Sentry should quit the Avengers [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

MajinShenron

04-01-2006, 09:09 AM

To start off I am a fan of Sentry. I don't think he is Marvel's answer to Superman, but trying to incorporate more powerful super heroes in the Marvel Universe. DC has heroes such as Superman, Wonderwoman, Supegirl, etc. All are powerful and are popular. The Marvel Universe has less powerful super heroes such as Captain America, Punisher, Spiderman, Daredevil, etc. In an effort to match DC's strength they added Sentry.

Now, what does this have to do with the Avengers? Sentry is incredibly powerful. He can defeat the strongest villians with ease. He is incredibly fast, powerful, and has strong moves. This looks like he is a good asset to the team, but not if you want to enjoy comics. The New Avengers has heroes such as Spiderman, Captain America, Wolverine, Spider-Woman, Luek Cage, etc. None of these heroes match up to the Sentry. So what does this mean? When a powerful villian comes, Sentry will defeat him/her with ease. Won't you like to see classic big battles? Avengers versus Sinister Six or something? Not Sentry beating everyone with a punch.

This has already happened before. In Breakout Carnage was freed. Carnage, one of the strongest Marvel villians. He was fighting strong heroes and I am sure a lot of people would have liked to see Carnage fight people who is not Spiderman. I think it would of been a great fight, but Sentry comes in and splits Carnage in half.

Now tell me, do you want to see this? I doubt it. I much rather see Sentry have his own series then see him on a team with weaker people. Or maybe he could be a co-associate with them, like Batman was with the Justice League. I don't want to see Sentry hog the spot like. I want to see Spiderman and Wolverine team up to defeat a villian, I want to see Captain America and Spider-Woman duke it out against Doc Ock.. Not see Sentry beat a villian everytime they are having trouble.

XPac

04-01-2006, 09:17 AM

I do think the difference in power levels is a potential problem. But so far it hasn't been a problem in that Sentry is used sporatically. If they only whip him out as a reserve "big gun" and he's not around for the smaller stuff that can work.

The way Sentry works, he's got Cloc telling him where he's most needed. It's easy enough to explain Sentry having being needed elsewhere next time the Avengers have to duke it out with Ninjas.

So if Bendis wants to continue having Sentry on the team, there are mechanisms to make it work.

DoubleShot

04-01-2006, 09:30 AM

Their mistake was making him too powerful to begin with. All that tech and his power level just makes him so powerful that when/if he becomes sane he'll outmatch everyone. I've been wondering if they won't just do a depowering on him.

I've thought for a while now that the Illuminati or at least Reed Richards was behind his amnesia due to that business with the Void. Heck, maybe his real form is actually the Void and it will be revealed that he's some sort of high powered villian. Then he can fight the entire Marvel Universe, he'll get defeated (due to an allergic reaction to spider-mans webbing), and we can move on to the next horrible storyline.... actually, I'd probably want to see this (minus the webbing), but, ugh, another multi-part crossover.

Arrjay

04-01-2006, 09:34 AM

I've thought for a while now that the Illuminati or at least Reed Richards was behind his amnesia due to that business with the Void. Heck, maybe his real form is actually the Void and it will be revealed that he's some sort of high powered villian. Then he can fight the entire Marvel Universe, he'll get defeated (due to an allergic reaction to spider-mans webbing), and we can move on to the next horrible storyline.... actually, I'd probably want to see this (minus the webbing), but, ugh, another multi-part crossover.

Clearly this is a genius idea.

Except I think the web allergy thing is hilarious so you should keep it.

Yeah.

Crimson

04-01-2006, 09:51 AM

I get lost with this Sentry argument.

Half seem to argue that he’s too powerful and should be removed as there would be no threat to the Avengers… and than the other half say he does nothing in the book and should be removed.

Gnarl

04-01-2006, 09:58 AM

DC has heroes such as Superman, Wonderwoman, Supegirl, etc. All are powerful and are popular.

Superman perhaps. I'd hardly call Supergirl popular. DCs biggest problem is their addiction to recycling concepts and characters that have bombed repeatedly, and their almost childlike faith that this time it'll work.

MajinShenron

04-01-2006, 10:49 AM

The way Sentry works, he's got Cloc telling him where he's most needed. It's easy enough to explain Sentry having being needed elsewhere next time the Avengers have to duke it out with Ninjas.

So if Bendis wants to continue having Sentry on the team, there are mechanisms to make it work.

Yeah, but Sentry still comes in. Like Carnage, one of the most popular villians, killed in seconds. Does anyone want to see that? More than once? I really doubt it.

Tony Starkz

04-01-2006, 11:22 AM

How can he quit something he hasn't really been a part of yet?Hee hee.

All kidding aside,I could see him leaving the NA after CW.He is good friends with Reed and all.

Kevinroc

04-01-2006, 11:24 AM

Yeah, but Sentry still comes in. Like Carnage, one of the most popular villians, killed in seconds. Does anyone want to see that? More than once? I really doubt it.

Carnage is not one of Marvel's most powerful villains (and I'd argue that he was not as popular as he once might have been). He's not like a Dormammu or a Thanos in terms of power. Or a Magneto or Dr. Doom in terms of power and popularity.

Will.S

04-01-2006, 11:31 AM

Carnage is not one of Marvel's most powerful villains (and I'd argue that he was not as popular as he once might have been). He's not like a Dormammu or a Thanos in terms of power. Or a Magneto or Dr. Doom in terms of power and popularity.
Yeah.

Is Carnage one dangerous mofo? Yes. Is he the most powerful, nahh....so I'm perfectly fine with Sentry ripping him a new one since he was probably the most dangerous villain left on the Raft so when things escalate too much the Avengers can always call him in.

XPac

04-01-2006, 04:05 PM

Yeah, but Sentry still comes in. Like Carnage, one of the most popular villians, killed in seconds. Does anyone want to see that? More than once? I really doubt it.

But the thing is so far he really doen'st come in. The Carnage thing is really the only thing we've seen him do in NA. So again, while I agree it's a potential problem I can't agree that it's been one so far.

Citizen V

04-01-2006, 07:01 PM

If the Sentry was depowered,and was a regular hero.I would say that would be a good move,if he isnt that powerful..alot could be done with him.I see him being a great hero.

Sentry should quit,have himself established elseware before joining the Avengers.

Marvel is known for its powerful heros.Someone like Superman isnt needed.

CyberCoyote

04-01-2006, 07:08 PM

XPac

04-01-2006, 07:59 PM

Sentry's on the Avengers? How'd he do against the Ninjas?

Seriously, the way they've built him up he's just way too powerful. Anything that could be a real threat to him would slaughter the rest of the team by passing gas. It's like putting Jerome Bettis on a midget football team.

It's been done to some degree with the Defenders though. That's a team with UBER power houses like Silver Surfer and Dr. Strange on one end of the spectrum, and street level lightweights like Hellcat and Nighthawk on the other.

It's a tough balancing act no doubt... and the usual end result is Surfer or Strange performing below their potential.

CBNERD

04-01-2006, 08:19 PM

Bring back Thor and get rid of Sentry. Problem solved. :D

Nick MB

04-01-2006, 09:34 PM

Carnage is popular, maybe, but only a real power-level threat to street-level heroes like Spider-Man. A higher-powered character like Iron Man, Thor or The Sentry could kick his arse with some speed. Even Luke Cage, I can't imagine it taking long.

Finn

04-01-2006, 09:46 PM

Bring back Thor and get rid of Sentry. Problem solved. :D

Why did you have to be the one to bring up Thor??

I was gonna say 'Why complain about Sentry being too powerful to be on The Avengers?? Wasnt Thor on The Avengers for YEARS, and he was A GOD. So I just think that they always need one super-awesome-wicked-kick-@$$ guy on The Avengers....not counting IM.'

Mariah

04-02-2006, 12:22 AM

Why did you have to be the one to bring up Thor??

I was gonna say 'Why complain about Sentry being too powerful to be on The Avengers?? Wasnt Thor on The Avengers for YEARS, and he was A GOD. So I just think that they always need one super-awesome-wicked-kick-@$$ guy on The Avengers....not counting IM.'
Exactly, and for years, people complained that Thor was just too powerful to be on the team, and now they have the craptacularly(is it a word???) New Avengers, who the only thing new is they take on villians Daredevil and Wolverine have faced alone several times before.

MajinShenron

04-02-2006, 07:09 AM

Thor was beatable though. Hulk beated him, and several others have defeated him. Heck, people think he even died.

XPac

04-02-2006, 11:30 AM

Thor was beatable though. Hulk beated him, and several others have defeated him. Heck, people think he even died.

Sentry is proven beatable, if you look at his track record so far. Really the only mission he's been on with the New Avengers is in TBolts and he (along with the rest of the team) was beaten. Considering he's really done nothing else, I can't say his win/loss record is really all that good.

StoneGold

04-02-2006, 11:46 AM

Hulk beated him,
Pervert.
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Lochdale

04-02-2006, 11:52 AM

Thor was beatable though. Hulk beated him, and several others have defeated him. Heck, people think he even died.

That's because Thor fights like an idiot when he fights the Hulk.

Finn

04-02-2006, 12:38 PM

That's because Thor fights like an idiot when he fights the Hulk.

And when he fights everybody else. :D

Kevinroc

04-02-2006, 01:14 PM

Sentry is proven beatable, if you look at his track record so far. Really the only mission he's been on with the New Avengers is in TBolts and he (along with the rest of the team) was beaten. Considering he's really done nothing else, I can't say his win/loss record is really all that good.

Correction, Sentry was "beaten" by a guy who helped destroy Eternity. Who could see the future. Who once humiliated Thor with the Odin Power.

And Sentry was still holding back and didn't go all out against Genis.

(And it's amazing that while it would have taken awhile, he could get out of the Microverse under his own power.)

Dooby Doo!

04-02-2006, 01:19 PM

I like Sentry, but Jenkins is going overboard with the vagueness of his history. Quite frankly it's getting annoying and I see myself losing interest in the Sentry only, because of the slow pace of his story and the mishandling of him over in New Avengers. Why announce a character as apart of the Avengers and not use him? Same with Ronin what's the point?

Patiently waiting for Thor.

Tony Starkz

04-02-2006, 01:36 PM

I don't see why some of you people are so hellbent on bringing back Thor and getting rid of Sentry.Both,who are great characters,can co-exist in the same MU.

Dooby Doo!

04-02-2006, 02:13 PM

I don't see why some of you people are so hellbent on bringing back Thor and getting rid of Sentry.Both,who are great characters,can co-exist in the same MU.

I like Sentry, got no problem with both being in the MU.

CBNERD

04-02-2006, 02:14 PM

I don't see why some of you people are so hellbent on bringing back Thor and getting rid of Sentry.Both,who are great characters,can co-exist in the same MU.

Sentry belongs with the Avengers as much as Wolverine and Spiderman. I know they are just trying to build up a following for the Avengers by including Wolverine and Spiderman. Why bring in Sentry other than the sole purpose of having a powerhouse on the team? If you run a 3 issue story arc on the guy have him do something!

Atleast Thor has history with the team and has always been one of their big guns. Sentry comes out of nowhere is scary powerful and has done what for the Avengers?

Kevinroc

04-02-2006, 02:22 PM

Sentry belongs with the Avengers as much as Wolverine and Spiderman. I know they are just trying to build up a following for the Avengers by including Wolverine and Spiderman. Why bring in Sentry other than the sole purpose of having a powerhouse on the team? If you run a 3 issue story arc on the guy have him do something!

Atleast Thor has history with the team and has always been one of their big guns. Sentry comes out of nowhere is scary powerful and has done what for the Avengers?

So The Sentry is an overexposed character who nets The New Avengers a plethora of new readers?

Dooby Doo!

04-02-2006, 02:28 PM

So The Sentry is an overexposed character who nets The New Avengers a plethora of new readers?

Nah that's Wolverine and Spidey.

Sentry is the Thor replacement basically, although with Bendis writing he hasn't done much for 17 consecutive issues.

Kevinroc

04-02-2006, 04:49 PM

Nah that's Wolverine and Spidey.

Sentry is the Thor replacement basically, although with Bendis writing he hasn't done much for 17 consecutive issues.

Bendis was giving Jenkins his space to develop Sentry in the current mini-series. And because Bendis' original plan for the Malibu characters interacting with The New Avengers was scuttled, Sentry has taken on a more minor role than I'm sure Bendis had originally intended. But with The Collective and New Avengers Disassembled, I'm sure we'll see The Sentry do some things in this title.

Thanos_6383

04-02-2006, 05:28 PM

I like Sentry, got no problem with both being in the MU.

I agree with that.

Tony Starkz

04-02-2006, 06:39 PM

Sentry belongs with the Avengers as much as Wolverine and Spiderman. I know they are just trying to build up a following for the Avengers by including Wolverine and Spiderman. Why bring in Sentry other than the sole purpose of having a powerhouse on the team? If you run a 3 issue story arc on the guy have him do something!

Atleast Thor has history with the team and has always been one of their big guns. Sentry comes out of nowhere is scary powerful and has done what for the Avengers?

He's going to save their asses in the Collective arc,that's what.

Citizen V

04-02-2006, 08:05 PM

Bring back Thor and get rid of Sentry. Problem solved. :D

When it comes down to it...that`s the real point.

When i look at that New Avengers cover with the Sentry on it,im reminded of a possibly good character ruined by Bendis. :mad:

Jake V

04-02-2006, 08:19 PM

When it comes down to it...that`s the real point.

When i look at that New Avengers cover with the Sentry on it,im reminded of a possibly good character ruined by Bendis. :mad:
Bendis never wrote or had anything to do with Thor.

Unless you mean he "ruined" the Sentry. And I'd really like to see you make an argument for that.

Tony Starkz

04-02-2006, 08:27 PM

The Sentry arc in NA was the best out of the 4 completed arcs so far.

lordlad

04-02-2006, 10:11 PM

Sentry is all powerful...........but he's also all dangerous...........he need some teammates to keep his sanity in check.

Meta 05

04-02-2006, 10:47 PM

darkhawk76

04-03-2006, 05:18 AM

yeah he should quit

if his so purpose ends up bailing the team out of difficult situations, then that'll get lame real soon

he's set up to be so powerful that it's debateable whether he actually needs the hinderance of team mates

if Marvel are having trouble with Thor that they actually felt the need to "kill" him off for a while, what's the betting they'll run out of things to do with Sentry

there's only so many time you can do the "I'm to use my powers" angle. Eventually when he gets over that the only sort of villians who should be able to trouble him would be cosmic entities (and Marvel has so many long running cosmic titles :p )

Tony Starkz

04-03-2006, 08:11 AM

I have yet to pick up the sentry mini, i usually avoid minis since there such a tease if i really like the characters involved in them an it doesn't become on going.I browsed thru sentry the last few times i was at the shop it seemed like it had way to much talking an not enough action unfortunatly

There's a difference between flipping through and reading it.If you were just flipping though the last or 2 issues you would have already missed alot.

unkiedev

04-03-2006, 09:09 AM

The Sentry's involvment is so small he is certainly not a problem for the team. I like how Bendis has him "dealing with issues" as a way to explain why he's not there.

Shellhead

04-03-2006, 09:17 AM

Sentry is all powerful...........but he's also all dangerous...........he need some teammates to keep his sanity in check.

Hanging out with Spider-man and Wolverine is probably not going to help his sanity much. Spider-man can probably seem annoying after a while, with all the little jokes and comments, while Wolverine is often a moody jerk.

unkiedev

04-03-2006, 09:45 AM

cut Wolvie some slack, Shellhead. It was revealed in Origins that his Mommy didn't hug him enough. :D

Shellhead

04-03-2006, 11:54 AM

cut Wolvie some slack, Shellhead. It was revealed in Origins that his Mommy didn't hug him enough. :D

Wolverine had a mother? :eek: I guess she didn't teach him any manners, either.

gorthon616

04-03-2006, 07:51 PM

Sentry should quit Avengers.
Thor and Sentry are for all practical purposes in the same power class, i.e. stronger than you. But that's not really the problem.

The insane power levels work for Thor since he is detached from humanity (on again off again) and is thus kept in "check" since they can always play some character angle to explain his uninvolvement. As a God he might have a different perspective, have different responsibilities, or simply not be so emotionally connected with the world the way we would expect a human to.

That's the Sentries problem. At the end of the day he's just a person. As such it makes less and less sense for him to deal with day to day sludge when he basically has near limitless powers. Iron Man is sorta the same way except he's always been kept in check via. his personal, financial, political problems and responsibilities.

But the Sentry has no such check. (Other than "I'm insane.") The power level isn't an issue combat-wise. A writer can always juice up or manipulate the story so that it works. Heck, Batman goes up against JLA foes all the time. But it seems werid when he deals with small-fry crap. It's not that he couldn't, it's why would he do that, when he can do so much else?

Sentry should go AWOL and go rogue. I think his character makes infinitely more sense there. Otherwise, he'll just be writer's tool for dealing with huge power threats and that has to be tweaked on occassion so he doesn't make fights stupid easy.

unkiedev

04-05-2006, 10:35 AM

The Sentry should Cut his Hair (Done) and get a real job, like working at the Burger King with his sidekick, Kid Sentry (or whatever that guys name was.)

I-M-F

04-05-2006, 12:40 PM

I'll just settle for getting rid of the character.

I'd prefer to see another full time active female character on the team, Ms Marvel, She-Hulk, Wasp (With growing & Shrinking powers).

Doesn't it seem strange that Since Bendis got his hands on the book there is only one female on the team - "Spider-Woman".

Me thinks he cannot write strong Female characters or Female characters very well.