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WatsonGlenn
04-02-2006, 07:49 PM
Was Bucky always alive or did Lukin alter reality with the Cosmic Cube to retcon him back to life retroactively, not only bringing him to life but changing the last 60 years by inserting a living cyborg Bucky.
And no Superboy-retcon-punch jokes please.
Kevinroc
04-02-2006, 07:55 PM
We weren't led to believe that Lukin used The Cosmic Cube to bring Bucky back to life. Going by what was stated throughout The Winter Soldier story, Bucky was actually always alive but was cryoginically frozen for years at a time until his next mission until Lukin finally got his hands on him some time ago (in Marvel continuity).
The Soviets found Bucky's body during World War 2, revived Bucky (but he had amnesia) and then turned him into The Winter Soldier (and did that stuff I just mentioned to keep him young).
RonnieThunderbolts
04-02-2006, 08:00 PM
Was Bucky always alive or did Lukin alter reality with the Cosmic Cube to retcon him back to life retroactively, not only bringing him to life but changing the last 60 years by inserting a living cyborg Bucky.
And no Superboy-retcon-punch jokes please.
He was made "always alive" by Brubaker and co. In the first issue of the current volume Lukin and the Skull looked at Bucky/the Winter Soldier in a cryogenic tube years before Lukin used the Winter Soldier to get the Cube. Since the WS, Bucky, was seen before the Cube was in Lukin's possession it is dubious that he had anything to do with creating the WS. The story, Brubaker, and Mr. Brevoort all confirm that Bucky 'has been' alive all this time, alternately frozen in a tube and used as a Russian operative. Also, sci-fi comic book arms aside, Bucky isn't a cyborg any more than someone with a real, mechanical prosthetic arm, as it wasn't used to restore him to life, or to replace bodily functions, merely to replace a missing limb (and as comics dictate, give him some degree of enhanced strength).
Mariah
04-03-2006, 12:13 AM
Was Bucky always alive or did Lukin alter reality with the Cosmic Cube to retcon him back to life retroactively, not only bringing him to life but changing the last 60 years by inserting a living cyborg Bucky.
And no Superboy-retcon-punch jokes please.
Ahh, the question that's been plaguing me since that damn owl ruined my quest to figure out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop.
Nick MB
04-03-2006, 04:12 AM
If you just want a comprehensive outline of how Bucky is not dead, track down issue #11 of the current Cap series, which has the full Winter Soldier dossier.
But yeah, it's not a cyborg, it's the real Bucky with a metal prosthetic arm.
Haunt
04-03-2006, 10:08 PM
He was made "always alive" by Brubaker and co. In the first issue of the current volume Lukin and the Skull looked at Bucky/the Winter Soldier in a cryogenic tube years before Lukin used the Winter Soldier to get the Cube. Since the WS, Bucky, was seen before the Cube was in Lukin's possession it is dubious that he had anything to do with creating the WS. The story, Brubaker, and Mr. Brevoort all confirm that Bucky 'has been' alive all this time, alternately frozen in a tube and used as a Russian operative. Also, sci-fi comic book arms aside, Bucky isn't a cyborg any more than someone with a real, mechanical prosthetic arm, as it wasn't used to restore him to life, or to replace bodily functions, merely to replace a missing limb (and as comics dictate, give him some degree of enhanced strength).
if he can use the new limb, it must be tied into his nervous system. doesn't that make him a cyborg? :confused:
Sabrinaset
04-03-2006, 10:25 PM
Well, he was dead, but then Superboy hit this prison he was in, and the "Retcon-Punch" altered reality so that it turned out he was alive after all. The next thing you know, he's wearing a red hood...I mean, star...
RonnieThunderbolts
04-04-2006, 12:04 AM
if he can use the new limb, it must be tied into his nervous system. doesn't that make him a cyborg? :confused:
I feel there is a distinction, if only because 'cyborg' originated as a sci-fi concept in the 60's while speculating about man surviving in space. To me, the connotation that comes with it limits the term to at this point, impossible ideas, like Star Trek's the Borg, Deathlok, DC's Cyborg or course, the Reavers, and so on. Although a few notable exceptions have publicly refered to themselves proudly as cyborgs, I know an amputee with a mechanical prosthetic who takes offense at people calling him a 'cyborg.' But, then it is merely the feeling I've gotten on the subject from my personal experiences.
Mariah
04-04-2006, 12:47 AM
Well, he was dead, but then Superboy hit this prison he was in, and the "Retcon-Punch" altered reality so that it turned out he was alive after all. The next thing you know, he's wearing a red hood...I mean, star...
In all fairness, Bucky's story was much better than Jason Todd's resurrection, if they we're gonna do it, they should have done it with Jim Lee and Loeb on the book. Back then, it seemed like it could have really happened, then it got really lame.
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