a whole much more. Her mother was a version of the Scarlet Witch for flip's sake. Unless this is given MU profile there's no chance of her meeting her mum from this reality.

Yes that leaves Sage and Wisdom, who as far as I know have not appeared outside of the X-Books, but in choosing to place New Excalibur outside of the X-Books Marvel is making it plain in which direction the book is going.

It will be dealing with the United Kingdom and it's role within the Marvel Universe. That's not in a mutants only perspective. It's going to be part of the much bigger picture, rather than an X-offshoot.

All of those are X-Universe. Dazzler and Captain Britain were originally Marvel Universe properties (Capt being Marvel UK -- something different entirely), but have since been absorbed by the XU blob of doom.

There is nothing "MU" about NEX.

[The Fury]

All of those are X-Universe. Dazzler and Captain Britain were originally Marvel Universe properties (Capt being Marvel UK -- something different entirely), but have since been absorbed by the XU blob of doom.

There is nothing "MU" about NEX.
Every book based in the Marvel Universe is MU. :D

[Jellobay]

Every book based in the Marvel Universe is MU. :D

I think it should be Cap. Britian, Spitfire, Unionjack, "hot knives" boy, and Fing Fang Foom for a little flair. :)

[Beast]

I think it should be Cap. Britian, Spitfire, Unionjack, "hot knives" boy, and Fing Fang Foom for a little flair. :)
It's New Excalibur, not NextWave 2. :p

[Jellobay]

It's New Excalibur, not NextWave 2. :p

Crap wrong thead. :)

[Babylon23]

I'd love to see some British heroes in Excalibur. Union Jack and Spitfire would be ideal fits for the book, as would some of the Marvel UK characters (I'd love to see Dark Angel). Black Knight would be perfect for the book as well, especially with his links to Captain Britain.

However, I think the x-connection is what Marvel is looking for. I doubt we'll see any new members anytime soon.

[Leogam]

when i thought this out i didnt say it should be only a british team, the team would be based in britain but would have international members from different countries, we cant have a super team for every country so i only mentioned the most popular representatives of the countries. If there was a international team based in britain then the avengers would'nt have to travel all the way overseas unless necessary.

[Faded]

New Excalibur, IMO, should be a) international team of X-Men b) based in a 3rd World Society or a much lower key country c) both of the above.

As for the X-Men in different parts of the world, I think the mansion should be the main base but have many in-depth operations in other parts of the world.

[Babylon23]

double post. sorry

[fishtaco]

That was largely what Morrison did. Well, to an extent anyway.That's why I liked his run so much. The idea first came out in Uncanny X-Men #'s 251-272. :)

[david r]

Is the title "Chest Pains" supposed to be a joke??

Why not call Frank Tiere's fill-in issue "Cardiac Stress Conundrum"?? I cannot believe that Marvel is calling Tieri's work on NEX "Chest Pains"!!

[Novaya Havoc]

Is the title "Chest Pains" supposed to be a joke??

Why not call Frank Tiere's fill-in issue "Cardiac Stress Conundrum"?? I cannot believe that Marvel is calling Tieri's work on NEX "Chest Pains"!!

Um. Chamber has a giant hole in his chest. And lost his powers which kept it all together.

CC Zombies: fear not. It is not a jab at your god's ailing condition.

[Beast]

Um. Chamber has a giant hole in his chest. And lost his powers which kept it all together.

CC Zombies: fear not. It is not a jab at your god's ailing condition.
Considering it's Frank Tieri, I wouldn't be so sure. It could just be a freaky coincidence, but who knows. One would think Marvel would at least quirk a brow at the name and suggest a different title. :p

[Novaya Havoc]

Considering it's Frank Tieri, I wouldn't be so sure. It could just be a freaky coincidence, but who knows. One would think Marvel would at least quirk a brow at the name and suggest a different title. :p
This type of conspiracy theory will get you labelled as a Claremont Zombie.

[streator]

This type of conspiracy theory will get you labelled as a Claremont Zombie.
i would have to agree with ben here.

on a different note, i hope that tieri doesn't make the apoc/starsmore connection (from his apoc v. dracula mini) with chamber in this issue.

[xakko]

This type of conspiracy theory will get you labelled as a Claremont Zombie.
labels say more about the labeller than the labelee.

it is, most likely, just a planned title referencing Chamber. but also, for all we know, should CC be resting comfortably, it could even be a bit of a not terribly inside joke between the two- one would assume there has been some contact between Tieri and Bedard and Claremont.

[Beast]

This type of conspiracy theory will get you labelled as a Claremont Zombie.
Someone obsessing over Dazzler (or any character), certainly shouldn't be labeling anyone else a 'Zombie'. :)

[LoneWolf21]

Is the title "Chest Pains" supposed to be a joke??

Why not call Frank Tiere's fill-in issue "Cardiac Stress Conundrum"?? I cannot believe that Marvel is calling Tieri's work on NEX "Chest Pains"!!

As mentioned, I'm rather certain it's called that because Chamber, a mutant who's powers were fueled mainly in his chest, and depowered, has a big gaping wound, is central to the story.

It's not meant to be an attack. Is it a bad coincidence? Yes. Heck, I'm sure the title could even be changed with litle hassle.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

"Chest Pains" huh? Well, much as though I would dearly love to believe that this was related to Chamber, who if he had any powers would be ideal for a member of Excalibur. He has always been a favourite of mine, and I hope that if/when he does return to the ranks of the powered that he would go to Excalibur.

However, I find it more likely that "Chest Pains" is in reference to Dazzler's quirky death and rebirth problem, which she appears to have been sufferening for quite some time...

[The Sword Is Drawn]

New Excalibur, IMO, should be a) international team of X-Men b) based in a 3rd World Society or a much lower key country c) both of the above.

Which would make it Excalibur: Genosha, a series which was axed. And a series which had nothing to do with Great Britain or the Excalibur name.

I actually quite liked the series, and thought it had potential. But the name never fitted, and I don't think thsat anybody ever had the slightest element of doubt that the book wasn't called "Excalibur" for any other reason than Marvel wanting to keep the copyright alive.

It should have been "X-Corps" or similar.

"Excalibur" is a British name, from British folklore, going back well over a thousand years. Yes, Britain really does date back that far - admitedly, Britons were mostly living in mud huts back then, but weren't most people?

You cannot apply it to any old place, or group, generically. It doesn't fit properly into any other context.

If the Marvel Universe has a team in it called "Excalibur" then it has to based in Britain. I don't mind it having members from other points of the globe, if they have links to existing stories or characters, like The Black Knight in vol.2, but they have to be credible. With his former membership of The Knights of Pendragon, at a push, The Black Panther might have a claim, but I'd rather he stayed on the African continent where he is, in many ways, just as important as Captain America to the USA, or Captain Britain to the UK.

Yes, New Excalibur contains three Americans, and one half-american (Nocturne). But they were thrown together by House of M. That was within plot, and should be left that way. Future members of the group should ideally be closer to the UK.

[Wagner Time]

I don't mind international heroes appearing if it's integral to the plot, but what have Sabra and Sunspot got to do with Excalibur?

Nothing?

Then why have them.

Excalibur is, and always has been, a Marvel Universe team, really. It was only a mutants only team under Scott Lobdell who wanted a "European X-Mem". But it didn't really work.

Excalibur was always better when it had characters like Cerise or the Black Knight on board. Neither of which got a long enough stint.

[Pryde&Wisdom]

This is a bit of a quandary for me.

You see the "European X-Men" period was largely where I began reading Excalibur, and certainly by the time that Warren Ellis had taken over it was my favourite period.

But I would, however, prefer to see more non-mutant characters appear. New Excalibur's tone isn't as simple as an extension of Xavier's dream. It never really was, anyway. The vast majority of its past was directly associated with alternative dimensions and timelines - it wasn't ever really specific to mutants until Lobdell took over. Some of his stories were actually pretty good, and this period tied Excalibur firmly back into the X-Titles proper for the first time since it's creation.

The first 60 odd issues it was a super hero title first and and X-book second.

The new series appears to be more about what's happening in the UK, while the rest of the crap in Marvel Comics goes on. More like another perspective on whole brand wide events. It seems to be steering away from simply being an X-Book, just like Exiles is too. The fact Ma5rvel have put it into the Marvel Heroes category of their own website speaks volumes about the future of the book.

[Death's Head 2.0]

would anyone here be interested in a new Excalibur series that included Captain Britain,Meggan(new codename:Sprite),Psylocke(british,purple haired w/original powers of telepathy & precognition),Black Panther,Sabra & Sunfire. of course additions would be added to the series but this would be a international Avengers

What???

How would that make any sense?!? :mad:

Excalibur is a British book. What possible sense would turning it into an International Avengers do?

Aren't the Avengers supposed to be International, anyway?

[Novaya Havoc]

Excalibur is a British book. What possible sense would turning it into an International Avengers do?

Might result in a monthly increase -- rather than decrease -- in sales, for starters.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Might result in a monthly increase -- rather than decrease -- in sales, for starters.

I doubt it.

This book is really beginning to build momentum, now. And it's still outselling X-Factor... :rolleyes:

[Novaya Havoc]

I doubt it.

This book is really beginning to build momentum, now. And it's still outselling X-Factor... :rolleyes:

Really beginning to build momentum according to, uh, whom? Sales figures have steadily decreased.

And...

March:
#44 (X-FACTOR #5) 46,490
#49 (NEW EXCALIBUR #5) 43,523

Compare that to New Avengers and Ultimates, which sold over 121,000 and 94,000, respectively.

Oops.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Really beginning to build momentum according to, uh, whom? Sales figures have steadily decreased.

And...

March:
#44 (X-FACTOR #5) 46,490
#49 (NEW EXCALIBUR #5) 43,523

Compare that to New Avengers and Ultimates, which sold over 121,000 and 94,000, respectively.

Oops.

Well, it's the first month that happened, and that was probably the worst issue so far.

And you really can't compare it next to Marvel's flagship title and it's Ultimate Universe counter-part. Just because you don't happen to like the book, doesn't mean it isn't going to keep on going.

We've been here before. It's waste of time talking around in circles.

I would expect a lift in sales in July with the Chamber issue, and also on the back of the last issue, which was a lot more solid.

[Novaya Havoc]

Well, it's the first month that happened, and that was probably the worst issue so far.

And you really can't compare it next to Marvel's flagship title and it's Ultimate Universe counter-part. Just because you don't happen to like the book, doesn't mean it isn't going to keep on going.

I only did that because y'all were tossing around that it shouldn't be an Avengers-style book. I said if it was it might result in increased sales.

The fact that the two "Avengers" titles are selling so high was used to support that it being a "European Avengers" might wash better with an audience that the "British Lore" angle you hold so near-and-dear to your King George's Crossed heart.

[Beast]

Don't mind Novaya, he has to be petty because she doesn't like how CC writes Dazzler. If she wasn't in the book, he wouldn't even pay attention to it. :p

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Don't mind Novaya, he has to be petty because she doesn't like how CC writes Dazzler. If she wasn't in the book, he wouldn't even pay attention to it. :p

See any thread with the word "Excalibur" in it, for further details... :rolleyes:

I really hope that Claremont resolves all of Dazzler twisted up history, and he has to admit that he might have made things a bit better for the character in the long run...

[The Sword Is Drawn]

The fact that the two "Avengers" titles are selling so high was used to support that it being a "European Avengers" might wash better with an audience that the "British Lore" angle you hold so near-and-dear to your King George's Crossed heart.

Ladies and Gentleman, Dick Van Dyke is on the board!

Mornin' Guvna. Pie and Mash to ya! :D

[Marty4Magik]

However, I find it more likely that "Chest Pains" is in reference to Dazzler's quirky death and rebirth problem, which she appears to have been sufferening for quite some time...

.....and Tieri is writing it?
Heheh. :D

[Leogam]

When I started this thread I meant for Excalibur to be led (Cap. Britain) and based in britain with international members, but this book is to be like the Avengers apart of the Marvel universe & not considered a X book....

[Beast]

When I started this thread I meant for Excalibur to be led (Cap. Britain) and based in britain with international members, but this book is to be like the Avengers apart of the Marvel universe & not considered a X book....
Mr. Horse: "No sir, I wouldn't like it." :)

[Jellobay]

I think it would help this book out a lot if Chamber did die in it.

I know I've said they need to pull the plug before, but I really do think it would give this book a jolt for the lack of a better word and get rid of annoying charater to boot.

You can throw your stones now.

[Faded]

but I really do think it would give this book a jolt for the lack of a better word and get rid of annoying charater to boot.

But Cyclops isn't even in this book. :confused:

;)

[tetragene]

I think it would help this book out a lot if Chamber did die in it.

I know I've said they need to pull the plug before, but I really do think it would give this book a jolt for the lack of a better word and get rid of annoying charater to boot.

You can throw your stones now.

lol, I never found Chamber all that amusing either. Of the Gen X cast Husk, M, and Skin (to a degree) were more enjoyable for me.

and I know some of you will find this hard to believe, but there are readers who actually aren't all that impressed with CC's writing post-early-90's (he was great in the 70s and 80s, but that time has passed--still pretending like he's churning out Dark Phoenix, Mutant Massacre, and Inferno level stories is not being realistic, lol). Uncanny has been almost unbearable for me to get through this past year, so I stopped trying. And I never found X-treme X-Men to be all that glorious. Granted, I don't find NEX horrible--but compared to reads like Young Avengers (my current favorite), Ulimate X-Men (especially Vaugh's run), New Avengers, and Astonishing X-Men...NEX is a bit lacking and has plenty of room for improvement. I think Tieri could definitely help breathe more life into the series and give it more push than what we've seen so far. Him on a few issues won't do any more damage than what's already been done I'm sure.

[Babylon23]

March:
#44 (X-FACTOR #5) 46,490
#49 (NEW EXCALIBUR #5) 43,523


Excalibur is selling at 43,000 a month. That's excellent news. This puts the book well above Marvel's cancellation point. Looks like it should be around for a little while longer, at least. Good to see X-Factor selling well as well.

[zonzorp]

March:
#44 (X-FACTOR #5) 46,490
#49 (NEW EXCALIBUR #5) 43,523

Where did these figures come from?

[Novaya Havoc]

Where did these figures come from?

icv2. Where all sales figures come from.

[Beast]

icv2. Where all sales figures come from.
Which are according to the writers, around 10-15K lower than actual sales numbers.

[Novaya Havoc]

Which are according to the writers, around 10-15K lower than actual sales numbers.

Well, find me another OBJECTIVE source, and I'll concede to you, grandmaster.

[Beast]

Well, find me another OBJECTIVE source, and I'll concede to you, grandmaster.
There isn't one, Marvel doesn't release actual sales numbers. It's just an estimate, and doesn't take into account subscriptions, or non-Diamond sales.

[Novaya Havoc]

There isn't one, Marvel doesn't release actual sales numbers. It's just an estimate, and doesn't take into account subscriptions, or non-Diamond sales.

Oops. Guess we have to use icv2, then.

[Beast]

Oops. Guess we have to use icv2, then.
Indeed. I'm just saying, add roughly 10-15K to all sales numbers when looking at them.

[Novaya Havoc]

Indeed. I'm just saying, add roughly 10-15K to all sales numbers when looking at them.

Still means overall sales drop and selling less than X-Factor, which were the two points I was making.

I don't care about sum sales. I'm interested in percent change, overall trends, and sales comparison to X-Factor (since everyone else feels this is the litmus test to validate NEX's measure of success).

[Beast]

Still means overall sales drop and selling less than X-Factor, which were the two points I was making.

I don't care about sum sales. I'm interested in percent change, overall trends, and sales comparison to X-Factor (since everyone else feels this is the litmus test to validate NEX's measure of success).
I don't see how it's comparable. They're two very different books. Someone who likes noir isn't always going to like a fun adventure book, and vice versa. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Different strokes for different folks, and all that jazz.

[Novaya Havoc]

I don't see how it's comparable. They're two very different books. Someone who likes noir isn't always going to like a fun adventure book, and vice versa. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Different strokes for different folks, and all that jazz.

Well, tell that to the fans of the series who use "It outsells X-Factor!" as a sign of NEX's awesomeness.

[Nyssane]

Can't you two see?

You're obviously smitten for each other.

:)

Benny's stealing my Beastie away from me....:(

Oh, to stay on topic, they should revive Meggan and trade her for Nocturne.

[Beast]

Can't you two see?

You're obviously smitten for each other.

:)

Benny's stealing my Beastie away from me....:(

Oh, to stay on topic, they should revive Meggan and trade her for Nocturne.
I like Nocturne, she's fun. And a classic callback to old Excalibur. Besides, she never would have left Exiles if it wasn't for Chuck Austen, someone may as well use her other than cramming her back into limbo with Dazzler, Captain Britain, and Pete Wisdom.

[Faded]

Can't you two see?

You're obviously smitten for each other.

:)

Benny's stealing my Beastie away from me....:(

Oh, to stay on topic, they should revive Meggan and trade her for Nocturne.

..And move Nocturne to X-Factor, I'd soo be game.

[Beast]

..And move Nocturne to X-Factor, I'd soo be game.
Why? She has no relation to anything going on in X-Factor.

[Faded]

Why? She has no relation to anything going on in X-Factor.

Well, she was one character PAD wanted to use and she has ties to Wanda. I enjoyed her role in Uncanny's HoM issues as a part of the Magneto family, but one that is surrounded by mystery to the big players of that series.

Personally, I'm not enjoying Claremont's rendition of my favorite Exile and would like to see someone else give her a go.

[Babylon23]

Well, she was one character PAD wanted to use and she has ties to Wanda.

Is X-Factor going to deal with the Wanda issue? I've been reading the series, but I haven't heard anything specific about the Scarlet Witch appearing in the book.

[Faded]

Is X-Factor going to deal with the Wanda issue? I've been reading the series, but I haven't heard anything specific about the Scarlet Witch appearing in the book.

I believe so--IIRC it was in the Marvel.com PAD interview that said they were going to make actual steps in finding out a lot about Decimation/House of M. I don't think she's directly going to be involved, but I'm sure TJ has some emotional interest in this. :)

My lineup: Captain Britain, Meggan, Shadowcat, Pete Wisdom, Juggernaut, Sage, Rachel, and Red Lotus sound good to me.

[Babylon23]

I believe so--IIRC it was in the Marvel.com PAD interview that said they were going to make actual steps in finding out a lot about Decimation/House of M. I don't think she's directly going to be involved, but I'm sure TJ has some emotional interest in this. :)

My lineup: Captain Britain, Meggan, Shadowcat, Pete Wisdom, Juggernaut, Sage, Rachel, and Red Lotus sound good to me.

Cool. Thanks for the info. I like the look of your lineup too. I've wanted to see somebody do something with Red Lotus for a while now.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I believe so--IIRC it was in the Marvel.com PAD interview that said they were going to make actual steps in finding out a lot about Decimation/House of M. I don't think she's directly going to be involved, but I'm sure TJ has some emotional interest in this. :)

But, to be fair, similar comments have been made about New Excalibur. This book is going to be dealing with a lot of the looseends of House of M.

True, with the one girl who knew 'everything' about House of M in X-Factor it's possible, but I get the feeling that they are going to be spending more time developing her into a proper character, rather than deal with House of M aftermath.

She is the only solid link with House of M, wheras apart from Sage and Dazzler every other member of New Excalibur was directly involved. With Captain Britain and Nocturne in particular it makes the most sense, in a Marvel Universe context, for them to seek out answers, and try to find Wanda.

X-Factor is pinned into Mutant Town, and is very unlikely to go any further afield than that.

[steve2275]

i like who we have already in it

[The Sword Is Drawn]

i like who we have already in it

You're not the only one. That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see some aditions, but not at the expense of axing current me,bers.

[steve2275]

lets add kurt kitty and pete

[The Sword Is Drawn]

lets add kurt kitty and pete

Would love to see all 3 back, but sadly I don't ever see that happening again. :(

[zonzorp]

I don't believe that either New Excalibur or X-Factor will be permitted to solve the "M-day" mystery. They might be allowed to nibble around the edges, but the solution will be reserved for a book and writer favored by Joe Q.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I don't believe that either New Excalibur or X-Factor will be permitted to solve the "M-day" mystery. They might be allowed to nibble around the edges, but the solution will be reserved for a book and writer favored by Joe Q.

Well, I think it depends. It's the kind of magnitude of story which would usually only be dealt with in either Uncanny X-Men or New Avengers. Those would realistically be the only high profile enough books to come up with any proper conclusion to it all.

But Uncanny, as with all the other Core X-Books, have a very definite new direction starting in the coming months. They will not be touching on House of M directly. Although, as Deadly Genesis was partly created BY House of M Uncanny may touch upon it indirectly.

New Avengers on the otherhand, as with almost every other Marvel Universe book, will be engrossed with Civil War over the next six months. There will not be time or space to deal with House of M falloyut over there, or in any other linked Marvel Universe title. They're just going to be too busy.

Marvel's changing New Excalibur to a Marvel Universe title, from a X-Title, seems to me like a strong indication that this title may get to explore HOuse of M fallout, as Claremont has hinted in the past. It would be an ideal candidate to do this. The vast majority of the team got a lot of page time together in Uncanny during House of M. Captain Britain's direct role within dealing with the anomally created by House of M, Nocturne being an alternative universe daughter of the Scarlet Witch, Pete Wisdom being charged by the British Government to assemble a team to protect the realm in light of DeciMation...

It all adds up, and would make a lot of sense if this was New Excalibur's direction in the coming months. It would be one of the few 'Marvel Universe' titles free to deal with House of M Fallout, with enough links to it to justify it.

[zonzorp]

I hope that you're right and I'm wrong. Investigating HoM/M-Day would be a good direction for NEX.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I hope that you're right and I'm wrong. Investigating HoM/M-Day would be a good direction for NEX.

And keep the book within its original brief/purpose.

[Faded]

I like the look of your lineup too. I've wanted to see somebody do something with Red Lotus for a while now.

Thanks. :) Me too, I was hoping to see more of him after Chasing Hellfire.

But, to be fair, similar comments have been made about New Excalibur. This book is going to be dealing with a lot of the looseends of House of M.

True, with the one girl who knew 'everything' about House of M in X-Factor it's possible, but I get the feeling that they are going to be spending more time developing her into a proper character, rather than deal with House of M aftermath.

She is the only solid link with House of M, wheras apart from Sage and Dazzler every other member of New Excalibur was directly involved. With Captain Britain and Nocturne in particular it makes the most sense, in a Marvel Universe context, for them to seek out answers, and try to find Wanda.

X-Factor is pinned into Mutant Town, and is very unlikely to go any further afield than that.

Oh definitely, I agree she fits in New Excalibur as far as reasons to be there. You also a bring up a good point that she should develop more aside from her alternate relatives connection, which kinda makes me want to rethink my position ;) :D.

But I dislike Claremont's use of Nocturne (though this could be he's only read her other appearances in the form of Austen's take, which is also quite similiar to how he's portrayed her).

I'm also glad the current satellite titles (yes, I still think of this as an X-Book :p) are tackling Decimation since the core titles seem to be moving on from that for the most part.

I think X-Factor and NEX can tackle different aspects of the mysteries of HoM--X-Factor doing the research and investigation and NEX doing the hardcore (physical) searching.

[Stephane Garrelie]

Of course that New Excalibur is an X-book!!!

And when Chris Claremont will come back it will probably be (for some readers amongst wich me at least) the only real x-book about the regular marvel universe, since Exiles is about paralleles dimentions and the limited series about possibles/alternates futurs.

Of course to each his own, I'm not trying to be polemic.

[jawbreaker]

do you think Chamber will be in any titles after #9? or when Chris comes back?

[Beast]

do you think Chamber will be in any titles after #9? or when Chris comes back?
I don't know, I've never seen any real love of CC's twords Chamber. It seems more like Tieri wanting to deal with the dangler of Chamber while he's got the chance. Not too sure how thrilled CC will be with that, but as long as it doesn't mess up any building plots it should be ok. :)

[LoneWolf21]

I don't know, I've never seen any real love of CC's twords Chamber. It seems more like Tieri wanting to deal with the dangler of Chamber while he's got the chance. Not too sure how thrilled CC will be with that, but as long as it doesn't mess up any building plots it should be ok. :)

To be fair, Chris has shown very little love to any member of Gen X, but that seems based more off of unfamiliarity more than anything else.

But hey, if this does allow Jono to eventually stick around as a supporting cat member (be it there or elsewhere), I'm all for it.

[Babylon23]

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Chamber hang around. That would be at least one more british hero added to the mostly American lineup.

[jawbreaker]

the solicit really surprised me... I wasnt expecting it...I mean the only connection Jono would have with this title is that he's from England...it seems kinda a drastic change to have a whole issue about him, though i assume most of the Excal cast will be involved in some way, though i dont know how. We dont really know if Jono will be consious either...Can Nocturne access people's memories when she possesses them?

Would have been nice if theyd put him on the cover, but I guess they didnt want to confuse the Excal fans...

[LoneWolf21]

the solicit really surprised me... I wasnt expecting it...I mean the only connection Jono would have with this title is that he's from England...it seems kinda a drastic change to have a whole issue about him, though i assume most of the Excal cast will be involved in some way, though i dont know how. We dont really know if Jono will be consious either...Can Nocturne access people's memories when she possesses them?

Would have been nice if theyd put him on the cover, but I guess they didnt want to confuse the Excal fans...

Well, one of things Brian and Pete having been saying is that they want to keep an eye on, and protect, Britain and it's people, and Jono IS a brit, and if he's getting sent home, then he would go right into their juristicion, as it were.

[Beast]

Well, one of things Brian and Pete having been saying is that they want to keep an eye on, and protect, Britain and it's people, and Jono IS a brit, and if he's getting sent home, then he would go right into their juristicion, as it were.
Certainly better than where they left him in Generation M.

[LoneWolf21]

Certainly better than where they left him in Generation M.

Oh yeah, that still boggles the mind a bit. The mansion has one of the most sophisticated medical set-ups in the MU, and they drop him off at a hospital? Sheesh!

[Beast]

Oh yeah, that still boggles the mind a bit. The mansion has one of the most sophisticated medical set-ups in the MU, and they drop him off at a hospital? Sheesh!
Well, everyone was out of character in that mess. So no surprise the X-Men were also. :)

[Faded]

Oh yeah, that still boggles the mind a bit. The mansion has one of the most sophisticated medical set-ups in the MU, and they drop him off at a hospital? Sheesh!

As Beast said, a lot of things haven't made sense. Tags. Chamber. Kids sneaked off on buses.

Okay...I'll stop complaining now, Jono might be back. :D

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Certainly better than where they left him in Generation M.

In days gone by Jono would have found his way to Muir Island, closer to home, and with Moira to try and think of a way to save him.

But those days are long gone.

At least if he's back in Britain he is closer to home. And he could be a character whose condition was regularly monitored by Excalibur. He would at least still be remembered, and visible, until the day that he either gets re-powered or carks it! :D

[jawbreaker]

Well, one of things Brian and Pete having been saying is that they want to keep an eye on, and protect, Britain and it's people, and Jono IS a brit, and if he's getting sent home, then he would go right into their juristicion, as it were.

awww...now I want him to join the Excal cast even more...
*sings "ooooh Britannia..."

[The Sword Is Drawn]

awww...now I want him to join the Excal cast even more...
*sings "ooooh Britannia..."

Did you mean "Rule Britannia"? :confused:

[jawbreaker]

Did you mean "Rule Britannia"? :confused:


oh...uh yeah...the national anthem, the one they sing when they wave the union jack...uh...*





*embarrassed

[The Sword Is Drawn]

oh...uh yeah...the national anthem, the one they sing when they wave the union jack...uh...*





*embarrassed

Well Technically the National Anthem is "God Save The Queen", but yeah, I follow you... :D