INFINITE CRISIS #6 Megathread: Reviews & Spoilers

[Paul Newell]

This thread is for posting about the sixth issue of Infinite Crisis. Please put any thoughts and questions, about the actual issue, here. By limiting it to this particular thread we hope to head off the duplicate conversations which plagued the releases of Identity Crisis and Countdown. If you wish to post about something tangental to this issue then please feel free to start a separate thread. Any separate thread that deals directly with the issue will be merged here.

As with previous issues, if you do get your hands on a copy earlier than the release date, or come across spoilers online, then please use the [SPOIL ] [/SPOIL ] tags until the issue is available freely.

NO NEED FOR SPOILER TAGS NOW, GUYS!


And, as always, please be aware of the rules and guidelines of this board and stay on topic.

Thanks.

[20yrslater]

There is an early and limited review over at Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=65606), which spoils what we already know. Suffice to say that I can't wait for this damn thing to come out tomorrow.

[Paul Newell]

More over here (http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000070191&tstart=0) and here (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Renegade_Comic_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1248) as well. :)

MAJOR SPOILERS, though.

[Paul Newell]

Some stuff gets expanded upon here (http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24059) as well.

[ShaggyB]

awesome, im sooo there

[Jack Roberts]

I just finished it. A little confusing artwise, but overall a good story.

Superboy Prime's armor is inspired by the Anti-Monitor, there is no direct link. He created it to feed himself yellow sunlight after the Flashs imprisoned him for many years under red.

Apparently, Alex can see us or at least that's the impression I got from the art and the dialogue.

Other spoilers, Spectre killed Star Sapphire, Black Atom kills Pycho Pirate with a lethal poke in the eye, Mr. Terrific killed Brother Eye by "throwing it out of orbit," and Superboy destroyed Alex's tower in Round 2 of his fight against SB-Prime.

And of course, Superboy died from crashing into the tower while fighting SB-Prime. SB-Prime's fate? Not shown or mentioned.

[Jack Roberts]

Oh, last two lines of the book:

CASS: You did it, Conner. You saved the Earth. You saved everyone.

CONNER: I know Cass. Isn't it cool?

[Lord Ichabod]

10 o'clock can't get here soon enough. sounds absolutely awesome.

[Buried Alien]

From what's been spoiled so far, it seems like most of the major conflicts and issues have been wrapped up in INFINITE CRISIS # 6, but there's supposed to be one more issue. What is # 7 going to be about?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Nick Kal]

Um also there is no Earth-1, Earth-2, etc. It is now New Earth.

[Buried Alien]

Um also there is no Earth-1, Earth-2, etc. It is now New Earth.

It was "New Earth" after COIE too. Is it the same old song and dance?

I guess this one will be "Newer Earth," then. We're back to Square One.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[UniqueFrequency]

It was "New Earth" after COIE too. Is it the same old song and dance?

I guess this one will be "Newer Earth," then. We're back to Square One.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)


i'm not sure there's anything bad about being back to Square One.

i personally wouldn't like the idea to have to wrap my mind around who remembers what, who's from which earth and who belongs where all from scratch!

[stillanerd]

Um also there is no Earth-1, Earth-2, etc. It is now New Earth.

Again? :D Well, at least THIS time, all the heroes may remember what happened. Anyway, this issue sounds incredible.

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing. If Superboy Prime was kept prisoner on the planet with the Red Sun for years by the Flashes, that would mean Bart Allen, since he was there, would've grown up as well. Sounds like he'll become the new Flash if that's the case.

[TokenBlackGuy]

How many pages is it? i mean if things are pretty much wrapped up in this issue in terms of conflict then surely its longer than the other issues? or not?

[TokenBlackGuy]

oh and what does it get out of 5?

[Buried Alien]

i'm not sure there's anything bad about being back to Square One.

i personally wouldn't like the idea to have to wrap my mind around who remembers what, who's from which earth and who belongs where all from scratch!



I don't know. After a ride like this, I expect to end up somewhere different from where I started.

But there's still one more issue to fix that.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Jack Roberts]

oh and what does it get out of 5?

34 and and 3.

[Be Stiff]

Next issue is an all out brawl with the Society, I think.

[Captain Smith]

So are we going to end up with two Supermen. What's the fate of Earth-2, the original Supes. We know that Supes loses his powers in the OYL books.

[xionice]

Superboys death made me proud :cool: , and his possible rebirth in Teen Titans should be awesome!

[shaxper]

NICE ISSUE!


Now that we'd moved on to OYL, I was begining to wonder what the point of continuing to read Infinite Crisis (now one year in the past) would be. Boy am I glad I picked up the issue. Lots of excitement, and some major twists as well.

I never really followed Conner Kent and thought he seemed like a lame character, but what an exit. Now that I think about it, I said the same thing about Supergirl twenty years ago.

So we have a new single Earth now? I'm confused. Has history changed or not? Are the OYL titles part of the same continuity? I guess DC wants us to ask these questions right now.

On a side note, I liked seeing Klarion briefly at stone hedge. It's nice to finally see 7 Soldiers intertwining with the rest of the DCU.

[Modi]

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing. If Superboy Prime was kept prisoner on the planet with the Red Sun for years by the Flashes, that would mean Bart Allen, since he was there, would've grown up as well. Sounds like he'll become the new Flash if that's the case.[/QUOTE]


sounds pretty cool.

[shaxper]

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing. If Superboy Prime was kept prisoner on the planet with the Red Sun for years by the Flashes, that would mean Bart Allen, since he was there, would've grown up as well. Sounds like he'll become the new Flash if that's the case.




I'm still wondering where they're going to show this story. Will it appear in 52 even though it happened before the end of IC, or maybe will it appear in some Flash mini-series that will lead in to the new Flash title?

[aeastwic]

From what's been spoiled so far, it seems like most of the major conflicts and issues have been wrapped up in INFINITE CRISIS # 6, but there's supposed to be one more issue. What is # 7 going to be about?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)


At the end of the issue, on the DC Nation page, issue 7 is going to be everyone versus Superboy Prime

[Super Samurai]

Wow! What an evenful issue. It was cool to see a few of the different Earths(Earth 0 rocks!) also plenty of action. We get to see Brother Eye finally fall and the return of the Spectre.

Man also Superboy's death was freaking awesome, sad to see him go though

[Cayman]

BOO to the death of Psycho Pirate!

:mad:

Cay

[davros42]

I don't know. After a ride like this, I expect to end up somewhere different from where I started.

But there's still one more issue to fix that.


As the tuning fork tower explodes there's a number of "shards" showing reaction and a couple of moments in DC history...

One of which is Superboy being welcomed to Smallville, another appears to be General Zod's crew. More interestingly, there appears to be a newspaper headline regarding Joe Chill, the mugger who killed Batman's parents... It seems to imply that certain previously out-of-continuity events are restored to continuity in New Earth... So we are different from where we started, we just don't know how different yet! But we'll see more of that in 52 no doubt. Just read the issue before judging, and yeah one more to go still!

Also, blah to the death of the Psycho Pirate.

[davros42]

And I nearly forgot this:

Some great peeks at alternate Earths too...
It looks like Earth-247 is where the previous Legion ended up... But wasn't Live Wire supposed to be in Alchemist's body?

Earth-0 of course is the bizarro Earth!

Earth-97 is from that Alternate Universe 5th week event DC did ages ago.. Wasn't someone in the main DC forum just asking about them?

Earth-898, is that all DC's old Western Heroes?

Still not sure what Earth-154 and Earth-462 are... and that cool Aztec/Mayan/Incan would on the following page...

[lalalei2001]

Does someone have an image of Superboy's death please? Thanks. :)

[SuperSince92]

Concerning the shards near the end of the book...


The scenes with Wonder Woman feature her with other members of the JLA turned into trees. What is that from?

I'm pumped about the prospect of getting a legit General Zod again, complete with his two henchmen like in Superman II. I just hope it pans out!

[EZMOHR]

Black Adam.....I mean wow. And the Conner Kent thing was....wow.

[JoshuaB]

And I nearly forgot this:

Some great peeks at alternate Earths too...
It looks like Earth-247 is where the previous Legion ended up... But wasn't Live Wire supposed to be in Alchemist's body?

Earth-0 of course is the bizarro Earth!

Earth-97 is from that Alternate Universe 5th week event DC did ages ago.. Wasn't someone in the main DC forum just asking about them?

Earth-898, is that all DC's old Western Heroes?

Still not sure what Earth-154 and Earth-462 are... and that cool Aztec/Mayan/Incan would on the following page...


So I wonder if there will any more explanation about Earth-247...the disappearance of the old Legion and Shikari was such a huge moment at the end of the Titans/Legion Special....?

[Michael P]

Concerning the shards near the end of the book...


The scenes with Wonder Woman feature her with other members of the JLA turned into trees. What is that from?

Justice League of America #9: "The Origin of the Justice League!"

[Jake V]

I liked the issue and all, but I've got sort of an unrelated question:

Is the cover stock on the issues you guys bought noticably worse than the previous issues? The covers used to be semi-cardstock, and my #6 was just standard cover stock.

Kinda disappointed about that, but the issue itself was really cool.

[dep1982]

So issue seven has to tie up the following:

- The loss of Superman's powers
- Batman and Robin's disappearance for a year


What else?

[Supes35]

I think its safe to say that Bart is going to be the new Flash.

As for Superboy's death, all I have to say, is wow. It was very sad and very emotional. I think all of this is going to propel him to icon status, now.

[Guts/Batman]

Good issue, IMO.

Finally meaningful stuff actually happened. I don't agree with Superboy dying but that's ok because we finally had Brother Eye being dealt with. It's just kinda sad that it took us this long to get to this point.

[Murrocko]

What Spectre did was really messed up and samething with Black Adam (though it was really cool). A lot went down, but I don't really feel that Nightwing do as much as he was hyped out to have done in this issue :(

So what's going to happen next? Showdown between SB-Prime and E-2 Superman? Alex Luthor runs off to fight another day?

[Lorendiac]

Okay, if I understand the rules properly, as they are explained at the very top of this thread, then since today was the official release date, I don't need to use SPOIL tags when I talk about IC #6 within this Spoilers-labelled thread. Right? :)

Again? :D Well, at least THIS time, all the heroes may remember what happened. Anyway, this issue sounds incredible.

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing. If Superboy Prime was kept prisoner on the planet with the Red Sun for years by the Flashes, that would mean Bart Allen, since he was there, would've grown up as well. Sounds like he'll become the new Flash if that's the case.

It's ambiguous. Superboy-Prime's exact words here are: "The Flashes kept me imprisoned for years under red sunlight. But I found a way out. I always find a way out."

Okay, so from his point of view, he spent at least two years (hence his use of "years" in the plural) in a red-sunlight environment where the Flashes dumped him.

But did the Flashes actually spend that same couple of years standing right next to him, constantly monitoring his activities?

Maybe; maybe not. He doesn't actually say that his imprisonment included hourly checks of his prison cell by one Flash or another, for instance.

I tend to favor "not." If they were monitoring him every hour of the day, every day of the year, how did he manage to gather together the necessary components to assemble his energy-collector-armor to help him become, and then remain, all powered up with yellow sunlight? If he was only moving at normal human speed, it would have taken a heck of a long time to build such a thing and any properly powered Flash could have undone a day's work in the blink of an eye. Is it possible they dumped him on a red-sunlight-world somewhere, and then left him alone for awhile as they, say, tried to figure out how to get themselves back home by moving through Time and Space in just the right fashion, or some silly thing? Did they actually experience all the time that he experienced, or was it significantly less from their point of view?

[Jkid099]

So what's going to happen next? Showdown between SB-Prime and E-2 Superman? Alex Luthor runs off to fight another day?

I'm guessing a big showdown with Superboy-Prime who will probably be going ape-sh*t now that he doesn't have a chance to get to a "perfect Earth" and essentially wash away all his sins which were "forced upon him." I have a feeling that there's going to be an 11th hour plot twist in regard to Prime ... but maybe not.

As for Luthor, I have a strong feeling that he's going to get offed by the Joker at the end of the last issue. :-)

[Gentlegamer]

I liked the issue and all, but I've got sort of an unrelated question:

Is the cover stock on the issues you guys bought noticably worse than the previous issues? The covers used to be semi-cardstock, and my #6 was just standard cover stock.Mine was on standard cover stock, as well.

[Lorendiac]

It's ambiguous. Superboy-Prime's exact words here are: "The Flashes kept me imprisoned for years under red sunlight. But I found a way out. I always find a way out."

This just in: Over on DC's own boards, someone has just pointed out that in DC Comics Presents #87, toward the end, Superman was enfeebled by exposure to something radiating red solar energy, but Superboy-Prime stepped forward and smashed that puppy, saying, "--which neutralizes your powers! It doesn't seem to work on me!" and Superman (of Earth-1) said admiringly, "Vive la difference!"

It appears that either Geoff Johns forgot about this in his plotting, or else the Flashes made a hideously mistaken assumption regarding what would really enfeeble Superboy-Prime . . . or, I suggest, the "natural laws" for how a Krypton-Prime native's metabolism works are different in whatever world/universe/etc. Superboy-Prime ended up "imprisoned" in, offstage, than the rules that applied to his metabolism when he was fooling around on the Earth-Prime of his native universe, back in the day :)

[Paul Newell]

No need for spoiler tags now, guys. :)

[lucifernomi]

I'm starting to get the feeling that whatever measures the flashes took to keep SBP imprisoned for "years" is going to have some long-reaching consequences in some story arc down the road. It just seemslike the sort of thing that will have somehow disrupted the balance of the universe, or something. Probably because, as of yet, we hardly know anything about it.

[aeastwic]

I'm starting to get the feeling that whatever measures the flashes took to keep SBP imprisoned for "years" is going to have some long-reaching consequences in some story arc down the road. It just seemslike the sort of thing that will have somehow disrupted the balance of the universe, or something. Probably because, as of yet, we hardly know anything about it.

Maybe they took him to the far future of Earth when the sun is almost exhausted and emitting red light. It might collapse into something like that.

[Nessor Sille]

Yeah, the Reboot Garth Ranzz (or the Earth 247 Garth, as I guess we should call him now) was inhabiting the crystalline remains of deceased Legionnaire Jan Arrah/Element Lad when last seen.

There are two possibilities:

a) During the time Shikari was on her likely never-to-be-revealed (sigh) quest for the Reboot Legionnaires, Garth got his original form back and lost his arm again

-or-

b) The artist of that panel used the wrong reference material for depicting Garth, explaining why he's got that artificial arm he lost way back in Legion Lost.

I have to say, as a diehard fan of the Reboot/DnA Legion, I'm disappointed that this was their final (?) hurrah. Shikari's quest and reunion reduced to a throwaway panel, on an Earth that ceased to exist several pages later. :(

[marvelboi77]

Good book, good read. Issue 6 is the only one out of the 6 that I have really liked. The other 5 were just ok or below average.

[Lorendiac]

Good book, good read. Issue 6 is the only one out of the 6 that I have really liked. The other 5 were just ok or below average.

Actually, so far the moment that's made the most impact on me as a reader is probably the two-page spread in #5 with all those beautiful Earths spread out across the sky . . . I knew it wasn't going to last, but it really appealed to me visually . . . almost made me feel like I was looking up in the sky myself and seeing all that . . . while realizing that if it did happen in real life, I'd be screaming in panic, "What's keeping all those other planets from 'falling down on us' because of the huge gravitational attractions at such close range?"

[The Dark Knight]

So the Multiverse machine was destroyed because superboy and SBP rammed into it? Why didn't Superboy just ram it by himself in the first place then? Or were Superboy and SBP going back and forth and thats why it suffered so much damage.
And also, how exactly was Brother Eye destroyed? They changed its orbit therefore resulting in...what?

[ShaggyB]

It appears that either Geoff Johns forgot about this in his plotting, or else the Flashes made a hideously mistaken assumption regarding what would really enfeeble Superboy-Prime . . . or, I suggest, the "natural laws" for how a Krypton-Prime native's metabolism works are different in whatever world/universe/etc. Superboy-Prime ended up "imprisoned" in, offstage, than the rules that applied to his metabolism when he was fooling around on the Earth-Prime of his native universe, back in the day :)

Why does everyone say hes earth-prime kryptonian. i thought his origin was he read comics and one day kissed this girl and sorta got supermans powers instantly (similar to the highten cases of stress make mutants display their powers for the first time, over in the marvel universe)

was it established he was from krypton-prime?

[ShaggyB]

So the Multiverse machine was destroyed because superboy and SBP rammed into it? Why didn't Superboy just ram it by himself in the first place then? Or were Superboy and SBP going back and forth and thats why it suffered so much damage.
And also, how exactly was Brother Eye destroyed? They changed its orbit therefore resulting in...what?

read OMAC special for death of brother eye.

as to the tune-fork breaking, nah they were going at it but only struck it after sbp went after nightwing. (and connor admited not fighting prime earlier and basically letting him kick his ass)

[lucifernomi]

So the Multiverse machine was destroyed because superboy and SBP rammed into it? Why didn't Superboy just ram it by himself in the first place then?

...maybe he had a sneaking suspiscion that doing so would KILL him?

And also, how exactly was Brother Eye destroyed? They changed its orbit therefore resulting in...what?

It seems most logical that Terrific threw Brother Eye out of orbit in the direction of Earth, and its wonderful gravitational field.

[lucifernomi]

(and connor admited not fighting prime earlier and basically letting him kick his ass)

I know we're discussion this on another thread, but for the record, I think it's safe to say he was just talking trash.

[Young Avenger]

I enjoyed the issue. I thought that too much was going on which made it hard to follow for me. I'm upset that Nightwing didn't get to do anything. All he did was kick Alex in the face. Otherwise, it was a good issue.

I got a question. On page 8 there's a panel where the heroes are wearing clothing similiar to what was worn in ancient Rome. The line of dialogue spoken by Batman made me think. Is this panel based on Alan Moore's "Twlight of Superheroes" proposal?

[Lorendiac]

Why does everyone say hes earth-prime kryptonian. i thought his origin was he read comics and one day kissed this girl and sorta got supermans powers instantly (similar to the highten cases of stress make mutants display their powers for the first time, over in the marvel universe)

was it established he was from krypton-prime?

Absolutely. In DC Comics Presents #87 in 1985, we were given his "origin story." Unlike the Clark Kents of Earth-2 (Golden Age) or Earth-1 (Silver Age), he did not grow up having superpowers to some degree all through his childhood.

But he was born on Krypton-Prime, in the same universe as Earth-Prime, son of Jor-El and Lara. They managed to teleport him directly to Earth before their world died. Then he spent a good many years growing up as a very normal boy. He was on a date with his girlfriend, Laurie, when he discovered all of a sudden that he could fly. There was some talk in the captions that suggested it had something to do with Haley's Comet, and/or a shift in the Earth's magnetic field. (I'm not sure about the kiss happening right before that, though -- that may have been a retcon as part of Infinite Crisis #6.)

And as you say, he read comics regularly. That was why he was wearing a Superboy costume on his date with his girlfriend.

[Chinofish]

Does anyone find it suspicious that Superboy Prime states that he "Designed" that armor but no more than 9 pages later doesn't know the definition of the word "hypocrisy"? Was boy prime being satirical, because i couldn't detect it. I suppose if there is somebody else that built the armor for him it will be revealed later because for a moment i thought it sort of looked like E-1 Luthor's green and purple armor and thought there was a connection.

Also you can make out Cpt. Marvel on the page where hawkgirl disappears, Hawkgirl was part of the Ran/Than War crew but when was Shazam involved with the Ran/Than War crew, plus why would he have his powers since the wizard is now dead?

Finally of all the E-1's heroes, why did batman choose black lightning? does G. johns like him and was doing his retro is cool thing? was batman trying to piss off brother one /c it is the first ever artificially intelligent racist? Was batman fulfilling quota for his superhero mission (b/c if so he neglected to bring an asian hero along since he had almost every other ethnicity on board)?

As for Earth's orbit, i think according to physics a satellite is something propelled by some force (possibly the propellsion system mentioned by batman) that keeps it orbiting around the earth at constant velocity and constant changing acceleration, once this force is disrpted it loses its "momentum" to speak, and gravity and acceleration now forces the satellite towards earth.

Thanks, can't wait for the battle royal finale with boy prime.

[ShaggyB]

I know we're discussion this on another thread, but for the record, I think it's safe to say he was just talking trash.

true, and ill join in that when i get off work, but i thought it was funny that he said it after i read that issue and went "damn dont fight back or nothing"


Also you can make out Cpt. Marvel on the page where hawkgirl disappears, Hawkgirl was part of the Ran/Than War crew but when was Shazam involved with the Ran/Than War crew, plus why would he have his powers since the wizard is now dead?


Well sence Shazam gifted him the power of gods (believe it was gods, someone check it) not shazam's own power. he was given a word to link himself to this power. So technically he still has it due to the wizard creating a path to it for him.

[aeastwic]

Does anyone find it suspicious that Superboy Prime states that he "Designed" that armor but no more than 9 pages later doesn't know the definition of the word "hypocrisy"? Was boy prime being satirical, because i couldn't detect it. I suppose if there is somebody else that built the armor for him it will be revealed later because for a moment i thought it sort of looked like E-1 Luthor's green and purple armor and thought there was a connection.




Alex Luthor did say that Superboy was changed fundamentally. I think SBP knows what hypocrisy is, but aside from ahtw e is, he isn't a hypocrite...he knows what he is doing but has deluded himself that the ends justify the means.

[aeastwic]

Absolutely. In DC Comics Presents #87 in 1985, we were given his "origin story." Unlike the Clark Kents of Earth-2 (Golden Age) or Earth-1 (Silver Age), he did not grow up having superpowers to some degree all through his childhood.

But he was born on Krypton-Prime, in the same universe as Earth-Prime, son of Jor-El and Lara. They managed to teleport him directly to Earth before their world died. Then he spent a good many years growing up as a very normal boy. He was on a date with his girlfriend, Laurie, when he discovered all of a sudden that he could fly. There was some talk in the captions that suggested it had something to do with Haley's Comet, and/or a shift in the Earth's magnetic field. (I'm not sure about the kiss happening right before that, though -- that may have been a retcon as part of Infinite Crisis #6.)

And as you say, he read comics regularly. That was why he was wearing a Superboy costume on his date with his girlfriend.


Maybe his retcon punch affected himself? I also thought that a red sun woulnd't sap him, but...

[Dr. Killtrocity]

I'd say Adam topped topped SBP in coolest IC panel in this issue.

I had to make this.

http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/5176/dadam1ud.jpg

[shyguy]

Okay issue, although I don't see why Superboy's death was necessary and his death scene was really trite.

I thought the Star Saphire thing was weird. What did she think would happen if she hung out around the Spectre? Also, I thought that Seven Soldiers took place during 52, in which case Klarion shouldn't be there (and it did appear to be Morrison's Klarion and not the previous one).

Seems like a waste to off Psycho Pirate like that. I guess it's easy enough to give someone else the Medusa Mask.

Interesting to see that it looks like Wonder Woman has been reinserted as a founding member of the Justice League and Superman might have been Superboy again.

Nice to see that Donna Troy's gang finally accomplished something.

I'm dissapointed that Booster Gold didn't get to do more. The time has been ripe ever since Countdown for him to make a significant contribution to this whole event, and all he's done so far is round up the new Blue Beetle.

I would have liked to see Earth 2 Wonder Woman hang around after bringing Diana to Earth 2. It would have been interesting to see how she reacted to what Superman-2 was up to, and he dissapearance seemed really unecessary.

I did like Martian Manhunter's dialog. As a big J'onn fan, it's interesting to note that he has a tendency to give really cool trash talk when he's about to beat somebody down.

[Chinofish]

Alex Luthor did say that Superboy was changed fundamentally. I think SBP knows what hypocrisy is, but aside from ahtw e is, he isn't a hypocrite...he knows what he is doing but has deluded himself that the ends justify the means.
Yes that is a possibility OR.... G. Johns fooled us and IC has done more damage than he led us to believe for perhaps the real damage from primes retcon punch doesn't just change the DC universe, but extends to the english language and now the word "hypocrite" has been retconned.

[Rockman]

Does someone have an image of Superboy's death please? Thanks. :)

Request Granted.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6201/superboydeath24sj.th.jpg (http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superboydeath24sj.jpg)

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1544/superboydeath13ri.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superboydeath13ri.jpg)

[lalalei2001]

Awesome. Thank you.

[Ragnorok64]

good issue. Though i'm still confused why ramming into the tuning fork killed Conner. Also why didn;t Martian Manhunter just render Superboy Prime unconsious with his powers? issue 7 should be interesting though.

[EZMOHR]

So, I don't think it will happen, but do you think we will we get a quasi-sequel to what Supes did to the 3 Kryptonian Villians if Clark deals with Superboy Prime.

[Chango]

Okay issue, although I don't see why Superboy's death was necessary and his death scene was really trite.

I thought the Star Saphire thing was weird. What did she think would happen if she hung out around the Spectre? Also, I thought that Seven Soldiers took place during 52, in which case Klarion shouldn't be there (and it did appear to be Morrison's Klarion and not the previous one).

Seems like a waste to off Psycho Pirate like that. I guess it's easy enough to give someone else the Medusa Mask.

Interesting to see that it looks like Wonder Woman has been reinserted as a founding member of the Justice League and Superman might have been Superboy again.

Nice to see that Donna Troy's gang finally accomplished something.

I'm dissapointed that Booster Gold didn't get to do more. The time has been ripe ever since Countdown for him to make a significant contribution to this whole event, and all he's done so far is round up the new Blue Beetle.

I would have liked to see Earth 2 Wonder Woman hang around after bringing Diana to Earth 2. It would have been interesting to see how she reacted to what Superman-2 was up to, and he dissapearance seemed really unecessary.

I did like Martian Manhunter's dialog. As a big J'onn fan, it's interesting to note that he has a tendency to give really cool trash talk when he's about to beat somebody down.

Although I would like to see more Booster Gold action, he has indeed accomplished a great deal, remember the historical records show that Batman and friends never did find Brother Eye.

But it sounds like there will be plenty of villains for all to battle.

Interesting thing is why Beetle would want to escape from the GLs?

[Rockman]

I was wondering did all the earths that alex was trying to mix and match to make a better earth. All combine after superboy push superboy prime into alex tower, making a new history for the the DC Universe now?

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3941/newearth5vy.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newearth5vy.jpg)

[ShaggyB]

I also thought that a red sun woulnd't sap him, but...
Yeah, he has none of superman's weakness, red sun, kryptonite and magic do nothing to him.

Interesting thing is why Beetle would want to escape from the GLs?

Guy attacks him in Beetle #1, its kinda addressed in that but BB#1 was a terribly drawn and written issue, I think ill pull out some spidey and relive teen superhero-ness.

I was wondering did all the earths that alex was trying to mix and match to make a better earth. All combine after superboy push superboy prime into the alex tower, made a new history for the the DC Universe now?

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3941/newearth5vy.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newearth5vy.jpg)
yes that, for now, is basically what you are to think. we shall see what changed.

[Jake V]

Also, I thought that Seven Soldiers took place during 52, in which case Klarion shouldn't be there (and it did appear to be Morrison's Klarion and not the previous one).
Morrison (or maybe DiDio) said that Seven Soldiers takes place literally the week before Infinite Crisis.

I loved that Klarion was there. Were any other of the Seven Soldiers in the book? I thought I saw Frankenstein last issue.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Well, this was the BIG FIGHT issue and it delivered, more or less. I guess.

Can't say it really met my high expectations though. I was expecting something a little more clever than a bunch of people pounding on each other until something explodes. The key difference between the DC characters and the Marvel characters was that the DC characters would, more often than not, out-think their opponents rather than out-punch them. What exactly was the strategy here? Even Batman's assault on OMAC seemed painfully obvious.

I'm intrigued about the New Earth though...

[botch]

Reading this issue makes me think that this would be such a great movie. Even solely just for this issue. Just 3 hours of action packed insanity.

[20yrslater]

Overall, I really enjoyed the issue, and thought that connor's death was virtuous and symbolic. The boy who couldn't do anything right, did the right thing when it counted.

I also liked the Professor telling Jason to change the energy from the other heroes into positive matter to slice off Alex's anti-matter finger. Seems like this scene, and Connor's death scene, echoed and honored COIE nicely.

I love the Black Adam "no more silly faces" line, that was great, and very in character.

I wished they explored the BB thing a bit more, but thought that they way the satellite was taken out was clever. Especially since it didn't require anything too fancy like a hybrid Martian-Amazonian-Thanagarian-Mother Box death ray and can opener.

As for #7, I think we'll see the heroes/villans throwdown, Lex getting his revenge on Alex, and Joker causes SBP to go WAY over the edge.

[glennsim]

So what was the source of Earth 462? I recognize the Wonder Girl from the Wonder Woman TV series, and the Cathy Lee Crosby Wonder Woman, but who are the other characters?

Also, what was the source of the Incan "Superman Family" earth?

[Steve Brady]

good issue. Though i'm still confused why ramming into the tuning fork killed Conner. Also why didn;t Martian Manhunter just render Superboy Prime unconsious with his powers? issue 7 should be interesting though.

Connor looks rather impaled by a bit of the machine.

Also, is his right hand missing in the last shot?

[Super Monkey]

The REAL Zod?
The REAL Superboy?

Don't tease me like that!

[hoopoe]

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1544/superboydeath13ri.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superboydeath13ri.jpg)


What is written to the right of Conner? I can't make it out.

Anyone?

[Barrister]

This was my least favorite issue so far. It made me think that this series will accomplish absolutely nothing. Sure, it was a fun ride, but outside of a bunch of deaths, what makes the impact of this crisis any different than Millenium, Bloodlines, or Our World At War? I don't think Infinite Crisis will rightly be called the heir to COIE, but I'll hold off judgment till all is said and done.

Questions:

1. New Earth - I'm not sure its a "new" earth. I think its the same old "new earth" that was created by COIE. It just added shards of stuff introduced into present continuity that conflicted with other stuff, so that Superboy in Smallsville exists (confirming that it's goodbye Man of Steel, hello Birthright?), the Phantom Zone villains exists, etc. So either its the same old "new earth," or its an extremely similar "new earth" with added elements. Am I way off here?

2. Batman telling Booster: "You do not know how to talk to children" - better line than the one chiding Superman in issue #1? I nearly spat out my Diet Black Cherry Vanilla Coke.

3. Can someone explain how Brother Eye and the OMACs really fit into everything? How was it working for Max and Alex?

[UniqueFrequency]

3. Can someone explain how Brother Eye and the OMACs really fit into everything? How was it working for Max and Alex?

i've been wondering about this too. we've seen how Alex and SBP have caused the Secret Society and the Rann/Thanagar War, but how about Max and Brother Eye? or have i missed something?

[JeffreyWKramer]

I find it hard to believe anyone is still enjoying this book.

We see more pointless character deaths, including yet another death of a character who was once pretty fun (the Kon-El Superboy). We see big, dramatic non events, like Donna prophetically screaming "Wonder Woman and Superman are going to DIE!!!"... yet they don't. We have the whole scene with the Spectre and all the mystic guys, which serves no apparent purpose given what is going in in the rest of the story at this point. The big resolution of the mega-plot is more or less "the big gizmo goes kablooey and everything goes back to normal" - gee, that's new and exciting.

Ugh. I'm glad I don't pay for this stuff.

Things that didn't suck:
- Black Adam's "No more funny faces" was probably the best line of dialogue in the series so far. Not soo cool with the gruesome death, but at least there is still another Psycho Pirate out there (see the end of Grant Morrison's ANIMAL MAN).
- At least Superboy's death kind of accomplished something.
- Batman being a bit more human in terms of how he interacts with others.

Those are not bad things, but they weren't worth sitting through this stuff for.

Grade = D

[Michael P]

I'd just like to say that I never thought the Multiverse was coming back, and don't quite get why people did.

[Matchstick]

I'm a longtime lurker posting for the first time...

I liked the issue a lot, I especially liked the use of Mr. Terrific on the satellite. He's a great character and should be used outside of the JSA more.

One thing I noticed...
In the scene with the Spectre, as they're preparing to summon him, there is a panel showing two characters holding hands. Doesn't one of the hands look an awful lot like Swamp Thing? I know he's not part of the DCU anymore, and maybe it was someone else, but I thought it maybe was a way to reference him subtly. In fact, after seeing that, I decided to look closer to see if I could see any references to a certain blond Brit in a trenchcoat, but no such luck. Though it also seems that the Faust character was serving the Constantine role.

[aeastwic]

good issue. Though i'm still confused why ramming into the tuning fork killed Conner. Also why didn;t Martian Manhunter just render Superboy Prime unconsious with his powers? issue 7 should be interesting though.

It looks like wreckage from the tower impaled him in his lower torso. Also, he doesn't have the invulnerability that Superman has, he probably couldn't take that kind of explosion with all his other injuries.

Hmmm.... MM might have been able to do that. Either SBP is immune or it would be too detrimental to the plot to have him take him out.

[aeastwic]

So what was the source of Earth 462? I recognize the Wonder Girl from the Wonder Woman TV series, and the Cathy Lee Crosby Wonder Woman, but who are the other characters?

Also, what was the source of the Incan "Superman Family" earth?


I think the Incan world was the result of merging two other Earths. When Alex pushed them together, he looked into his crystal ball and saw that. He didn't like that they were still fighting and he crushed the world with his hands.

[aeastwic]

i've been wondering about this too. we've seen how Alex and SBP have caused the Secret Society and the Rann/Thanagar War, but how about Max and Brother Eye? or have i missed something?


Alex upgraded Brother Eye so that it could do the math required to find all the Earths. We don't know if he was manipulating Max Lord or not. Seems like no.

The events of the Omac project are a direct result of Alex modifying Brother Eye and stealing him from Batman. Lord either was able to exploit the satellite or Alex allowed him to use it.

Also, the Omacs provided Alex a private army.

[stealthwise]

Man, I love this mini-series so far, as it's pushing all the right buttons for me. Is it perfect? Hell no, but at least it's a lot more enjoyable than the comics that were being put out last year, and the year before, etc.

I was completely skeptical as to how all of this would go down, but now I'm really enjoying what DC's doing with the majority of IC tie-ins, IC itself, and the OYL books that I've read.

Great action, great "Hell yeah!" moments with Black Adam shanking Psycho Pirate, Hal Jordan and Bats working together again (I LOVED GL #9) and Conner's death being handled relatively poignantly.

One great moment that no one's mentioned yet is when Alexander Luthor is looking for Earth-Prime and then turns and breaks the fourth wall momentarily. It was well-constructed, without being too jarring (i.e. ruining it with a splash page or something).

[Logansmiddleclaw]

I thought I read somewhere that this series was designed to "streamline" the DC Universe...i.e. finally address some of the continuity issues that have plaqued DC since the original Crisis--if this is true, I think the series will be a success....I never went into this thinking the multiverse would return either.

As of issue #6, I feel a little underwhelmed....dunno, but I expected a little more from this issue...seems like this should have been a fight that occurred last issue. Nevertheless, I'm curious to see how this all shakes out in issue #7.

[Ian J.N.]

I thought it was a top notch issue. Batman was spot-on perfect in this issue. He retained all his good qualities, wielding his team like a scalpel, disciplined not to cut-and-run knowing Dick is in danger, but he trusted everyone to do their part. I like how it was Mr. Terrific who delivered the kill shot, as the control-freak Batman would have tried to do it himself. And it was a nice touch having Hal rescue him, given Bats' former distrust of the hero. "You can never trust them again after all they have done." "I'll take my chances." Awesome.

Really disappointed that the multiverse isn't coming back (bah! status quo!), though I have to admit, the route they took fits better with the story. The Earth is split apart, weakened to the point of destruction, and is put back together in a unified whole. The idea runs parallel with the split/reunification of the hero community and the Big Three. That aspect makes Kon's sacrifice particularly poignant--more than even Barry Allen's, imo.

So this issue had the Big Three juniors in action (Nightwing, Superboy, Wonder Girl). Next month will have the real deal. Can't wait.

[aeastwic]

One great moment that no one's mentioned yet is when Alexander Luthor is looking for Earth-Prime and then turns and breaks the fourth wall momentarily. It was well-constructed, without being too jarring (i.e. ruining it with a splash page or something).


Ha! I didn't realize that was what that was until you mentioned it. But yes, that was exactly what it was.

[ShaggyB]

Ha! I didn't realize that was what that was until you mentioned it. But yes, that was exactly what it was.

from one citizen of earth-prime to another... I feel scared. lol

[Cayman]

This was the first issue of the mini that I thought was really, really good. I enjoyed it without reservations.

Cay

[aeastwic]

from one citizen of earth-prime to another... I feel scared. lol


My new worst fear is a giant pair of yellow hands coming after me....

[SuperManny]

So, I don't think it will happen, but do you think we will we get a quasi-sequel to what Supes did to the 3 Kryptonian Villians if Clark deals with Superboy Prime.

I've been thinking about the Spectre's role in this, especially after his summoning in the middle of the issue. I'm willing to bet he's the one that will be banishing Superboy somewhere or just punishing him to death. There's no way the current DCU, besides Kal-L, that can tango with his Pre-Crisis Superman powers.

And I'm also convinced the Joker will give Alexander the payback ;)

Also, what was the source of the Incan "Superman Family" earth?

I'm willing to bet it was Alan Moore's script for Twilight of the Gods, which was his version of "Kingdom Come" back in the late 80's. In it, the Superman "family", the Marvel "family" and the Batman "family" are engaged in different rivalries. They even each had a different "house".

Any other guesses?

[SuperManny]

Has anyone else figured out Donna Troy's role in this crisis yet?

That two pager in this issue didn't help much in defining it further, other than she led a team to the center of the universe. I guess she anticipated Luthor's hands were going to be there, because they haven't done much other than Firestorm's blast.

Maybe that's her role?

Fight the hands? :)

[Michael P]

Alex upgraded Brother Eye so that it could do the math required to find all the Earths. We don't know if he was manipulating Max Lord or not. Seems like no.

The events of the Omac project are a direct result of Alex modifying Brother Eye and stealing him from Batman. Lord either was able to exploit the satellite or Alex allowed him to use it.

Also, the Omacs provided Alex a private army.
Maybe Alex *was* Max.

[Ian J.N.]

I'm willing to bet it was Alan Moore's script for Twilight of the Gods, which was his version of "Kingdom Come" back in the late 80's. In it, the Superman "family", the Marvel "family" and the Batman "family" are engaged in different rivalries. They even each had a different "house".

Any other guesses?
Hmm, I took it to be a completely new Earth produced by amalgamation, and not one we've ever seen before.

[lucifernomi]

Alex upgraded Brother Eye so that it could do the math required to find all the Earths. We don't know if he was manipulating Max Lord or not. Seems like no.

The events of the Omac project are a direct result of Alex modifying Brother Eye and stealing him from Batman. Lord either was able to exploit the satellite or Alex allowed him to use it.

Also, the Omacs provided Alex a private army.


Also, pulling some strings behind the scenes to help Max Lord in his goal allowed Alex to reinforce his point that Earth 1 in inherently evil. The OMACs served as his personal army, but also an elaborate way to distract the DCU heroes from discovering and interfering with his plan right away.

[aeastwic]

Hmm, I took it to be a completely new Earth produced by amalgamation, and not one we've ever seen before.


It's going to mostly be the DCU we knew before IC, however according to DiDo it gives them the chance to un-do anything since COIE that they might want to change. So if someone died recently, they might be coming back.

But not Superboy (Con-EL); he's still pushing up daisies OYL

[Tom]

Has anyone else figured out Donna Troy's role in this crisis yet?

That two pager in this issue didn't help much in defining it further, other than she led a team to the center of the universe. I guess she anticipated Luthor's hands were going to be there, because they haven't done much other than Firestorm's blast.

Maybe that's her role?

Fight the hands? :)
That's pretty much it. Had her group not attacked Alex at exactly that moment, he would have killed Wonder Woman and the Supermen by smashing E2 into another earth.

[aeastwic]

That's pretty much it. Had her group not attacked Alex at exactly that moment, he would have killed Wonder Woman and the Supermen by smashing E2 into another earth.


That's a plot-hole though. Donna did say that Superman and WW would have been killed, yet the book clearly shows that when Earths are merged, the people survive. Maybe they would have died because they were not native to Earth-2. E2 Superman might have been the one merging with Alex Luthor's dad.

Oh...there are so many things happening that it can make your head hurt!

[lucifernomi]

That's pretty much it. Had her group not attacked Alex at exactly that moment, he would have killed Wonder Woman and the Supermen by smashing E2 into another earth.

Yes, but had she and the rest of her team stayed on Earth-1, they could have gone to the arctic with Conner, Dick, and Cassie. Considering how damn powerful some of her team is, they could probably have destroyed the tower, stopped Alex from combining the Earths from the other side, then joined the effort to defeat Prime.

I dunno, it just seems like they would have done more good if they'd stayed home. Who were they fighting out there before Alex's hands appeared, anyway?

[Be Stiff]

Christ- is it just me or is he missing a hand and a foot on that last page? I don't even want to go into how that arm's twisted round...

[soda]

I'm convinced that Alex and Max Lord are the same person, there's no way there are two people in the DCU with that kind of ability to mind control a superman.

Onto the issue, I thought it was very good. One thing that jumped out at me, that no one seems to be talking about, is Alexander's attempt to create "the perfect superman" by fusing together this superman with his father. So, let me ask you this, was this aborted by SBP, nightwing and connor royally smashing his little party? How far did Alex get in fusing together Supes and Lex Luthor of earth-3 before he was stopped? Could this be the reason why Supes is depowered OYL?

So many cool moments in this issue, how long was SBP in the speed force, what were the flashes doing to keep tabs on him? so many unanswered questions, can't wait for the last issue.

Also can't believe that Jeffrey Kramer hates it, or that he apparently keeps paying to read it despite that hatred.

[Tom]

That's a plot-hole though. Donna did say that Superman and WW would have been killed, yet the book clearly shows that when Earths are merged, the people survive. Maybe they would have died because they were not native to Earth-2. E2 Superman might have been the one merging with Alex Luthor's dad.

Oh...there are so many things happening that it can make your head hurt!
Are you sure about that? Psycho Pirate said that billions of souls were being destroyed. Where did it depict survivors of a merged earth?

[Tom]

I dunno, it just seems like they would have done more good if they'd stayed home. Who were they fighting out there before Alex's hands appeared, anyway?They were saving the Rannians, Thanagarians and Omegans that were trying to escape the big rip in space.

[Ian J.N.]

They were saving the Rannians, Thanagarians and Omegans that were trying to escape the big rip in space.
Yeah, plus hindsight is 20-20. You know something bad's going to happen, but you don't know what. Do you stick around on Earth hoping to be in the right place at the right time, or do you go check out that big freakin' abnormal hole in outer space. Also, there's no guarantee they would've made a difference on Earth. Alex had an army of OMACs and supervillains at his disposal, plus near omniscient vision with his crystals. It's likely he would have dealt with Donna's team before they even discovered where he was hiding.

[aeastwic]

Are you sure about that? Psycho Pirate said that billions of souls were being destroyed. Where did it depict survivors of a merged earth?


That's how I read it. Alex merged two Earths and then looked at the results. There were people on there, completely different from what was shown to be on the two Earths before they merged.

The aztec people were, I thought, to be the result of a merged Earth.

Alex didn't like the result, so he destroyed the merged Earth. That's where Psycho Pirate said that billions of souls were being destroyed. Merging doesn't kill people, but Alex seems to be destroying Earths he doesn' t like. Hence the comment about he created the garden and he can destroy what he likes.

Psycho Pirate did give us some explanation for where these people came from. Apparently they were not completely wiped from existence since Alex was able to call the Earths from somewhere, complete with people.

Isn't it weird though that there are people shown on every other Earth except Earth-2? I can't remember a panel where someone other than the JSA, E2 Superman, Lois, Wonder Woman or E1 Superman was shown? Could Alex not populate that one, but all others? Or is it an art oversight?

[Tom]

I read that Aztec-y world as an earth he was rejecting as unsuitable for merging.

[Jason H]

And I nearly forgot this:

Some great peeks at alternate Earths too...


Earth-898, is that all DC's old Western Heroes?

Still not sure what Earth-154 and Earth-462 are... and that cool Aztec/Mayan/Incan would on the following page.

A request for DC:

more of Earth 462, please. :D

[Yoda]

Is that Aztec world explained in the Absolute Crisis companion book?

[glennsim]

I think the Incan world was the result of merging two other Earths. When Alex pushed them together, he looked into his crystal ball and saw that. He didn't like that they were still fighting and he crushed the world with his hands.

That would make sense, since it wasn't labeled as an Earth, so yeah, it was probably a "reject" from an attempt by Alex.

[stillanerd]

1. Have the histories of the Big Three (Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman) gone back to what they were during the Silver Age? From what I can gather from the shards merging into the New Earth:
*Birthright seems to be official part of continuity, as is Superboy in Smallville, as are the Silver Age versions General Zod and the Phantom Zone/Kryptonian criminals.
*Joe Chill may once again be the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents, meaning Year Two is back in continuity.
*Wonder Woman looks to be one of the founding members of the Justice League again.

2. Considering how Alex reached into Earth Prime, a.k.a. our Earth, how come we're still alive? :D

[Yoda]

Maybe they are going toward closer ties to the Batman Begins origin, with Joe Chill being the killer who was ultimately caught.

[stillanerd]

Maybe they are going toward closer ties to the Batman Begins origin, with Joe Chill being the killer who was ultimately caught.

Makes sense, considering how the newspaper article in that shard shows Joe Chill's picture.

[ShaggyB]

That's a plot-hole though. Donna did say that Superman and WW would have been killed, yet the book clearly shows that when Earths are merged, the people survive. Maybe they would have died because they were not native to Earth-2. E2 Superman might have been the one merging with Alex Luthor's dad.

Oh...there are so many things happening that it can make your head hurt!

Ok Alex was combine'n earths, if he didnt like the combo he destroyed it. basically destroying the two original and the one that had formed.

Basically this would kill Superman and WW because he would destroy the merged self upon seeing that it failed.

[Tequilamokinbrd]

I don't really feel that Nightwing do as much as he was hyped out to have done in this issue :(



Perhaps not, but I'm not gonna lie, I jumped out of my chair when I saw him kick Alexander Luthor right in the face.



"Oh you wanna mix earths and play God? Well I'm Nightwing, I used to be Robin, and I'm kickin' you in the friggin' face! PWNED!"




I scanned that pic, blew it up, and it's my wallpaper

[Justin D.]

One great moment that no one's mentioned yet is when Alexander Luthor is looking for Earth-Prime and then turns and breaks the fourth wall momentarily. It was well-constructed, without being too jarring (i.e. ruining it with a splash page or something).

I didn't even notice that. I thought there was something off about that page and maybe I was missing it. Good catch, man. Subtle usage there, and well done. Just didn't see this book breaking the fourth wall like that.

As for the Incan-looking Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman families, I assumed they all came from this story when I first saw them:
http://kierondwyer.com/LCD/EWF/EWF2.jpg

[Rockman]

I didn't even notice that. I thought there was something off about that page and maybe I was missing it. Good catch, man. Subtle usage there, and well done. Just didn't see this book breaking the fourth wall like that.

As for the Incan-looking Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman families, I assumed they all came from this story when I first saw them:
http://kierondwyer.com/LCD/EWF/EWF2.jpg

It could either be a merge earth or a alternative earth, interesting there was no number giving to this earth. Compare to all the other earths that was shown throughout the issue.

Incan Earth
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4276/differentearths26na.th.jpg (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=differentearths26na.jpg)

All the other earths in the issue that was catogrize.
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/5382/differentearths18gw.th.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=differentearths18gw.jpg)

[Will.S]

There's no way the current DCU, besides Kal-L, that can tango with his Pre-Crisis Superman powers.
I dunno about that.

Kal-El fared pretty well against Kal-L in their fight in #5 so they definitely still have a chance if they fight as a team. BTW while IC #6 was REALLY dense I really enjoyed the issue. It's one of those "boiling point" issues where a ton of stuff happens leaving just a bit more to go. I was shocked to see Psycho Pirate receive that type of death but I guess I shouldn't really given that Geoff is good with the gory scenes.

Loved Kon-El's fight with Superboy Prime and his sacrifice so overall it was sad to see him go although the developments over in Teen Titans OYL looks to bode well for the character if it does go that way. Interesting to see the junior proteges of the big 3 assembled as well. Blue Beetle is an odd character, he's very jittery and nervous which is to be expected since it's his debut so I'm interested in his relationship to the GL's and the future BB solo issues.

The other hero character moments were entertaining such as Batman going all leader on the "Operation Destroy Brother Eye" team and the talks between Superman and Superman of Earth-2. It's just too bad that the cover wasn't done in the usual glossy cardstock format, I mean when the mini is this far at least follow through with it. Also while the art was done as consistently as possible with multiple artists I was hoping IC would be all Phil Jimenez's to draw similar to how Perez did Crisis on Infinite Earths so it's too bad they didn't maintain a rock solid team throughout.

Overall very satisfying and I can't wait for the big brawl between the heroes and Superboy Prime.

[ultramandingo]

who knew black adam was a stooges fan? stupid psycho pirate had no de-fence for the clasic moe eye ball poke . just get you hand between his fingers - curly style- you numb sckull! nyuk.

[Buried Alien]

who knew black adam was a stooges fan? stupid psycho pirate had no de-fence for the clasic moe eye ball poke . just get you hand between his fingers - curly style- you numb sckull! nyuk.

Psycho Pirate forgot he wasn't dealing with Barry Allen this time (and even good-natured Barry beat the living crap out of him back in COIE).

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[JuanJohnboy]

hey guys im a little bit noobish in this infinite crisis stuff :) , its probably late to ask this but, why does the infinite crisis: secret files issue says the superboy prime is a more dangerous threat than the antimonitor ever was? i mean wasnt antimonitor like the most powerful being ever? absorbing all the universes and focusing their energies unto him or something like that o_O?

[ultramandingo]

Ha! I didn't realize that was what that was until you mentioned it. But yes, that was exactly what it was.

ya, luthor was a big animal man/grant morrison/promethea /allan moore fan , it must be a , as the french say ," homage" ( or " rip off , "i get those two mixed up)

[UniqueFrequency]

Alex upgraded Brother Eye so that it could do the math required to find all the Earths. We don't know if he was manipulating Max Lord or not. Seems like no.

The events of the Omac project are a direct result of Alex modifying Brother Eye and stealing him from Batman. Lord either was able to exploit the satellite or Alex allowed him to use it.

Also, the Omacs provided Alex a private army.

hmm. alright. so it was a coincidence that the OMACs were activated to go after heroes..

[rfahey]

hey guys im a little bit noobish in this infinite crisis stuff :) , its probably late to ask this but, why does the infinite crisis: secret files issue says the superboy prime is a more dangerous threat than the antimonitor ever was? i mean wasnt antimonitor like the most powerful being ever? absorbing all the universes and focusing their energies unto him or something like that o_O?

Probably just a little hyperbole to sell more comics. SBP did alter reality and did kill some heroes, but he's caused nowhere near the Anti-Monitor's level of damage.

[lucifernomi]

Since I dont think anyone has mentioned it yet, one of my favorite things about this issue was the brief conversation between Mr. Terrific and Black Lightning. It was just a cool little sociological nod to black herodom.

[Justin D.]

Since I dont think anyone has mentioned it yet, one of my favorite things about this issue was the brief conversation between Mr. Terrific and Black Lightning. It was just a cool little sociological nod to black herodom.

I was just discussing this with someone else.

"Plus, he mocked Black Lightning in IC #6 for having black in his name, and then BL mocked him for having his name on his jacket. BL said he had black in his name because he was one of the few black heroes in the public eye at the time and he wanted people to know it. Mr. Teriffic said something similar. Something like he wears his name on his sleeves to let people know who they're dealing with."

I think Black Lightning's comments were more about black heroes where Mr. Teriffic just likes people to know who they're up against.

I also liked Hal talking to Ollie about going to see a baseball game when the next season starts up becauce Guy Gardner has tickets. This is the kind of thing IC was missing. This is the kind of stuff that could have won a lot more people over to IC.

[Apathy Boy]

3. Can someone explain how Brother Eye and the OMACs really fit into everything? How was it working for Max and Alex?Brother Eye chronology:

1. Batman gets mindwiped by the Satellite League.
2. Batman's latent distrust of superheroes prompts him to create the Brother Eye surveillance satellite "just in case."
3. Sometime during or after JLI, Max Lord learns about Brother Eye, activates it and subverts its programming with the aid of Checkmate. New mission: monitor and eventually destroy all metahumans. Checkmate also creates OMACs to assist Brother Eye.
4. During COUNTDOWN, Alexander Luthor steals control of Brother Eye. (Remember how Beetle was initially able to escape from Max? Max's concentration was disrupted when he discovered someone hacking into his system - and it wasn't Beetle. See INFINITE CRISIS SECRET FILES for more information.)
5. Alexander Luthor adds an additional program to Brother Eye: coordinate the re-creation of the multiverse. However, Max Lord's programming remains active because the two programs are compatible. Luthor wants the metahuman community to be distracted from his plan, and his "perfect world" is presumably one with far fewer metahumans.

[Buried Alien]

You know, I think that there's more to Superboy Prime's wearing the Anti-Monitor style armor harness than he's letting on. First of all, since when was Superboy Prime a tech expert who could design and build such a thing? Superboy Prime is no Luthor or Brainiac. Second, of all things to base a design of armor on, why the *Anti-Monitor*...perhaps the greatest evil ever to threaten the DCU? I still suspect that Superboy Prime's current appearance and demeanor are related to the Anti-Monitor in some manner beyond what he claimed in INFINITE CRISIS # 6.

I have a suspicion that maybe, just maybe, the Anti-Monitor himself created Superboy Prime long ago as his insurance policy should he fall during the original Crisis. Aside from Ultraa, there had been no other superheroes on Earth Prime until Superboy appeared. That was Earth Prime's defining characteristic: no superheroes. Then, just before the Anti-Monitor attacked, Superboy Prime shows up. Isn't it suspicious?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Mulett]

I'm buying this today - but couldn't keep away from these spoilers! I'll still enjoy it though.

One suggestion: from my point of view, there are two reasons why Superboy would have been killed off. Doing it just for dramatic effect wouldn't really be enough motive.

First of all, because the writers felt he had run his course and there wasn't anywhere to take him.

Secondly, to clear the way for the return of Superboy: Superman when he was a boy. There were quite a few images of the classic Superboy and Smallville. Could this be one of the side effects of Infinite Crisis?

So, could this be what happens? It would certainly sort out those 'Legion of Superheroes' continuity problems which was one of the main reasons they did IC.

[UniqueFrequency]

You know, I think that there's more to Superboy Prime's wearing the Anti-Monitor style armor harness than he's letting on. First of all, since when was Superboy Prime a tech expert who could design and build such a thing? Superboy Prime is no Luthor or Brainiac. Second, of all things to base a design of armor on, why the *Anti-Monitor*...perhaps the greatest evil ever to threaten the DCU? I still suspect that Superboy Prime's current appearance and demeanor are related to the Anti-Monitor in some manner beyond what he claimed in INFINITE CRISIS # 6.

I have a suspicion that maybe, just maybe, the Anti-Monitor himself created Superboy Prime long ago as his insurance policy should he fall during the original Crisis. Aside from Ultraa, there had been no other superheroes on Earth Prime until Superboy appeared. That was Earth Prime's defining characteristic: no superheroes. Then, just before the Anti-Monitor attacked, Superboy Prime shows up. Isn't it suspicious?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

that would be interesting. my personal thoughts is that it could be due to the fact that the Anti-Monitor was perhaps the most powerful being SBP came into contact with, and thus used him as some sort of inspiration

[Paragon]

I'm buying this today - but couldn't keep away from these spoilers! I'll still enjoy it though.

One suggestion: from my point of view, there are two reasons why Superboy would have been killed off. Doing it just for dramatic effect wouldn't really be enough motive.

First of all, because the writers felt he had run his course and there wasn't anywhere to take him.

Secondly, to clear the way for the return of Superboy: Superman when he was a boy. There were quite a few images of the classic Superboy and Smallville. Could this be one of the side effects of Infinite Crisis?

So, could this be what happens? It would certainly sort out those 'Legion of Superheroes' continuity problems which was one of the main reasons they did IC.

This is an interesting point.

I think DC put quite a lot of thought into the death of Superboy.

They chose a character that is significant enough so that most people will feel that they delivered on the promise of a major character dying, without upsetting enormous amounts of fans at the same time.

It will have a galvanizing affect on the key role players in IC.
Both Supermen will now be motivated, and it will impact the mind of SBP that should lead to a powerful resolution in the final issue.

It adds to the Superman / Luthor dynamic.
Both characters had a very personal interest on him. In the way he died he chose to be Superboy in an ultimate and irreversible way, choosing superman over Luther, in effect.

It will have an impact on several other characters
The Kents, Wondergirl and the Titans should be profoundly affected.

There is a parallel to the Death of Superman and the Death of Supergirl in the last Crisis, leveraging from significant past events.

I also think that they executed it very well.

To come back to your point.

It fists perfectly with the statement that a major character will be replaced.
I am wondering how they will do this though?
Perhaps we will see some kind of repentance from SBP, then a reality alteration of some form, perhaps at the hands of SBP, that will achieve this.

[Mulett]

It fists perfectly with the statement that a major character will be replaced. I am wondering how they will do this though? Perhaps we will see some kind of repentance from SBP, then a reality alteration of some form, perhaps at the hands of SBP, that will achieve this.

Now that is an interesting idea. Leads me to think maybe Superboy Prime becomes the new Superboy. This fits in with the one-earth-but-everyone-remembers-the-multiverse angle of the new DCU.

Roll on issue 7!

[Rhydaman]

Also you can make out Cpt. Marvel on the page where hawkgirl disappears, Hawkgirl was part of the Ran/Than War crew but when was Shazam involved with the Ran/Than War crew, plus why would he have his powers since the wizard is now dead?
I suspect the anti-matter feedback from the attack on Alex Luthor bleached Alan Scott's cape and burnt his hair. Either that or the colourist made a mistake, but that seems pretty unlikely.

[stealthwise]

Now that is an interesting idea. Leads me to think maybe Superboy Prime becomes the new Superboy. This fits in with the one-earth-but-everyone-remembers-the-multiverse angle of the new DCU.

Roll on issue 7!

I'm thinking that Superboy-Prime is irredemable at this point, but we'll see what happens with him, I suppose.

One thing that I wonder is how the heroes will deal with all of this stuff post-IC. I mean, the description at the beginning of IC #6 puts it in context that these sudden dopplegangers appear out of nowhere and start tearing worlds apart. Most heroes don't remember COIE and for them, this event is happening out of the blue. I'm hoping that 52 truly deals with the entire aftermath.

[The Shadow]

who knew black adam was a stooges fan? stupid psycho pirate had no de-fence for the clasic moe eye ball poke . just get you hand between his fingers - curly style- you numb sckull! nyuk.
LOL

:D

[Barrister]

[QUOTE=Apathy Boy]Brother Eye chronology:

4. During COUNTDOWN, Alexander Luthor steals control of Brother Eye. (Remember how Beetle was initially able to escape from Max? Max's concentration was disrupted when he discovered someone hacking into his system - and it wasn't Beetle. See INFINITE CRISIS SECRET FILES for more information.)QUOTE]

Oh, snap - I forgot about that. I kind of just glossed over that panel, but it makes sense now that I think about it.

[Heraclevs]

I apologize if someone has already addressed this.

Why was Superboy Prime able to shrug off Black adam's attack so easily? I figure he's just as vulnerable to magic as any other Kryptonian. Is it the Anti-Monitor harness, perhaps?


- Romans 9

[jadegiant77]

whoa...137 posts...am i ever late!

Alls I wanna say is that I am so ready for this series to end. It held a lot of promise, but after issue three, it all went to hell. Superboy's death rang hollow for me, just like Wally's latest sojourn into the Speed Force last issue(or whenever that was).

Superboy Prime's armor sucks ass. I don't see how we're ever supposed to buy this killer kid as a hero. I want the REAL Superboy back, dammit.

[Mothmonsterman]

I apologize if someone has already addressed this.

Why was Superboy Prime able to shrug off Black adam's attack so easily? I figure he's just as vulnerable to magic as any other Kryptonian. Is it the Anti-Monitor harness, perhaps?


- Romans 9

SBP doesn't have the traditional Superman weaknesses. He shouldn't be weakened by red solar radiation, either.

[ShaggyB]

I apologize if someone has already addressed this.

Why was Superboy Prime able to shrug off Black adam's attack so easily? I figure he's just as vulnerable to magic as any other Kryptonian. Is it the Anti-Monitor harness, perhaps?


- Romans 9

Basically he has all of supermans strengths and none of the weaknesses

[Yoda]

Superboy Prime's armor sucks ass. I don't see how we're ever supposed to buy this killer kid as a hero. I want the REAL Superboy back, dammit.

You're not supposed to buy him as a hero. He's the main villan of the series.

[bannermanonemillion]

I'm convinced that Alex and Max Lord are the same person, there's no way there are two people in the DCU with that kind of ability to mind control a superman.

So, did Diana prevent IC when she killed (read:dead as a doornail, pushin' up daisies, say Hi to Uncle Ben D! E! A! D!) Max?

Nah, I think one of SPB's punches into reality shifted continuity just enough so that Max became human again, regained his mind control powers and became twisted enough to become the bad guy in the OMAC project.

C'mon, folks this is the same kind of punch that brought Jason Todd back from the dead!

Anyone else think that now Superman will relate more to Bruce now that he's found his protege dead amongst the wreakage just like Bruce found Jason way back in DITF?

I'm waiting to see the new Wrath Of God In Full Effect Spectre get his angry supernatural mitts on Superboy Prime.

And as someone else said, I think it'd be cool if at the end of IC, Alex loses his powers, thinks he's escaped only to be face to grin with the Joker.

[Lorendiac]

Basically he has all of supermans strengths and none of the weaknesses

None? Help me out here -- has anyone tried to use Kryptonite (any type of Kryptonite, from any part of the Multiverse) on Superboy-Prime yet?

[The Shadow]

Alls I wanna say is that I am so ready for this series to end. It held a lot of promise, but after issue three, it all went to hell.
I'm ready for it to end as well.. it doesn't appear that there will be any MAJOR changes... but there's still one more issue to go!

[GreenHornet]

Ok I got 1 question, when did the CSA go back to the old costumes? I HATE the old Owlman and Ultraman costumes?

[Wrye]

Ok I got 1 question, when did the CSA go back to the old costumes? I HATE the old Owlman and Ultraman costumes?

They didn't. You're looking at the original CSA from earth-3. The modern CSA is from the same reality as the JLA, just the anti-matter opposite of it.

[ShaggyB]

None? Help me out here -- has anyone tried to use Kryptonite (any type of Kryptonite, from any part of the Multiverse) on Superboy-Prime yet?

Well from what ive heard he isnt effected. now he did rip off lex's suit in IC #3 during the fight with alex but he wasnt attacked by lex as it happened so fast. so no kryptonite there. Ill check COIE be back in a few to update

EDIT #1:

Dc Comics presents #87 SBP disappears and his world is distroyed, he then re-appears in COIE to help fight the anti-monitor.

EDIT #2

He then stays with supes e2 and alex to fight the final battle with the Anit-Monitor. He is hit with a death ray (think omgea beam) but it does kill him, it is presume'd that anti was just too weak to hit him with every bit of it.

If anyone has proof that kryptonite doesnt effect him lets see it. we know red sun does nothing, (least it didnt use to) and magic does nothing...

[Arkham Resident]

Great issue.

I really liked :

- batman beating Brother Eye. the why he did it was classic of Batman's tactical brilliance over the overconfident power of Brother Eye. From picking up the heroes to form the team for this mission, to ordering them specific task to perform, i'd say he knew what he was doing going into the battle.

- i liked the dialogue between him and Ollie. Kinda corny but didnt mind at all because it was done at the right moment.

- Superboy Prime's handicap matches with everyone. Guy just kicks the asses of whoever stands in his way.

- the final page was great. Batman and Nightwing for the Bat family, Wonder Woman and Wonder girl for theirs, Kal-El and Kal-L of the Supermen lineage were all present as Conner Kent expires. Emotional moment.

- I like Psycho Pirate but Black Adam just was damn badass here.

I didnt like:

- art should have been done by one artist thruout the issue. art is important in keeping the emotional flow of the story. It disorients me to see Jimenez' art build up the story on ly to see Reis drawing on the next page and then by another dude in the next.

Questions:

- was Power Girl and company half-concious when they were strapped on the machine? 'cause they seem to know where to go or who to fight when they were freed.

- Why did the Scarab ordered thru Blue Bettle to warn everyone to get away from the green lanterns before he vanished?

- If you read DC's solicitation for IC#7, its basically a showdown between SBP vs. the Big Three and the rest of the heroes. Turns-out that the Lee cover for this issue is a Big spoiler for what will be the outcome of that showdown in IC#7. Hope im wrong.

Generally, i liked it. hope they'll give us a good last issue.

[Davmeister84]

- If you read DC's solicitation for IC#7, its basically a showdown between SBP vs. the Big Three and the rest of the heroes. Turns-out that the Lee cover for this issue is a Big spoiler for what will be the outcome of that showdown in IC#7. Hope im wrong.


Where did you see Lee's cover?

Edit: Also, can someone please tell me exactly what Donna was referencing with the "it all comes down to a few seconds" bit?

[titanfan]

- Why did the Scarab ordered thru Blue Bettle to warn everyone to get away from the green lanterns before he vanished?


Because it seems to affect their ring. See issue #1 of BB's series.

- was Power Girl and company half-concious when they were strapped on the machine? 'cause they seem to know where to go or who to fight when they were freed.

They saw the OMAC's before they were strapped. Plus, if I saw Superboy, Nightwing, and Wonder Girl fighting a bunch of random people, I'd probably join the side that the three heroes were fighting on.

[LtMarvel]

Quick: What do the two late heroes, Superboy and Blue Beetle, have in common?

The character rights are somewhat tied up legally

Does anyone think that there deaths are a coincidence?

[Lord Ichabod]

This issue was good, but does anyone else feel it went by a little fast? I didn't have time to care about superboy dying because I didn't know what was going on. it was just him staring down prime and then boom and apparently he's dead. This is a time where i actually want a 'this month in crisis' Teen Titans.

[AndyKoopa]

Great issue, my favorite so far.

[PatrickG]

Superboy's comic book rights aren't tied up.

The Siegels have an arrangement with DC. The lawsuit of late was between the Siegels and Warner Bros.

And Blue Beetle's TV rights will revert to DC eventually. They're just optioned out for an extended period, similar to how Wonder Woman's were when the Superman Animated Series was on the air. In the case of BB, I think rights will revert back to DC sometime within the decade.

But the GOAL is to keep these characters optioned out. It only creates problems when you want to do crossovers because, in the case of BB, the rights were already in an extended option when DC bought the character.

I'm relatively certain that BB and Superboy died, primarily, because people liked them and would miss them.

And... from a secondary standpoint, I think DC had plans for the Blue Beetle name that didn't involve Ted Kord and they have plans for the Superboy name that don't involve Conner.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Here are two funny facts about IC #6

1) "The Fourth Wall" - When Alex is looking for Earth-Prime, he's looking through "the fourth wall" (aka: THE READERS!). We are a part of Earth-Prime.

Cool, ain't it?

2) "154 + 462 = failure" - When Alex is combining Earths, he combines Earth 154 and Earth 462. He immdiately calls the new Earth a failure, and destroys it.

Well....... 154 + 462 = 616 (aka: Marvel Universe)


Real smooth, DC. Real smooth. ;)

[lawman]

This series had potential early one, but the closer to the end it gets, the more disappointing I find it.

First, there's just too much going on. This was also a problem with COIE, to some extent, but in this case there just seem to be too many story threads tangled together for all of them to fit in convincingly. Donna's team's role, for instance, was laughably minor (and there's no explanation for its eclectic makeup, either). And even reading practically all of the minis, crossovers, and specials, the whole thing has just been hard to follow. Things are so "busy" that the supposed dramatic moments don't have real impact.

Second, it seems to be much ado about nothing. For all the complications piled on complications, much of it amounts to little more than Hollywood-style setpieces: Big Fights and Explosions, tied together with brief expository scenes. Geoff Johns has always been pretty good as setting up intriguing stories but not so great at pulling off satisfying resolutions, and that pattern seems to be at work here as well.

Third, it's just too violent for my taste. Count me in the apparent minority that doesn't think it's "cool" seeing Psycho-Pirate's head demolished -- or Pantha's knocked off, or the Human Bomb pounded to paste -- in full graphic glory on-panel.

Fourth, the characterizations seem to miss more often than they hit. For this story to work, not only did the "Big 3" have to be maneuvered into a hostile standoff, but we have to accept Kal-L (the original super-hero) as a naive dupe. The villains of the piece (Alex and SBP) were genuine good guys when last seen in COIE, but now they're increasingly deranged from one issue to the next, with motivations that can charitably be described as sketchy and implausible. And Conner's death was clearly meant to evoke Barry's and/or Kara's from COIE, but it didn't have a fraction of the impact of those, not least because Conner's personality has been reduced to one-dimensional at best since Geoff got his hands on him in Teen Titans.

Fifth, the meta-plot hanging over it all -- i.e., revisiting (and then remixing) the multiple earths -- makes even less sense as presented than the Anti-Monitor's convoluted plot in COIE did. The bit about building a machine to tap "vibrational frequencies" of a multiverse that we've been told for 20 years "never existed" is unconvincing, the bit about "shifting the center of the universe" even more so... and why is that bit necesary to Alex's plot anyway (with his hands appearing umpty-ump light-years away, etc.), given that all the reborn earths appeared immediately adjacent to Earth itself?

Sixth, the apparent outcome doesn't inspire me. Yet another remixed "new earth" -- so we're back where we were post-Crisis, wondering which old stories apply and which don't? Judging from what was implied at the end of #6, DC seems to think re-inserting a Superboy career in Clark's past, or Diana into the early JLA, constitute meaningful changes, but to me all they do is raise the question of how those changes can possibly reconcile with the character histories we've been reading for 20 years leading up to the "present."

It's not all bad. Some of the art has been nice, and I quite enjoyed the well-played redemption of Batman in #6, from his skillful plan and effective teamwork to the importance of his choice to trust Hal. The other issues have had similar "moments" as well. But taken as a whole, Infinite Crisis is shaping up to be a major disappointment.

[trickster]

My hopes now lie with the Crisis aftermath, and maybe the seventh issue. Some interesting stuff, especially Robin trying to clone Conner.

[Chinofish]

This is an interesting point.

I think DC put quite a lot of thought into the death of Superboy.

They chose a character that is significant enough so that most people will feel that they delivered on the promise of a major character dying, without upsetting enormous amounts of fans at the same time.

It will have a galvanizing affect on the key role players in IC.
Both Supermen will now be motivated, and it will impact the mind of SBP that should lead to a powerful resolution in the final issue.

It adds to the Superman / Luthor dynamic.
Both characters had a very personal interest on him. In the way he died he chose to be Superboy in an ultimate and irreversible way, choosing superman over Luther, in effect.

It will have an impact on several other characters
The Kents, Wondergirl and the Titans should be profoundly affected.

There is a parallel to the Death of Superman and the Death of Supergirl in the last Crisis, leveraging from significant past events.

I also think that they executed it very well.

To come back to your point.

It fists perfectly with the statement that a major character will be replaced.
I am wondering how they will do this though?
Perhaps we will see some kind of repentance from SBP, then a reality alteration of some form, perhaps at the hands of SBP, that will achieve this.
SBP + Redemption = very cool, i will defintely buy 52 if that happens, but knowing DC, we'll have another Jordan/Parallax/Redemption story where SBP gives his life to save the universe at the end of 52 living up to his mantle, lol.

[LtMarvel]

Here are two funny facts about IC #6


2) "154 + 462 = failure" - When Alex is combining Earths, he combines Earth 154 and Earth 462. He immdiately calls the new Earth a failure, and destroys it.

Well....... 154 + 462 = 616 (aka: Marvel Universe)


Real smooth, DC. Real smooth. ;)

Now that was clever!!! Wish I noticed that!

[UniqueFrequency]

Here are two funny facts about IC #6

1) "The Fourth Wall" - When Alex is looking for Earth-Prime, he's looking through "the fourth wall" (aka: THE READERS!). We are a part of Earth-Prime.

Cool, ain't it?

2) "154 + 462 = failure" - When Alex is combining Earths, he combines Earth 154 and Earth 462. He immdiately calls the new Earth a failure, and destroys it.

Well....... 154 + 462 = 616 (aka: Marvel Universe)


Real smooth, DC. Real smooth. ;)

whoa great pickup there. heh.

almost like following the numbers on Lost

[Murrocko]

2) "154 + 462 = failure" - When Alex is combining Earths, he combines Earth 154 and Earth 462. He immdiately calls the new Earth a failure, and destroys it.

Well....... 154 + 462 = 616 (aka: Marvel Universe)


Real smooth, DC. Real smooth. ;)
Whoa, that's pretty cool. How'd you pick it up?

[Rollo_Tomasi]

I'm kinda mad that they didn't let Superman Earth 2 take out Alexander Luthor. The fight was built up. Why didn't it go down? Maybe they are saving it for #7?

[scratchie]

Well....... 154 + 462 = 616 (aka: Marvel Universe)That's pretty funny. I was actually looking for "616" but totally missed that.

[scratchie]

This series had potential early one, but the closer to the end it gets, the more disappointing I find it.I have to say, I agree with lawman pretty much down the line. Reading "Countdown" and the first issue of IC got me back into buying comics regularly for the first time in 25 years, but I feel like the potential of this story has been almost completely wasted.

First, there's just too much going on. Amen to that. Once IC started, the four "Countdown" miniseries were almost completely swept under the rug, and the explanation that "Oh, yeah, and Alex Luthor was manipulating everything you saw in those stories" felt like a huge cop-out.

Rann-Thanagar War and Day of Vengeance wound up having virtually nothing to do with the actual plot of Infinite Crisis, and everything to do with setting up new DC series for us to buy. Villains United was only involved peripherally, and the revelation that the "Luthor" in that story was actually Alex Luthor makes the whole series feel like "Um, what?".

Second, it seems to be much ado about nothing. For all the complications piled on complications, much of it amounts to little more than Hollywood-style setpieces: Big Fights and Explosions, tied together with brief expository scenes. Another excellent point. The first issue of Infinite Crisis made it seem like a big part of this story was going to be about "what it means to be a hero" (especially coming on the heels of "Sacrifice" and "Identity Crisis/Crisis of Conscience"), and the second issue reinforced that (with E2 Supes talking about how he wanted to make the world a better place). Now that question seems to have been swept under the rug just as thoroughly as the four countdown miniseries.

Fourth, the characterizations seem to miss more often than they hit. For this story to work, not only did the "Big 3" have to be maneuvered into a hostile standoff, but we have to accept Kal-L (the original super-hero) as a naive dupe. And this is really the final nail in the coffin. All my prior complaints would be irrelevant if the main IC storyline stood up in its own right. While it has been entertaining and occasionally exciting, the underlying characterizations and motivations are all extremely hard to accept. E2 Superman comes off as a doddering old fool, and even though I've never even read the original Crisis on Infinite Earths, I find it hard to accept that that Alex and SBP could have become so thoroughly evil.

As I say, it has been entertaining, but based on the high hopes I had for it at the start, it's hard to see how IC will be anything but disappointing (at least a little) after the final issue.

[sly_kat]

Here are two funny facts about IC #6

1) "The Fourth Wall" - When Alex is looking for Earth-Prime, he's looking through "the fourth wall" (aka: THE READERS!). We are a part of Earth-Prime.

Cool, ain't it?

2) "154 + 462 = failure" - When Alex is combining Earths, he combines Earth 154 and Earth 462. He immdiately calls the new Earth a failure, and destroys it.

Well....... 154 + 462 = 616 (aka: Marvel Universe)


Real smooth, DC. Real smooth. ;)

And if u notice closely... wah happens when he merges them... a... CIVIL WAR! hahah

[gorosaurus]

I'm a longtime lurker posting for the first time...

I liked the issue a lot, I especially liked the use of Mr. Terrific on the satellite. He's a great character and should be used outside of the JSA more.

One thing I noticed...
In the scene with the Spectre, as they're preparing to summon him, there is a panel showing two characters holding hands. Doesn't one of the hands look an awful lot like Swamp Thing? I know he's not part of the DCU anymore, and maybe it was someone else, but I thought it maybe was a way to reference him subtly. In fact, after seeing that, I decided to look closer to see if I could see any references to a certain blond Brit in a trenchcoat, but no such luck. Though it also seems that the Faust character was serving the Constantine role.

I'd say that definitely is Swamp Thing, and it would have been nice to have Constantine. Does anyone know who this current Faust is? Son of felix Faust. I would appreciate help in ID' ing some og the other magic-users.
Is that Stanley and His Monster commenting on Star Sapphire's meanness?And the Ditkoesque man?; I used to know his name.
Thanks all!

[Kara Zor El]

Hi Everybody. Very cool issue I thought. The whole thing is doing it for me. I even dream about it all. Dig the gore too. Wondering if Lex is going to show at some point and take down Alex. He has to claw some dignity back and prove he is the ultimate Luthor. Hope he does. That would be more satisfying for me than anyone else stopping Alex.

[Rhydaman]

Edit: Also, can someone please tell me exactly what Donna was referencing with the "it all comes down to a few seconds" bit?
That was the point when Alex was trying to merge the CSA's E3 with E2, which had WW and both Supermen. If Alex had managed to do this, Superman and WW would have died. Donna & her group had only a few seconds to save them, which they did by zapping off one of Alex's fingers, so he released Earths 2 & 3.

[sonofsound]

I think that SB Prime is gonna get dumped into the Phantom Zone, thus the mention of it in the "shards" in the re-forming of New Earth. If you really think about it, it's the only way that they've ever imprisoned survivors of Krypton. This could mean the release of Zod or something cool like that, though.

Also, did anybody else notice that Metamorpho was with the OMAC/Batman team, and then suddenly his face appeared in the reaction shots with the D.Troy/Deep Space team during the "petri dish" explosion? Can he split, are there two 'Morphos now and I just missed it?

[PatrickG]

There are two Metamorphos now.

One is his clone, who has been a member of the Outsiders.

[Sean Walsh]

There are two Metamorphos now.

One is his clone, who has been a member of the Outsiders.

There was some thought recently, though, that they may've fused back together (either at the end of INF CRISIS or during 52 sometime) and that the Metamorpho in OUTSIDERS OYL is actually both of them (still Rex Mason)

[SuperManny]

There was some thought recently, though, that they may've fused back together (either at the end of INF CRISIS or during 52 sometime) and that the Metamorpho in OUTSIDERS OYL is actually both of them (still Rex Mason)

The strongest evidence of that is Metamorpho's powers in the latest issue of Outsiders OYL.

He asked the team if they would like for him to change the ricin to something less lethal, as I recall.

Cool I suppose.....!

[sonofsound]

There are two Metamorphos now.

One is his clone, who has been a member of the Outsiders.

Ah. Thank you for bringing the aging loiterer up to speed. :)

[Arkham Resident]

Where did you see Lee's cover?

Edit: Also, can someone please tell me exactly what Donna was referencing with the "it all comes down to a few seconds" bit?

What i meant was that the Lee cover for Issue #6 might be a big spoiler for Issue #7.

[Shellhead]

What i meant was that the Lee cover for Issue #6 might be a big spoiler for Issue #7.

*GASP* You mean... the heroes will fight Superboy Prime again? Omg, I never saw that coming!

[protege]

Any chance we can see the earth that was modled on the ancient Mayan empire again? I liked that one.

[UniqueFrequency]

sorry i'm a little confused (and i go