Is it cruel?

[Davideaux]

Is it cruel to tie a bag of doo-doo around your dog's neck?

We've had this dog since February. She's a small pug-mix. She is housebroken, but for the last 2 weeks she's been pooping in the house. It drives me crazy to come home and see poop on the carpet. She seems to have regressed since we first got her.

I excuse her not being able to hold her pee for 6-7 hours (we got pee pee pads for that contingency) but the crap in the house is unbearable. I don't know how to get her to stop, so yesterday in a fit of rage I took the poop and tied it around her neck and stuffed her in her crate for 45 minutes. I sprayed her with some water and let her simmer. She seemed a little shell-shocked when I released her. (snicker).

I have no idea how to stop this nasty habit. Any ideas?

[Super Samurai]

Wow thats pretty rough. Ever tried one of those dog schools?

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i don't know,but how about letting me tie a bag of your own shit around your neck and you tell me?

[Justin Davis]

I was with you until you showed why you shouldn't own a dog.

Damn, I've gotten frustrated with pets before, but never dd anything like that. To me, it seems like it's time to start looking for another home for the dog rather than any more training.

[Davideaux]

So any comments on how to keep the dog from regressing? I've been coming home early, I take her on 3 walks a day. Dog school is out of the question, since I don't have time or money for that.

[Error_2.0]

stop feeding it so much.

[Super Samurai]

So any comments on how to keep the dog from regressing? I've been coming home early, I take her on 3 walks a day. Dog school is out of the question, since I don't have time or money for that.

Different puppy chow?

[BlairH]

Is it cruel to tie a bag of doo-doo around your dog's neck?
Yes. Yes it is.

[StoneGold]

Only because you're making it so she can't eat it.

[Davideaux]

stop feeding it so much.

I think that might be the next step. Less food in the morning. Heavy up in the evening. Thanks.

[Davideaux]

Only because you're making it so she can't eat it.

Heh, just a few weeks ago she was eating her own poop. But we got rid of that habit.

[darkkeeperjr]

Is it cruel to tie a bag of doo-doo around your dog's neck?

so yesterday in a fit of rage I took the poop and tied it around her neck and stuffed her in her crate for 45 minutes. I sprayed her with some water and let her simmer. She seemed a little shell-shocked when I released her. (snicker).

I have no idea how to stop this nasty habit. Any ideas?



Yes putting poop around a dog's necks then stuffing her in a crate before spraying her with water, can become a nasty habit.


You should get help!!!

[Callie]

Why would you even think that would correct a dog's behavior? That is horribly cruel and will do nothing but make the dog hate you. I think you should find the dog a new, much nicer home.

If you feed a dog, you need to walk him half an hour to an hour after feeding him. Otherwise, yes, the dog will poop in your house.

[Davideaux]

Why would you even think that would correct a dog's behavior? That is horribly cruel and will do nothing but make the dog hate you. I think you should find the dog a new, much nicer home.


Why did I do it? Well, I've read that dog's hate the smell of their own filth. In our case, the little pup would do her business then walk away; aware she'd done something we wouldn't like. By confronting her with her poop, she'd know the consequences of doing something bad.

I've spoken to dog people who say the best thing is to bring the dog to the poop and then reprimand it. I've read that the best way to keep a dog from pooping in the house is to reprimand it the moment it happens. As the crime usually happens before I get home, it's hard to do that. I've tried showing her the poop and then reprimanding her-- didn't work. I've praised her when she poops outside and refrains from pooping inside.

I will try reversing the feeding schedule and walk her after her feeding. We have another dog, who is older and has never had this problem. I'll let you know if this curbs this problem.

Yeah, my 'solution' was perhaps excessive. We''ll see if it works. My doggie has forgiven me already. It won't happen again. I was quite frustrated. The incident in question occurred in the morning around 630 AM. She had just done her business at a time I NORMALLY walk her. The little devil knew I was coming but still let one out.

[Callie]

Think of a dog as a kid. They don't really put two-and-two together very well. If you can't catch them at the time, then reprimanding them later will just confuse them. Instead of, 'oh yeah, maybe I shouldn't have pooped in the living room four hours ago', they'll just wonder why you're tying poop to their neck.

At least dogs are willing to please eventually. If a cat pees outside the litterbox, putting their nose in it does nothing except piss them off.

[Rachel Grey]

How do you stop a canine for defecating in your house? Just one moment. Looks through a dog-meat cook book

[Dennis K]

Is it cruel to tie a bag of doo-doo around your dog's neck?

We've had this dog since February. She's a small pug-mix. She is housebroken, but for the last 2 weeks she's been pooping in the house. It drives me crazy to come home and see poop on the carpet. She seems to have regressed since we first got her.

I excuse her not being able to hold her pee for 6-7 hours (we got pee pee pads for that contingency) but the crap in the house is unbearable. I don't know how to get her to stop, so yesterday in a fit of rage I took the poop and tied it around her neck and stuffed her in her crate for 45 minutes. I sprayed her with some water and let her simmer. She seemed a little shell-shocked when I released her. (snicker).

I have no idea how to stop this nasty habit. Any ideas?


My only idea/thought is that, in this instance, you acted like a complete dick.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

At least dogs are willing to please eventually. If a cat pees outside the litterbox, putting their nose in it does nothing except piss them off.

I did that with mine when it peed under my bed yet again.
Coupled with some yelling and a spank she knew she'd done somthing wrong.

As Cats as well as dogs use pee to mark territories, it knows that it 'owns' that pee.

[tangentman]

I've seen "after the fact" corrections work with dogs. A friend baby-sat her roomie's two dogs while that person was away on vacation. One of the dogs kept shitting in the house. The way the dog kept acting seemed evident to me that he KNEW on some level that he'd fucked up. She would walk the dog to the pile, hold his nose close enough to smell, yell "BAD DOG" and give him two swats on his flanks. The problem pretty much stopped afterwards.

[Tom]

Yes, it's cruel.

[dingo]

A few things you might want to try.

On a weekend put the puppy in one of those cat carry boxes for a few hours (it will not go in there) and then put it outside until it goes, then praise it and give it a treat.

or

Put food (probably dog biscuits) all around the house for a few days. A dog will not crap where it eats. The longer it associates the house with food the better so do it a few days in a row.

or

Lock it in on a weekend or when you are there. When it takes a dump tell it off then and there. Use a deep voice like a "pack leader" would growl. Don't concern yourself with the fact that you are setting it up, dogs don't think like children and they can't necessarily connect a punishment with an action if they happen at different times. As far as they know you just had a bad day at work and are taking it out on them when you get home.

[west3man]

In parallel dimension, this is what you called this thread.So any comments on how to keep the dog from regressing?
I think you'd like that thread a bit more than this one - especially if you left out the shitbaggery.

[TinMan]

I think that might be the next step. Less food in the morning. Heavy up in the evening. Thanks.

Theres your problem right there, you aren't supposed to feed a dog more than once a day. Get some "Small dog" food (Eukanuba, Iams, etc.) and only feed it once a day, there'll be a lot less feces on your carpet.

As for tyin shit around its neck: thats slightly fucked up, but funny as hell... I laughed like mad when I read that. I just wish it was appropriate and possible to punish humans by tying a bag of shit around their neck... :evilsmile

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

I just wish it was appropriate and possible to punish humans by tying a bag of shit around their neck... :evilsmile

Well, cruel or not, you shat on my carpet I think a bag of shit and getting hosed would be the least of your worries.

[Forefinger]

Is it cruel to tie a bag of doo-doo around your dog's neck?

We've had this dog since February. She's a small pug-mix. She is housebroken, but for the last 2 weeks she's been pooping in the house. It drives me crazy to come home and see poop on the carpet. She seems to have regressed since we first got her.

I excuse her not being able to hold her pee for 6-7 hours (we got pee pee pads for that contingency) but the crap in the house is unbearable. I don't know how to get her to stop, so yesterday in a fit of rage I took the poop and tied it around her neck and stuffed her in her crate for 45 minutes. I sprayed her with some water and let her simmer. She seemed a little shell-shocked when I released her. (snicker).

I have no idea how to stop this nasty habit. Any ideas?
My dog occasionally poops on the floor, inside, even though we have had her for over 4 years and has been housetrained for a majority of that time. I don't know what her problem is, but I stick her nose up to it, not in it, and spank her while yelling "no". She learns her lesson, until the next time. She even knows what she did was wrong because she runs and hides from me after she does it. She has a litter box that she used to use all the time, and we let her outside frequently, I don't know why she does that occasionally.

[tricksterpup]

Is it cruel to tie a bag of doo-doo around your dog's neck?
I don't know how to get her to stop, so yesterday in a fit of rage I took the poop and tied it around her neck and stuffed her in her crate for 45 minutes. I sprayed her with some water and let her simmer. She seemed a little shell-shocked when I released her. (snicker).

I have no idea how to stop this nasty habit. Any ideas?
Jeez.. thats kinda cruel, what happens if you have kids and they pee on the toliet seat??

[TinMan]

Jeez.. thats kinda cruel, what happens if you have kids and they pee on the toliet seat??

They gotta clean the piss up w/ the front of their shirt... :p

[Cephus]

Is it cruel to tie a bag of doo-doo around your dog's neck?

Yes, it's very cruel and you should be ashamed of yourself. Would you do that to a child?

What do you expect the dog to do? When you've got to go, you've got to go and if you're not providing a place where it's acceptable and safe to go, then you're the one at fault, not the dog. So you either need to provide a place the dog is allowed to go and train the dog to go in that spot, or you need to make sure the dog is allowed to go out more often. Or you need to give the dog to someone who is capable of caring for it properly.

[Cephus]

Is it cruel to tie a bag of doo-doo around your dog's neck?

Yes, it's very cruel and you should be ashamed of yourself. Would you do that to a child?

What do you expect the dog to do? When you've got to go, you've got to go and if you're not providing a place where it's acceptable and safe to go, then you're the one at fault, not the dog. So you either need to provide a place the dog is allowed to go and train the dog to go in that spot, or you need to make sure the dog is allowed to go out more often. Or you need to give the dog to someone who is capable of caring for it properly.

[dingo]

Yes, it's very cruel and you should be ashamed of yourself. Would you do that to a child?

What do you expect the dog to do? When you've got to go, you've got to go and if you're not providing a place where it's acceptable and safe to go, then you're the one at fault, not the dog. So you either need to provide a place the dog is allowed to go and train the dog to go in that spot, or you need to make sure the dog is allowed to go out more often. Or you need to give the dog to someone who is capable of caring for it properly.


A dog is not a child. You can not train a dog as you would a child.
People need to stop thinking of dogs as children, they are pack animals and as such will mostly respond to you as the pack leader if you act like one.

The rest of your post is spot on though. If you are not going to give the dog somewhere to go then you have to expect it to crap in the house. Eventually you will be able to train it but it will take a long time.

[Harlock]

People need to stop thinking of dogs as children, they are pack animals and as such will mostly respond to you as the pack leader if you act like one.

So, go take a dump outside with Fido and all will be well. Take pictures too. Then tie a bag of crap around your own neck. Pictures of that would be fun as well.

[Cephus]

Oops! Looks like my message got posted twice! Sorry.

A dog is not a child. You can not train a dog as you would a child. People need to stop thinking of dogs as children, they are pack animals and as such will mostly respond to you as the pack leader if you act like one.

No, I didn't say that a dog was a child, but I'm so tired of people who sit around and kick their pets and stuff their faces in things, etc. because they somehow think that it's going to respond to violence and pain. It isn't, any more than a child will. Training needs to be a positive experience, not one that's going to generate fear.

Not saying this is the case here, but there are a lot of people who have no business owning animals because they treat them like a piece of furniture, not a living, breathing, feeling creature.

[dingo]

Oops! Looks like my message got posted twice! Sorry.



No, I didn't say that a dog was a child, but I'm so tired of people who sit around and kick their pets and stuff their faces in things, etc. because they somehow think that it's going to respond to violence and pain. It isn't, any more than a child will. Training needs to be a positive experience, not one that's going to generate fear.

Not saying this is the case here, but there are a lot of people who have no business owning animals because they treat them like a piece of furniture, not a living, breathing, feeling creature.

I never said pain nor did I mean to imply pain.

There are two main ways to train a dog in a manner similar to which a pack leader would behave.

First is the growl equivelent, which has to be a deep gutteral noise, something like yelling "BAH!" at the puppy. If you want pick a word, but always use the same word and make it deep.

Second is the equivelent of a snap. Human jaws are not designed to snap so you need to find something your dog hates. Clapping really loud may work but not on all dogs. What does tend to work is getting a small length of chain that makes a clanging noise and throw it just in front of the feet of the dog (don't hit it, just in front and close enough so the dog is uncomfortable). Dags hate this and will avoid it. If you do the chain thing at the same time as saying the word the two will become connected and you will only need the word.

However you must do this as the dog is doing whatever you want to train it out of. If it is taking washing off the clothes line, it is even best to encourage it to do so and then punish it. No dog is so stupid it wont figure it out and I guaruntee the dog will not even take clothes off the line with encouragement after three or four times.

[Quarterwolf]

Quick Question. Do you know if the accidents might be medical in nature? My dog had that problem as well and it was the onset of Diabeties. So if you have not done so take the dog in and have them run a blood test to make sure the problem is not medical.

After that train the dog better. Make it learn to hold it more and more gradually. Expecting a dog to hold it for 8 hours right off the bat is insane. Were you able to hold it when you were in Kindergarden and you could not just go running to bathroom? Neither should a dog.

So Check the medical angle and then work out a schedule to when you will be there to let the dog out. Once a set schedule is in place the dog will have a better chance of not making a mess in your house.

Though I have to say I am amazed he did not shit on your bed and in your shoes after that whole bag around the neck thing.

[Solaris]

First, do you leave food out for your dog all day? That's an issue. Do timed feeding instead. Put the dogfood out when you get home. Take it back up after an hour or two. Most dogs are fine with one feeding a day. Dogs tend to need to go poo about 30 min. to an hour after eating. Get her on a regular schedule, feeding once at the same time every day, and ONLY at that time.

After she eats, give her a while (30min to an hr) and then take her on a LONG walk. It's very likely she'll go during the walk.

Initially, she may not eat, or eat much, when you start her out on this regimen... but after a few days, she'll get the hang of it and start eating when it's there. It won't hurt her to be a little hungry in the meantime.

Dogs should have constant water, but with an indoor dog, a timed feeding is a blessing.

Second, don't leave her out all day. Crate her when you're gone to work (put her water bowl in the crate). You don't need to give her *tons* of water... maybe a cup or two for during the day. When you let her out, put more water out for her right away.

Part of your routine should be to walk her right before you leave for work, as the last thing, and also walk her not long before you go to bed. When you go to bed, crate her again. Leave her a toy or two in the crate in case she gets bored.

You need to crate her whenever you're not home, and at least for a while (maybe 3 months) at night. Once she's fully on the schedule and your problems have abated, after 3 months or so you can *try* letting her back out at night while you're sleeping, and see how she does.

Also, you need to do some very very thorough cleaning of areas she's gone in... especially if it's carpet or rugs. Dogs will hunt out the same spot to go, and often sniffing it will trigger a "bathroom" response. Check at PetsMart---they've got some carpet cleaner that will remove the scent, but you may need to do several treatments and let it do some soaking too, for carpeting, to get it all out past the *dog's* ability to smell it. You'll need to rent a carpet cleaner for that too (wet cleaner) or purchase one.

Give all this a try, and see how it goes. The things I've told you are what are normally recommended by vets and trainers, for this problem.

PS---if you're doing a lot of "excitement play" (chasing a ball, etc.) indoors, it's a good idea to do it shortly after a walk---it's less likely that the dog will pee out of excitement, if she's recently emptied her bladder.

PS---I know she's a small dog, but for the crating you might want to get her a larger dog crate---the wire-fencing kind, not the plastic kind like they use for cats. Gives her a bit of room in the crate during the daytime. The plastic ones really are only good for transport (i.e. to the vet) for a small dog---NOT for regular crate routine. Our wire crate has a removeable plastic bottom in it for easier cleaning.

[Cephus]

I never said pain nor did I mean to imply pain.

No, I know that you didn't, but there are a lot of people who beat the crap out of their animals when they do something wrong.

I fear for any children these morons might have.

[Thanos_6383]

Is it cruel to tie a bag of doo-doo around your dog's neck?

We've had this dog since February. She's a small pug-mix. She is housebroken, but for the last 2 weeks she's been pooping in the house. It drives me crazy to come home and see poop on the carpet. She seems to have regressed since we first got her.

I excuse her not being able to hold her pee for 6-7 hours (we got pee pee pads for that contingency) but the crap in the house is unbearable. I don't know how to get her to stop, so yesterday in a fit of rage I took the poop and tied it around her neck and stuffed her in her crate for 45 minutes. I sprayed her with some water and let her simmer. She seemed a little shell-shocked when I released her. (snicker).

I have no idea how to stop this nasty habit. Any ideas?

Tell that dog to suck it up and drive on.They poop on public places ,they should pay a small price like that.Besides they run around all day sniffing each other butts.

[Jade69/Legolaslady]

I don't quite get how you understand it can't go all day without peeing but expect it to hold a #2 all day. I'd say either come home on your lunch break and walk it, train it to poop on the pads its ok for it to pee on or get it a dog house and pen and put it outside when you're going to be away for extended periods of time

[tricksterpup]

So, go take a dump outside with Fido and all will be well. Take pictures too. Then tie a bag of crap around your own neck. Pictures of that would be fun as well.
http://www.dogdoo.com/images/Nanook.jpg

[Solaris]

I don't quite get how you understand it can't go all day without peeing but expect it to hold a #2 all day. I'd say either come home on your lunch break and walk it, train it to poop on the pads its ok for it to pee on or get it a dog house and pen and put it outside when you're going to be away for extended periods of time


Unless a dog is sick, it usually doesn't go poop more than once a day---twice, at most. Feeding on a set schedule helps ensure that "need to poop" time comes when you're home and can take a dog on a long walk. And it's not cruel to keep their food away from them except at their daily feeding time. Any vet or trainer will tell you so.

Gotta remember, canines evolved from wolves... and wolves don't eat all day, either. In fact, depending on how much they gorge on a kill, they might go a couple of days between meals, IIRC. But I wouldn't want to do that to a dog. A once per day feeding, with an hour or so to eat the food, *is* normal for a dog, and doesn't hurt 'em a bit.

Crating them all day doesn't hurt 'em either---dogs sleep up to 20 hrs. a day, depending on age, breed, and individual. But if you crate, some active walks during the day (say morning, after work, and late evening) are good---as well as some good playtime in the evenings as well. Very active breeds will need more of this, but any dog should get a minimum of it.

[Forefinger]

http://www.dogdoo.com/images/Nanook.jpg
Thanks. Now my day is complete and I can go to bed.