Must I go broke buying all of '52'?

[BoosterBronze]

I'm interested in '52' for one reason only.

BOOSTER GOLD

Does anyone know whether I'll be able to get just certain 'Booster-themed' issues or arcs, or will it be a more infuriating "2 pages of Booster per Issue" kind of deal? Cuz if I need to get them all, I need to start trimming my pull list to stay in budget,

[onenatv]

I think you might want to try Subscribtion. You get the whole thing for just a hundred bucks! pretty good deal don't you think? I know you might think that you only care about booster gold, but I'm confident after an issue or two, you'll care for other characters also.

[kane]

I'm interested in '52' for one reason only.

BOOSTER GOLD

Does anyone know whether I'll be able to get just certain 'Booster-themed' issues or arcs, or will it be a more infuriating "2 pages of Booster per Issue" kind of deal? Cuz if I need to get them all, I need to start trimming my pull list to stay in budget,

That is the reason i do not buy 52. I only care about one character and i don´t want to spend money on characters i am not interested into.

[onenatv]

That is the reason i do not buy 52. I only care about one character and i don´t want to spend money on characters i am not interested into.
Why don't you just give an issue or two a try, you might like them. Before Identity Crisis, nobody cared about Sue Dibny or Elongated Man, but the writing was so good you can't help but cared for them. With 52 you can be sure that the writing will be darn good. I really love how DC are taking chance with a lesser known characters, and with a creatives team like Morrison, Rucka, Johns and Waid, there's no way I'm passing this up. C'mon give it a try guys. :)

[Damo]

"You can get the entire thing for a hundred bucks! That's a pretty good deal, don't you think?"

Uh...

O_O

No?

I only collect a few titles, mostly because I am not exactly rich. And now DC wants me to shell out $100 for a series that they're pretty much making required reading if you want to tell what the hell's going on OYL? >_<

[Young Avenger]

I'm interested in '52' for one reason only.

BOOSTER GOLD

Does anyone know whether I'll be able to get just certain 'Booster-themed' issues or arcs, or will it be a more infuriating "2 pages of Booster per Issue" kind of deal? Cuz if I need to get them all, I need to start trimming my pull list to stay in budget,

I'm in the same boat as you. I'm only interested in 52 because the Question is in. I figure I will just buy the Question centeric issues and forgot the rest.

[shaxper]

I think you might want to try Subscribtion. You get the whole thing for just a hundred bucks! pretty good deal don't you think?


Where is this being offered?

[Meta 05]

I would like to know how long the 52 deal is going on for, that would make one hell of an idea for a present to stay in budget.I have my b-day in may so it may be to late by then.

[seaflower]

I think I will wait for the trades....

[onenatv]

Where is this being offered?

The subscription is being offer on DC site
here's the link
https://www.cambeywest.com/dcc/dccuniv.asp

[titanfan]

Is the Subscription Department at DC still as inept as it used to be? Does anyone subscribe to anything currently?

[Apathy Boy]

From the sounds of things, the Big Six will have plotlines running throughout the entire series and occasionally intersecting. So you likely won't have luck buying only the Booster Gold issues. (Which is a shame, because I'd dearly love to skip any issues starring Ren Montoya.)

However, 52 isn't just about Booster, the Question, Black Adam, Ralph Digby, Steel and what's-her-name. While those six are the ones who appear the most, the series is focused on the DCU in general. For example, recent solicitations suggest that an upcoming issue of 52 will focus on
Green Lantern, while another focuses on Donna Troy's team in space.

[SamuraiJack]

"You can get the entire thing for a hundred bucks! That's a pretty good deal, don't you think?"

Uh...

O_O

No?

I only collect a few titles, mostly because I am not exactly rich. And now DC wants me to shell out $100 for a series that they're pretty much making required reading if you want to tell what the hell's going on OYL? >_<

You don't have to pay out the cash in one lump sum. I don't think $2 a week is a big deal, honestly. As much as I've loved Crisis to this point, I think 52 is going to be better and I can't wait to start getting them...

[Zero Hunter]

From what the writers have said there are not going to be "arcs" on one character then another. All the plotlines will be running at the same time with each character getting some face time each issue. I am sure some characters might be a little more prominent in certain issues than others depending on the storyline at the time, but you will not see any all Booster or all Question issues or any of the others.

[BoosterBronze]

From what the writers have said there are not going to be "arcs" on one character then another. All the plotlines will be running at the same time with each character getting some face time each issue. I am sure some characters might be a little more prominent in certain issues than others depending on the storyline at the time, but you will not see any all Booster or all Question issues or any of the others.

Well, I guess DC has me by the short and curlies if I want to read what's likely the last major story for my favorite hero, the Boost. (I just KNOW he's the one they're gonna kill).

I guess with IC ending, and me dropping Teen Titans I should be able to afford '52', but I'll resent DC every issue that i have to read about Renee Montoya.

[Meta 05]

I am really excited about 52 , i have goten every crises related one shot to date, there really fun to read.

I just wonder if having the complete 52 series will ever be worth anything someday, all thou i doubt it.

[Mon-el]

My personal thoughts on 52?

When I first heard about 52. I was like great, super, fantastic, for a weekly comic. Plus the fact, that fans could really catch up on what happened during the 1 year later gap. I have read for so many years now, fans have wanted a comic that actually progressed in real time, and this was the chance that they would get.

Then something happened.

DC released this statement:

And if 52 wasn't exciting enough already, each issue will be priced at the special, low price of $2.50 U.S.

Now at the time, comics hadn't rose in price just yet again, and this was the sign that they was about too.

Now something you should know. I have never been affected by a price of a comic book. I buy a lot of comics each month, more than most, less than some. I can still easily afford paying the $2.50 per week or the $100 subscription offer. I was hoping before the price was released it would be around $1.50 or $1.75 price range. I know that Dc doesn't want to lose money on this venue and the deals with publishing and shipping.

I would have still bought 52 until I read the marketing blurb of "special, low price of $2.50". See heres the thing: I don't consider that a special low price for a weekly comic. For the first time in my life, after reading that blurb. I had to decide whether I really wanted to read it. I only want to read about Booster Gold, Elongated Man, only somewhat of The Question and Black Adam. I have no desire to read about Steel and Renee Montoya.

Now before anyone says I should try it out first, I try out many new comics each and every month, again I would have have still bought 52 until I read the marketing blurb behind it.

So I've come to a decision this is the first time ever. I'm going to have to pass on a comic that had characters that I wanted to read about.

[Meta 05]

"thoughts of a marvelite, semi Dcer"

I would have rather 52 been titled "AFTERSHOCKS" an been done in a 3.99 48 page format for 12 months, one issue a month.

It would have worked having four or 5 major plots affecting all chars for that year in the books.I think it would have been more condensed an cheaper on the loyal fans wallets.

We have marvel an dc each trying to out do each other on events right now.

Marvels civil war is 68 dollars on top of what i already read for the extra minis.

DC is really trying to bring people back to the fold with OYL,I may not be buisness savvy but doing a more exspensive mini then your competition and raising your prices at the same time isn't the way to do it if anyone marketing for dc had any common sense.

[soda]

So I've come to a decision this is the first time ever. I'm going to have to pass on a comic that had characters that I wanted to read about.

Quick comment on this: ten years ago, when comics were awful, if you'd have decided to pass on something like this because of a price tag on it, I'd have said you were crazy, but today, when there's so much good stuff out there, you shouldn't be buying anything you aren't absolutely crazy about. My personal take on 52: it has three issues, with me, three issues I'll wait for it to show me something (I doubt I'll have to wait more than one), before I drop it. I'm probably going to be getting all 52 issues of 52, if the quality holds up. To me, that's the important thing, will the quality hold up for 52 issues? Will it be on time?

[onenatv]

My personal thoughts on 52?

Now before anyone says I should try it out first, I try out many new comics each and every month, again I would have have still bought 52 until I read the marketing blurb behind it.

So I've come to a decision this is the first time ever. I'm going to have to pass on a comic that had characters that I wanted to read about.

That's your opinion and I respect that. On the other hand, I think 2.50 is a very low price for a comic right now, it's problably the lowest price on any 22 pages comic.

52 is a special event and DC could price them as high as 3.50-3.99, instead they decided on 2.50 and you're saying that this pissing you off?

I think the creative team on this project is the best in the business right now. Are you saying you want to pass on this project, when the best writers in comic. (Waid, Morrison, Johns, Rucka) are working on characters you really like?
I think people at DC are doing everything they can to make the fan happy. They put the best people they have on the project, they priced the comic at the lowest price possible, they're working real hard to make the comic come out weekly. I don't know what more can you ask for.
I hope you can put your bitterness behind you and just enjoy the comics. It'll be awesome. :)

[Gingold]

like them. Before Identity Crisis, nobody cared about Sue Dibny or Elongated Man.

.....Say what?

[Damo]

Before Identity Crisis, nobody cared about Sue Dibny or Elongated Man,

Say WHAT???

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're from a different generation of readers than me. Because, yeah, pretty much everyone that ever got on the Giffen League has people that care a lot about them. Just look at the sales for Formerly Known as the Justice League. Those are some healthy numbers.

And, sorry, but you're not going to convince me that the price tag for this isn't steep. I'm already stretching my wallet thin trying to get all the titles I like. To keep 52, I'm probably going to have to drop some titles that need my support to keep going. Not cool.

[Ravenheart]

Thats why I decided not to get 52.At the end of it all,it was just too much money to spend.

[onenatv]

Say WHAT???

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're from a different generation of readers than me. Because, yeah, pretty much everyone that ever got on the Giffen League has people that care a lot about them. Just look at the sales for Formerly Known as the Justice League. Those are some healthy numbers.

And, sorry, but you're not going to convince me that the price tag for this isn't steep. I'm already stretching my wallet thin trying to get all the titles I like. To keep 52, I'm probably going to have to drop some titles that need my support to keep going. Not cool.

OKay, please forgive my ignorance, what I meant to say was that Sue Dibny and Elongated man are less well known chracters and Identity Crisis really made them more popular.

I do understand that people have a limited budget, and I'm sorry if your budget won't allow you to get 52. But like I said, 2.50 for a 22 pages comic is the lowest price on the market, whether you can afford it or not is a different issue. Things can be fairly price and some people still might not be able to afford them.
For example, suppose someone decided out of goodness of his or her heart that he or she want to sell me a brand new Ferrari for $5000 bucks. I would say that's really cheap for a Ferrari, but I still can't afford it because I don't have $5000 bucks. Just because you can't afford something, doesn't mean that the price is steep.
I do respect your opinion and your dicision, it's your money after all. Have fun reading. :)

[Mon-el]

Quick comment on this: ten years ago, when comics were awful, if you'd have decided to pass on something like this because of a price tag on it, I'd have said you were crazy, but today, when there's so much good stuff out there, you shouldn't be buying anything you aren't absolutely crazy about.

Interesting.......

You could turn the clock back till 17-18 years ago(1988-1989) as well, when Action Comics Weekly came out(Issues 601-642) for the cover price of $1.50. Before the Internet days of finding out about upcoming comics. If Dc would have told me for the "Special, Low Price of $1.50 per Issue" back then even, I would take notice of how bad I really wanted to buy the series. Again this really wasn't an issue about Price of the book rather than the marketing behind the price.

I would then evaluate at who was really in Action Comics Weekly and if I wanted to persue that adventure. Luckily Action Comics Weekly had Black Canary, Catwoman, Blackhawks, Superman(the only character to appear in every weekly installment), Nightwing, Speedy, Phantom Stranger, Phantom Lady, characters that I really cared about. So I bought it.

Now if Action Comics Weekly showcased Wild Dog, Deadman, Secret Six,(which they did), but lets just say they featured those characters all the time, and only 1 or 2 characters I cared about. If the comic would have featured a minority of characters rather than majority I wanted to read about. I wouldn't have bought it.


To me, that's the important thing, will the quality hold up for 52 issues? Will it be on time?

Now that I can agree with. I hope that it is a good quality story that many enjoy. I'm just not taking this adventure with you.

[Mon-el]

That's your opinion and I respect that. On the other hand, I think 2.50 is a very low price for a comic right now, it's problably the lowest price on any 22 pages comic.

52 is a special event and DC could price them as high as 3.50-3.99, instead they decided on 2.50 and you're saying that this pissing you off?

I hope you can put your bitterness behind you and just enjoy the comics. It'll be awesome. :)

Ummmmmm.....o-o-okay? or better yet it's not really okay.

whoa....whoa.....whoa.....whoa.

First off Onenatv, I went back and re-read my post because after I read your post, I have this strange look of shock on my face at the moment.

Reason 1. I am neither pissed off nor am I bitter about the whole event. I don't understand where you got that impression.

Reason 2. I think in all my posts on CBR or any other forum I ever been too I have a total of maybe 5 posts where I am being negative about something, I always try to be postive about everything I write. I sit the majority of time silent agreeing or silent disagreeing about an Issue. I find it rather crass and rude to just keep making negative comments about something. It is too easy to tear a comic down than to constantly praise something.

Reason 3. I think you misunderstood the "tone" of my post. For that, It is probably my fault some where. I apologize before hand. I am neither condemning the comic before it hits the stand, nor am I saying that it's going to be a failure. I'm hoping it becomes a great success.

Reason 4. I am not picking up the comic due to the fact of Marketing blurb behind 52, actually, not the price. After I read the blurb I had to look at how bad I wanted to read it, but beforehand I would never done that until that blurb. When push came to shove I only wanted to read about 2 of the 6 characters. To me that's not worth it. We can talk about price if you would like. I do not believe anywhere in my initial post did I say that I thought $2.50 was a bad price for a 22 pg comic book.

Let's break the price down a little bit here.

2.50 x 52 = 130

or the better $100 subscription offer.

we know that main focus of the story is the not only the DCU but more importantly 6 of these characters. 2 of which I only want to read about. So that means after all this is over. Im going to get around a total of 8-9 Issues per character(if we average out page count per character to make a 22. pg comic).

So in my case after all said in done Im going to have 18 comics I want to read about, 34 I do not want to read about.

18 x 2.50 = 45 dollars
That means I would be paying an extra 85 dollars for comics I do want.

Ok lets look at it from the better Subscription offer, roughly what $2 a Issue or under that?

18 x 2 = 36
That means I would be paying 64 dollars for comics I do not want to read about.

Again, this is before the comic comes out, So Im just speculating on the stories beforehand. I'm not saying that the other stories could be just as enjoyable as the 2 characters I want to read about. I wish they would be all could be great.

I think the creative team on this project is the best in the business right now. Are you saying you want to pass on this project, when the best writers in comic. (Waid, Morrison, Johns, Rucka) are working on characters you really like?
I think people at DC are doing everything they can to make the fan happy. They put the best people they have on the project, they priced the comic at the lowest price possible, they're working real hard to make the comic come out weekly. I don't know what more can you ask for.

Ok, here's another thing, This isn't the first time I've gone thru a gap in time in my books so to speak. I went thru a 5 year later gap with Legion.

Another thing is I do not follow writers, artist or creators. I do not put writers, artists and creators on a celebrity pedestal. I do not buy Geoff Johns #247 starring Batman, or All Star Morrison #267 starring Mister America. If I want to read Batman written by Greg Rucka. I'm reading about Batman, not Greg Rucka as Batman. If your talking about the consistency of certain writers. I will give you that. That certain writers have a better track record with their ability to craft a story. And every writer has wrote at least something that is not as great as some stories either. Whether a certain writer is attached to a book, does not matter to me. Now I do admire these fine gentleman and women that craft good stories, they have given me many adventures with them. In the end of all if it is a good story regardless of who wrote it. Then it is still a good story, whether I read it from a 12 year old Jim Shooter down the block or from someone that has wrote many fine stories. That's the reason I do try to read so many different comics from different people. Because in the end it's about the story not about the people who wrote it.

Again, I'm not saying that this comic is the worst comic of all time. For 1 I haven't read it yet, Im only speculating, and Reason 2. the main point of my initial post was to say I wasn't going to read it in weekly form because of the Marketing Blurb behind it.

Do I think that 2.50 is a reasonable price for a Monthly comic: Yes

Do I think that 2.50 is a reasonable price for a Weekly Comic: No

Now I hope that this thing is rather great, because eventually I would like to read it down the line in a TPB form. :D

[Sir Tim Drake]

Why can't you skim through each issue at the store, and then decide whether you want to buy that issue or not?

(I know that some people don't approve of this practice, but given how DC is trying to bilk you out of a hundred and thirty dollars, I think it's justified.)

[Mon-el]

Why can't you skim through each issue at the store, and then decide whether you want to buy that issue or not?

(I know that some people don't approve of this practice, but given how DC is trying to bilk you out of a hundred and thirty dollars, I think it's justified.)

Actually theirs a simple reason for this.

I do not have the luxury of a local comic book shop.

My comic shop is over 2hrs away 120 miles to and 120 miles back. I often do not get enough time to get away each month, let alone each week. I'm lucky to be able to get enough time to get to my shop 1 time every 2 months. So it's not a very easy thing for me to do either.

Ever since the rising gas prices of last year. I've had to make adjustments to have my comics sent to me every week. Most of the time when everyone is discussing events that happen on Wendesdays, I usually do not get my books until Friday, or if its a short week less than 15 titles. I'll have them sent the next week.

[DarthAstuart]

Reason 4. I am not picking up the comic due to the fact of Marketing blurb behind 52, actually, not the price. After I read the blurb I had to look at how bad I wanted to read it, but beforehand I would never done that until that blurb.

i think this is a really valid point. DC advertises the "special, low price of $2.50," but the reason it's "special" and "low" is because THEY just raised all prices to $2.99 a book.

that's just a crappy marketing line. hell, why even bother to say that at all? they're doing ME a favor by keeping this book that will cost me $10 a month to buy at the same price all their books were two months ago before THEY decided to lower the price?

dumb.

full disclosure: i will buy 52, i'm very excited about it. it's just a lame marketing move. don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

[Bedlam66]

I would have still bought 52 until I read the marketing blurb of "special, low price of $2.50".

See all the Fighting with other People aside, your not going to pick up a book that you know your prob going to like, AND that you know you can afford because of a "Marketing Blurb". That's just downright Stupid no mater how you look at it.

[Mon-el]

See all the Fighting with other People aside,

Ummm, Please explain it to me to who I am actually fighting here. I see no fight, I see a discussion.

your not going to pick up a book that you know your prob going to like,,

How do you know I will like it? Again did you happen to read the 2 posts that I said that I only really cared about 2 of the 6 characters appearing in the comic?


AND that you know you can afford because of a "Marketing Blurb"..

Just because I can afford to buy a comic, doesn't mean that I have to buy it, Do I?

That's just downright Stupid no mater how you look at it.

Thanks for calling me stupid, nice conversation.

[Bedlam66]

Ummm, Please explain it to me to who I am actually fighting here. I see no fight, I see a discussion.



How do you know I will like it? Again did you happen to read the 2 posts that I said that I only really cared about 2 of the 6 characters appearing in the comic?




Just because I can afford to buy a comic, doesn't mean that I have to buy it, Do I?



Thanks for calling me stupid, nice conversation.

Your welcome. All of that aside my point was that for you it doesn't mater if your going to like it or not, and it doesn't mater if your totally not interested in 2 of the chars. You not picking up the book because of a "Marketing Blurb" That's not a good reason to not pick up a book. if you weren't at all interested or you didn't like the creative team, or even if you hated all the chars involved I could see the point of not picking up a book like 52 because it's a huge commitment as far as comic books go. And for those of you that are asking about if you'll be able to only pick up the Blank char Issues they have already said tht the bok isn't writen like that so I don't think your going to be able to single out one char to read about during 52.

[Mon-el]

All of that aside my point was that for you it doesn't mater if your going to like it or not,.

Hmmmm weird. I thought I actually bought comics because I liked them. Stupid me has been buying comics all these years becasue It doesn't matter whether I like them or not. Again thanks for the insight.


and it doesn't mater if your totally not interested in 2 of the chars.
You not picking up the book because of a "Marketing Blurb"

Again, You seemed to have missed the conversation, somewhere, it's because of that "marketing blurb" I had to evaluate whether I wanted to pick it up the series or not. Again, I want the comic for only 2 characters not 4, seemed to have missed that part, as well.


That's not a good reason to not pick up a book. if you weren't at all interested or you didn't like the creative team, or even if you hated all the chars involved I could see the point of not picking up a book like 52 because it's a huge commitment as far as comic books go.

Exactly the point, 52 is a Huge commitment. Thanks to the way it was marketed for that special low price. I have changed my mind about getting the said comic.

[Leebenhouse]

I don't feel that $2.50 is special nor is it a low price. If it was 2.00 an issue i'd go for it, but $2.50? I can't afford another title least of all another weekly title.

Sorry DC, but I'm a no-go.

[milhouse123321]

2.50... that's $5 Australian, which is something I just can't get into... too bad

[ShaggyB]

ok as it pretains to booster and 52....

wizard recent issue states 52 will be a hodgepodge of stories, each containing more than one character. each having what seems as short stories. Each issue will end and the next will happen a week later, a few exceptions ofcourse but the multi-writers want to stay away from the old hero opens the door has a shocked look.... to be continued approach to story telling

so basically all or nothing for your love of booster, no one issue being booster and one being steel or black adam.

as to the 2.50 tag.......
this is not a low low price. period. I read Robin and Nightwing and both are 2.50 so i save nothing by adding 52 to my list of pulls. Now in comparison to IC, 3.99 tag (hell i buy both covers sooo ouch 5.98 for me), it is 1.49 savings and therefore is a bargin. Regardless of how you look at it, either pay for it now, buy the trade later, or dont worry about it. boards will keep you up to date and oyl issues will reveal more as 52 moves onward.


elongated man and sue, well ill say this, before IdentityCrisis I didnt know much about sue and elongated man was not a character i actively followed. Hes gonna have to impress fast for me to like (never fear though tedd blue beetle kord did it in one issue and then died, sad, so it can happen with good writen)

[monkeyjunkie]

My personal thoughts on 52?

When I first heard about 52. I was like great, super, fantastic, for a weekly comic. Plus the fact, that fans could really catch up on what happened during the 1 year later gap. I have read for so many years now, fans have wanted a comic that actually progressed in real time, and this was the chance that they would get.

Then something happened.

DC released this statement:

And if 52 wasn't exciting enough already, each issue will be priced at the special, low price of $2.50 U.S.

Now at the time, comics hadn't rose in price just yet again, and this was the sign that they was about too.

Now something you should know. I have never been affected by a price of a comic book. I buy a lot of comics each month, more than most, less than some. I can still easily afford paying the $2.50 per week or the $100 subscription offer. I was hoping before the price was released it would be around $1.50 or $1.75 price range. I know that Dc doesn't want to lose money on this venue and the deals with publishing and shipping.

I would have still bought 52 until I read the marketing blurb of "special, low price of $2.50". See heres the thing: I don't consider that a special low price for a weekly comic. For the first time in my life, after reading that blurb. I had to decide whether I really wanted to read it. I only want to read about Booster Gold, Elongated Man, only somewhat of The Question and Black Adam. I have no desire to read about Steel and Renee Montoya.

Now before anyone says I should try it out first, I try out many new comics each and every month, again I would have have still bought 52 until I read the marketing blurb behind it.

So I've come to a decision this is the first time ever. I'm going to have to pass on a comic that had characters that I wanted to read about.


Thats really not a good reason to not try out the series, That blurb was almost certainlycreated and written by someone who had nothing to do with the creation of the actual comic

[soda]

Interesting.......

You could turn the clock back till 17-18 years ago(1988-1989) as well, when Action Comics Weekly came out(Issues 601-642) for the cover price of $1.50. Before the Internet days of finding out about upcoming comics. If Dc would have told me for the "Special, Low Price of $1.50 per Issue" back then even, I would take notice of how bad I really wanted to buy the series. Again this really wasn't an issue about Price of the book rather than the marketing behind the price.

I would then evaluate at who was really in Action Comics Weekly and if I wanted to persue that adventure. Luckily Action Comics Weekly had Black Canary, Catwoman, Blackhawks, Superman(the only character to appear in every weekly installment), Nightwing, Speedy, Phantom Stranger, Phantom Lady, characters that I really cared about. So I bought it.

Now if Action Comics Weekly showcased Wild Dog, Deadman, Secret Six,(which they did), but lets just say they featured those characters all the time, and only 1 or 2 characters I cared about. If the comic would have featured a minority of characters rather than majority I wanted to read about. I wouldn't have bought it.







interesting....

Good discussion, BTW, I think that what we have here is a "generational gap". I've been reading comics, on and off, for 15 years now (started in 1990, skipped most of the 90s, picked up again in 2001), and when I look for what I want to buy in a comic, the characters featured in said comic *rarely* are what I'm looking to buy. I hate Black Mask, with a venengence, and Nightwing is probably my favorite DCU character. I buy a lot of DC comics, but I don't get any of Nightwing's titles (I don't get Outsiders, and I don't get his book, Nightwing), even though he's my favorite character. To me, a book having my favorite character isn't enough to make me want to buy it. That's because Judd Winnick (a writer who I abhor, I won't touch his stuff) writes Outsiders, and Devin Grayson (a writer who I don't have a high opinion of, I met her once, she came to our store, and she's a really nice lady, and mensa-level smart, but she's not a great comic book writer) has written Nightwing pre-OYL, and I didn't like what Jones did with Nightwing OYL (will stay on for another issue, and hope things improve, but I'm not optomistic). I love Dick Grayson, but the guy needs some gosh darn writers! If they put a good writer on Nightwing (if Chuck Dixon took over the book again), I'd buy it every month in a heartbeat. To me, I largely buy writers, these days. Sure characters I'm interested in are great, but a terrific writer (Gail Simmone) can make also-rans really cool (Catman). That's why I'm really looking forward to 52, not because it stars the lackluster cast of Black Adam, Renee Montoya, The question, booster gold, steel and the elongated man. Who cares about that?!? I'm getting it because Geoff Johns, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid and Grant Morrison are writing it. Those are four of my favorite writers in the business, that's why I'll be picking this up.... Now, if only they could work Nightwing into this somehow, then I'd really be happy.

[soda]

double post

[Damo]

OKay, please forgive my ignorance, what I meant to say was that Sue Dibny and Elongated man are less well known chracters and Identity Crisis really made them more popular.

It might have made them more well known with a younger generation, but they're sure as heck not more popular. One's dead, the other's... well, The Elongated Man. Who really can't work for any great length of time as a dead serious character.

[Gentlegamer]

That is the reason i do not buy 52. I only care about one character and i don´t want to spend money on characters i am not interested into.
I think one of the points of the series is to get you interested in more characters.

[Jolly Mon]

Thats really not a good reason to not try out the series, That blurb was almost certainlycreated and written by someone who had nothing to do with the creation of the actual comic

What I don't understand is several times people have stated "that's not a good reason for not buying the comic". I don't think any of these folks needs to justify their decisions here or elsewhere. I'm not going to buy 52. I'd like to, just like I'd like to be able to buy every cool toy that comes out or the volume of comics I used to. But while $2.50 is ok (not great, just ok by comparison to recent price hikes) for a 22 page comic, it's $10 a month. Is there any other comic that asks us to commit $10 a month (more, really, because some months will have 5 weeks) regardless of page count? Cool concept, might have good stories, no characters that I really care about, for more per month than ever? Pass. Maybe the library will get the trades and I'll read them for free.

And if that's not a good enough reason, too bad.

[onenatv]

I guess the idea is that the creative team would make 52 so good, people can't wait for the next issue.
If your favorite comic book(just insert your favorite title here) come out weekly are you going to buy it? I think my head will explode with excitement if that really happen. For me, to wait a month is just too long for my favorite title.
Yes, it cost you more money a month, but you'll also get more of comic greatness, it'll be a money well spend, judging by creators behind it.

[Mon-el]

interesting....

Good discussion, BTW, I think that what we have here is a "generational gap".

I incline to agree with that assessment. I also think it is a good discussion. Your absolutely right, I do come from a different generation from today readers.

This is slighty off topic:

Their are several reasons why I am quite envious of younger readers.

Venues - A younger reader has a "voice" nowadays compared to when I was young. You have outlets such as message boards and various ways of communication such as instant messaging, blogs, magazines out the wazzo, and so forth, about comics. You can come to a message board and share your feelings with many people from around the world. You can actually talk to the writer, artist or creator such as Gail Simone, and many other people in the business. The closest thing I had when I was young was discussing comics at school with only a couple of people. I maybe had 1 or 2 magazines, or I had to read the letters in the back of the issue months later to find out what people's feelings was about a comic.

Fresher Eyes - What I mean by this is that a younger reader (someone that hasn't been doing this as long as I have) has a fresher unique look on a comic rather than me. A younger reader most of the time (in my case) can catch something or have a slightly different opinion, and I welcome that at any cost.

Ability to purchase - On this one it's kind of self explanatory. A younger reader has the ability to read stories alot faster nowadays, due to trade paper backs industry. A reader can purchase the story in full not long after the stories ran in the actual comics. The closest thing I had when I was young to TPB's was 95 cents pocket sized Blue Ribbon editions. Or the closest thing I had to read reprints in was if the Issues was collected and stuck in as filler issue (like sometimes they did in Adventure Comics). Also many outlets such as ebay and the rest of online marketplaces. A younger reader has the opportunity to be able to purchase comics faster. The best I could hope for when I was young, was to actually send off for a catalog from the ads right beside the Atlas, Sea Monkeys ads in comics. Then in 6-8 weeks, usually 12 weeks, you could order missing comics and then again 6-8 weeks, usually 12, you would get your comic.

Entertainment Industry A younger reader today, can be exposed to so many different outlets such as movies, cartoon shows, and video games. The best I had to hope for was to wake up early on Saturday morning to watch a few cartoons. For movies at the time I only had a handful of Tv/movies, a couple of Movie Serials, and listen to Radio programs.

For me personally, Their was a excitable level when I got into this hobby. I wanted to find out about everything I could about every character and every story, when I first started. I had no comic shops, I bought most of my comics from the newstands, a grocery store, and a pharmacy. I say it took me roughly maybe the first 5 years into it. Again, I didn't have the outlets like today's readers. So therefore I had to purchase and form my own opinoins about stories. I wasn't able to just come to a message board and ask something I didn't know. I had my own personal adventure finding out for myself.

To me, I largely buy writers, these days. Sure characters I'm interested in are great, but a terrific writer (Gail Simmone) can make also-rans really cool (Catman). That's why I'm really looking forward to 52, not because it stars the lackluster cast of Black Adam, Renee Montoya, The question, booster gold, steel and the elongated man. Who cares about that?!?

Again, I can understand from that point of view. If someone buys a comic for a writer. I can understand. Though it's not my personal choice. I can't say or tell anyone to do with their own money.

I don't think I've stated anywhere or forcing anyone or pushing the agenda for anyone to not to pick up 52. Actually, I'm hoping it is a very good book. I explained why, for me personally, why I wasn't going to share in this venue of this caliber and I got called stupid.

I do care about Booster Gold. In 86-87 I read his own title and thought it was great. I think I kept his and Blue Beetle series in my locker, in 7th grade( I think), the entire year. I would pull them out in class and re-read them all the time.

I'm getting it because Geoff Johns, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid and Grant Morrison are writing it. Those are four of my favorite writers in the business, that's why I'll be picking this up.... Now, if only they could work Nightwing into this somehow, then I'd really be happy.

I think those 4 are some of the top writers in the business. I cannot dispute that, at all. Again, just because a certain writer is attached to a story doesn't automatically make it a great story.

For the sake of discussion of getting back on topic with 52.

Let's throw a hypothesis out:

A brand new spanking 7 year old reader wants to start reading comics. This person followed Infinite Crisis, and now has the bug and wants to read about 52. Now me, you, and everyone else here at CBR already know what we like. We have already formed opinoins of certain writers, artists. This person doesn't know a Geoff Johns from a kid down the street, he doesn't know Grant Morrison to a Jim Morrison or anything these people have written. He/She hasn't been in the game enough to form attachments. He/She just wants to read the comic. I have no ideal what someone at the age of 7 can purchase. Maybe someone can explain that too me.

I'm wondering does anyone think that $100 or the $2.50($130 U.S.)seems rather excessive for a new 7 year old reader?

[onenatv]

First of all Mon-el, I believe I've misread the tone of your post, I didn't mean to say that you're having some bitterness toward the industry. For that, I apologize.
I personally think that $2.50 is not too much money for a 7 years old kid to have weekly. However, I believe 52 is NOT for a 7 years old kid. DC have a separate comic line for kids (Johnny DC).
It's hard to say how much money kid should be allow to spend on what they want each week. Some parents lets their kids spend hundreds on a yu-gi-oh cards. That's problably too much money. for me, 2.50 a week doesn't sound too bad.

[soda]

Again, I can understand from that point of view. If someone buys a comic for a writer. I can understand. Though it's not my personal choice. I can't say or tell anyone to do with their own money.
.....
I explained why, for me personally, why I wasn't going to share in this venue of this caliber and I got called stupid.


Again, I personally buy writers, I'm not really that interested in the characters of a book, I'm most interested in whose writing it. For the record, I'm also not really interested in who draws a book. Alex Ross and Jim Lee are about the only two guys who can get me to buy a book just because their drawing it, and even then, if Judd Winnick, or AJ Liebermann or Chuck Austen was writing, I'd probably pass if Lee was drawing it. I don't think there's any writer whose bad enough to get me to pass on Alex Ross art, though. There are also only a couple of artists whose presence can make me drop a book, Rob Liefield is one, I love Jeph Loeb, but I'm not getting the Loeb-Liefield marvel book because of whose drawing it. Liefield's art on Teen Titans (written by Simmone) was horrible, impossible to follow. The other guy is this artist who used to draw Robin (I dropped Robin after this issue), his art made every panel look like a salvadore dali painting. I don't care how good the story is, if the art is so visually confusing that it makes my head hurt, I'm passing.

And for the record, I would never tell anyone what to do with their money, and I think you're very far from stupid.




I think those 4 are some of the top writers in the business. I cannot dispute that, at all. Again, just because a certain writer is attached to a story doesn't automatically make it a great story.

For the sake of discussion of getting back on topic with 52.

Let's throw a hypothesis out:

A brand new spanking 7 year old reader wants to start reading comics. This person followed Infinite Crisis, and now has the bug and wants to read about 52. Now me, you, and everyone else here at CBR already know what we like. We have already formed opinoins of certain writers, artists. This person doesn't know a Geoff Johns from a kid down the street, he doesn't know Grant Morrison to a Jim Morrison or anything these people have written. He/She hasn't been in the game enough to form attachments. He/She just wants to read the comic. I have no ideal what someone at the age of 7 can purchase. Maybe someone can explain that too me.

I'm wondering does anyone think that $100 or the $2.50($130 U.S.)seems rather excessive for a new 7 year old reader?

Here's what I would say about your scenario, $100 does seem rather excessive for a seven year old, until you realize that it's one comic, every single week, for an entire year, then, at that point, $100 doesn't seem so bad (if your a parent, and you know how expensive kids stuff is these days, you know what I mean).

My rebuttal to you're other point would be this, I think the key premise is:

"Again, just because a certain writer is attached to a story doesn't automatically make it a great story."

to me, it does. Here's what one of my comic book guy's favorite sayings is:

"there's total freedome of opinion in this store, you can like a book, or not like a book, unless you don't like something written by Frank Miller, then you're just wrong."

We have this thing in our store, it's called the wonder twins theorem, basically, there are some writers out there that we have such a high opinion of, that if said writer held a press conference tomorrow and said "yeah, I'm doing a wonder twins book, challenge of the super friends left so many unanswered questions about Stan and Jayna, just how does one transform into water to trip up bad guys? Where did Gleek get the bucket?" We'd totally buy that comic book, just because that writer writes it. To us, Paul Dini (the guy taking over 'tec next) is one of those guys. I bought all those issues of "Jingle Belle" for only one reason: because the cover said 'written by Paul Dini'. Frank Miller is also totally that guy. Ed Brubaker is becoming that guy. Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison and Gail Simmone make that list. Jeph Loeb has been that guy, to me, for years. These days, that's how I decide what to buy, by whose writing it.

BTW, as an aside, I wanted to say that I found your summary of why you envy newer fans to be interesting. Me personally, I'm a big believer in montly comics. True stat, Marvel gears their entire line towards book stores and trades, DC has been notoriously sloppy with it's trades, yet, in the last year, Marvel sales of trades fell (3%) while DC trade sales increased (4%). This would be one thing if there was a huge gap between the two, but while marvel was ahead, there wasn't really. Why? Marvels sales of trades fell because they are a company that's only interested in trades, DC's sales increased because they've made a committment to comics in the monthly format. My local comic book shop guy has always told me that if you produce quality monthly comics, people will buy them, and as a result, you'll sell more trades, than if you're just a company focused on the trade. So, while the trade market is a nice feature of our modern market landscape, I don't ever want to lose the importance of the single issue.

[Mon-el]

First of all Mon-el, I believe I've misread the tone of your post, I didn't mean to say that you're having some bitterness toward the industry. For that, I apologize.

Don't worry about it Onenatv. :)

Sorry it took so long to respond I've been gone for a couple of days.

Like I said earlier. It's probably my fault, so for that I apologize to you. I know I'm not the best of writers on here, and most of the time I remain rather quiet. I sometimes forget that I lurk too much around here.

I personally think that $2.50 is not too much money for a 7 years old kid to have weekly. However, I believe 52 is NOT for a 7 years old kid. DC have a separate comic line for kids (Johnny DC).

Very Interesting...........

The thought of the Johnny Dc line hadn't really occur to me. I am kinda of wondering though why you do NOT believe 52 is for a 7 years old kid?

[The Dark Knight]

If you order 52 directly from the DC website...

a) Are you charged for S&H?

b) If an issue comes out every Wednesday, when you do receive it AT YOUR HOUSE?

[TommyV]

I guess with IC ending, and me dropping Teen Titans I should be able to afford '52', but I'll resent DC every issue that i have to read about Renee Montoya.

So you likely won't have luck buying only the Booster Gold issues. (Which is a shame, because I'd dearly love to skip any issues starring Ren Montoya.)


What's with the Renee Montoya hate? I haven't read Gotham Central, but from what I understand it's an excellent series. Is she a boring character or something?

[wellsoul2]

If you order 52 directly from the DC website...

a) Are you charged for S&H?

b) If an issue comes out every Wednesday, when you do receive it AT YOUR HOUSE?

Actually if you order your comics from a subscription service online you can
get 52 for $1.50 an issue. $1.74 for a $2.99 issue.

Pardon the plug (I have nothing to do with them) but that's what I do.

I use www.dcbservice.com (I used to use mailordercomics but this one is cheaper) Most even bag and board them for 10 cents each more.

Course it only makes sense if you buy many not one book with shipping.

[The Dark Knight]

Anyone know about the official DC site for price? And when it will get to your house relative to when it releases?

[onenatv]

The thought of the Johnny Dc line hadn't really occur to me. I am kinda of wondering though why you do NOT believe 52 is for a 7 years old kid?

Well, 52 target audiance are teenagers and adults. Let me put it this way, compare to movie, 52 problably rated PG-13. It will contain violence and material that's not suitable for a 7 years old. For example, one of the main characters is Rene Montoya, A good cop who's a lesbian and have a drinking problem. Another main character is Black Adams, who believe in corporal punishment.
52 problably deal with those issues in some degree, I don't think a seven year old is ready for those kind of stuffs.

[enediol]

well, this thread has been interesting. I myself wasn't going to follow "52" and I wasn't even going to scounge up the necessary funds for its weekly commitment but then I read how Black Adam is going to be featured more frequently and all of a sudden, dropping All Star Batman/Robin and a few others doesn't seem so bad.

Too bad DC's 1 year later stories have been so great.

[glennsim]

What I don't understand is several times people have stated "that's not a good reason for not buying the comic". I don't think any of these folks needs to justify their decisions here or elsewhere. I'm not going to buy 52. I'd like to, just like I'd like to be able to buy every cool toy that comes out or the volume of comics I used to. But while $2.50 is ok (not great, just ok by comparison to recent price hikes) for a 22 page comic, it's $10 a month. Is there any other comic that asks us to commit $10 a month (more, really, because some months will have 5 weeks) regardless of page count? Cool concept, might have good stories, no characters that I really care about, for more per month than ever? Pass. Maybe the library will get the trades and I'll read them for free.

And if that's not a good enough reason, too bad.

I think it you're going to tell people in a discussion forum why you're not buying it, you have to be prepared for people to discuss that reason.

They should do it in a respectful manner, of course. But if you don't want someone to critique your opinion, it's usually best to keep it to yourself. If anything, the fact that others' disagree with you might provide an explanation for why DC is publishing something that you don't want to buy...

In my opinion, not buying it because you don't have the bucks is a good reason. Not buying it because you're not interested in a sufficient number of the characters for it to be worth it to you is a good reason. Not buying it because of the phrasing of a marketing blurb is not a good reason. In my opinion.

And, of course, your reason for not buying it has no direct correlation with whether or not DC was right to publish the book at that price, with those characters, or whatever else they are doing that you don't like, since a great many people might feel otherwise.

Just my opinion.

[Lorendiac]

I'm not planning to buy any individual issues of 52. Wait until it's collected in trades, and then I'll think about it.

I don't know how likely this is to happen, but I keep wondering what DC is going to do if, about five or six months down the road, it becomes clear that sales of 52 as a weekly product are crashing down into the cellar? Keep publishing it for another six months, another 25 or 26 issues or so, regardless? (I also keep remembering that when they tried to turn "Action Comics" into "Action Comics Weekly," back around 1988, the experiment definitely lasted less than a year before they pulled the plug on that particular grand failure.)

[glennsim]

I'm not planning to buy any individual issues of 52. Wait until it's collected in trades, and then I'll think about it.

I don't know how likely this is to happen, but I keep wondering what DC is going to do if, about five or six months down the road, it becomes clear that sales of 52 as a weekly product are crashing down into the cellar? Keep publishing it for another six months, another 25 or 26 issues or so, regardless? (I also keep remembering that when they tried to turn "Action Comics" into "Action Comics Weekly," back around 1988, the experiment definitely lasted less than a year before they pulled the plug on that particular grand failure.)

I think they're stuck with 52 issues. They just might lower the bar on the artists, letting some newer, unproven, cheaper talent do the work.

[soda]

I don't know how likely this is to happen, but I keep wondering what DC is going to do if, about five or six months down the road, it becomes clear that sales of 52 as a weekly product are crashing down into the cellar? Keep publishing it for another six months, another 25 or 26 issues or so, regardless?

I think DC is married to 52 issues of 52. I mean, how ridiculous would it be to publish 26 issues of 52, and then announce the book was cancelled do to poor sales? I agree with Glenn, 52 will most certainly go the entire 52 issues. However, fear not, for I don't think it's humanly possible for 52 to possibly sell as badly as "blood of the demon", so I don't think your scenario has very much chance of happening. Just look at the great creative talent on 52, DC sure has busted everything out for this one.

I think the bigger question with 52 isn't "will it sell?" I think the big question is "will it come out on time to avoid being 62, or 72, in real time?"

[Lorendiac]

I think DC is married to 52 issues of 52. I mean, how ridiculous would it be to publish 26 issues of 52, and then announce the book was cancelled do to poor sales?

I was looking at it from the other direction. How ridiculous would it be, if you were an editor, to have to go into your boss's office and say, "Boss, these sales are so lousy that if this were a regular monthly title, we'd probably announce we were pulling the plug on it, with that decision going into effect about three issues from now. But because it's called 52 and because it comes out weekly, I guess we'll just have to grin and bear it as we continue to publish twenty-six more issues of a title that's falling flat on its face!"

Mathematically, that would be the same thing as deciding a monthly title was a lost cause, and then continuing to spend the company's money to publish it for another two years and two months -- 26 more issues! -- before cancelling it.

I think the bigger question with 52 isn't "will it sell?" I think the big question is "will it come out on time to avoid being 62, or 72, in real time?"

I admit I've wondered about that too -- but if it's going to fail at all, I would (for some odd reason) like to see it fail as spectacularly as possible, instead of just having "delays in shipping." I don't know what that says about my psychology. :(

[soda]

Let me just say that, for the record, I think 52 is a monumental creative risk on the part of DC, and that I think DC isn't getting enough credit for just how big a creative risk this is. Like you've pointed out, this thing could fall flat on it's face, if the creative people behind were less than what they are, it probably would, and 52 is a pretty herculian task, even for the people DC has on it.

That all being said, I think 52 will be a spetacular success. I see this as a gamble worth taking, and I think DC has the people to make it work. Shyguy pointed out, in our other thread, that DC has a marketing blitz of epic proportions behind 52, while that's certainly true, and while that certainly does help, it is four comics a month. In this industry, with the quality level it's at right now, I think that if the quality isn't there, issue in and issue out in 52, that book will be one of the first on a lot of people's budgetary chopping block:

1) because axing 52 isn't like dropping one book, it's like dropping four. Dropping 52 means you can afford, potentially, four other cool books you like.

2) if the series drops in quality, a lot of people will just wait for the maxi-trade, which should be a great value. 52 has to keep readers, every single week.

Yeah, this is a huge creative gamble. A lot of things could work against this one, but ultimately, I think this will be about quality. If you can give the comic book community something it has never had before (a weekly series, that gives people a reason to go to the shop every single week to find out what happens in this week's episode of 52), and if you can make that work, you could really do wonders for your entire line. If you put together great story, and great art and a compelling storyline that people want to follow every single week, people will buy this in droves.

I don't know what it says about you that you'd like 52 to be a huge flop, maybe it's that you fear that if this works, other companies (marvel) will put out weekly comics, and strain budgets. Or maybe it's just the effort of having to follow a weekly comic. I don't know. I do know that I'll be getting 52, that I think it will be mostly on-time (it will probably be 58, or 61, by the time it's all said and done), and that it will be a huge success for DC. However, that's just how I call this. I've been known to be wrong.

[Lorendiac]

I tried to reply last night, but I didn't realize (until it was too late) that the forums were down for repairs or something. Let's try again! :)

Let me just say that, for the record, I think 52 is a monumental creative risk on the part of DC, and that I think DC isn't getting enough credit for just how big a creative risk this is. Like you've pointed out, this thing could fall flat on it's face, if the creative people behind were less than what they are, it probably would, and 52 is a pretty herculian task, even for the people DC has on it.
Let me say, for the record, that I tend to agree with you about their deserving full credit for taking such a risk. I don't think I made that clear earlier, although, as you mention, I did talk a bit about what I perceived as some of the potential risks that could get very embarrassing if things went the wrong way.

I don't know what it says about you that you'd like 52 to be a huge flop, maybe it's that you fear that if this works, other companies (marvel) will put out weekly comics, and strain budgets. Or maybe it's just the effort of having to follow a weekly comic. I don't know. I do know that I'll be getting 52, that I think it will be mostly on-time (it will probably be 58, or 61, by the time it's all said and done), and that it will be a huge success for DC. However, that's just how I call this. I've been known to be wrong.
Slow down! I think you misunderstood me. I never said, "I hope and I pray that 52 will fail miserably. That is the only acceptable outcome. Unless it fails miserably, I will be heartbroken." Believe me, if that were what I meant, then I would be perfectly capable of saying so, in plain English. But I didn't say so. I don't actually spend my free time praying for DC to suffer one business disaster after another. Honest! :)

What I said was: "but if it's going to fail at all, I would (for some odd reason) like to see it fail as spectacularly as possible, instead of just having "delays in shipping.""

Note that word "If." It's important. It means I was just playing around with different possibilities, instead of committing myself to one particular outcome as being the only way to go :)

I think what I was getting at was that, as a general rule the way I see it, if things go wrong, a Big Failure is probably going to be much more interesting to watch than a Small Failure. A World War is inherently more "interesting" or "entertaining" than a minor border skirmish out in the middle of nowhere, in which about three soldiers get wounded, and then it's all over, period, no more conflict in that region for the next ten years!

(Let's face it: There have been tons and tons of movies, novels, TV shows, etc., set in various parts of World War II. I can't think of many that dealt with a minor border skirmish somewhere in which just three people were wounded, and then everybody shrugged and said, "Let's call the whole thing off!" and peacefully went home again!)

Does that mean I am hoping and praying that World War III will start tomorrow morning? No. And if it did start, I would naturally hope and pray that I, and my loved ones, would not get killed or badly hurt by it. But -- like millions of other people -- I would probably find the war news in the media very interesting even though I was grateful I personally wasn't out there on the front lines in the middle of a pitched battle.

[Lonewalker]

Must I go broke buying all of '52'?

No. But that's just me.

[Lorendiac]

No. But that's just me.

If it makes you feel better: Not just you! I'm right with you on that one! And I believe there are more of us lurking about!

I said earlier that I don't plan to spend a penny on it in the individual weekly issues. I might end up buying a TPB collection someday . . . or I might not bother! :)

[soda]

Slow down! I think you misunderstood me. I never said, "I hope and I pray that 52 will fail miserably. That is the only acceptable outcome. Unless it fails miserably, I will be heartbroken." Believe me, if that were what I meant, then I would be perfectly capable of saying so, in plain English. But I didn't say so. I don't actually spend my free time praying for DC to suffer one business disaster after another. Honest! :)

What I said was: "but if it's going to fail at all, I would (for some odd reason) like to see it fail as spectacularly as possible, instead of just having "delays in shipping.""

Note that word "If." It's important. It means I was just playing around with different possibilities, instead of committing myself to one particular outcome as being the only way to go :)
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Oh, I know what you were saying, I think you misunderstood my reply. I didn't mean to insuate that you were hoping 52 fails miserably, notice, I never made that accusation in my post, because I knew that that wasn't what you were driving at. I know exactly what you mean when you say you'd either want a spectacular success, or a spectacular failure, but not a minor failure. From years as a sports fan, I know that there are many games I've watched where I've thought "please don't let this be a close loss, my nerves can't take it. Let it either be a win, or a spectacular failure, so that I can go home early." Although, I've never heard it put that a spectacular loss would be more "interesting" than a close loss. That's a new one on me, but I guess one that's true.

[DarthAstuart]

No. But that's just me.

actually, that's not true.

you MUST go broke buying all of 52. congress just passed legislation.

[ShaggyB]

Why would you want this to fail?

(other than extreme hate of dc comics)

"Tis a fine idea" thats all im gonna say for now. I want to read a month or two of it

[ShaggyB]

oh yeah, as to the op's question.

no need to go broke, blood bank my friend, once a week 30 bucks, 15 min of your life and a cookie.....

but if you hate needles..... yes, yes you must go broke

[glennsim]

oh yeah, as to the op's question.

no need to go broke, blood bank my friend, once a week 30 bucks, 15 min of your life and a cookie.....

but if you hate needles..... yes, yes you must go broke

Now that would be interesting...

"DC announces the publication of a new book, featuring a story by Geoff Johns, and art by George Perez, Phil Jiminez, and Jim Lee, that is only available to those who give one pint of blood at their local Red Cross."

Granted, the eBay sales would go crazy, but it might do some good along the way.