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Mr.Nobody
04-15-2006, 02:02 PM
The first thing I hear/read about Quesada's "second genie” is it will be Peter Parker's marriage to Mary Jane. But my problem with that is in the past they have written MJ out of Spider-man comics twice only to bring her back both times. Once they had MJ leave Peter, but they brought her back then and before that she was apparently killed off in a plane crash only to return months later. I just don’t get why they would bring her back if Quesada hated them being together so much. I know most people say Quesada doesn’t want to divorce them, but the whole plane crash thing would have worked to get rid of her for good.

My theory is that the "second genie” isn’t about Spider-man marriage, but its does have something to do with him. What if the "second genie” was the return of Norman Osborne. I based this on a rumor about the Clone Saga. The rumor is that the Clone Saga was such an overwhelming failure, that Marvel needed to do something drastic to stop the bleeding. So their way of making things right and putting Peter back into the Spider-man costume was to bring Norman back. The rumor also says many at Marvel were against that idea, but it was deemed necessary by Marvel's then-Editor-in-Chief.

Now this part I stole this from Wikipedia


“Joe Quesada is known for disliking comic book deaths and imposing a moratorium on the resurrection of dead characters at the beginning of his tenure as editor-in-chief. His moratorium prevented writer Chris Claremont from being immediately able to resurrect Psylocke after her death in 2001. However, over time, this moratorium has been relaxed and more characters have been resurrected — Psylocke herself was resurrected in 2005. He has made recent comments[1] disavowing the rumors of a formal restriction on deaths (the "Dead Means Dead" policy), when questioned about the recent returns of long-dead characters Colossus and Psylocke, saying instead that the rule for resurrecting dead characters was to examine the circumstances of that character's death and that such events must be story-necessitated, not simply used for higher sales numbers (i.e., as Psylocke's death was not, in his words, "a classic death," her resurrection was allowed to explore her further. Joss Whedon's return of Colossus, on the other hand, who had a very significant death - to stop the Legacy Virus - was deemed by Quesada to really "nail it," and thus be allowed under the latter reasoning).”

Most people will say that Osborne death was “a classic death” and since his return was before Quesada was made Editor-in-Chief. This could be the "second genie”.

Xanrn
04-15-2006, 04:04 PM
So your saying that the current Norman Osborne is a clone? and/or will be killed off again?

Nick MB
04-15-2006, 05:12 PM
I can't say I'd object to re-killing Norman Osborn, but only if he stayed dead, and I suspect someone would only undo it if it happened. I'm just hoping that the Spider-Man writers resist the temptation to bring back Harry to coincide with him being a major villain in the third movie. If they want to do Harry Osborn stories, they can just use Ultimate.

Mean Mr Mustard
04-16-2006, 11:03 AM
The reason I didn't like Osborne returning was that it would kinda mess up the goblin legacy. Now that he's back though, I love it. His whole keeping the status quo thing and his relationship with Peter is awesome. The Joker would be proud.

'sides, if I dislike something more than bringing up dead characteres... is killing them again!

Mister Mets
04-16-2006, 01:51 PM
I think too many current Spider-Man writers like having Osborn back.

Also, if Queseda really wanted to do this story, I think it would have been done already.

The second genie is more high profile (I hope.)

Jmacq1
04-17-2006, 09:08 AM
I'm pretty sure it won't be Spidey's marriage. Let's be frank: If he thinks comics should be so "wholesome" that Wolverine and Nick Fury can't smoke anymore, you -really- think he's going to have these characters showing the example that "divorce is OK! No really, it's a -good- thing!"?

Dark Soul # 7
04-17-2006, 09:39 AM
I'm pretty sure it won't be Spidey's marriage. Let's be frank: If he thinks comics should be so "wholesome" that Wolverine and Nick Fury can't smoke anymore, you -really- think he's going to have these characters showing the example that "divorce is OK! No really, it's a -good- thing!"?I´ve stopped worrying about it.
Web of Romance showed that Peter more or less sees MJ and NOT Gwen as his great love, HoM be DAMNED!
Marvel is giving out this great little book called Spider-man loves Mary Jane.
The entire marriage is recently getting the best treatment ever in all the main Spider-man books.
These things plus what you said makes a VERY strong case for the marriage being safe.

Mr.Nobody
04-17-2006, 11:44 AM
So your saying that the current Norman Osborne is a clone? and/or will be killed off again?

No I just meant that Norman is the real Norman, but that Marvel might kill him off, because his death was such a "Classic Death" and the only reason he was brought back was because they felt like they had no choice.

Wiendigo
04-17-2006, 12:05 PM
As much as I enjoy Joe, I have a hard time putting stock into some of the things he tells the fans. At Wizard World Chicago 2005 at the Spider-Man panel, I asked him about the marriage and that if Marvel was looking to 'fix' their characters, why not have them get divorced? His reply that it adds too much weight and ages the characters. In the same panel, he also talked about emotionally changing characters (specifically Spider-Man), like letting Aunt May in on the big identity secret, but shying away from physical changes. And, shortly thereafter, Spidey began sprouting stingers out of his wrists.

I realize Marvel's entirely allowed to change their stances of the characters and behaviors and policies, but sometimes the turn-around time is astonishingly fast. And who knows, maybe it's to throw in red-herrings to keep the fans on their toes, but sometimes it feels like back-peddling.

I could completely see Marvel disovling the marriage, but honestly I think it makes more sense to keep them together but with tensions like any actual marriage. To have the marriage disappear now only adds to a long list of unsuccesful superhero marriages, and that's been way over done.