Captain Canada?!?! WTF???? *spoilers* possible BS

[static]

ok i know its a rumor collum..i know its often wrong...

Lying in the gutters today reported the idea behind the new Alpha Flight book post Civil War....


The new Alpha Flight series will be manned by American heroes who have moved to Canada as a result of the government legislation enacted in the 'Civil War' megacrossover. It plays off the history of Americans escaping the draft during the Vietnam War, as well as recent declarations by certain people that they'd move to Canada if Bush was re elected (and then not). It's politically observant, satirical, colonialist and intentionally controversial. And leading the team? Captain America, obviously.


there is no way in hell ..no matter how bad American policy got...that Captain America would leave the US behind!! he would stay here and fight for his civil rights or be an underground patroit! he would never just leave...hell no ...never not for a minute....

this had better be BS...

[Haunt]

ok i know its a rumor collum..i know its often wrong...

Lying in the gutters today reported the idea behind the new Alpha Flight book post Civil War....


The new Alpha Flight series will be manned by American heroes who have moved to Canada as a result of the government legislation enacted in the 'Civil War' megacrossover. It plays off the history of Americans escaping the draft during the Vietnam War, as well as recent declarations by certain people that they'd move to Canada if Bush was re elected (and then not). It's politically observant, satirical, colonialist and intentionally controversial. And leading the team? Captain America, obviously.


there is no way in hell ..no matter how bad American policy got...that Captain America would leave the US behind!! he would stay here and fight for his civil rights or be an underground patroit! he would never just leave...hell no ...never not for a minute....

this had better be BS...

why not? Canadians don't have the 'american spirit? they don't care about democracy, freedom, or the usual stuff? Cap's not much of a hero if all he cares about are americans, imo.

[Web_Spinner]

Actually, that'd be pretty sweet if Captain America became Captain Canada for a while.

He is all about Freedom and the American values, etc...

Civil War registration would be an infringment on the civil right to freedom of person.

Would be interesting, his costume could replace the blue parts with black and have a leaf rather than a star on his shield. And of course, change the A on his forehead to a C.

Could be interesting, so long as he would eventually return to America.

And maybe Wolvie would join him and act as team leader, as voted by the rest of the team. That could be an interesting dynamic to write! Wolvie dishing orders to Cap! I could just see him grinding his teeth..."yes...wolverine..."

[Haunt]

Actually, that'd be pretty sweet if Captain America became Captain Canada for a while.

He is all about Freedom and the American values, etc...

Civil War registration would be an infringment on the civil right to freedom of person.

Would be interesting, his costume could replace the blue parts with black and have a leaf rather than a star on his shield. And of course, change the A on his forehead to a C.

Could be interesting, so long as he would eventually return to America.

And maybe Wolvie would join him and act as team leader, as voted by the rest of the team. That could be an interesting dynamic to write! Wolvie dishing orders to Cap! I could just see him grinding his teeth..."yes...wolverine..."

Logan did lead Alpha Flight before he became an X-Man. not too farfetched. and i don't think Cap has to change his costume at all. there's nothing wrong with him being proud of the red white and blue.

[The Shadow]

why not? Canadians don't have the 'american spirit? they don't care about democracy, freedom, or the usual stuff? Cap's not much of a hero if all he cares about are americans, imo.
I agree.

Cap would represent Canada well... and we, in turn would embrace our temporarily transplanted hero!

And we're carriers of the "truth Justice and CANADIAN way" motto ya know!

It's not only Americans that have the basic rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! The northern neighbours also went that route and have defended themselves and stood up for the rights of others MANY times.

[dingo]

Not having seen much of Civil War yet I don't think I can comment on how balanced it is, but looking in from the outside it seems to me to be a huge kick in the nuts to America today to say even Captain American would have had enough and would leave.

[Crimson]

Cap went without a country a few years back... to be honest, Cap is more "Captain Western World" than anything.

Him going to Canada for a while does nothing to harm the character. Infact it would strengthen him a bit, showing that he isn't just an crazy patriot who takes in anything his government dish out (We know he's not as the reader, of course).

I wouldn't be against.

[The Fury]

there is no way in hell ..no matter how bad American policy got...that Captain America would leave the US behind!! he would stay here and fight for his civil rights or be an underground patroit! he would never just leave...hell no ...never not for a minute....
Like I've said before, he's not leaving it behind. He's just on in it.

He still believes in it's ideals. It does not matter from where he is doing this. Canada, Britain, France or Isreal...doesn;t matter. He's still Captain America and still believes in it's ideals.

It's actually just silly specualtion thgat he'll change his name to Captain Canada. And He's dropped the America part before and fought for it's ideals still, (See The Captain and Nomad).

[Arilou]

The ironic thing is, of course, that in most of the rest of the Western World superpowered individuals would probably *already* be registered (if only for healthcare reasons).

[Twigglet]

Do you think this A on my forhead stands for America?

[Jack]

Heh. The idea of heroes moving to Canada to escape registration is great, I really like it, though there are problems with it.

I don't see Cap changing his name to Captain Canada... There's nothing in the name to say that Captain America necessarily stands for the United States of. His costume might need some slight changes. And hey, A can stand for America, Avengers and Alpha Flight.

[DoubleShot]

Captain America can go back to wearing his black costume for a while and let USAgent (the tool that he is) take the mantle of Captain America. Agent would probably like it anyway. I could see him leaving if only for a little while. With more heroes in Canada it will be interesting to see if any villanous plans come to fruition.

Not to hijack your thread, but I had started a similer thread about what team you would like to see. You can find it here. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=116554)

[Tony Starkz]

I think this is an awesome idea if true.Relax guys,just because Cap is going to lead Alpha Flight doesn't mean he's all of a sudden going to become Captain Canada and wear Red & White.

I hope this is true.

[Gnarl]

Captain North America?

I suspect this has more to do with the chance of getting publicity and mentions in the papers than Caps character anyway.

In the UK, superheroes have to wear helmets. Health and Safety regulations.

[Violently Apathetic]

It's so sad that even an unsubstantiated rumor like this makes me kinda giddy in a deeply embarrassing fangirl kinda way. 'Yay, Canada is getting some superhero beefcake that isn't a hairy midget!'

[unkiedev]

I think this is an awesome idea if true.Relax guys,just because Cap is going to lead Alpha Flight doesn't mean he's all of a sudden going to become Captain Canada and wear Red & White.

I hope this is true.
Wow, I'm agreeing with Starkz on something. ;)

I think this is a great idea, too! Captain America is one of comics ultimate badasses. He represents an ideal. Sometimes the guy needs to get the hell out of America to really be the symbol of America.

I hope he kicks some hippie deserter butt while he's up there!

[static]

i cant believe everyone is missing the point! its not about him changing geographical areas...its about America (and Americans) having a crisis of civil liberties and the paragon of those liberties throwing in the towel and deserting his people!! Cap would stay and fight injustice not run from the problem!! When he bacame the captain and Nomad he stayed to fight..sometimes against the very govt itself to preserve the ideals he stands for! leaving the country is running from the good fight and cap wouldnt do it!

[The Shadow]

'Yay, Canada is getting some superhero beefcake that isn't a hairy midget!'
LMAO

We also have Wolverine ya know!

[The Shadow]

i cant believe everyone is missing the point! its not about him changing geographical areas...its about America (and Americans) having a crisis of civil liberties and the paragon of those liberties throwing in the towel and deserting his people!! Cap would stay and fight injustice not run from the problem!! When he bacame the captain and Nomad he stayed to fight..sometimes against the very govt itself to preserve the ideals he stands for! leaving the country is running from the good fight and cap wouldnt do it!
When he became The Captain and Nomad he was making a point... if he's FORCED to leave I think that's something else. And sometimes a strategic retreat is necessary to help with the overall war. Hell, General George Washington would retreat after a quick battle to conserve weapons, bullets and people... and we all know how the American Revolution turned out!

[unkiedev]

i cant believe everyone is missing the point! its not about him changing geographical areas...its about America (and Americans) having a crisis of civil liberties and the paragon of those liberties throwing in the towel and deserting his people!! Cap would stay and fight injustice not run from the problem!! When he bacame the captain and Nomad he stayed to fight..sometimes against the very govt itself to preserve the ideals he stands for! leaving the country is running from the good fight and cap wouldnt do it!
This is all based on a spoiler from LITG, it could eventually be proven untrue. As this plot point is the ONLY thing we know about this potential story, we can't really assume what the point of the team, its goals and members, or where they're going with the story.

Maybe Cap and Co. are going to hang in Canada and strike politically at the Congressional oppressors.

Maybe Cap is going to self-exile himself rather then raise a hand against his friends.

Maybe the American people will vote for the Registration Act. Cap does respect the Democratic process. There have been plenty of times he didn't like choices our country makes, but maybe this goes too far, and rather then try to sway people he's letting folks stew in their own juices.

-Don't count your cap chickens before they hatched. I think there is a great deal of potential here.

[BlackKnight]

When he became The Captain and Nomad he was making a point... if he's FORCED to leave I think that's something else. And sometimes a strategic retreat is necessary to help with the overall war. Hell, General George Washington would retreat after a quick battle to conserve weapons, bullets and people... and we all know how the American Revolution turned out!

My problem with this idea, is not that Cap would leave the country and can see him doing that to help his friends, but that it seems that the team is going to be sponsored by the Canadian Goverment and called Alpha Flight.

How in the world does that make sense. Call the comic the Champions, have it be about american heroes on the run from the registration act, lead by Cap, and poof almost all the issues that fans are having with this idea would go away.

[XPac]

I do think there's logic in many heroes leaving the US for Canada to escape persecution. Cap however would not be one of those heroes that would do it for long. He might do it to avoid initial conflict... but I don't think he'd stay up there and set up house with Alpha Flight. Again, SOME heroes might... but not Cap.

And I sure as hell don't think he should or would change his name to Captain Canada. That notion is too ridiculous for me to even entertain (no offense to Canadians... but a bit C on his head and a maple leaf on his chest and shield just wouldn't work).

[The Shadow]

but that it seems that the team is going to be sponsored by the Canadian Goverment and called Alpha Flight.

How in the world does that make sense.
Well, the premiere Canadian Superhero team is government run called Alpha Flight. If Cap were to offer his services in Canada chances are he would be ut on the ONE team we have.


Call the comic the Champions, have it be about american heroes on the run from the registration act, lead by Cap, and poof almost all the issues that fans are having with this idea would go away.
Then you'd have a bunch of illegal's in the country. At least with government intervention they can do it properly.

And why on earth would you want to recycle an old name like The Champions when it has nothing to do with the original series?

At least pick a new name!

[BlackKnight]

Well, the premiere Canadian Superhero team is government run called Alpha Flight. If Cap were to offer his services in Canada chances are he would be ut on the ONE team we have.



Then you'd have a bunch of illegal's in the country. At least with government intervention they can do it properly.

And why on earth would you want to recycle an old name like The Champions when it has nothing to do with the original series?

At least pick a new name!

Why would you want to recycle an old name like Alpha Flight, when it has nothing to do with the orginal besides the country.

A new name would be just as good to me.

[The Shadow]

Why would you want to recycle an old name like Alpha Flight, when it has nothing to do with the orginal besides the country.
But it's not recycling anything.

The Canadian Governments team is Alpha Flight... regardless of who is on it or leading it.

Also, Alpha Flight is still active... it's not like they've been gone for 25 years.

[BlackKnight]

But it's not recycling anything.

The Canadian Governments team is Alpha Flight... regardless of who is on it or leading it.

Also, Alpha Flight is still active... it's not like they've been gone for 25 years.

True and true, and this leads back to my problem with the comic, I don't see Captain America working as the leader of another nations super team.

Once again, if this was a super team, of American heroes on the run from the registration, that was not afflitated with the candian goverment, and the comic was not called Alpha Flight, then most of the problems that people have would be gone.

[Kirk G]

Do you think this A on my forhead stands for America?
"What'da think this A on my forehead stands for..... France?"
no, not quite right...
"What'da think this A on my forehead stands for... Canada?"
still not right...
"What'da think this C on my forehead stands for.... France?"

Yeah, that sounds right. :D

[XPac]

Well, the premiere Canadian Superhero team is government run called Alpha Flight. If Cap were to offer his services in Canada chances are he would be ut on the ONE team we have.



Then you'd have a bunch of illegal's in the country. At least with government intervention they can do it properly.

And why on earth would you want to recycle an old name like The Champions when it has nothing to do with the original series?

At least pick a new name!

Bendis did actualy create an opening to reuse the name Champions if they ever felt like using it. Cap has Champion status... Peter even made a crack about joining the champions.

[ednemo]

All I know is, if Cap goes to Canada be better keep those damn Canadian pennies out of my country!!

[Shellhead]

All I know is, if Cap goes to Canada be better keep those damn Canadian pennies out of my country!!

Canadian pennies? It's the canadian quarters that are the bane of my existence. I swear that those special state-edition quarters are just part of canadian plot to swindle me out of some of my laundry quarters.

[The Shadow]

True and true, and this leads back to my problem with the comic, I don't see Captain America working as the leader of another nations super team.
Why not?

The value system he believes in isn't restricted to the United States!

[BlackKnight]

Why not?

The value system he believes in isn't restricted to the United States!

Captain America has never given up on the US of A or its people. This would doing exactly that.
Sorry it is not in Caps charater, believe what you want, but I have given many reasons why it does not work, both in comic and for the fans, you just keep saying why not.

bye

[Tony Starkz]

i cant believe everyone is missing the point! its not about him changing geographical areas...its about America (and Americans) having a crisis of civil liberties and the paragon of those liberties throwing in the towel and deserting his people!! Cap would stay and fight injustice not run from the problem!! When he bacame the captain and Nomad he stayed to fight..sometimes against the very govt itself to preserve the ideals he stands for! leaving the country is running from the good fight and cap wouldnt do it!

We don't even know the premise of the story yet and you're already assuming he's just going to throw in the towel and run.Let's save these assumptions for a little bit after CW #1.

[BlackKnight]

We don't even know the premise of the story yet and you're already assuming he's just going to throw in the towel and run.Let's save these assumptions for a little bit after CW #1.

And you are assuming it is going to be awesome, how is someone having a bad feeling about this any different then someone having a good feeling.

[The Shadow]

but I have given many reasons why it does not work, both in comic and for the fans
Where?

:confused:

[The Shadow]

And you are assuming it is going to be awesome.
WHAT?

We don't even know the premise of the story yet and you're already assuming he's just going to throw in the towel and run. Let's save these assumptions for a little bit after CW #1.
He says outright WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING... and Let's save these assumptions

Where does he say it's going to be awesome in that post??????????? :confused:

[BlackKnight]

Where?

:confused:

Lets see, I have shown in the past where Cap has worked as a vigilante without leaving the country, I have showed how working with another goverment is not in his nature.

Outside of the MU, I have shown that using the name Alpha Flight is causing more trouble then if they had used champions or some other name.

Because you don't like or can't except reasons, does not mean they have not been stated, or that they are any less valid then your ideas. Sometimes I think you forget that.

[BlackKnight]

WHAT?


He says outright WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING... and Let's save these assumptions

Where does he say it's going to be awesome in that post??????????? :confused:

Try reading some of his early posts, and his posts on the Civil War board, regarding this same subject before you go off the deep end...

Man you really need to calm down, don't you.

[The Shadow]

I have shown in the past where Cap has worked as a vigilante without leaving the country
Quote of link to thread please.

I have showed how working with another goverment is not in his nature.
Quote of link to thread please.

Outside of the MU, I have shown that using the name Alpha Flight is causing more trouble then if they had used champions or some other name.
LOL

No, YOU think it's causing problems... but the fact is that the Canadian Superhero team run by the government is called Alpha Flight. You haven't shown ANYTHING to the contrary. IF (and I say IF!) Cap joins a Canadian team the ONLY choice is Alpha Flight.

I'm gonna use part of YOUR quote! "Because you don't like or can't except reasons, does not mean they have not been stated, or that they are any less valid then your ideas." It just seems... appropriate at this moment!

Sometimes I think you forget that.
:rolleyes:

[The Shadow]

Try reading some of his early posts, and his posts on the Civil War board
I try and avoid spoilers... how many posts have you seen from me in the Cival War board? Answer: 0 (ZERO... nadda... none). I thought this thread was about a new hero that's why I entered it.

before you go off the deep end...
:rolleyes:

Man you really need to calm down, don't you.
The one think I know is I don't need YOU telling what I do and do not need.

Thanks. :rolleyes:

[BlackKnight]

Quote of link to thread please.


Quote of link to thread please.


LOL

No, YOU think it's causing problems... but the fact is that the Canadian Superhero team run by the government is called Alpha Flight. You haven't shown ANYTHING to the contrary. IF (and I say IF!) Cap joins a Canadian team the ONLY choice is Alpha Flight.

I'm gonna use part of YOUR quote! "Because you don't like or can't except reasons, does not mean they have not been stated, or that they are any less valid then your ideas." It just seems... appropriate at this moment!


:rolleyes:

LOL, you really don't read posts do you. I have said that I have a problem with Cap running a team run by the another goverment, many others have as well. The name Alpha Flight lends credence to the idea that Cap will be doing just that, which is not in charater for Cap.

Many times I have said that if the comic was called Champions or some other name, and was just a comic about American heroes on the run form the registration act without a goverment affliation, then it would handle most of the problems people have with the comic.

Obviously I was not referring to you, because you love change for the sake of change.

As for you links, read this thread and the thread on the Civil War board on the same topic. After that, well I really just don't feel the need to prove my point to someone who does no want to listen.


bye

[BlackKnight]

I try and avoid spoilers... how many posts have you seen from me in the Cival War board? Answer: 0 (ZERO... nadda... none). I thought this thread was about a new hero that's why I entered it.


:rolleyes:


The one think I know is I don't need YOU telling what I do and do not need.

Thanks. :rolleyes:

Well, it is not, so why are you still posting... *confused*

[The Shadow]

LOL, you really don't read posts do you.
Depends on if the post is in an area I'm avoiding. :rolleyes:

The name Alpha Flight lends credence to the idea that Cap will be doing just that, which is not in charater for Cap.
Again I ask why not? The values Cap stands for are not strictly American.

then it would handle most of the problems people have with the comic.
What "problems" are you referring to? You must have an advanced copy of the book if you know what the problems are and how to solve them.

Obviously I was not referring to you, because you love change for the sake of change.
LOL

When have I even said that? I said change is not always a bad thing... that's why I didn't have a problem with the New Avengers. I can let go of the past long enough to give something else a try.

As for you links.. thread on the Civil War board on the same topic.
You asked me if I read the posts... do YOU? I already said I don't go into the Cival War forum.

After that, well I really just don't feel the need to prove my point to someone who does no want to listen.
Because you don't have a point to prove... you just have your opinions... unless you DO have an advanced copy of the book... but I doubt it.

[The Shadow]

Well, it is not, so why are you still posting... *confused*
... what the hell does THIS mean?????? :confused: :confused:

Sometimes reading your posts gives me a headache.

[CaptainAwesome]

I wouldnt have a problem if cap left the country for a while, but becoming the premier super hero of another country is just wrong. He should keep the name Captain America though, because he doesnt represent the Government, he represents the people.

[Tony Starkz]

And you are assuming it is going to be awesome, how is someone having a bad feeling about this any different then someone having a good feeling.

It's best to stay positive without specifics than to jump to specific conclusions during a stage when this book is still a rumor.

And yes,it will be awesome if it get's made.

[Tony Starkz]

Try reading some of his early posts, and his posts on the Civil War board, regarding this same subject before you go off the deep end...

Man you really need to calm down, don't you.

First off,I couldn't care less what you sourpusses say about this project or Marvel in general.Of course I'm excited for CW and I think it's going to be awesome.Is that wrong?Just because I'm happy about the subject it all of a sudden takes away the credibility of my opinion?

I think you're the one who needs to calm down.

Some of you people on here really give this board a negative atmosphere.Try being nice once in a while.

[The Shadow]

First off,I couldn't care less what you sourpusses say about this project or Marvel in general.Of course I'm excited for CW and I think it's going to be awesome.Is that wrong?Just because I'm happy about the subject it all of a sudden takes away the credibility of my opinion?
I'm with you!

I haven't been this excited about a series in a while... I think the ideas and concept sound fun. I don't know a lot of details yet... I prefer to avoid spoilers... but I think it will be good.

[Violently Apathetic]

Count me in on the 'really excited' bandwagon. Yes, it's a theme that's been touched on before, but I think it's still relevant and there are some damn cool plot points that can come from it. I've never understood the fandom's ultra cynical attitude sometimes, you really need to give something a chance before you crap all over it. Anyway, yeah, the first issue can't come out fast enough...

[Kirk G]

LMAO

We also have Wolverine ya know!

Like she said, A hairy little midget....who kills people! :D

[Kirk G]

I do think there's logic in many heroes leaving the US for Canada to escape persecution. Cap however would not be one of those heroes that would do it for long. He might do it to avoid initial conflict... but I don't think he'd stay up there and set up house with Alpha Flight. Again, SOME heroes might... but not Cap.

And I sure as hell don't think he should or would change his name to Captain Canada. That notion is too ridiculous for me to even entertain (no offense to Canadians... but a bit C on his head and a maple leaf on his chest and shield just wouldn't work).
No more rediculous than abandoning his uniform and sheild, adopting a new persona and calling himself "Nomad".... :rolleyes:

[Haunt]

Like she said, A hairy little midget....who kills people! :D


he's still a midget? i thought they turned him into a 6'2" pretty boy who enjoys seeing showtunes. :)

[XPac]

No more rediculous than abandoning his uniform and sheild, adopting a new persona and calling himself "Nomad".... :rolleyes:

No... I gotta say calling yourself Captain Canada and wearing a big maple leaf is more ridiculous. Sorry if that's offensive to Canadians. But at least to me having black costume and calling yourself Nomad just doesn't seem as bad.

[Nick Kal]

They better not ruin Captain America. Brubaker has just given him some merit again...

[dingo]

They better not ruin Captain America. Brubaker has just given him some merit again...

How exactly would making him so disallusioned with his own country he emigrates north, thereby providing stories for years, going to ruin the character. If Cap decides to move north it does nothing to the character.

[Violently Apathetic]

Well, no, it does ruin the character because apparently if he crosses the border he's no longer 'Captain America' who stands for the values of democracy and freedom, but 'Captain Canada' who stands for the free health care and gay marriage.

....the bastard!

[Jmacq1]

No, he stands for the ideals of draft-dodging and Bush-hating!

That's the thing that really doesn't rest well with me about all this. Marvel's idea seems to be that the ultimate show of patriotism is...draft dodging.

Put these two together for a second:

Captain America

Draft-Dodger

Do you all see what's wrong with this picture? I'm not saying he should roll over and just accept the Registration idea if he's convinced that it's wrong, but I don't see why he couldn't go along with the Registration on paper (his ID is public now anyway), and continue to work -within the US- to try to get it overturned. He could protest, heck he could even organize an "underground" movement.

Then again, if he "registers" and -then- moves to Canada to help fellow heroes, I could almost buy that. But on the surface this whole crossover seems to be hinging on various characters acting rather out-of-character just because it's convenient to the story. Sounds suspiciously like the build-up to another mega-crossover that's currently ongoing (*coughcoughInfiniteCrisiscoughcough*).

All-in-all, I'll probably read it, and it'll probably be well-written, but you can dip feces in gold and you've still got crap underneath it all. This whole thing just seems like a contrived method of Joey Q and the Marvel crew painting an Anti-Bush slant on the entire Marvel Universe. And I can see enough of that just watching the news on any given day. (Note that I'm not saying I'm Pro-Bush, I'd just prefer less real-world politics in my comic-books).

[Violently Apathetic]

Well, we don't know how this is going to play out, it's possible he could have wanted a more peaceable solution, I doubt leaving for Canada would be his first choice, but for all we know situations occur that prevent it. Maybe there's no opportunity for him to become a sort of 'Underground' freedom fighter in the US because he's not wanted or considered a criminal there as a result of events during Civil War. There are a lot of hypothetical scenarios we can pitch as to what he SHOULD do, but in actuality until we see how this plays out we can't really form an educated opinion on the entire thing.

Besides, personally I see nothing wrong with Draft Dodging if the alternative is fighting in a war you believe to be unjust. I agree though that it shouldn't end there, if he disagrees with it he should continue to fight it, but the possibility remains that he may have to be outside of America to do so.

[BlackKnight]

First off,I couldn't care less what you sourpusses say about this project or Marvel in general.Of course I'm excited for CW and I think it's going to be awesome.Is that wrong?Just because I'm happy about the subject it all of a sudden takes away the credibility of my opinion?

I think you're the one who needs to calm down.

Some of you people on here really give this board a negative atmosphere.Try being nice once in a while.

Look at your post above, where you are saying you have a right to be happy about CW and everything that goes with it.

Now look at this post also yours.

We don't even know the premise of the story yet and you're already assuming he's just going to throw in the towel and run.Let's save these assumptions for a little bit after CW #1.

Where it says that we should save assumptions for a little bit after CW 1.

That is called being hypocritical, you are saying that you have the right to be happy and say how great this is going to be, but that others don't have the right to say the oppisite.

Good luck with that. :rolleyes:

[DoubleShot]

Asumuptions are fine. So is speculation. Getting angry and stressed about something that might not actually happen is childish.

Remember. Marvel has basically stated that House of M was the start of a 5 year arc. Civil War is the second part.

Personally, I can't wait for what's to come. It's about time they shook things up a bit.

So far we got mutants in a concentration camp. We got the non-mutant heroes having to register. I know I can't be the only one seeing a pattern here.

I can't wait to see whe is behind it all.

[BlackKnight]

Asumuptions are fine. So is speculation. Getting angry and stressed about something that might not actually happen is childish.

Remember. Marvel has basically stated that House of M was the start of a 5 year arc. Civil War is the second part.

Personally, I can't wait for what's to come. It's about time they shook things up a bit.

So far we got mutants in a concentration camp. We got the non-mutant heroes having to register. I know I can't be the only one seeing a pattern here.

I can't wait to see whe is behind it all.

I agree assumptions are fine, so is speculation, telling someone that they can't say anything because it is negative is not.

[Captain Shady]

Let me frame this "debate."

Poster 1: I am excited about all the possibilities
Poster 2: I am miserable about one possibile outcome.

Poster 1: You shouldn't be so negative, it's only one possible outcome, the book may go in a different direction.
Poster 2: I can be negative if you can be positive.

Hmmm...

[BlackKnight]

Let me frame this "debate."

Poster 1: I am excited about all the possibilities
Poster 2: I am miserable about one possibile outcome.

Poster 1: You shouldn't be so negative, it's only one possible outcome, the book may go in a different direction.
Poster 2: I can be negative if you can be positive.

Hmmm...

That would be about it... With a little more detail. Nice job nailing it down. Except you missed poster one saying

Poster 1: This is going to be Awesome, I am so looking forward to it, stop being so negative, just wait and see.
Poster 2: How is you know it is going to be Awesome?
Poster 1: no response.

[Eric_Carnaby]

This will most likely be a great book with a fantastic premise.
Really looking forward to it.


(and hopefully, Bendis will NOT write it.)

[The Shadow]

Well, no, it does ruin the character because apparently if he crosses the border he's no longer 'Captain America' who stands for the values of democracy and freedom, but 'Captain Canada' who stands for the free health care and gay marriage.

....the bastard!
LMAO

:D

I bet he'd become a hockey fan if he wasn't already!

[The Shadow]

Where it says that we should save assumptions for a little bit after CW 1.

That is called being hypocritical, you are saying that you have the right to be happy and say how great this is going to be, but that others don't have the right to say the oppisite.

Good luck with that.
You just couldn't... let... it... go... :rolleyes:

[The Shadow]

Poster 1: This is going to be Awesome, I am so looking forward to it, stop being so negative, just wait and see.
Poster 2: How is you know it is going to be Awesome?
Poster 1: About the same as you know it's NOT going to be awesome.
There... I fixed it for accuracy.

[Eric_Carnaby]

Poster 1: This is going to be Awesome, I am so looking forward to it, stop being so negative, just wait and see.
Poster 2: How is you know it is going to be Awesome?
Poster 1: About the same as you know it's NOT going to be awesome.

There... I fixed it for accuracy.


LOL!!!

I would add:

Poster 2-Stop attacking me! Mods, people are attacking me...BWAH! :(

[BlackKnight]

There... I fixed it for accuracy.

Well, you did a good job making it about as inaccurate as you could.

Sorry, but everyone with a problem with this idea, have said why. Of course many people have said it was awesome, but when asked why did not respond.

YOu being in denial of this does not make untrue.

Also, someone saying the book is awesome and that the people who don't like the idea, should wait and see before saying anything is a hypocrite.

[BlackKnight]

Poster 1: This is going to be Awesome, I am so looking forward to it, stop being so negative, just wait and see.
Poster 2: How is you know it is going to be Awesome?
Poster 1: About the same as you know it's NOT going to be awesome.




LOL!!!

I would add:

Poster 2-Stop attacking me! Mods, people are attacking me...BWAH! :(

maybe you should add...

Poster 1: you have no right to say bad stuff about awesome stuff *waaaa*
Poster 2: but you say never explained why it is awesome.
Poster 1: no responce

[unkiedev]

Well, no, it does ruin the character because apparently if he crosses the border he's no longer 'Captain America' who stands for the values of democracy and freedom, but 'Captain Canada' who stands for the free health care and gay marriage.

....the bastard!
as a true American I should HOPE the Cap is for Free Health-care and Gay marriage. :)

[Nick Kal]

How exactly would making him so disallusioned with his own country he emigrates north, thereby providing stories for years, going to ruin the character. If Cap decides to move north it does nothing to the character.

Because he's Captain America. It's okay for him to go to other countries, and it is also okay for him to be disenchanted with our government, but to base Cap in another country and have him be on a team that is in one or even have him just leave the country during a war would suck.

Seriously, Captain AMERICA, our very own super soldier, goes to Canada when there is a WAR, on... you guessed it, AMERICAN SOIL.

But I guess it could just be him allying himself with Canada for support. It's just this idea of him not being American... blah.

EDIT - And I don't mean America is #1 or the best or anything like that, I'm just saying that is who Cap is. America.

[The Fury]

Seriously, Captain AMERICA, our very own super soldier, goes to Canada when there is a WAR, on... you guessed it, AMERICAN SOIL.

But I guess it could just be him allying himself with Canada for support. It's just this idea of him not being American... blah.

EDIT - And I don't mean America is #1 or the best or anything like that, I'm just saying that is who Cap is. America.
You know's he is still in America if he goes to Canada right?

That aside, what does it matter where he goes? I highly doubt he will change his name to Captain Canada or whatever. He is still Cap America and still hold true the ideals of the USA.

He won't not be American. If I move to America, get a passport, become a citizen, I'm still British, no matter what anyone else says.

[malephoenix]

It's so sad that even an unsubstantiated rumor like this makes me kinda giddy in a deeply embarrassing fangirl kinda way. 'Yay, Canada is getting some superhero beefcake that isn't a hairy midget!'

????

You're saying that DDM will in fact *not* be a member of the team? :confused:

[Shellhead]

Maybe Cap will finally learn to speak French while he is living in Canada.

[Nick Kal]

You know's he is still in America if he goes to Canada right?

That aside, what does it matter where he goes? I highly doubt he will change his name to Captain Canada or whatever. He is still Cap America and still hold true the ideals of the USA.

He won't not be American. If I move to America, get a passport, become a citizen, I'm still British, no matter what anyone else says.

Dude, United States of America... that is where Cap is from and a symbol of.

And you didn't even question my arguments of abandoning the country during a war, etc. I addressed 'em saying he prob. won't and just needs allies...

[The Fury]

Dude, United States of America... that is where Cap is from and a symbol of.

And you didn't even question my arguments of abandoning the country during a war, etc. I addressed 'em saying he prob. won't and just needs allies...
Yeah, I've heard of the USA. But still it doesn't mean he is abandoning it, he is a free man and chooses what he wants to do, it's not a war as any other.

This will be a Civil War between superheroes in the US only. He isn't siding with the government or his country, he is siding with those who need his help. And in this case, those who are going to leave the country it seems.

But this is still a rumour, we do not know all the facts.

[Nick Kal]

Yeah, I've heard of the USA. But still it doesn't mean he is abandoning it, he is a free man and chooses what he wants to do, it's not a war as any other.

This will be a Civil War between superheroes in the US only. He isn't siding with the government or his country, he is siding with those who need his help. And in this case, those who are going to leave the country it seems.

But this is still a rumour, we do not know all the facts.

I think that leaving would be an abandonment... because obviously heroes are going to stay and fight each other.

Also, those who are staying in the US will likely need his help more than people who aren't in the war.

[The Fury]

I think that leaving would be an abandonment... because obviously heroes are going to stay and fight each other.

Also, those who are staying in the US will likely need his help more than people who aren't in the war.
Okay but when is him moving taking place? during or after CW?

He isn't abandoning anyone though, those who chose to stay, just register with the government, fight for SHIELD and live pout their lives like they did, they don;t need help. It is those who leave that need it, those american citizens that are leaving their home country becuase of a law.

[Nick Kal]

Okay but when is him moving taking place? during or after CW?

He isn't abandoning anyone though, those who chose to stay, just register with the government, fight for SHIELD and live pout their lives like they did, they don;t need help. It is those who leave that need it, those american citizens that are leaving their home country becuase of a law.

Good question. If it happenes during CW then that's where my stance lies... maybe even after.

Also, the thing is heroes will stay and not register... thus, war.

[The Fury]

Also, the thing is heroes will stay and not register... thus, war.
Yes..at first, they do not want to have to leave their homes. Nor do they want to fight for SHIELD.

The other option is to stop being a hero and that is not good for many of them as they need to or want to.

[The Shadow]

Poster 1: you have no right to say bad stuff about awesome stuff *waaaa*
Poster 2: but you say never explained why it is awesome.
Poster 1: And you haven't read it so you don't know how much it might suck yet either
Again, corrected for accuracy.

[The Shadow]

Well, you did a good job making it about as inaccurate as you could.
By making it as accurate as possible!
:rolleyes:

Sorry, but everyone with a problem with this idea, have said why. Of course many people have said it was awesome, but when asked why did not respond.
Here's my explanation: I HAVEN'T READ IT YET! FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA! THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TRYING NEW THINGS!

YOu being in denial of this does not make untrue.
:rolleyes:

Also, someone saying the book is awesome and that the people who don't like the idea, should wait and see before saying anything is a hypocrite.
Re-read everything posted... he says he THINKS it will be AWESOME... HOPES it will be AWESOME... the IDEA of the story is AWESOME. Seeing the theme here?

And just as a side note... why condem something you haven't read?

[BlackKnight]

By making it as accurate as possible!
:rolleyes:


Here's my explanation: I HAVEN'T READ IT YET! FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA! THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TRYING NEW THINGS!


:rolleyes:


Re-read everything posted... he says he THINKS it will be AWESOME... HOPES it will be AWESOME... the IDEA of the story is AWESOME. Seeing the theme here?

And just as a side note... why condem something you haven't read?

Once again you prove my point, the fact that some people think that it is ok to be postive about something you know little about, but by god you can't be negative about it.

Reread what you have said, and see the hypocrise in it.

[BlackKnight]

Again, corrected for accuracy.

Hmmm, I love how you miss the point all the time.

The simple point is, I don't care if you want to say it is awesome. Of course like anyone that is curious, I would like to know why people think something they have never read is awesome, but hey it is there right to not respond to a question.

However, I don't feel it is somebodies right to say it is awesome and then go on to tell people who are saying it might not be good because they don't know what they are talking about. That is called hypocrisy, something you seem to be familiar with.

[BlackKnight]

Shadow,
I have been thinking about this, and it is obvious that you don't want to discuss the topic of the thread. So, I am simple not going to respond to you if you arn't on topic anymore, so go ahead make your snide comments or whatever you want.

[The Shadow]

but by god you can't be negative about it.
:rolleyes:

Why go in with a negative attitude? Really... what does that accomplish?

[The Shadow]

I would like to know why people think something they have never read is awesome, but hey it is there right to not respond to a question.
Starkz DID reply... throughout the entire thread! He said (and I've already said this...) he THINKS it will be AWESOME... HOPES it will be AWESOME... the IDEA of the story is AWESOME. Seeing the theme here? At no point does he say "THIS IS AN AWESOME STORY!!"

[QUOTE=BlackKnight]That is called hypocrisy, something you seem to be familiar with.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Too bad there's a limit on the rolleyes.

[Eric_Carnaby]

:rolleyes:

Why go in with a negative attitude? Really... what does that accomplish?

Nothing.
Complaining about a book one hasn't read is reward enough in itself and a big accomplishment. :D

[The Shadow]

it is obvious that you don't want to discuss the topic of the thread.
LOL

THAT made me almost spit my Pepsi out on the screen! Pot, I'd like to introduce you to kettle. People in glass houses... you know the rest.

So, I am simple not going to respond to you if you arn't on topic anymore
What is YOUR topic? Let's be negative about a book we haven't read yet? Let's slam a concept that may OR MAY NOT be true... and lets somehow blame it ALL on Bendis... he is the antichrist... he ruined the *cough*real*cough* Avengers afterall.

[BlackKnight]

:rolleyes:

Why go in with a negative attitude? Really... what does that accomplish?

Why go in with a postive attitude? What does that accomplish?

The same thing as a negative attitude, it is called opinion.

If you want to attack something, attack the information in the opinion not the person giving the opinion.

[BlackKnight]

LOL

THAT made me almost spit my Pepsi out on the screen! Pot, I'd like to introduce you to kettle. People in glass houses... you know the rest.


What is YOUR topic? Let's be negative about a book we haven't read yet? Let's slam a concept that may OR MAY NOT be true... and lets somehow blame it ALL on Bendis... he is the antichrist... he ruined the *cough*real*cough* Avengers afterall.

Lets see I was discussing what I say as problems with the comic, and was showing how I thought it could be better, when you came in and started into don't be negative, but its ok for me to be postive routine.

Sorry, where did I mention Bendis? Show me, or are you blowing more of your hot air around like usually.

Why do I expect more from you then your usually personal attacks on people I don't know. :rolleyes:

[BlackKnight]

What is YOUR topic? Let's be negative about a book we haven't read yet? Let's slam a concept that may OR MAY NOT be true... and lets somehow blame it ALL on Bendis... he is the antichrist... he ruined the *cough*real*cough* Avengers afterall.

No the topic is discussing the idea, both postive and negative.

I understand that you don't seem to be able to do that, so how about you let others do that without you snide comments.

[The Shadow]

Nothing.
Complaining about a book one hasn't read is reward enough in itself and a big accomplishment. :D
That's what I thought too.

In point of fact I have found going in with a negative attitude oftentimes ruins my enjoyment of a book. That's why I avoid spoilers whenever possible... so I don't have preconcieved notions going in and I can just enjoy the story.

[BlackKnight]

That's what I thought too.

In point of fact I have found going in with a negative attitude oftentimes ruins my enjoyment of a book. That's why I avoid spoilers whenever possible... so I don't have preconcieved notions going in and I can just enjoy the story.

Why do I bother trying to talk to you, all you do is make snide comments and then act like you arn't doing it. Whatever... Back to the ignore bin.

[The Shadow]

I was discussing what I say as problems with the comic
The problems with a comic that doesn't, as yet, exist? How can you discuss problems?

and was showing how I thought it could be better
With that same non-existant comic? Man you ARE good!

Sorry, where did I mention Bendis? Show me, or are you blowing more of your hot air around like usually.
I try and not blow hot air! It's too negative.

Why do I expect more from you then your usually personal attacks on people I don't know. :rolleyes:
LOL

Other than YOU... who have I ever personlally disagreed with or "attacked"? YOU seem to be a lightening rod for this... maybe YOU'RE the common denominator. Perhaps YOU should look at YOUR behaviour before telling someone else how to act.

[The Shadow]

Why do I bother trying to talk to you, all you do is make snide comments and then act like you arn't doing it.
That comment was not directed at you and I talking to Eric about why I personally avoid spoilers and don't go in witha negative attitude

Whatever... Back to the ignore bin.
Promises... promises...

[Eric_Carnaby]

LOL

THAT made me almost spit my Pepsi out on the screen! Pot, I'd like to introduce you to kettle. People in glass houses... you know the rest.


What is YOUR topic? Let's be negative about a book we haven't read yet? Let's slam a concept that may OR MAY NOT be true... and lets somehow blame it ALL on Bendis... he is the antichrist... he ruined the *cough*real*cough* Avengers afterall.

:D You kill me, Shadow!

[The Shadow]

:D You kill me, Shadow!
Thank you... thank you!
:D

Sometimes it's gotta be said!

[BlackKnight]

So now how about we try and get this thread back on topic.

I think the idea of this comic is interesting but have a problem with Cap leading a Candian goverment sponsored team, it just does not fit with his charater in my opinion.

If however it is a book about a bunch of American heroes on the run from the registration act and has nothing to do with the Canadian goverment, then I hold no real problems with the comic. Althought I would prefer a different name for the title.

I would interested in dicsussing this.

[The Shadow]

Why go in with a postive attitude? What does that accomplish?

The same thing as a negative attitude, it is called opinion.
I totally missed this post! Let me address it!

As I have said, I try and go in with NO preconceived notions one way or the other.

Why go in witha positive outlook? Are you for real? Do you watch movies you think will suck? Do you eat food you think you'll hate? Would you buy a book you already think will be bad? Of course not!

I never said I have a positive OPINION on this book because there is no book. I am going in witha positive OUTLOOK because I WANT it to be good, I don't want to waste my money on something I think will be bad.

Therein lies the fundamental difference between us... you seem to have this negative outlook on things and buy books you don't actually like. You'll probably buy this too despite you ALREADY having a NEGATIVE OPINION (your words) on a book that DOESN'T EXIST... and feel justified in your assertions that it was, indeed, bad.

Why go in with a positive attitude? Going in with a positive attitude increases your chances of enjoyment. You say you were/are in marketing... you should have known that.

[The Shadow]

I think the idea of this comic is interesting but have a problem with Cap leading a Candian goverment sponsored team, it just does not fit with his charater in my opinion.
I disagree. I think Captain America (as per his Invaders history) does not have a problem defending people, does not have a problem taking orders from a foreign government, would do everything in his power (even if it means a move to Canada) to ensure truth, justice and freedom. I think Cap's character would make him go to where he could do the most good. If that's Canada, so be it. If it's Argentina... he'd go there.

Captain America does what he believes is the GREATER GOOD. No one person or group is above his ideals... and an attempt to trample those ideals would cause Cap to take potentially drastic measures. And as I said, if he could do the most good in/from Canada he'd do it.

His values are't just restricted to the US of A... the dreams and ideals he believes in are something many nations can get behind.

I don't think he'd change his costume or drop his name either. Maybe he could become Captain NORTH America!

[Eric_Carnaby]

I totally missed this post! Let me address it!

.

Why go in witha positive outlook? Are you for real? Do you watch movies you think will suck? Do you eat food you think you'll hate? Would you buy a book you already think will be bad? Of course not!
.

Actually he will.
He still buys New Avengers, every single month, even though he has said (since issue 1) how much he dislikes the writing;he has repeated that more times than I care to remember.

And in spite of acknowledging he hates how Bendis writes team books, and how Alex Maleev isn't an artist he loves, he went ahead and bought Illuminati.

Wanna bet he will be first in line to buy Spider-Woman, written by Bendis and pencilled by Alex Maleev?

[BlackKnight]

I disagree. I think Captain America (as per his Invaders history) does not have a problem defending people, does not have a problem taking orders from a foreign government, would do everything in his power (even if it means a move to Canada) to ensure truth, justice and freedom. I think Cap's character would make him go to where he could do the most good. If that's Canada, so be it. If it's Argentina... he'd go there.

Captain America does what he believes is the GREATER GOOD. No one person or group is above his ideals... and an attempt to trample those ideals would cause Cap to take potentially drastic measures. And as I said, if he could do the most good in/from Canada he'd do it.

His values are't just restricted to the US of A... the dreams and ideals he believes in are something many nations can get behind.

I don't think he'd change his costume or drop his name either. Maybe he could become Captain NORTH America!

Ok, I think we have a misunderstanding here, I never said that I thought Cap would not go to Canada, if he felt that was the best thing to help his friends, I do think he would do that, I just don't think he would sign on to lead a Canadian Goverment Sponsored team, not in his charater.

Also I highly doubt they will be changing his name or costume, but anything is possible.

[The Shadow]

I just don't think he would sign on to lead a Canadian Goverment Sponsored team, not in his charater.
Why not?

What difference does it make who writes the cheques?

[We R. Venom]

Where did you people get these Captain Canada rumors from?