We need to give this man a break

[Zombienorthstar]

Skottie Young is such a distinctive artist i got the New Warriors: reality Check in trade today and it is incredibly...People say his cartoony style makes him unsuitable for an X-book...to that i present this evidence.

http://www.skottieyoung.com/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/478.jpg

[Cowlander]

Thats abit more stylised than he usually draws isnt it? But its still great, he definitely needs more work at marvel.

[Flameworthy]

Nothing against his skills or anything, but I just can't stand cartoony art in super hero comics. Least of all the X-Men. His art was the reason I didn't pick up the latest New Warriors series.

[Lawrence]

No offense to anyone, but in my opinion, that is a bit too cartoony. And their waists! Especially Rachel's! It's like a toothpick! Her body looks like a dumbbell.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Thats hot.

I met Skottie in person, he wasnt the nicest person, but maybe it was Josh Middletons influence cuz he was a total prat.

[Faded]

Skottie Young is such a distinctive artist i got the New Warriors: reality Check in trade today and it is incredibly...People say his cartoony style makes him unsuitable for an X-book...to that i present this evidence.

http://www.skottieyoung.com/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/478.jpg

Where is this from?

Cartoony art is winning me over since being bored to death of Larocca and (at times) Cassaday's art.

[DDM]

He would be perfect in any animation department, but his drawing skills are too cartoonish for a comic book.

[Faded]

Rachel's got a booty!!! :eek:

<Forgot to mention that I love this particular piece.>

[Callie]

I agree about it being suited for animation. Marvel needs a distinctive style like that. When you see a DC cartoon show, you know it's DC.

[Jellobay]

Nothing against his skills or anything, but I just can't stand cartoony art in super hero comics. Least of all the X-Men. His art was the reason I didn't pick up the latest New Warriors series.


Ditto.


*ten characters*

[Jellobay]

Rachel's got a booty!!! :eek:

<Forgot to mention that I love this particular piece.>

I thought that was Domino.

[venuscameback]

No offense to anyone, but in my opinion, that is a bit too cartoony. And their waists! Especially Rachel's! It's like a toothpick! Her body looks like a dumbbell.

:eek: That's Rachel???

edit: okay, someone else beat me to that

I didn't buy New Warriors when it came out on account of the cover art; when I finally picked up a copy of issue #1 I ws surprised how much I enjoyed the art. It's not what I'd want to see on an x-book but I definitely be happy to see him get some more comics gigs

venus

[Scipio72002]

I think it is Domino, because she has weapons and the eye tattoo. I think his art is very interesting and unique. I loved what he did with Astonishing and the Runaways cover. Both characters look distinct and very cool.

[streator]

I thought that was Domino.
it is domino.
and it's a nice piece.

[Phoenix]

I like the art. As a pin-up maybe, or cartoon strip! But I don't think it would fit in an X-men book. Maybe an Alpha Flight book, IF they keep up with the cartoony writing and humorous stories. Though when A.F. does come back I'm rooting for dark and gritty!

Here's hoping anyway!

[Cowlander]

I thought that was Domino.
Cartoony art, doest suit superhero comics? Huh hows that work, its superhero's their lrger than life exploding all the page etc etc etc. Theres no real difference between the ultra angles of Kirby's work and Scotts ultra use of curves.

Now simply not liking that style is understand and cool. But saying it doesnt suit the genre is alittle iffy to me.

And yeah its Domino, Guns, Eye Mark etc.

[Faded]

Oh yeah...that is Domino. :D

I'm just so use to Betsy/Rachel all the time.


I agree about it being suited for animation. Marvel needs a distinctive style like that. When you see a DC cartoon show, you know it's DC.

Agreed. Marvel needs to step it up in the animation/cartoon department.

*grumbles about the Teen Titans cancellation* :mad:

[Zombienorthstar]

Young's art was the reason i did pick up new Warriors funny enough.

that is Domino...i dotn know why youd think it was Rachel.

if perhaps not a main book then maybe a more stylised one like New X-Men?

This is from www.skottieyoung.com

Its got loads of cool images on there.

[The Fury]

Not to bash on all you people who say his art should be in animation and not comics.

But what defines comic art?

Alan Davis? George Perez? Dell'Otto?

What about Paolo Rivera? the Painter of X-men Mythos? is that comic art? (Looked bloody fantastic in my view).

Ashley Wood? Artist of the Uncanny 2001 annual (the widescreen one) was that?

Point being that all these artists are of a dang fine quailty, far better then I am. Any artist deserves to draw comics. If someone's art is cartoonish, then he should not only draw cartoons, he should use his tallents to what he enjoys to do.

[Faded]

Not to bash on all you people who say his art should be in animation and not comics.

But what defines comic art?

Alan Davis? George Perez? Dell'Otto?

What about Paolo Rivera? the Painter of X-men Mythos? is that comic art? (Looked bloody fantastic in my view).

Ashley Wood? Artist of the Uncanny 2001 annual (the widescreen one) was that?

Point being that all these artists are of a dang fine quailty, far better then I am. Any artist deserves to draw comics. If someone's art is cartoonish, then he should not only draw cartoons, he should use his tallents to what he enjoys to do.

Very true. Sometimes its good to step out of the normal box.


that is Domino...i dotn know why youd think it was Rachel.

Because they're in the same book and Domino's eye mark could've been mistaken for Rachel's Crimson-Phoenix eye mark thingy.

[Phoenix]

Not to bash on all you people who say his art should be in animation and not comics.

But what defines comic art?

Alan Davis? George Perez? Dell'Otto?

What about Paolo Rivera? the Painter of X-men Mythos? is that comic art? (Looked bloody fantastic in my view).

Ashley Wood? Artist of the Uncanny 2001 annual (the widescreen one) was that?

Point being that all these artists are of a dang fine quailty, far better then I am. Any artist deserves to draw comics. If someone's art is cartoonish, then he should not only draw cartoons, he should use his tallents to what he enjoys to do.

Devil's advocate: You're absolutely right. He SHOULD do what he enjoys. But I still feel it doesn't fit a lot of story-lines and characters currently in the M.U. The art is gorgeous, he has very crisp lines. Then at the same time, to me it's too "manga" which isn't something that would attract me to a book. Like I said, I'd have it as a pin-up, I'd even have it as a poster, but I wouldn't pick up a book for his art (and I wouldn't give up any of my fave books if he happened to be put on as artist) but that's because of the characters. So really it's a catch 22.

[Ryan K]

I can't believe how many people say they wouldn't want this guy drawing an x-book. How many x-bboks are there in a year? Over 10 ongoing at any given time plus tons of mini's and you people wouldn't want him anywhere near any of these. If every mini or ongoing is the same style of writing or the same style of art things would be extremely boring.

Mike Allred, Frank Quitely, Ryan Sook, heck even Art Adams. All their styles differed from the "norms" of x-book art, but enjoy them or not, I'm appreciative of the opportunity to look at something different every now and then.

[TinMan]

Skottie Young is such a distinctive artist i got the New Warriors: reality Check in trade today and it is incredibly...People say his cartoony style makes him unsuitable for an X-book...to that i present this evidence.

I would most likely drop the book immediately. I ditest cartoony and abstract styles in my comics; don't get me wrong, I love cartoons, but if I wanna see cartoons I'll go watch Cartoon Network.

[venuscameback]

I can't believe how many people say they wouldn't want this guy drawing an x-book. How many x-bboks are there in a year? Over 10 ongoing at any given time plus tons of mini's and you people wouldn't want him anywhere near any of these. If every mini or ongoing is the same style of writing or the same style of art things would be extremely boring.

Mike Allred, Frank Quitely, Ryan Sook, heck even Art Adams. All their styles differed from the "norms" of x-book art, but enjoy them or not, I'm appreciative of the opportunity to look at something different every now and then.

Good points all, Ryan. I was thinking of the team books but I can see Young's art working on a solo book or mini

but for my taste, I wouldn't likely enjoy the style on a straight book whereas I could lap it up on a comedy book. I love Michael Avon Oeming on Powers but wouldn't want to see his art on an x-team book either

venus

[Vegetarian Goat]

Cartoony art is winning me over since being bored to death of Larocca and (at times) Cassaday's art.

YES! More people need to come around to something different instead of "comic book art"... that's such a silly phrase to me.


I agree about it being suited for animation. Marvel needs a distinctive style like that. When you see a DC cartoon show, you know it's DC.

I totally agree. *cough-everyonegolookatmydoodlesthisinstant-cough*

[Tennoarashi]

Not to bash on all you people who say his art should be in animation and not comics.

But what defines comic art?

Alan Davis? George Perez? Dell'Otto?

What about Paolo Rivera? the Painter of X-men Mythos? is that comic art? (Looked bloody fantastic in my view).

Ashley Wood? Artist of the Uncanny 2001 annual (the widescreen one) was that?

Point being that all these artists are of a dang fine quailty, far better then I am. Any artist deserves to draw comics. If someone's art is cartoonish, then he should not only draw cartoons, he should use his tallents to what he enjoys to do.
Thank you. I was just about to say...

[jawbreaker]

I like his style...
and he wants to bring back Gen X which makes him aces in my book...

[atorifan]

wow, i love this piece! but i would find it distracting to read throughout, i think. covers could be his cornerstone tho, if he did a lot of covers i might go broke. even tho i love the piece i couldn't recognize anyone without reading the text, not knowing domino really doesn't help.

[steve2275]

i like it too

[StoneGold]

I think the real problem is Skottie needs a writer to tailor his writing for Skottie's style. Which didn't happen at all on Human Torch, and kind of happened in New Warriors, but not as fully as it should have been. You need a story that is totally kinetic, full of action. He's something of a niche artist who hasn't quite found the right niche yet. He's not a quiet, introspective artist. He's nail your testicles to the wall, hold on for dear life. Or at least he should be.

[LoneWolf21]

I think the real problem is Skottie needs a writer to tailor his writing for Skottie's style. Which didn't happen at all on Human Torch, and kind of happened in New Warriors, but not as fully as it should have been. You need a story that is totally kinetic, full of action. He's something of a niche artist who hasn't quite found the right niche yet. He's not a quiet, introspective artist. He's nail your testicles to the wall, hold on for dear life. Or at least he should be.

That's a good point. He might have been a good pick for an Impulse book, were Bart still in that identity. Still, I really dig his artwork.

[StoneGold]

That's a good point. He might have been a good pick for an Impulse book, were Bart still in that identity. Still, I really dig his artwork.
Actually, I was thinking something along the lines of a complete urban and kung fu exploitatin Power Man and Iron Fist type thing. Or hell, even Daughters of the Dragon. You could have subbed Skottie for Khari pretty easily. Something like that book, where the action is heavy, characters are running on a hipster cool vibe more than anything else, and character development is an afterthought to asskicking.

[LoneWolf21]

Actually, I was thinking something along the lines of a complete urban and kung fu exploitatin Power Man and Iron Fist type thing. Or hell, even Daughters of the Dragon. You could have subbed Skottie for Khari pretty easily. Something like that book, where the action is heavy, characters are running on a hipster cool vibe more than anything else, and character development is an afterthought to asskicking.

Oh! Yeah, he'd have been absolutely aces for something like that. Can't believe I didn't think of it.

[Zombienorthstar]

I dont know how you could bring Gneration X back though...i mean including the teachers there are only three characters really active...Chambers hooked up to life support, Synchs dead, Jubilees depowered, skins dead, banshees dead...wow they really got screwed over.

[Titan76]

http://www.skottieyoung.com/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/478.jpg
I am going to be one of the people's that say that I don't like this type of art. On a cartoon show I don't think I would mind it since the Teen Titans GO cartoon is draw kinda of like this. But in a comic book I really don't like this type of art and I hope that this type of art doesn't get drawn in any comic book that I normally buy.

[Michael P]

"No offense, I just fear the unfamiliar." - Marge Simpson

[Scipio72002]

I just saw his website, and the color picture he did of Storm was amazing. I think he is someone you have to observe a lot to really appreciate, cause I was iffy about his art before, but now I think it's amazing.

[Owens 23]

Tehehehehehehehe...........some of these responses are funny. That picture of Domino looks no more like Rachel than it does Kitty or Storm. Posters gripe about writers and artists of the X-Men like they are some kind of X-pert, and yet they can't even recognize a distinctive character when they see one. This is to funny and ironic.

[Faded]

Tehehehehehehehe...........some of these responses are funny. That picture of Domino looks no more like Rachel than it does Kitty or Storm. Posters gripe about writers and artists of the X-Men like they are some kind of X-pert, and yet they can't even recognize a distinctive character when they see one. This is to funny and ironic.

Dude simple mistake.

[Owens 23]

Dude simple mistake.

Simple mistake? What does jet black hair, a circle tattoo, and large Cablesque guns have to do with Rachel or have ever had to do with her? It's not a simple mistake, it's people who act like they are X-Men experts not knowing their elbow from their a-**** about the X-Men, and it's funny and ironic. Come back and gripe about writers and artists on the X-Men when you can tell the difference between Domino and Rachel, LOL :D .

[Faded]

Simple mistake? What does jet black hair, a circle tattoo, and large Cablesque guns have to do with Rachel or have ever had to do with her? It's not a simple mistake, it's people who act like they are X-Men experts not knowing their elbow from their a-**** about the X-Men, and it's funny and ironic. Come back and gripe about writers and artists on the X-Men when you can tell the difference between Domino and Rachel, LOL :D .

Uhm...first of all its not colored, and secondly Rachel does have an eye tattoo. Chop it up to dark colors.

*edit* Nevermind. Just get over yourself, Titan Slade.

[Owens 23]

Uhm...first of all its not colored, and secondly Rachel does have an eye tattoo. Chop it up to dark colors.


Make all the excuses you want, but the fact is the character has clearly pictured jet black hair, a circle eye tattoo, and a large gun and knife which are all trademark Domino features and have nothing to do with Rachel at all. Why won't some posters just come out and admit that they are novice at best X-Men fans? It's no big deal to admit it.

[Mikl C]

hmm it's quirky. i like it as drawings or animation.. i'm not sure i could read a whole comic with art like this though.

[Faded]

Make all the excuses you want, but the fact is the character has clearly pictured jet black hair, a circle eye tattoo, and a large gun and knife which are all trademark Domino features and have nothing to do with Rachel at all. Why won't some posters just come out and admit that they are novice at best X-Men fans? It's no big deal to admit it.

Why don't you admit you're just here to cause trouble?

I didn't carefully examine it. My baaad. Take away my geek card. :rolleyes:

[Owens 23]

Why don't you admit you're just here to cause trouble?

I didn't carefully examine it. My baaad. Take away my geek card. :rolleyes:

I am not wanting to cause any trouble, I just find it funny that a lot of posters gripe about a writer or artist like they are some kind of expert on comic books and the X-Men, and yet they have trouble distinguishing one character from the next. You have to admit this is very ironic and funny. We all want to be involved, even though we all don't know a lick about what we are talking about.

And I still don't understand the whole Titan Slade thing? Is this some kind of insult? Please explain?

[Faded]

I am not wanting to cause any trouble, I just find it funny that a lot of posters gripe about a writer or artist like they are some kind of expert on comic books and the X-Men, and yet they have trouble distinguishing one character from the next. You have to admit this is very ironic and funny. We all want to be involved, even though we all don't know a lick about what we are talking about.

Riiiiight. Seeing as how I was one of two people to think it was Rachel at first, I'm going to have disagree with you here. I have my opinions but I don't claim to be an expert. Don't try to psychoanalyze this situation--its called human error. Your failure to grasp that isn't funny or ironic, just plain sad. :(

Now let's move on.

[Ryan K]

So because some people made the mistake that an uncolored picture of Domino was Rachel Grey, you assume they believe they know everything about the X-Men and now you've decided its your place to mock them for those beliefs you assume they have?

[Arilou]

I like it. But then, I like stylized art.

[Owens 23]

So because some people made the mistake that an uncolored picture of Domino was Rachel Grey, you assume they believe they know everything about the X-Men and now you've decided its your place to mock them for those beliefs you assume they have?

Let me put it another way then. You might see a post like "I hate this style it's ugly and animated and it is a horrible picture of Rachel." Now you have to admit this is LOL worthy that they are giping about a picture of Rachel, that is not even a picture of Rachel. Again, if you don't know what you are even griping about, it makes you look like you don't know your elbow from your a-****. I'm not trying to upset anybody, just trying to get you to think hard about what you are griping about before you gripe, because it may be making you look the fool.

[Ryan K]

Let me put it another way then. You might see a post like "I hate this style it's ugly and animated and it is a horrible picture of Rachel." Now you have to admit this is LOL worthy that they are giping about a picture of Rachel, that is not even a picture of Rachel. Again, if you don't know what you are even griping about, it makes you look like you don't know your elbow from your a-****. I'm not trying to upset anybody, just trying to get you to think hard about what you are griping about before you gripe, because it may be making you look the fool.

They're not griping about Rachel, they're griping about the style of art. The fact that they thought it was Rachel has NOTHING to do with their critique. Its a very minor mistake that you're blowing out of proportion in order to try and make people look foolish. You're attacking the speaker rather than the argument because the evidence you're attacking is meaningless to their point of view.

[Michael P]

They're not griping about Rachel, they're griping about the style of art. The fact that they thought it was Rachel has NOTHING to do with their critique. Its a very minor mistake that you're blowing out of proportion in order to try and make people look foolish.
They didn't need his help.

[Faded]

They didn't need his help.

Oh yeah break out the stones someone made a mistake. :rolleyes:


Let me put it another way then. You might see a post like "I hate this style it's ugly and animated and it is a horrible picture of Rachel." Now you have to admit this is LOL worthy that they are giping about a picture of Rachel, that is not even a picture of Rachel. Again, if you don't know what you are even griping about, it makes you look like you don't know your elbow from your a-****. I'm not trying to upset anybody, just trying to get you to think hard about what you are griping about before you gripe, because it may be making you look the fool.

Okay...who said that again? Because obviously you aren't talking about anyone in this thread.

[Owens 23]

They didn't need his help.

Thanks Mike, I see you notice the irony in their complaints as well.

[Michael P]

Oh yeah break out the stones someone made a mistake. :rolleyes:
http://develp.envi.osakafu-u.ac.jp/staff/kudo/image/violin.gif

[Shellhead]

I think the real problem is Skottie needs a writer to tailor his writing for Skottie's style. Which didn't happen at all on Human Torch, and kind of happened in New Warriors, but not as fully as it should have been. You need a story that is totally kinetic, full of action. He's something of a niche artist who hasn't quite found the right niche yet. He's not a quiet, introspective artist. He's nail your testicles to the wall, hold on for dear life. Or at least he should be.

My initial reacton to Skottie's artwork was that I disliked. Really, really disliked it. But I pondered your comment about his kinetic style, then looked at Skottie's website gallery. I do see what you mean, and I think White Wolf Games hit the target when they selected him to artwork for their Pimp: the Backhanding cardgame. Those pictures pop, in a lively and comical way, but the subject matter needs to be violent and silly to match his style.

[StoneGold]

My initial reacton to Skottie's artwork was that I disliked. Really, really disliked it. But I pondered your comment about his kinetic style, then looked at Skottie's website gallery. I do see what you mean, and I think White Wolf Games hit the target when they selected him to artwork for their Pimp: the Backhanding cardgame. Those pictures pop, in a lively and comical way, but the subject matter needs to be violent and silly to match his style.
Exactly. Like, he could rock on something like a Deadpool project. But he'd be wrong for, say, Captain America.

[Faded]

http://develp.envi.osakafu-u.ac.jp/staff/kudo/image/violin.gif

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1425/eck134qg.gif

[Jellobay]

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1425/eck134qg.gif
:)




:)

[Cowlander]

Actually, I was thinking something along the lines of a complete urban and kung fu exploitatin Power Man and Iron Fist type thing. Or hell, even Daughters of the Dragon. You could have subbed Skottie for Khari pretty easily. Something like that book, where the action is heavy, characters are running on a hipster cool vibe more than anything else, and character development is an afterthought to asskicking.
Jeebus man you just dscribed my perfect book......

[Rollo_Tomasi]

isn't mr young penciling the XMen/Runaways FCBD issue?

[Jellobay]

Break him off a piece of that Kit Kat bar. :)

What ... you were all thinking it.

[Owens 23]

Oh yeah break out the stones someone made a mistake. :rolleyes:


The thing is that myself and Mike will always have one up on you because we can tell the obvious difference between Rachel and Domino. No hard feelings though.

[streator]

The thing is that myself and Mike will always have one up on you because we can tell the obvious difference between Rachel and Domino. No hard feelings though.
you're doomed forever, faded!
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7527/screaming4fv.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Owens 23]

you're doomed forever, faded!
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7527/screaming4fv.gif (http://imageshack.us)

That is a horrible picture of Rachel, who drew it?

[streator]

That is a horrible picture of Rachel, who drew it?
i don't know faded at all, i just thought your "will always have one up on you" bit was humorous.

[Owens 23]

i don't know faded at all, i just thought your "will always have one up on you" bit was humorous.

It was meant to be funny in an ironic sort of way.

[Volk1]

The thing is that myself and Mike will always have one up on you because we can tell the obvious difference between Rachel and Domino. No hard feelings though.

But Faded will always have the one up on you by being a class act. You keep saying "im not here to cause trouble, im not here to cause trouble" but then you go and criticize Faded again and again. Dude, leave it alone. With that type of art style and being b&W, it's could be really easy to mistake a character for someone else. It's not the fact that you're criticizing the post, it's the fact that you're lambasting Faded for no reason. Picking fights in a forum? That's bush league. This is an X-community for all X-lovers, why treat each other like shit when we can all partake in this beautiful world of X-Men :)

BUT, back on track, for me personally, that art would really suit a solo side X-book better than say, Uncanny. I cringed every time I turned the page in those anime-Austen issues. I just didn't think anime and Uncanny X-Men were a good fit. An example of this kind of kinetic art that goes with a book would be Immonen's art in NextWave. The style and tone of the book sit well with his art, a similar book would have to suit Skottie's. Ergo, Stonegold's example of this on a Deadpool series....

[Owens 23]

But Faded will always have the one up on you by being a class act. You keep saying "im not here to cause trouble, im not here to cause trouble" but then you go and criticize Faded again and again. Dude, leave it alone. With that type of art style and being b&W, it's could be really easy to mistake a character for someone else. It's not the fact that you're criticizing the post, it's the fact that you're lambasting Faded for no reason. Picking fights in a forum? That's bush league. This is an X-community for all X-lovers, why treat each other like shit when we can all partake in this beautiful world of X-Men :)


I never mentioned Faded in my original post, and Faded quoted my post and started the whole dumb thing. I did not start anything trouble wise, and have not posted anything criticizing Faded at all. Posting that Faded did not know Rachel from Domino was true and not slander or mean in any way. You are the ones that keep attacking me. No hard feelings though.

[Ryan K]

I did not start anything trouble wise, and have not posted anything criticizing Faded at all.

Really?



Come back and gripe about writers and artists on the X-Men when you can tell the difference between Domino and Rachel

Directed towards Faded, suggesting she's too ignorant to post here.


Why won't some posters just come out and admit that they are novice at best X-Men fans? It's no big deal to admit it.

Another smart ass comment clearly directed at Faded.


We all want to be involved, even though we all don't know a lick about what we are talking about.

More of the same. Thinly veiled insults are insults all the same.

[Owens 23]

Really?




Directed towards Faded, suggesting she's too ignorant to post here.



Another smart ass comment clearly directed at Faded.



More of the same. Thinly veiled insults are insults all the same.

Did I ever mention you? You have attacked me several times now and I have never mentioned your name.

[Ryan K]

Did I ever mention you? You have attacked me several times now and I have never mentioned your name.

Read back, I've never attacked you. I'm merely pointing out your flawed logic. This is a message board. Debate is one of its main purposes.

You seem to be equating a mistake with ignorance. The posters you're talking about mistook an image of Domino for Rachel Grey. Its not as if they do not know who Domino is. They made a simple mistake of mistaking an image of one character for another. A mistake that I'd wager everyone here has made at least once. Yet you seem intent on blowing this mistake out of proportion because you seem to think its funny and points to a larger scale of ignorance of those posters.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Broken record, but....

If Skottie or Khari did a Dazzler book, i'd probably have to pee my pants.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Before anyone else pretends to know something about comic books by saying Mr. Young's artwork is not "comic book art", maybe you should look at his story telling. Because "comic book art" can look like anything if it tells the story well. I'll post some of Mr. Young's pages here this weekend when I have time- its excellent stuff and I would love to see it on an X-book.

Don't forget that Joe Maduria turned the American comic art world upside down half a decade ago when he drew the X-men in a cartoony manga way. Have people forgotten this already?

[Phoenix]

Before anyone else pretends to know something about comic books by saying Mr. Young's artwork is not "comic book art", maybe you should look at his story telling. Because "comic book art" can look like anything if it tells the story well. I'll post some of Mr. Young's pages here this weekend when I have time- its excellent stuff and I would love to see it on an X-book.

Don't forget that Joe Maduria turned the American comic art world upside down half a decade ago when he drew the X-men in a cartoony manga way. Have people forgotten this already?

You know... i've noticed that the majority of people who like Young's style for whatever book keep getting slightly nasty while posting. In your case here this is the line I'm talking about:

"Before anyone else pretends to know something about comic books by saying Mr. Young's artwork is not "comic book art", maybe you should look at his story telling."

Your best bet to get through to people, isn't telling them "they pretend to know something" thinking Young's artwork is "comic book art" well that's YOUR opinion, just as THEIR opinion is that they don't like it for comic books. Your best bet is to soundly make your opinion heard in a way that you may just get through to someone. Speaking from personal experience, from both ends mind you.... I find people are MUCH more likely to take you seriously and actually LISTEN to you if you aren't insulting them. Alex, I don't want you to think I'm just talking about you in this situation there are multiple threads on this board that attack those believing this art doesn't belong in x-books or comics or whatever they are saying. Personally, I wouldn't like his art on an X-book, I really wouldn't enjoy it. Bachalo pushes the line for me, but there's still something there that grabs me. It could be his covers really, I don't know. Young's artwork... someone said it would be good on a Deadpool book, THAT I can see. And about Madueira, I love him, he is one of my favorite artists ever to touch a page of X-Men, and while his style is slightly "manga" it really doesn't look at all like Young's. MAD is actually my biggest inspiration. I see a lot of his style in my artwork. Check out some of his stuff here:

http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Order=Date&Piece=23598&GSub=2905&GCat=0&UCat=0

I think we all need to stop attacking each OTHER because of each's own opinions. It's one thing to disagree with what someone has to say, and to personally attack said person because you don't agree. Attack the argument, not the person!

[Zombienorthstar]

I love Youngs art though im not so thrilled about some of the people who seem to be on my side...with Rachels recent chnages i can see how people could think it was her....i might have made the same mistake if this wasnt my computer background and i see it like every day...

The guy is capable of toning the art down on ocassion...heres some examples

http://www.skottieyoung.com/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/78.jpg

http://www.skottieyoung.com/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/98.jpg

[Lawrence]

As one of the people who mistook Domino for Rachel, I really feel like I should say something...

Except that I think it was quite an easy mistake to make. Although I thought that it was strange (in shape), I thought the tattoo was a shaded version of the phoenix marking on Rachel.

The haircut was also pretty similar, as well as the recent theme of pairing her up with Psylocke (not in any sexual way :P).

Also, I have only actually ever read one of Domino's appearances and that was in New X-men. In that, I think she had longer hair. My only other exposures to her are in Heroclix form, and a throwaway remark made by someone about her being impersonated by Copycat or something.

[Zombienorthstar]

Even though i knew it was Domino i think it was a fair mistake to make...some fnaboys like to gratify themselves by assuring themself that they have superior knowledge...

For more on self gratifying fanboys see the 'Futurama' episode in which Fry is challenged as to whether hes the biggest Star Trek fan...by a big cloud of gas....HILL-arious.

[Zombienorthstar]

Even though i knew it was Domino i think it was a fair mistake to make...some fanboys like to gratify themselves by assuring themself that they have superior knowledge...

For more on self gratifying fanboys see the 'Futurama' episode in which Fry is challenged as to whether hes the biggest Star Trek fan...by a big cloud of gas....HILL-arious.

[Cowlander]

Really?




Directed towards Faded, suggesting she's too ignorant to post here.



Another smart ass comment clearly directed at Faded.



More of the same. Thinly veiled insults are insults all the same.
just to play deveils advocate....how is that clearly directed towards Faded?

[Ryan K]

just to play deveils advocate....how is that clearly directed towards Faded?

He said it in response to people (including Faded) mistaking Domino for Rachel, and specifically posted it in response to one of her posts during their back and forth. Using the phrase "some posters" in there doesn't hide anything.

[Cowlander]

Honestly the only reason to me that the mistake was made is because of the recent linking of the two in the books. Other than that, I dont see any other similarities but then it might simply be for being used to this type of art.

But if it was Rachel noone questioned why Rachel would be armed? I stopped reading UXM regularly awhile ago has she gone termanatrix recentlly during the End of Grays/Falling Star arcs?

Other than that Skottie definitely needs more work at Marvel. Caveat being if hes allowed to draw his work and have it colored to his style. I know a few other artists at marvel whose work isnt colored to match their drawing style and it always hurts the final product. Imagine how wierd Middleton's work would look if it was colored like say you would color Jae Lee or Silvestry.

Look at how much Larrocca's work suffered over the shifts in coloring style on his runs.

[Cowlander]

He said it in response to people (including Faded) mistaking Domino for Rachel, and specifically posted it in response to one of her posts during their back and forth. Using the phrase "some posters" in there doesn't hide anything.
See I read them as general reponses not specific targeted responses. I still see them like that which is why I dont see them as being as targeted as you do.

But its understandable to think that. Hes the only one who knows his intent tho.

[Ryan K]

But its understandable to think that. Hes the only one who knows his intent tho.

True, but when presented with those quotes he didn't argue it. In fact he shifted his attention to me, questioning why I was attacking him.

I think this thread probably now has more off topic posts than on topic ones.

[Zombienorthstar]

Well i did just post some new images by Skottie Young where he had a more toned down style in reponse to people dislike of the cartoony look...but people have been so busy arguing no ones even mentioned them.

[TinMan]

Well i did just post some new images by Skottie Young where he had a more toned down style in reponse to people dislike of the cartoony look...but people have been so busy arguing no ones even mentioned them.

Still looks like crap as far as I'm concerned... :p

I know thats probably not the response you wanted to hear, but you asked! :D

[Jack Flash]

Skottie Young rox sox. I would love to see him on a Gen X revamp or special.

The Best X-Book ever was done by Jim Mahfood (GEn X Underground Special) and most of the fan boys would say the same about him not being suitable. I think most fan boys like the status quo, so we'll have crappy Larocca art for years to come.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Still looks like crap as far as I'm concerned... :p

I know thats probably not the response you wanted to hear, but you asked! :D

What makes it "crap"? What specificially don't you like about his style of art?

For that matter, and this question goes out to ALL the people to say "his style isn't right for comic books", What defines comic book art to you? Comic artists run the gamut from Jack Kirby to Dave McKean to Alex Ross to Jim Mahfood- all are drastically different, yet all excel at what they do. Skottie Young is as technically proficient as any of them, yet i hear him criticized the MOST when it comes to whether or not his art is "comic art" or not.

An argument which i still find silly. So please, tell me what YOU think "comic art" is. Because i'd really love to hear it. (and if i seem overly defensive towards the naysayers of "cartoony" art, well... DUH.)

[TinMan]

What makes it "crap"? What specificially don't you like about his style of art?

I've already answered this Vege, so you don't have to pull out the "defend yourself or suffer the consequences" crap. Go back and read my first post; I hate cartoony and abstract styles in my comics.

[Vegetarian Goat]

I've already answered this Vege, so you don't have to pull out the "defend yourself or suffer the consequences" crap. Go back and read my first post; I hate cartoony and abstract styles in my comics.

Sorry, TinMan- i didn't see your post. I wasn't asking you to defend yourself, i was just curious. :o I didn't mean for it to come off as confrontational.

[TinMan]

Sorry, TinMan- i didn't see your post. I wasn't asking you to defend yourself, i was just curious. :o I didn't mean for it to come off as confrontational.

Its cool yo, I wasn't trying to be a dick either, shoulda added a smiley in there.

I just don't like cartoony/abstract styles, I got into comics because the likes of Jim Lee and the Kubert brothers blew me away. I love my cartoons, but I prefer them IN cartoons, not comics. I like a sense of believability, as in, I can see these characters as real people; but when I see a cartoony/abstract style, I can't see them as anything other than cheesy fake characters.

[Zombienorthstar]

What makes it "crap"? What specificially don't you like about his style of art?

For that matter, and this question goes out to ALL the people to say "his style isn't right for comic books", What defines comic book art to you? Comic artists run the gamut from Jack Kirby to Dave McKean to Alex Ross to Jim Mahfood- all are drastically different, yet all excel at what they do. Skottie Young is as technically proficient as any of them, yet i hear him criticized the MOST when it comes to whether or not his art is "comic art" or not.

An argument which i still find silly. So please, tell me what YOU think "comic art" is. Because i'd really love to hear it. (and if i seem overly defensive towards the naysayers of "cartoony" art, well... DUH.)

The answer to that is there is no such thing as comic book art...because any art can be applied to comic books...Skottie Young is a comic book artist purely because his work is publisched in comic books...i think he gets chastised because his work doesnt look like real people...if you knwo what i mean. There seem to be two schools of art in comic books: the guys who go for photo realistic John Cassaday, Alex Ross etc and those that are trying to take their style even if its not anatomically correct: Bachalo, Young etc.

I like a mixture of the two to be honest...

[Phoenix]

Its cool yo, I wasn't trying to be a dick either, shoulda added a smiley in there.

I just don't like cartoony/abstract styles, I got into comics because the likes of Jim Lee and the Kubert brothers blew me away. I love my cartoons, but I prefer them IN cartoons, not comics. I like a sense of believability, as in, I can see these characters as real people; but when I see a cartoony/abstract style, I can't see them as anything other than cheesy fake characters.

I agree, I love cartoony art in cartoons. It just doesn't capture my attention in comics. It's hard to really go out on a limb to explain why. Why does a man find a woman unattractive? ALTHOUGH, I must say I do LIKE his art. But I wouldn't like looking at 22 pages of it. I want something that sucks me in, and that, just doesn't. I like more realism in my comics than that can afford me! Nothing against the artist at all. Like I mentioned before, a poster or pin-up would be great. But when I'm reading a comic I like a specific ambience, which is a more realistic take on characters, somewhat gritty, extended dialogue and some Radiohead on in the background to complete the ultimate reading experience.

Young's art just doesn't do it for me!

[Owens 23]

The problem a lot of posters have around here is confusing "style" with "talent". If they do not like an artist's "style" they say things like "he sucks and can't draw better than a 5 year old" and other dumb stuff like this. Nothing wrong with not liking an artists "style", but it should not ever be confused with "talent". Anybody who is getting published by Marvel has s*** loads of "talent" because it is the hardest job in the world to get.

[Phoenix]

The problem a lot of posters have around here is confusing "style" with "talent". If they do not like an artist's "style" they say things like "he sucks and can't draw better than a 5 year old" and other dumb stuff like this. Nothing wrong with not liking an artists "style", but it should not ever be confused with "talent". Anybody who is getting published by Marvel has s*** loads of "talent" because it is the hardest job in the world to get.

You're totally right on this. He definitely has talent.

[TinMan]

The problem a lot of posters have around here is confusing "style" with "talent". If they do not like an artist's "style" they say things like "he sucks and can't draw better than a 5 year old" and other dumb stuff like this. Nothing wrong with not liking an artists "style", but it should not ever be confused with "talent". Anybody who is getting published by Marvel has s*** loads of "talent" because it is the hardest job in the world to get.

I concur, I give the man props and respect for his ability to draw that (like Phoenix said, I don't mind the art as a pinup or something, but not as sequential), but I don't like the style, I find it relatively unimpressive.

[Phoenix]

I concur, I give the man props and respect for his ability to draw that (like Phoenix said, I don't mind the art as a pinup or something, but not as sequential), but I don't like the style, I find it relatively unimpressive.


Totally OFF subject... (well off artist rather) but i'd love to see Gaydos do Wolverine. I'd love to see Gaydos do anything really! Anyone know what he's done recently? Aside from the Pulse issue?

R.I.P. ALIAS~

[Owens 23]

I concur, I give the man props and respect for his ability to draw that (like Phoenix said, I don't mind the art as a pinup or something, but not as sequential), but I don't like the style, I find it relatively unimpressive.

Great posts like your's TinMan are few and far between around here. Most people who do not like a artist's style around here say dumb things like "he sucks" or "he can't draw" etc......Ignoring the fact that said artist got published by the highest quality comic book art company in the world Marvel Comics. Marvel has the highest quality art standard policy in all of comics, and if an artist's work is published by Marvel, they are one of the best comic book artists in the world. Again, never confuse "style" with "talent."

[Atom_basher]

much too cartoony, sad thing is, i wouldnt even want to watch a cartoon that looked like this

[Owens 23]

much too cartoony, sad thing is, i wouldnt even want to watch a cartoon that looked like this

You would'nt watch a cartoon with hot X-Women wearing skimpy outfits and sporting swords, knives, and large guns? :eek: These are the elements that make a cartoon perfect.

[Shellhead]

What makes it "crap"? What specificially don't you like about his style of art?

For that matter, and this question goes out to ALL the people to say "his style isn't right for comic books", What defines comic book art to you? Comic artists run the gamut from Jack Kirby to Dave McKean to Alex Ross to Jim Mahfood- all are drastically different, yet all excel at what they do. Skottie Young is as technically proficient as any of them, yet i hear him criticized the MOST when it comes to whether or not his art is "comic art" or not.

An argument which i still find silly. So please, tell me what YOU think "comic art" is. Because i'd really love to hear it. (and if i seem overly defensive towards the naysayers of "cartoony" art, well... DUH.)

One specific problem that I have with Skottie as a comic artist is that his style is so extreme that it would slow down the pacing of a story, even in a frantic action scene, because he distorts things so far from what they really look like. So, in some scene where the focal point is that two characters are fighting, my mind might be wandering due to the weirdness of the art... is that his knee? Or his elbow? Wow, that's a really strange facial expression. Huh, her ass is about 10 times wider than her waist. Ugh.

So I think Skottie's art works better for standalone pictures, whether pin-up or CCG art. If he wants to tell stories with sequential panels, he's going to need to bring it back home to reality a little.

[DDM]

Scottie Young could be more effective as a comic book inker. Like Young, Kyle Baker has real cartoonish art, but I loved his inks in The New Mutants #40 to compliment Jackson Guice's pencils.

[Young Avenger]

I like Scottie Young's art. I think his art style would be better suited for a Marvel Adventures X-Men title then any of the mainstream titles.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Young's artwork is "comic book art" well that's YOUR opinion,

No, actually its not just my opinion. Storytelling an integral component of the medium. I don't know if you have completed any coursework in sequential story telling or comic book art, but there is a discipline. As in any discipline, there is a history and definitive criteria. With my limited exerperience of this criteria I am able to discern two things:

#1 Young's artwork is indeed "comic book art", and

#2, people who say his art isn't "good for comics" don't know what they are talking about.


You know... i've noticed that the majority of people who like Young's style for whatever book keep getting slightly nasty while posting.

Welcome to my primary field of study: psychology. The people who don't like Young's style aren't offering fair/constructive criticism: they are brashley bashing his work. Of course people who like his work want to defend Young, and most do so by attack the people attacking him. I wasn't one of the people attacking other people: I'm attacking their knowledge.


And about Madueira... his style is slightly "manga"...
"Slightly" manga? Have you ever seen Yoshiyuki Sadamot's (http://www.gpstore.co.nz/Manga/1470291.html) art work? Maduria rips this guy's style off just as bad as the rest of the American comic artists ripped off Maduria's work.


...it really doesn't look at all like Young's.

The point was that both artists have a cartoony style (versus the realistic stlye people in this thread are advocating). Maduria has a very cartoony style.

[Phoenix]

No, actually its not just my opinion. Storytelling an integral component of the medium. I don't know if you have completed any coursework in sequential story telling or comic book art, but there is a discipline. As in any discipline, there is a history and definitive criteria. With my limited exerperience of this criteria I am able to discern two things:

#1 Young's artwork is indeed "comic book art", and

#2, people who say his art isn't "good for comics" don't know what they are talking about.



Welcome to my primary field of study: psychology. The people who don't like Young's style aren't offering fair/constructive criticism: they are brashley bashing his work. Of course people who like his work want to defend Young, and most do so by attack the people attacking him. I wasn't one of the people attacking other people: I'm attacking their knowledge.


"Slightly" manga? Have you ever seen Yoshiyuki Sadamot's (http://www.gpstore.co.nz/Manga/1470291.html) art work? Maduria rips this guy's style off just as bad as the rest of the American comic artists ripped off Maduria's work.



The point was that both artists have a cartoony style (versus the realistic stlye people in this thread are advocating). Maduria has a very cartoony style.


I totally disagree with everything you're saying. I never said anything negative about Young's work. Neither did "most" others. They simply said it wasn't to their liking. I NEVER even said it wasn't "comic book art". From the beginning I said that I LIKED his work I just wouldn't like it in a 22 page format. That IS my opinion.

#2, people who say his art isn't "good for comics" don't know what they are talking about.

This line is BS. you can think it's good, and we can think it's not good. And there's nothing wrong with that. And NO ONE on this board has jumped down anyone's throat for liking his work. UNLESS it was in retaliation. And please don't tell me I wasn't offering fair/constructive criticism, because that isn't the case at all. I think you should go back and re-read the postings, because you are WAY off.

On top of that, I really liked the fact that you only took certain lines out of my post and only commented on those, which were obviously meant to be a part of a whole statement, JUST to try to make me look incompetent! Nice slimy ways there! Very politician of you!

Notice... all of your "quotes" are in this thread. OH THE CONCEPT!

[Mitsaso]

I wouldn't mind Young's cartoony art in an X-Book, as long as it matched with the book's mood. Books like Nextwave and New X-Men would be nice with that kind of art. If the book was going for something dark or down-to-earth, Young's art wouldn't be the right choice IMO.

And is there a specifically "proper" kind of art for comic books, anyway?
I don't see why Cassaday or Hitch, for example, are supposed to be the example of "proper comic book art". There are loads of different species of arts and they all have their own books to mesh with, depending on the mood. I, personally, happen to like Allred's "retro/pop-art" style. Using as an argument the fact that it pays homage to the silver era's comic book art, which is the "first and original" comic-book art, I could say that Allred's art is the "proper" comic book art right now.

But I won't. :p

Oh, and I don't see why someone would bash my girl Faded and say that she criticised Young's art while she couldn't tell Rachel for Domino apart! Check again the first page of this thread, darlings! Faded said she LIKED the art. ;)

[Zombienorthstar]

It's almost like this thread was anticipating Young's meteoric rise in the X-Books....creepy....

[The Mirrorball Man]

It's almost like this thread was anticipating Young's meteoric rise in the X-Books....creepy....

And it's well deserved. Skottie Young is an extremely skilled visual storyteller, he's able to adapt the way he works to the kind of series he's working on, and more importantly, he has a sense of STYLE, which so many "realistic" artists so dramatically lack.

I find more realism in cartoonish characters who show emotions that I can empathize with than with anatomically correct characters who look lifeless.

[Zombienorthstar]

And it's well deserved. Skottie Young is an extremely skilled visual storyteller, he's able to adapt the way he works to the kind of series he's working on, and more importantly, he has a sense of STYLE, which so many "realistic" artists so dramatically lack.

I find more realism in cartoonish characters who show emotions that I can empathize with than with anatomically correct characters who look lifeless.

I totally agree, sometimes people such as Cassidy have these horribly vacant looking characters.

[Flameworthy]

I totally agree, sometimes people such as Cassidy have these horribly vacant looking characters.

I've never liked Cassidy's art. I don't see what the big deal is. I'm really enjoying Skottie's work though. If you asked me year ago what I thought about it, I probably would have trashed it, but he's really grown on me, and I'm glad he's drawing New X-Men.

[Zombienorthstar]

I've never liked Cassidy's art. I don't see what the big deal is. I'm really enjoying Skottie's work though. If you asked me year ago what I thought about it, I probably would have trashed it, but he's really grown on me, and I'm glad he's drawing New X-Men.

The thing is as well Skottie is so changeable, it's still recogniseably him, but his art differs depending on the tone of the book.

[Mikl C]

I've never liked Cassidy's art. I don't see what the big deal is.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/colganmichael/LMFAO.jpg

[ExtraEpidermis]

I love Young's art. Plus he wants to draw a Generation X book so he gets even more cool points from me.

[Volk1]

I love his Trance.

Cute!:o

And his emo Hellion!

[Brett P]

Skotties #38 was just absolutely awe inspiring. I can safely say that New X-Men has never looked so good imo

[ToxicTeen]

I love Skottie's style. It's so unique and interesting. Plus it being "cartoony" is why I love it so much. So far I have Marvel Mangaverse: Spider-Man and New Warriors: Reality Check which I think are both good books IMO.

Most superhero comics I usually read/pick up always have a serious style towards it. Not that I'm staying I don't like the "serious realistic" style in superhero comics, it wouldn't hurt to have "cartoony" style for some of them. I mean, in the latest issue of New X-Men, Skottie manage to have a serious feel to it while sticking to his style. ;)

[Sentinel K]

What's this 'We' in the title?

I've always liked Young's artwork. It's ace.

[Karl H]

I've never liked Cassidy's art. I don't see what the big deal is. I'm really enjoying Skottie's work though. If you asked me year ago what I thought about it, I probably would have trashed it, but he's really grown on me, and I'm glad he's drawing New X-Men.

Cassaday's work on Planetary is awesome though. I suspect he's an artist who needs a lot of direction from a writer, which Ellis can give but Whedon may still be stuggling with in comics.

I still haven't seen enough Skottie Young to make a definitive judgement.

[Zombienorthstar]

What's this 'We' in the title?

I've always liked Young's artwork. It's ace.

So did i. Always a longtime fan...i meant on a main X-book....

[Lanowar]

I always liked his work sometimes it's a bit OTT but I think the concept of Limbo being this bizzare abstract place fits with the style young does.

[Callisto]

Skottie Young is such a distinctive artist i got the New Warriors: reality Check in trade today and it is incredibly...People say his cartoony style makes him unsuitable for an X-book...to that i present this evidence.

http://www.skottieyoung.com/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/478.jpg

that's the only remotely DECENT pic i've seen produced by skottie in his entire two issues of new x-men.

[Gene M.]

I wanna get some kinda operation that will let me have Skottie Young's babies.

[Brian M.]

I wanna get some kinda operation that will let me have Skottie Young's babies.

Ask Arnold and Devito.

[Scipio72002]

I think it's hard to say what does and does not work for comics, but I love Young's work. When he did X-Men unlimited with Blink and Nocturne it was amazing, because they looked uniquely his, which I like. IT is good to change things so every book does not look the same. From what I have seen of New XMen he fits in perfectly there, his Magik looks incredible

[diablo7]

i didn't care for his art years ago when i first saw it but i kinda like it now...i don't think it'd fit on any of the main x titles but a gen x book it could work on..

[Affinity]

I love Skottie Young! New X-Men has never looked so good. Sorry Brooks, Medina, and the cool fill in guy who made Nori look slick! He filled in on a Nimrod issue. Duncan Roleau? Loved him.

But Skottie is perfecto. I love it!

[Brett P]

that's the only remotely DECENT pic i've seen produced by skottie in his entire two issues of new x-men.

It's actually only one and a bit issues so far...and I don't see how you could think that Psylocke/Domino picture is better than those splash pages of limbo!