Green Arrow: Moving Targets TPB (collecting #40-50)

[UniqueFrequency]

Hi guys!

i just got this today, and i already had #40-45 in singles, but buying #46-50 in singles would be equal to the price of the trade, so i figured what the hell.

anyway it was nice to read Green Arrow again (I dropped it first time because Tom Fowler's art was spoiing it way too much for me), and generally, i liked it, save for 1 gripe:

Winick allows the baddies to be beaten too conveniently.

New Blood - least guilty of it. I didn't think of it when i read the issues in singles, but Brick is set up to be a major badass during the first few issues. However, he's taken out too easily with a glue arrow.

New Business - Team Arrow spends 2 issues shooting normal arrows at the Duke of Oil, before Ollie realises he should use an explosive arrow and BOOM. why didn't he use it ONCE he realised the normal arrows weren't working?

Also, the Riddler is built up to be ANOTHER baddass, with even Batman throwing in a warning, and before he can even DO anything, there's a 'perimeter breach' and he just leaves Roy and Ollie strapped to the tables when he has them in his clutches?! what's up with that?

what did you guys think about these 2 arcs, and Green Arrow in general?

[ChthonicSpirit]

I think the point of the Riddler was essentially to have Arrow get punked. A villain he thought was a joke takes him down without trying hard. But they can't actually have him tortured, because then he'd wind up back in the psychiatrist's office like he did during Mike Grell's run of the series.

As for the Duke of Oil? I don't care how he was eventually defeated, the creative team for this book are scraping the bottom of the barrel when they decide to use a cowboy robot.

Not really reading it for the action, I wasn't too put out by that stuff. However, I zoned out in disinterest when Mia was revealed to have HIV. Ollie was a dick about it, and the narrative abruptly broke so that we could be subjected to an eighth-grade health lesson, and then ninth-grade anti-dscrimination lesson. Christ almighty, does Winnick expect his audience to be incapable of independant thought? Does he think that every comic book fan is innately bigoted? If not, then why does he keep whacking us over the head with the Issue Stick?

EDIT: Sorry for such a negative post.

[dancj]

I've been mostly underwhemled by Green Arrow so far. The main exceptions were Archer's Quest and the City Walls arc.

How does this trade compare with City Walls?

[onenatv]

Well, this trade we see the return of my favorite Green Arrow Villian, Drakon. I think the writng is fine, I'm a little distracted by the new guy art. Other than that, it's entertaining.

[UniqueFrequency]

I've been mostly underwhemled by Green Arrow so far. The main exceptions were Archer's Quest and the City Walls arc.

How does this trade compare with City Walls?

i think City Walls was better. but it's been a long time since i read that

[UniqueFrequency]

I think the point of the Riddler was essentially to have Arrow get punked. A villain he thought was a joke takes him down without trying hard. But they can't actually have him tortured, because then he'd wind up back in the psychiatrist's office like he did during Mike Grell's run of the series.

As for the Duke of Oil? I don't care how he was eventually defeated, the creative team for this book are scraping the bottom of the barrel when they decide to use a cowboy robot.

Not really reading it for the action, I wasn't too put out by that stuff. However, I zoned out in disinterest when Mia was revealed to have HIV. Ollie was a dick about it, and the narrative abruptly broke so that we could be subjected to an eighth-grade health lesson, and then ninth-grade anti-dscrimination lesson. Christ almighty, does Winnick expect his audience to be incapable of independant thought? Does he think that every comic book fan is innately bigoted? If not, then why does he keep whacking us over the head with the Issue Stick?

EDIT: Sorry for such a negative post.

i agree that the Riddler taking him down is a point in itself, but still, for the threat he was made out to be, he should've been more.. threatening.

no disputes about Duke of Oil

I think it's not that they're bigoted, as much as ignorant on the matter of AIDS. it did come across as preachy, but if you read Pedro and Me it's really good stuff.

[handOFfate]

Meh. the series went to hell after Winick's second arc. They really need a creative change on this book.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Meh. the series went to hell after Winick's second arc. They really need a creative change on this book.


This book went to hell in a handbasket I think as well. Winick pretty much can't deliver the goods. I've read the rest of his GA run in the shop. Because I dropped it #45.

[UniqueFrequency]

quite a shame though. Winick can write good stuff when he wants to (I think his Batman run was good)