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richjb77
04-13-2006, 06:58 AM
Wizard stated that one of the following four charcters will reveal their secret identity to the world....

Spider-man
Iron Man
Spiderwoman
Daredevil

- half the world still thinks that Iron Man is Tony Stark..this would have no impact

-Nobody really knows who Spiderwoman is and no one would care...in the big picture this would have no impact

-In a interview Miller stated that Daredevil "is aware of the civil war and has a small part in it" again most of the world thinks he is murdock anyway...no impact


So..Spider-man must be the character who unmasks...This is a BIG EVENT THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING..that comic companies always claim...What do you think of Spidey unmasking?

mattspideyrocks!
04-13-2006, 07:03 AM
Unlike so many people around here, if Spidey does unmask, it won't be any concern to me at all. It will either add an interesting twist to things or it will be covered up after Civil War somehow. Either way, I'm looking forward to it. If you ask me anyway, I doubt it will last if it happens. Just my opinion.

Evil-Spidey
04-13-2006, 07:16 AM
i don't like the idea, there is a reason why he has a secret id.people would start to attack mj and may.
spidey is one of the last heroes who has a secret id anyway.

Linguini
04-13-2006, 08:24 AM
Spider-man will not get unmasked, id bet anything on it.
The writers just cannot take the risk of unmasking him and changing spidey forever.

Jmacq1
04-13-2006, 10:00 AM
Yes, yes they can. For all their talk about how much they "like" secret identities and whatnot, Marvel has been deconstructing the concept of the secret identity for the last several years. Spider-Man's really kind of the last bastion of secret-identity-dom at Marvel, at least among A-list characters.

In any case, I would not be at all surprised if "Civil War" is the final nail in the "secret identity's" coffin at Marvel. Cause y'know, Marvel's all about 'realism' and such now. And part of hammering that nail home will be Spider-Man unmasking.

Because let's be honest, if the'yre being honest when they say Spider Man will do something "shocking", the only thing that -would- be mildly shocking is him unmasking and sticking with the Pro-Registration side. Because right now everyone's expecting/assuming that he's going to switch sides and maintain his secret identity, so there's no "shock" involved. Remember the central theme of Spidey, folks: "Power and Responsibility". He may be more pro-registration than even he realizes.

Then again, maybe he'll kill/cripple Iron Man or Captain America instead, that'd be pretty shocking.

riotgear
04-13-2006, 10:17 AM
The following is speculation:

The one who willingly unmasks will be DD, to give impact to what the government is doing to him and his friends.

Foggy is not dead, he is in witness protection.

Spider-Man will be unmasked, but in a betrayal move by Tony Stark. This is the catalyst that causes him to switch sides against Tony. This will also be the move that gets rid of the new costume.

Mean Mr Mustard
04-13-2006, 10:32 AM
I like the concept of Spider-Man unmasking eventually... But doesn't it feel like the start of an age where Spider-Man becomes a mainstream, beloved hero (Inside the MU) more along the lines of Steve and Tony? A newfound respectability and "professional" success.
I always saw him as the middle point between the crazy deranged Defenders and the goody-two-shoes Avengers but this could change everything.

Trusty Mutsi
04-13-2006, 10:57 AM
I think it'll be Spider-woman, because it's safer.

And even if it is Spidey, they'll change it back in a few years somehow.

Sorry if I sound pessemistic, but I've seen so many "Shocking" changes over the years that eventually get changed back.

Hal Jordan.
Jason Todd.
Bucky.


Need I go on?

The Foreigner
04-13-2006, 11:12 AM
Wizard stated that one of the following four charcters will reveal their secret identity to the world....

Spider-man
Iron Man
Spiderwoman
Daredevil

- half the world still thinks that Iron Man is Tony Stark..this would have no impact

-Nobody really knows who Spiderwoman is and no one would care...in the big picture this would have no impact

-In a interview Miller stated that Daredevil "is aware of the civil war and has a small part in it" again most of the world thinks he is murdock anyway...no impact


So..Spider-man must be the character who unmasks...This is a BIG EVENT THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING..that comic companies always claim...What do you think of Spidey unmasking?

Where did Wizard state that the unmasking has a big "impact"? I thought that It's already been revealed in the advanced review of Civil War #1 that Tony reveals their identity.

Shellhead
04-13-2006, 11:15 AM
Where did Wizard state that the unmasking has a big "impact"? I thought that It's already been revealed in the advanced review of Civil War #1 that Tony reveals his identity.

Again? How did the world forget the last time or two that he revealed his identity? Is this some kind of marketing campaign for his company, or has Tony morphed into a complete attention whore? Anyway, it's really not a good idea for Iron Man to have a public ID. In his armor, he is one of the toughest Marvel heroes around. Out of the armor, he is one sniper bullet away from death.

Cthulhudrew
04-13-2006, 12:18 PM
Again? How did the world forget the last time or two that he revealed his identity?

Wanda did it. Evidently.

Is this some kind of marketing campaign for his company, or has Tony morphed into a complete attention whore? Anyway, it's really not a good idea for Iron Man to have a public ID. In his armor, he is one of the toughest Marvel heroes around. Out of the armor, he is one sniper bullet away from death.

Whatever the case, if he does reveal his ID again, it will be reaching the heights of ridiculousness.

Shellhead
04-13-2006, 12:48 PM
Wanda did it. Evidently.



Whatever the case, if he does reveal his ID again, it will be reaching the heights of ridiculousness.

Ah, I keep forgetting that Disassembled is still canon. Yeah, Stark is going to get a bad rep, at least with fans, if he keeps exposing himself like this.

XPac
04-13-2006, 01:35 PM
I think having Spidey unmask would really screw up the character. A big aspect of the Spiderman cartoon is NOT the story of Spiderman but rather the story of Peter Parker. The story of a guy that has girl troubles and can't pay the rent and has a jerk of a boss. So much of that will have to be tossed aside if he's forced to be Spiderman 24/7.

Jake V
04-13-2006, 01:46 PM
It's gonna be Iron Man. He's sort of the leader of the "pro-registration" side, so it would be kind of hypocritical move on his part if he tried to hold on to his secret identity.

Actually registering will be the sticking point for Spider-Man (speculating here) and he'll switch sides when he realizes that he just can't make that step, no matter how much loyalty he feels to Stark.

Haunt
04-13-2006, 02:51 PM
Iron Man unmasks. it's why he's holding the press conference with his various armors floating about. he's going to apologize (again) for decieving the public and basically lead by example since he's pro-registration. duh.

Cthulhudrew
04-13-2006, 03:42 PM
Ah, I keep forgetting that Disassembled is still canon. Yeah, Stark is going to get a bad rep, at least with fans, if he keeps exposing himself like this.

Heh, you said "exposing himself." Heh.

Seriously, though, it just seems like way too much flip-flopping on the editorial side to allow him to go back and forth like this so often. Did Senator Kerry get a job with Marvel? :p

MakeshiftHero
04-13-2006, 04:04 PM
It would make sense for IM to unmask but it wouldnt be a huge difference since he's done it multiple times. But i think it would make for some more interesting stories if Spider-Man unmasks cause I always thought it would be cool to see him swinging around in everyday clothes and fighting bad guys out of costume and who knows what would happen to Peter's job teaching at the school and there would no doubt be a good exchange of words with Peter and Jameson.

Shellhead
04-13-2006, 04:07 PM
It would make sense for IM to unmask but it wouldnt be a huge difference since he's done it multiple times. But i think it would make for some more interesting stories if Spider-Man unmasks cause I always thought it would be cool to see him swinging around in everyday clothes and fighting bad guys out of costume and who knows what would happen to Peter's job teaching at the school and there would no doubt be a good exchange of words with Peter and Jameson.

I'm sure Spider-man's many enemies will appreciate discovering that his wife is a famous super-model.

richjb77
04-13-2006, 07:41 PM
Where did Wizard state that the unmasking has a big "impact"? I thought that It's already been revealed in the advanced review of Civil War #1 that Tony reveals their identity.


Nope according to the article, and they conferenced with writer Mike Millar..A character WILLINGLY reveals their identity to the world....nothing to do with Tony Stark..

As for changing the world...they didn't say that exactly but anyone who reads comics always hears the generic hype machine lines like " This will change the character forever" or " nothing will ever be the same" or " all the books will have a new status quo"..blah blah blah...

I have read about how this reveal will be major...and out of the 4 choices given by Millar... only Spidey is major...The world already thinks Daredevil and Ironman are MAtt and Tony...been there done that....

and nobody would care at Spiderwoman...she has no relatives...she is an ex shield agent...who really would care...

only Spidey is a great story....we know his relatives...we would care...and pay money to see what happens...

Unlike other heroes Spidey has a family...the entire Fantastic Four can kick ass...including the kids...Most of the Avengers are dating heroes and all there friends and family can take care of themselves...X-men?? you know that already...

Spidey not only has a famous wife as a target and an elderly aunt..he has pissed off just about every villian in the marvel universe.....But Spidey should be more concerened about Silvermane, Kingpin, Hammerhead and the rest of the mob bosses he has pissed on...Those people don't play...

MJ and Aunt May better get used to shopping online...

richjb77
04-13-2006, 07:46 PM
Iron Man unmasks. it's why he's holding the press conference with his various armors floating about. he's going to apologize (again) for decieving the public and basically lead by example since he's pro-registration. duh.


Duh!! please

Marvel would be crapping out by doing Iron Man...That wouldn't have an impact..for awhile the world already knew that Tony was Iron Man...then he convinced them that he has "hired" someone else to take the suit...

so here comes Civil War and surprise....Tony is Iron Man...come on...that would be crappy and everyone knows it...that is like having Daredevil say he is Matt Murdock...who cares?! we have already seen the stories about that...

besides it is said that the reveal with change the characters life...how in the world would Iron Man be any different if the public knows , FOR THE SECOND TIME , that Iron Man is Tony Starks...I read Iron Man...his stocks went up last time he revealed himself...what is he gonna go broke or something? Only Parker makes sense...

IamtheRock3
04-14-2006, 12:59 AM
All I know is Mary Jane runs the risk of getting the Sue Digby treatment if Spidey Unmask

Wish that was just a poor taste Joke..but actully imagine that happening.

Kevinroc
04-14-2006, 01:20 AM
I'm starting to think it might be Daredevil. The other Daredevil running around Hell's Kitchen while Matt is in prison.

PaxHouse
04-14-2006, 09:53 AM
All I know is Mary Jane runs the risk of getting the Sue Digby treatment if Spidey Unmask

Wish that was just a poor taste Joke..but actully imagine that happening.


Good Point.....!! :eek: :evilangry

In fact, both her & Aunt May might just as well be wearing dresses with targets on both their fronts and backs..... :mad:

IamtheRock3
04-14-2006, 10:07 AM
Tell you one thing...you wont see Spidey crying over mindwipe

Heck if he may put the guy in a coma or worst if he see someone doing what Dr light did and he probally wont get much junk about it from other heroes..Least nothing at the level the Power Pact got in DC.

Evil-Spidey
04-14-2006, 10:10 AM
spidey without supporting cast?

can't wait for a stupid explantion how he get his secret id back.

IamtheRock3
04-14-2006, 10:12 AM
Oh Scarlet Witch would fix that.

MakeshiftHero
04-14-2006, 11:49 AM
so if it is spiderman that unmasks himself i'm going to guess that if thats the case something bad will happen to him in the rest of the issues and then he would blame tony for it (gets in a fight with him?) and thats how he gets rid of his new suit and severs his friendship with tony? maybe?

Mr.Nobody
04-14-2006, 12:33 PM
I think its going to be this new Daredevil. That way Matt can kind of clear his name.

juggalotus
04-14-2006, 03:31 PM
This is hard to tell, it would appear Tony is going to buckle anyway, and what he'll make spidey reveal his identity but not do it himself? I say if spidey gets unmasks ironman will have to do it first in which case it will be spidey and tony. As far as spidey doing something drastic....aunt may or mjs life will somehow be threatened because of this by a villian and spidey will kill to stop it.....oooh the possibilities.

Cthulhudrew
04-14-2006, 04:49 PM
This is hard to tell, it would appear Tony is going to buckle anyway, and what he'll make spidey reveal his identity but not do it himself? I say if spidey gets unmasks ironman will have to do it first in which case it will be spidey and tony.

It would be funny if the two unmasked at the same time, and the audience goes "Oh my god! Peter Parker! And... some other guy." Then Peter looks over at Tony, only to see that Tony was using an image inducer to disguise his real identity. :D

Mean Mr Mustard
04-14-2006, 05:19 PM
Yeah, drunks love practical jokes.

jam37wcc
04-14-2006, 06:02 PM
I would love for it to be Spider-Man. We've seen him with his secret identity for 40+ years now, its time for a change. Also most of his bad guys know who he is anyway, and with this new edge because of "The Other," I could totally see him go lethal on someone attacking May or MJ.

I also wouldn't mind if later on he got his secret identity back somehow.

GRANDPA
04-14-2006, 06:45 PM
spidey unmasking would make for some great story lines...hope it happens

richjb77
04-14-2006, 09:40 PM
Tell you one thing...you wont see Spidey crying over mindwipe

Heck if he may put the guy in a coma or worst if he see someone doing what Dr light did and he probally wont get much junk about it from other heroes..Least nothing at the level the Power Pact got in DC.


Doesn't matter in Marvel...Hell..Dr. Strange helped erase the existence of the Sentry from EVERYONES mind...nobody cared...He could do it again for Spidey...I suppose

Tora No Shi
04-14-2006, 10:05 PM
Spider-Man unmasking would have the greatest impact.

StoneGold
04-14-2006, 10:11 PM
Doesn't matter in Marvel...Hell..Dr. Strange helped erase the existence of the Sentry from EVERYONES mind...nobody cared...He could do it again for Spidey...I suppose
Captain America's done it, albeit against his wishes. Iron Man has done it. Heck, in The Inevitable, Tony is trying to reprogram Living Laser right now. I don't think we can even count the number of times Xavier's done it.

richjb77
04-14-2006, 11:55 PM
Captain America's done it, albeit against his wishes. Iron Man has done it. Heck, in The Inevitable, Tony is trying to reprogram Living Laser right now. I don't think we can even count the number of times Xavier's done it.


Ironically Xavier did it to Spider-man during the secret wars...

richjb77
04-14-2006, 11:59 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/life/2006-04-13-coming-attractions_x.htm


This link pretty much says that Spidey is going to unmask..check it out

phantom1592
04-15-2006, 04:31 AM
Here's a theory, Iron Spider unmasks. That suit hasn't been around very long, Only about as long as Peter has been "working" with Tony Stark. Also the fact that it turns invisible would make me VERY nervous if Tony becomes pro reveal. Who knows if he has a remote control somewhere :D

Iron Spider is revealed as Peter Parker, and Classic SPiderman goes over to the the "other" side and fights the bill. It wouldn't take too much to convince people that they were two characters, and all the preview posters show Spiderman/Iron Spider split down the middle of the war.

BizarroBeachHead
04-15-2006, 06:35 AM
Duh!! please

Marvel would be crapping out by doing Iron Man...That wouldn't have an impact..for awhile the world already knew that Tony was Iron Man...then he convinced them that he has "hired" someone else to take the suit...

so here comes Civil War and surprise....Tony is Iron Man...come on...that would be crappy and everyone knows it...that is like having Daredevil say he is Matt Murdock...who cares?! we have already seen the stories about that...

Right, because Marvel has never crapped out on anything they did.... :rolleyes:

Here's a theory, Iron Spider unmasks. That suit hasn't been around very long, Only about as long as Peter has been "working" with Tony Stark. Also the fact that it turns invisible would make me VERY nervous if Tony becomes pro reveal. Who knows if he has a remote control somewhere

Interesting theory, but I just don't see Tony 'betraying' Spider-man and outing him without his consent. I mean, c'mon, if Tony did that, just about everybody in the Marvel U would have to kick his ass.

While I don't think it'll happen, I can see Pete outting himself, but a lot of things would have to change. I think it would cement his Avenger status for quite a while, seeing as how MJ and May would be forced to live in the tower for their own safety. Plus, it's not like Pete's going to have a job, he'd have to be a celebrity and make money from doing comercials and PSA's. He'd end up being a total sell out. And that, to me, is to far removed from his character. As somebody said above, one of the main selling points of Spider-man is reading about Peter Parker: the everyman. Outting Spider-man would remove him as far from the 'everyman' status as he could be. It would be a completely different book. Unfortunately, given the current trends, I can't say it won't happen.

CMBMOOL
04-15-2006, 08:31 AM
Here's a theory, Iron Spider unmasks. That suit hasn't been around very long, Only about as long as Peter has been "working" with Tony Stark. Also the fact that it turns invisible would make me VERY nervous if Tony becomes pro reveal. Who knows if he has a remote control somewhere :D

Iron Spider is revealed as Peter Parker, and Classic SPiderman goes over to the the "other" side and fights the bill. It wouldn't take too much to convince people that they were two characters, and all the preview posters show Spiderman/Iron Spider split down the middle of the war.


I pray this will occur and the IRON Spider-man is unmasked during the war. :(

Because if they mess up the CLASSIC Spider-man then they have to answer to a bunch of PO'ed Spider-man fan. :mad:

dingo
04-15-2006, 08:46 AM
Don't stress, in the Spider-Man Human Torch mini Spidey said he uses his sticking ability to keep his mask on. You can't take it off him.

Will.S
04-15-2006, 08:48 AM
I like the concept of Spider-Man unmasking eventually... But doesn't it feel like the start of an age where Spider-Man becomes a mainstream, beloved hero (Inside the MU) more along the lines of Steve and Tony? A newfound respectability and "professional" success.
I dunno, I could only see the whole "beloved hero" thing a reality in the House of M altered reality because he didn't accrue as many enemies as he has now and even then (after making enemies of Jonah, Vulture, Rhino, Electro etc.) he had to fake his own death to protect his family.

Captain America can do it without as much problems because he doesn't really have a whole lot of people that close to him like Peter does. If you think about it, he's constantly monitored and surrounded by S.H.I.E.L.D., aside from the other superheroes only has Sharon Carter as a close loved one, and he lives in a secret hideout warehouse when he isn't in Avengers Tower. Although Civil War should be one of the most interesting and ostracizing things to happen to him so far.

jpk
04-15-2006, 08:49 AM
Another vote for SM unmasking. And I hope it happens. It would open up so many great story lines and would give Joe Q a reason to finally dissolve MJ and Pete's marriage.

I mean, it's perfect ammo for the folks who want Pete to be a bachelor again. Too dangerous for MJ to be with him once the mask is off. Heck, she would probably leave him if the choice was to stay cooped up in Avengers Tower forever or have her own life and career.

dingo
04-15-2006, 08:57 AM
Another vote for SM unmasking. And I hope it happens. It would open up so many great story lines and would give Joe Q a reason to finally dissolve MJ and Pete's marriage.

I mean, it's perfect ammo for the folks who want Pete to be a bachelor again. Too dangerous for MJ to be with him once the mask is off. Heck, she would probably leave him if the choice was to stay cooped up in Avengers Tower forever or have her own life and career.

I doubt unmaasking would be enough reason for them to break up. Their marriage has been written very strong lately.
Logically not being around Pete/Avengers would be more dangerous for her anyway as villains would still be after her but she would not be near to protection.

Will.S
04-15-2006, 09:05 AM
A perfect case example of what could happen to Peter if he unmasked publicly is what happened to Daredevil once he was outed. Jigsaw found his way into his actual home, his girlfriend in constant danger (he even had to hire Luke, Danny and Jessica to act as bodyguards) and now he's ended up in jail due to overwhelming evidence.

Personally it would have to be the obvious choice of Stark unmasking since he has a bit less to lose.

phantom1592
04-15-2006, 10:22 AM
What I would hope would happen, is Daredevil Unmasks. Goes in front of a TV screen and pulls the mask off, revealing.... Someone.

This ought to get Murdock out of Prison :)

Bashful Benjamin
04-15-2006, 10:35 AM
I´m quite sure, it´s SM.
We know he´s facing massive problems at the beginning of CW (see NA solicitations), and we know the personal problems HoM caused for him. He´s not through with this.
Could be an interesting development, Peter revealing his identity, hoping for a more happy and easy life and everything turning out even worse.

Gary M
04-16-2006, 10:52 AM
I sure hope it's not Spider-Man because lets face it, it would have to be retconned at some point and that wouldn't be pretty.

Gnarl
04-16-2006, 11:16 AM
Not sure why Iron Man would unmask anyway.

I mean, the registration referred to "everyone with powers" right?

Iron Man doesn't have powers, he has equipment. He should be legally off the hook.

SincereAgape
04-16-2006, 11:32 AM
Spider-Man is the greatest secret out there and the one who losses the most by unmasking. But in all senses I hope it's not him.

Will.S
04-16-2006, 10:07 PM
Not sure why Iron Man would unmask anyway.

I mean, the registration referred to "everyone with powers" right?

Iron Man doesn't have powers, he has equipment. He should be legally off the hook.
Iron Man pre-Extremis? Yeah.

Post Extremis, he definitely has a degree of superhuman powers with the inner armor and the tech jacking.

Jmacq1
04-17-2006, 08:55 AM
Tony also made a point of mentioning that it wasn't just people with inborn powers. Basically anyone with the means to make themselves "superhuman" whether it's inborn or technologically derived needs to register. It's a blanket law designed to capture all "superheroes".

In all truth, Tony is probably almost covered by existing laws, though: You can't honestly tell me that the Iron Man suit (described elsewhere as a "wearable WMD") isn't a "deadly weapon" and would need to be registered as such?

mattspideyrocks!
04-17-2006, 03:06 PM
Not sure why Iron Man would unmask anyway.

I mean, the registration referred to "everyone with powers" right?

Iron Man doesn't have powers, he has equipment. He should be legally off the hook.

Yeah, because Tony having a suit that could take out New York if he wanted it to is not dangerous at all. I'm exaggerating a little but he has just as much potential to hurt people as any other hero. He should definitely be included. Especially post-Extremis like Will S. said.

SnakeEater
04-19-2006, 12:09 PM
I havent been hanging out on the boards in recent months because ever since The Other, and HoM, i feel as though Marvel no longer knows how to shock us, how to keep a lid on things and how to move us with their stories. Magneto is returning soon, judging by a cover i saw here on CBR. That said, judging by the cover of the final issue of Xmen: Deadly Genesis, Professor will lose his legs AGAIN. Spider-man has been reanimated into someone believing in magic, and his powers all totally suck now, and with what i heard from Daredevil- he is a mess.

Spidey losing his secret identity...seems like something that might occur and i say this because Marvel is afraid of the movies they are putting out. The reason Wolverine was finally given an origin, was because Quesada wanted to beat the story before any movie ideas did. Spidey lost his mask in the Train in Spider-man and everything else that the movies has done to him, has been done in the comics (except the stingers.) So i honestly believe that Peter will finally give up the identity, or someone is going to screw him over. Im not following any of the pre discussions on the Civil War, im waiting for teh actual book, but i wanted to add my two sense about this. Marvel isnt really shocking anymore with anything. Even Quesada himself said the effects of HoM were for shock value and would be retconned sooner or later and Bendis has the Magneto thing coming soon in NA. The only thing shocking is that the prices all finally went up on the books i collect- 2.99 each.
In my opinion im not at all shocked by anything this company is doing and if youre goign to kill spidey's secret identity...do it already so i can disgest it and move on with my life...or attempt to build one once i drop this comic book thing.

Firemane
04-19-2006, 02:50 PM
What i am hoping is that Tony will take off the helmet expecting Peter to do the same, only Peter refuses. After that either Tony outs him imediately or basically will keep Peter from his family.I can see Tony making this personal for Peter, perhaps at the end of it all forcing him and his family to Canada?

Deathstroke
04-19-2006, 05:12 PM
Personally I hate the idea of Spider-Man unmasking.

But since Marvel doesn't give a crap about what the people who buy their books think, it's not like what I say is going to matter.

SnakeEater
04-19-2006, 09:49 PM
Personally I hate the idea of Spider-Man unmasking.

But since Marvel doesn't give a crap about what the people who buy their books think, it's not like what I say is going to matter.


Ahem brother, i join you in this. I stopped giving half a turd as to what to think about marvels characters, basically i just became my own hypocrit by posting because they dont care what the hell their fans think.

Haunt
04-19-2006, 10:06 PM
Personally I hate the idea of Spider-Man unmasking.

But since Marvel doesn't give a crap about what the people who buy their books think, it's not like what I say is going to matter.


i think they care. they are giving me some cool series in the future that are right up my alley. and they might be bringing Noh-var out of limbo. that's proof that they care.

mattspideyrocks!
04-20-2006, 05:06 AM
Ahem brother, i join you in this. I stopped giving half a turd as to what to think about marvels characters, basically i just became my own hypocrit by posting because they dont care what the hell their fans think.

They care. They just can't please everybody. Right now, I think things are the best they've ever been while you think everything is turning out bad. If you were happy with everything, someone else wouldn't be. It's a cycle. Doesn't matter if they do a good job or not. There are still people out there that dislike it.

wellsoul2
04-20-2006, 03:07 PM
They are teasing this all over the place (SM's identity revealed) such as the cover with Iron Spidey walking on a blackboard in one cover.

I think Peter will come to the brink but not do it..chuck the armor and go
to Cap's side. Anyone want to post odds on it? :)

As Cap goes so goes Marvel..In the end Iron Fascist will lose.
(I still love the IM character..he is basically a right wing guy tho)

If I am wrong I think it's a totally wrong take on Spidey.
Spidey joining the Avengers is a stretch..the guy is a lone hero at heart.

Haunt
04-20-2006, 03:32 PM
what's Mary Jane going to do? isn't she still a model?

mattspideyrocks!
04-20-2006, 04:03 PM
what's Mary Jane going to do? isn't she still a model?

Not really no. She seems to be more into doing some plays, like Broadway stuff. But honestly, she hasn't even really done much of that or anything else at all lately.

Red Lotus
04-21-2006, 06:55 PM
Personally I hate the idea of Spider-Man unmasking.

But since Marvel doesn't give a crap about what the people who buy their books think, it's not like what I say is going to matter.


Once there was an X-men reload where they change the rosters and when one of the writers was asked about his roster and the fan response, he said he was the one writing the book and he could use whoever he wanted and that when you write you own book you get to pick the team you want.

But as for the Magneto thing If you read New Avengers (note I have no clue how to do that Spoiler thing so I hope this is right) . its a guy who has all the depowered mutants powers so maybe its not the real Magneto. So maybe that is what up with that cover.

Indefatigable
04-21-2006, 11:25 PM
Put me in the "I hope it's not Peter" camp.

Crash-Man
04-21-2006, 11:37 PM
I'm intrigued about the type of stories that a Spidey Unmasked situation could facilitate. I've been intrigued about that since DC heroes like Wally West started unmasking themselves.

Not 100% confident, as whatever progress the change brings about might be muted by the next mega-crossover, but intrigued.

bingbangboom
04-22-2006, 05:46 AM
I think it will be Spider-Man and will give the book a different feel. Most of his villians now know who he is. That has been shown on Spider-Man MK. They have done their worst to both MJ and May. If the act protect them, then it should work for him. It will also make the Ultimate Book stand alone as masked spiderman.

Should be interesting though. Could you imagine the stories that you can tell with this?

I personally think something like this should have happened to Superman though. I mean he just wears glasses. He is strong enough to deal with anything out there.

Red Lotus
04-22-2006, 10:34 AM
I think it will be Spider-Man and will give the book a different feel. Most of his villians now know who he is. That has been shown on Spider-Man MK. They have done their worst to both MJ and May. If the act protect them, then it should work for him. It will also make the Ultimate Book stand alone as masked spiderman.

I keep reading that, but I can only think of four. Green Goblin, Venom, Chameleon, and the Lizard. But with the Lizard I don't know how much he remembers when he is the Lizard. So it might only be Curt Connors.

Also the MK storyline Showed that the Goblin told Mac Gargan and no one else. The Vulture did unmask Spider-man in that arc but after he did he said you are just an average guy a nobody.

To be honest I wouldn't want them to unmask Spider-man, because I think it would kill Parker's suport cast. You couldn't have Flash, Jameson and Robbie Robertson. People who Peter can interact with as Peter. If Spider-man unmasks you couldn't have Peter Parker being Peter Parker anymore because he would always be Spider-man in and out of costume in the eyes of everyone around him.

bd2999
04-22-2006, 11:38 PM
I dont think it would matter much if Spidey unmasks. I mean JJ would crap himself, but about everyone else who needs to know, knows. I mean people know who Spider man is all over, Parker is a small town guy and the people of the world will be like "Who?"

Siddon
04-23-2006, 10:39 AM
Why they need to unmask Spidy

1. The character has not changed in 15 years(clone saga), the character has not had a great change in 25 years(the dark ages Kraven Saga/Death of Jean Dewolf).

2. Bendis can write the following Avengers really well Spider-man, Iron Man, Luke Cage and he wants to write Spider-woman so if the team splits then I fully expect that to be the pro-registration side. Where as Sentry, Cap, Ronin and Wolverine would be on the other side.

3. It makes Spidy hated and feared on a public level instead of a private level because he still has a major bad guy in J. J. and a long history of problems. It also puts Flash and Robbie in a really interesting situation which hopefully they will explore.

4. It rebuilds the family dynamic and puts Tony and Peter in a weird father son type relationship because Peter now has to rely on Tony to protect MJ and Aunt May. I also wouldn't be shocked if Mayday doesn't somehow wind up in Tony's place.

5. If they want to make the film series stick then they are going to need a new hook having Peter be the first of the big three (Spidy-Batman-Superman) to unmask sure as heck would do that.

6. It would tie Iron Man into the Marvel universe like he has never been brought in before leading to hopefully a major film, a comic in the high 80,000. And it would finally make Tony Stark A league.

7. It would put a major face on the pro-registration side. Right now Marvel has 2 A-listers, Wolverine and Spider-man if they want the pro-reg to sell then they need to have 1 franchise on 1 side and the second franchise on the other. My money is the Spider-franchise will be on the pro side while the X-franchise will be on the rebels.

Zombienorthstar
04-23-2006, 10:42 AM
I would be interesting to see how Spidey 'coming out' for want of a better term might affect MJs career...after all nay publicity is good publicity.

Kirayoshi
04-23-2006, 11:19 AM
I had heard that one of the 'genies' that JQ wanted to put back in the bottle was the fact that too many people knew everyone's secret identity. Is it possible that, by the end of the story, Spider-Man pulls a full-scale fake-out involving another hero(Ronin or Daredevil maybe) posing as Spider-Man while he's giving a press conference as Peter Parker?

Just an idea. Somehow I don't see him remaining in Tony Stark's employee(or the Avengers' roster) by the end of CV. He's just not a long-term team member, no matter what Bendis says about him.

Red Lotus
04-24-2006, 03:28 PM
Why they need to unmask Spidy

1. The character has not changed in 15 years(clone saga), the character has not had a great change in 25 years(the dark ages Kraven Saga/Death of Jean Dewolf).

I agree the character hasn't changed much, that is if you don't want to count remaking his orgin more Mystical which seems to be what JMS is doing on his run in Amazing and what the Other storyline did. But small changes are welcome, but unmasking would be a big change and the last time they had a big change that changed who Peter Parker/Spider-man is, it was the clone saga and they felt that was such a mistake that they brought Norman back and made him the mastermind behind the whole thing just so they could undo the changes that they made.


3. It makes Spidy hated and feared on a public level instead of a private level because he still has a major bad guy in J. J. and a long history of problems. It also puts Flash and Robbie in a really interesting situation which hopefully they will explore.

I think unmasking would do the opposite of that. Here you have a guy who J. J for years has rip for being a untrustworthy masked vigilinate. Spider-man unmasking would change that. He wouldn't be that untrustworthy masked vigilinate anymore and people would see him as just this guy who is working with the Government to protect them. But you are right J.J. can always say the Goverment is wrong and still be a major bad guy and yes him unmasking would put Flash on the spot.


5. If they want to make the film series stick then they are going to need a new hook having Peter be the first of the big three (Spidy-Batman-Superman) to unmask sure as heck would do that.

Wait these movies aren't sticking. Haven't they made some thing like 800 mill combined. Besides if there is a new hook it might be killing off MJ since they are bring in Gwen for the next film and Kirsten Dunst keep saying that she wants to move on.

frogjitsu
04-24-2006, 06:40 PM
To me, Marvel seems to be trying to please people who are into the movies more so nowadays, than the die-hard comic fans. It seems that whatever they do in the movies, they do something similar in the comics. Like after the first X-men movie came out, the comic book X-men started wearing black leather costumes. Also Spidey was given organic web-shooters, like in the movie. Those types of things really anoy me.

phantom1592
04-24-2006, 10:41 PM
Wait these movies aren't sticking. Haven't they made some thing like 800 mill combined. Besides if there is a new hook it might be killing off MJ since they are bring in Gwen for the next film and Kirsten Dunst keep saying that she wants to move on.


I do NOT see them killing off MJ. They SHOULD, but it seems like they JUST did that story. They had her plane blow up or something while they were seperated. Then they got to have single Pete for a while.

They brought her back :rolleyes:

It's MUCH to soon to retread that one.

BeastieRunner
04-24-2006, 11:01 PM
I personally think Spider-man is going to ditch the armor and ditch BOTH sides of the civil war because of his "great power, great responsibility" attitide. In Peter's world view and life experience, you use powers and talents for good and wisely. Fighting amongst other heroes is counterintutive to the philosphy of Spider-man. If a hero wants to go public he will, and if he doesn't, he won't. Either way, fighting about it is not what a hero would do because whatever they decided, it would be best for that person and their associates, family, etc. to keep them from harm.

Spider-man being divided on this situation has me thinking that maybe he'll unite them and perhaps they'll see the light. Couple that with Thor and/or Hulk returning with a possible major villain scheme that does some major political, or maybe just general, damage brings the heroes one step closer to uniting or tears them apart further.

All things considered, unmasking Spider-man will ruin his mythos, meaning, and philoshopy. He won't be as cool anymore. He's a biology geek who gets super powers and learns the hard way many times to use them responsibly. Bickering with other heroes about whether or not you should reveal who you really are is not responsible because it leaves the proverbial door wide open for other far worse things to happen.

Right now Marvel seems to be covering their bases pretty well by having recently had Scarlet Witch mess with reality and you also have Hobgoblin 2211 screwing with the Spider-man timeline. So if the backlash is great enough (from fans) for not liking what happened, I think they can "undo" things but will have to rebuild all thier titles and credibilty again.

My final opinion on this matter is I really want Spider-man to lead by example and go back to being a loner by sticking to his values.

Whatever happens, this better make Marvel interesting again but still respect the history and the characters.


. . . On a side note . . . since both DC and Marvel like to mirror one another, I hope Thor or Hulk or whatever don't pull a retcon punch thing like Superboy Prime did . . .