View Full Version : Do you believe in a multiverse...?
PatrickG
04-03-2006, 02:57 AM
One of my biggest problems with CRISIS and "single universe" proponents in DC fandom is that I find it hard to imagine that there isn't AT LEAST one multiverse and that our universe may fall into as many as four overlapping kinds of multiverses.
But I'm curious what the opinions here are.
monkeyjunkie
04-03-2006, 03:02 AM
what are you talking about exactly, like multiple universe theories, alternate realities actually existing, what? you question is so muddled and unclear its impossible to understand what you're saying. Expand, maybe give an example of what your talking about. Four overlapping kinds of multiverses? huh?
PatrickG
04-03-2006, 03:20 AM
There is a fair amount of information here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
At this point, evidence is limited and arguments on the subject of multiple universes exist but it is a fairly mainstream idea in Quantum Physics that our universe is one of many.
I'm going to adapt these down to layman's speak as best as I can. Any physicists can correct me.
The basic four types are:
Type I:
Open Multiverse.
There are infinite regions of space the same size as what we can observe. Outside our range of perception (10^10th^29th meters away) there would be an identical copy of everything we know and at certain distances, there would be close-but-not-quite-identical copies.
Type II:
Bubble Theory.
Our universe is the result of a prior universe which decayed at an uneven rate, launching multiple big bangs which launched multiple universes.
Type III:
Many Worlds Interpretation.
Events at the quantum level occur which have true 50/50 probability. Both events occur in different universes.
Type IV:
Ultimate Ensemble Theory.
Any hypothetical mathematical construct complex enough to contain self-aware substructures would contain self-aware subsctructures which perceive themselves as real and, thus, are real.
Thing is... Our universe could exist as a subset of ALL FOUR types of multiverse.
xzilledangel
04-03-2006, 04:02 AM
this is actualy a debate subject a friend and I had while we were bored but to win this argument I used his faith against him.
His argument was that life would not mean anything if all of these univereses existed and God (or another higher being or the creator) would make so many univereses just to exist, there would have to be a purpose.
So after a little thought I asked him a few questions that led to this answer. "one of the many things that all believers hold to when it comes to the subject of a God, we recognize him as infoulable and that "it" knows what our actions will be at any given time. That being said, there is a contradictive belief, that we all were created by said higher being but we live with the all mighty power of free will.
The crux of the problem was and is, how can a being know without a doubt what you will do yet the you still exihbit free will. Well in a multiuniverse all choices and possiblities do exist. If I create a problem that has two choices and place to opposing forces with the problem, if all things are equal and the opposing forces are equal then both choices will be chosen. Or something along those lines. If you pay close enough attention our universe (from what we have discovered so far) is based on opposing forces creating a balance, so why would it just stop at what we have seen.
Just my thought on this...and yes im a nerd lol
Agentum
04-03-2006, 05:53 AM
Some believe that everything exist alongside of eatchoter, so you can't go forward or backward in time, but you can go sideways in to a reality there the desisions is diffrent from those in your reality.
All realitys have it's own thread, and all of them is spunnen like a rope, new important desisions give birth to new threads but you follow the one that effected you.
I guess this can be like type 3 in PatrickG's list.
I don't believe in gods and such things, that is only a way to people to having to believe that it is a higher mening and some higher power that can decide for them.
titanfan
04-03-2006, 03:42 PM
I believe there are multiple universes, but I would have to go "probably not" in the identical copies of ourselves thing.
genesis
04-03-2006, 04:20 PM
woo hoo im all by myself in the vote
rfahey
04-03-2006, 04:39 PM
I would also say that there conceivably are universes existing in space beyond what we can see, but I don't think that I buy parallel dimensions as portrayed in comic books and scifi literature. I'm more interested in why this latter idea appeals to people - wish fulfillment to see how life would have changed had we made different decisions?
Citizen V
04-03-2006, 05:07 PM
I would have to say yes,in some method of thinking.Scientific theories are sound,as i can easily belive there really are multiple earths..
Suzanne
04-04-2006, 11:35 PM
No, I don't think a real multiverse exists. I would need solid proof to believe such a thing.
Babylon23
04-04-2006, 11:45 PM
I've read a lot of the scientific argument for the existence of a multiverse, and while not convinced, I find the theories fascinating. I'm probably in the "don't know" category.
I hope multiple realities exist.
ChthonicSpirit
04-05-2006, 04:39 AM
I am still in the process of wrapping my head around Stephen Hawking's latest book, but I believe he suggests that multiverses are real. According to Hawking, the current model of our universe states that our spacetime is spread along the surface of a multi-dimensional film known as a p-brane. Our p-brane is probably one of many, so they could also have universes on them.
Rio_de_Janeiro
04-05-2006, 07:27 AM
We discuss them in language, we think them, we imagine them, we give them names and we throw them to infinity.
multiverses exist.
now, if they exist MATERIALLY, now that's a different question.
I believe they do.
aeastwic
04-06-2006, 10:26 AM
I do believe that there is a multi-verse. It might not be what we think, but there is enough evidence that the universe could be a part of something larger.
joint venture
04-06-2006, 02:00 PM
our real limits when it comes to expanding humanity across the cosmos shows that a theory embracing the existence of multiple universes might also be a part of man's perennial struggle with the ability to create and multiply beyond any status quo.
be it quantum physics or the religious approach, it will work for anyone who believes in it. if you believe in it, then it exists.
you just created it.
isaac a person
04-06-2006, 02:08 PM
I vote Yes.
I can't say that I'm completely convinced or that I would take sides in an argument, but the fanciful part of my mind would like it to be true :D
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