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Lorendiac
04-04-2006, 05:46 PM
I'm looking for cases where a DC superhero let a known criminal, probably with outstanding warrants on him, walk away free so that he could commit his crimes again in the future if he happened to feel like it.

I want stories that were "in continuity" when they came out -- even if they later got retconned. For instance, if someone can think of a good example from the Earth-1, Pre-Crisis Superman's continuity, then let me hear about it! :) On the other hand, I'm not really interested in anything that was presented from the start as being part of an Elseworlds or "Imaginary Story."

I'm not interested in cases where a hero failed to catch the villain -- but had made a sincere effort. I want cases where he did catch the villain (or obviously could have) but then basically shrugged and let the guy run off. Maybe because he felt sorry for him, maybe as part of a "deal," maybe for no reason that actually makes sense when you think about it for more than two seconds. I'll take whatever I can get! :)

Two Examples

1. Adventures of Superman #590. At President Lex Luthor's request, Superman flies to Bialya to rescue an American journalist, Andrew Finch, whom the dictator of Bialya has tossed into a cell on charges of being an assassin sent to kill the dictator himself (Colonel Ehad Rajak). At one point, Supes, Finch, and Rajak are all in the same room, and Finch suddenly grabs a gun and tries to blow Rajak away. With his super-reflexes, Superman easily catches the bullets in midair and finally, belatedly, realizes that sometimes U.S. citizens who end up charged with crimes in a Third World dictatorship really are guilty of the crimes in question! It wasn't just slanderous propaganda on Bialya's part!

Superman carries Finch back home to the USA and leaves him on the front lawn of the White House, thereby helping an attempted murderer make a clean getaway from the nation in which he had just attempted to commit murder in front of witnesses. (Strongly implied is that this guy was a secret agent on special orders from President Luthor.)

I personally would have expected Superman to shake his head sadly after the shooting and say to Finch, "You idiot! I was giving you the full benefit of the doubt -- but after you just tried to commit murder right in front of me, I think it's time for me to shut up and let Bialya handle its own law enforcement. Any fool can see you're guilty of attempted murder! I think their local justice system can handle such an open-and-shut case just fine!"

2. I'm not absolutely clear on the timing here, but I have the impression that sometime between Catwoman #96 (the final issue of the previous series) and Catwoman #1 (the first issue of the current series), Selina Kyle apparently cut some sort of deal with Batman in which she assured him she had turned over a new leaf and wasn't going to support herself as a jewel thief anymore. So he decided to tolerate her declaring one portion of Gotham City as her own turf where she would be the primary costumed crimefighter. (I think. Bear with me - it's been a long time since I read the first six or eight issues of her current title.)

To the best of my knowledge, she did not offer to return previously stolen property to the owners (or to the insurance companies that had already reimbursed the owners, or whatever). Nor have I heard that the zillions of outstanding criminal charges against her, in various jurisdictions, have been dropped. (If I'm wrong, and most or all of the old charges against her were officially dropped for some odd reason, someone please tell me! :))

So Batman basically knows she has committed zillions of burglaries and other crimes in the past, and those charges have never been "resolved" (such as her standing trial and being declared guilty and serving out a prison sentence?), but on his own initiative he decided to just snap his fingers and tell her he wouldn't even try to arrest her anymore.

To do Batman justice, I should mention that if I've got the timing right, then at the time he first agreed to let Selina run loose as a "crimefighter" or whatever she called herself, they weren't actually dating. So that wasn't his reason for going easy on her.



NOTE: A few weeks ago I asked this same question about past occasions in Marvel continuity. Now I'm asking about DCU continuity. (And after this, I may actually write my intended Superhero Panel Discussion about when it is a good idea to do this.)

rfahey
04-04-2006, 07:40 PM
Well, Batman let Dr. Leslie Thompkins go recently. He did banish her from the city, and it's unlikely that she would be a repeat offender, but there you go. He was also pretty lenient on Azrael.

Calybos
04-05-2006, 01:15 PM
Didn't we already see this same topic in the Marvel section?

What's the project here--a paper on vigilantes or something?

Damo
04-05-2006, 01:17 PM
You're in luck, I happened to have these handy - Catwoman "Year Two" issues 38 39 and 40. Catwoman, as part of a criminal scheme, sets Two Face, the Penguin free, (and maybe the Joker?). They commit some crimes, people get killed. She help Batman catch them saying "well, yeah, I meant for them to go and commit come crimes, in order for me to do some criminal stuuff, but I didn't mean for them to kill anyone" and he basically lets her get away at the end.

And yet I still prefer the old series to the new one. "I've reformed and become a superhero!" my butt.

Lorendiac
04-05-2006, 02:20 PM
Didn't we already see this same topic in the Marvel section?

What's the project here--a paper on vigilantes or something?

Yep, you did see it over in Marvel's section a few weeks ago. As I acknowledged in the final paragraph when I started this new thread. I also explained in that final paragraph that I'm seeking material to use when I write a Superhero Panel Discussion about when it is proper to turn loose a dangerous criminal.

(Similar in concept to the humorous piece I posted a few months ago in which a group of heroes were offering their answers to the question of "When is the correct time to share your secret identity with your Significant Other?" Some of the answers were ridiculous, but all of them were based on things those heroes have actually done in previous stories. For instance, Barry Allen married Iris Allen with no intention of ever telling her he was the Flash. By the time he finally changed his mind on that point, she had long since figured it out on her own (he talked in his sleep sometimes) and had patiently been humoring his childish efforts to keep her in the dark. :))

dancj
04-06-2006, 05:25 AM
There was a story in (I think) the Jurgens/Ordway/Stern era of Superman where he was on a jungle island and had lost his memory, getting married to the natives and wotnot. Anyway there was a villain there - possibly Toyman - who'd also lost his memory. At the end of the story Supes decided that losing his memory had given him a clean slate and left him there. Sorry I haven't got any issue numbers, but there was a very memorable Jon Bogdanove cover

Agentum
04-06-2006, 07:14 AM
Isn't that what they do everytime?

The supervillians at least is soon out and kill again, forever and ever.

But without them superheroes wouldn't have much work so maybe it's all an understanding between the parts:D

Sean Whitmore
04-06-2006, 01:32 PM
The Teen Titans have let Deathstroke go numerous times. This was during Slade's "good guy" phase in the 90's. But no matter how many times they teamed up against a common enemy, Slade never paid for any of his crimes, and the Titans didn't seem to mind after awhile.

Even more recently, Nightwing has let Deathstroke go a few times. During one fight, he stopped Slade from killing someone by offering him more money than his employer had. Though to be fair, this is not because Dick has gone soft, but because he probably doesn't believe he could beat Deathstroke if he tried.


SEAN

Lorendiac
04-06-2006, 05:14 PM
Isn't that what they do everytime?

The supervillians at least is soon out and kill again, forever and ever.

But without them superheroes wouldn't have much work so maybe it's all an understanding between the parts:D

I don't see it as the same thing, at least not legally. If Batman catches the Joker and hands him over to the authorities, who lock him up in Arkham Asylum, then according to the law of the land Batman did exactly the right thing. He didn't murder the guy; he just made a "citizen's arrest" of a notorious threat to society, and let the system take it from there.

On the other hand, if Joker was currently a wanted man, and Batman caught up with him somewhere and then said, "Heck with it, I'm a busy man and I just don't feel like arresting you today, no matter how many people you've killed," that would be much harder to justify.

Lorendiac
04-06-2006, 05:55 PM
There was a story in (I think) the Jurgens/Ordway/Stern era of Superman where he was on a jungle island and had lost his memory, getting married to the natives and wotnot. Anyway there was a villain there - possibly Toyman - who'd also lost his memory. At the end of the story Supes decided that losing his memory had given him a clean slate and left him there. Sorry I haven't got any issue numbers, but there was a very memorable Jon Bogdanove cover

By sheer coincidence, I read that story arc for the first time in my life just within the last month or so! :)

Which is why I can pin it down for you: It was published in late 1991. The amnesiac villain who landed on a remote South Seas island alongside the amnesiac Supes was "Mister Z." Because of their mutual loss of memory, the story arc that included these island scenes was called "Blackout."

As near as I can tell after a quick online search, these were the issues that actually said "Blackout" on the cover, in chronological order, if anybody reading this wants to go dig them out and read or reread them.

Adventures of Superman #484
Action Comics #671
Superman: The Man of Steel #6
Superman #62
Adventures of Superman #485

lucifernomi
04-06-2006, 05:55 PM
Even more recently, Nightwing has let Deathstroke go a few times. During one fight, he stopped Slade from killing someone by offering him more money than his employer had. Though to be fair, this is not because Dick has gone soft, but because he probably doesn't believe he could beat Deathstroke if he tried.


SEAN


Moreover, at the end of Nightwing and Ravager's "team-up," he makes a deal with Deathstroke to stop trying to turn Ravager into a good person and leave them alone in exchange for Deathstroke keeping his people out of Bludhaven. That lets two high-level assassins off the hook.

kane
04-06-2006, 05:58 PM
Batman and Talia

Batman and Bane

Batman and Catwoman

Lorendiac
04-06-2006, 06:06 PM
Moreover, at the end of Nightwing and Ravager's "team-up," he makes a deal with Deathstroke to stop trying to turn Ravager into a good person and leave them alone in exchange for Deathstroke keeping his people out of Bludhaven. That lets two high-level assassins off the hook.

Ouch. I don't think I had heard about that one. (As you might guess, I haven't actually bought any issues of the Nightwing title since shortly after Devin Grayson took over.)

Sounds like perfect material for me to use in my Superhero Panel, though! It should be interesting to see how Dick defends this particular decision when some of his fellow heroes call him on it :)

lucifernomi
04-06-2006, 10:48 PM
Ouch. I don't think I had heard about that one. (As you might guess, I haven't actually bought any issues of the Nightwing title since shortly after Devin Grayson took over.)

Sounds like perfect material for me to use in my Superhero Panel, though! It should be interesting to see how Dick defends this particular decision when some of his fellow heroes call him on it :)

It's in Nightwing #116, for the record. At the time it actually seemed like a really good idea. Of course it backfired pretty bad shortly later when the society decimated the city anyway. You just can't trust super-villians anymore, can you?

ChthonicSpirit
04-21-2006, 06:12 AM
In the Case of Batman and Catwoman - was she not, in fact, sent to jail once? It was after No Man's Land, and As I recall Commisioner Gordon wanted there to be no crime whatsoever, so he decided to make an example of her. Batman wasn't thrilled, especially when the truth was revealed about the correctional facility she had been sent to. That whole affair may have convinced him to leave well enough alone.

Sean Walsh
04-21-2006, 10:14 AM
Well, Batman let Dr. Leslie Thompkins go recently. He did banish her from the city, and it's unlikely that she would be a repeat offender, but there you go.

I believe I've read that Bruce Wayne - at some point after that - tipped authorities off to where her trail was. He didn't give them the specifics of where she was, so it gives her a chance to escape and basically be "on the run" from now on...