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[En Sabah Nur...]

Countdown to infinite crisis one shot
Day Of Vengence 1-6
Rann-Thanagar War 1-6
OMAC Project 1-6
Villains United 1-6
Action comics 829
Adventures of Superman 642
WOnder Woman vol.2 219
Superman vol.2 219


Which order should I read these in? I know theres all the stickies but im freakin confused Lol Just answer me this plz.

[rfahey]

Countdown first, then the 4 miniseries (OMAC, R/T War, VU, DOV) in any order you want. I believe that the Superman and Wonder Woman comics you listed tie into OMAC (I don't remember the exact issue numbers), and should be read after OMAC 4. Also note that each of the 4 miniseries each have one last special edition that finishes each of them off. The specials for R/T and DOV have already been released, I think OMAC comes out next week, and VU comes out a few weeks later. The specials themselves occur during Infinite Crisis, while the previous issues of each miniseries took place before IC. So, you should consider reading IC as well so that you get the full stories. Capitalism is wonderful, eh? :D

[IPW]

here is how to read them

Titans/Young Justice: Graduation Day
Identity Crisis
Countdown to Infinite Crisis one shot
Day Of Vengence 1-6
Rann-Thanagar War 1-6
OMAC Project 1-3
Superman vol.2 219
Action comics 829
Adventures of Superman 642
Wonder Woman vol.2 219
OMAC 4-6
Villains United 1-6
JSA: Classifed 1-4
Return of Donna Troy 1-4
JLA #115-119: Crisis of Conscience
Infinite Crisis 1
Infinite Crisis 2
Infinite Crisis 3
IC Special: Day of Vengeance
Infinite Crisis 4
IC Special: Rann-Thanagar War
Infinite Crisis 5
Infinite Crisis Secret Files
IC Special: OMAC
Infinite Crisis 6
IC Special: Villians United
Infinite Crisis 7
52
OYL titles
DCU: Brave New World

You don't have you have to have all these title to get what is going on.

[Buried Alien]

For good measure, you could also read the CRISIS ON MULTIPLE EARTHS and CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS tpbs. Not essential to the enjoyment of INFINITE CRISIS, but helpful. Like COIE, INFINITE CRISIS touches on a significant portion of *all* of DC history.

I think quite a few issues of SUPERMAN/BATMAN are relevant too.



Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[rfahey]

I think quite a few issues of SUPERMAN/BATMAN are relevant too.[/COLOR]

Any idea which issues are relevant? I picked up the first trade the other day, and while it seemed like they got the Superman-Batman relationship right, everything else about the stories seemed a little off. I don't know that I'm interested in the series, though I would like to look at anything that touched upon IC.

[soda]

Pertinent Superman / Batman stuff:

Superman / Batman #4-6 - these are the key IC issues, this is the end of the first story arc, and in it, Lex gets kicked out of the white house, there's been speculation about the ending of this arc, but the final panel of issue six (lex crouched over, and muttering, ala psycho pirate: "and there will be a crisis.") is worth the price of admission, and is largely considered to be, along with the relevation in a previous issue of action comics, the first indicators of the coming crisis.

Superman / Batman #8 - 14 - two big crisis related things happen in these six issues:

1) Supergirl, Kara zor-el, returns.

2) harbinger dies. This one has gotta be a setup, I'm thinking there might be a dramatic return for her someplace in the next two issues of IC, it just won't feel like a crisis without harbinger.

Superman / Batman #19 - the key thing in this issue is the last panel, where Lex is in full battle suit armor, and is flashing an infinity gauntlet with all the varying flavors of kryptonite in them.

That's all I can think of, read the complete first run on Superman / Batman, the overall quality is really good.

[SuperManny]

Superman / Batman #19 - the key thing in this issue is the last panel, where Lex is in full battle suit armor, and is flashing an infinity gauntlet with all the varying flavors of kryptonite in them.


Technically, this isn't Infinite Crisis related, but Teen Titans/Supergirl related. This Lex Luthor doesn't even use that suit or the kryptonite in any of the pages of Infinite Crisis.......well, beyond the extent of Superboy-Prime ripping it off, anyway.

I would wholeheartedly recommend the Teen Titans issues #33 (right after Infinite Crisis #4) and 34, as well as the Annual #1 (both after Infinite Crisis #5) as nice tie-ins and expansions to the developing story.

The Infinite Crisis Secret Files and Origins should really be before Infinite Crisis #1, and JSA Classified #1-4 should really be before Infinite Crisis #2. Also, Adventures of Superman #648 fits nicely after Infinite Crisis #3, which I believe highlights Superman's involvement in the Bludhaven disaster.

:cool:

[soda]

Technically, this isn't Infinite Crisis related, but Teen Titans/Supergirl related. This Lex Luthor doesn't even use that suit or the kryptonite in any of the pages of Infinite Crisis.......well, beyond the extent of Superboy-Prime ripping it off, anyway.


There was a discussion about this someplace before, but the reason why I put Superman / Batman #19 as IC related is, because (and keep in mind, this is an issue for debate, meaning it hasn't been resolved, meaning what follows is my opinion, I'll also post the other side), in this last page, the photo of lex has him with the infinity gauntlet. Now, I'm not sure which Lex this is (Alexander or our lex), I think that's it's alexander, because:

In 1986, with the man of steel reboot, John Bryne got rid of every color of kryptonite but the green variety. Brynes hated the multi-color kryptonite, and declared it no longer a part of the post-crisis DCU, from then on, until Superman / Batman #19, krytonite comes in only one color: green. The lex that you see on the last page of Superman / Batman #19 has a gauntlet with all the varying flavors of kryptonite in it, meaning this Lex can't be our post-MOS Lex, who wouldn't have access to multi-colored kryptonite, a pre-MOS idea. However, Alexander Luthor has been locked away in his paradise pocket dimension all this time, any krytonite he has on him would be pre-MOS, and hence, could very well be multi-colored.

On the other hand (and this is the other school of thought), Alexander Luthor is never shown in the battle suit, presumably, he has no need for it. However, our Lex uses it all the time.

In any case, I think this last page is crisis related, if only as a question of continuity, the two obvious questions being:

-where does the entire run of Superman / Batman fit in continuity wise with the rest of crisis? (the two keys that we have are that SBP gets out of the pocket dimension at the same time that Blue Beetle is on his way to confront Max Lord in countdown, so lex is presumably still our lex at the start of countdown. The other marker is supergirl, any crisis issue with supergirl in it has to come after Superman / Batman #14, almost by definition).

-at what point in Superman / Batman does Alexander replace our Lex? (there are varying schools of thought on this, some say he doesn't "replace" our lex at all, but rather that they're both "Lex" at the same time, the world being a big place and post-president lex being underground. I say sometime in Superman / Batman #5, but I've also heard post Superman / Batman #19, and in between Superman / Batman #6 and #19)

[Paul Newell]

The original, green eyed Lex was shown to have the "kryptonite gauntlet" in Teen Titans/Outsiders: The Insiders. I presumed it was first revealed in Superman/Batman #1-6.

[ShaggyB]

here is how to read them

Titans/Young Justice: Graduation Day
Identity Crisis
Countdown to Infinite Crisis one shot
Day Of Vengence 1-6
Rann-Thanagar War 1-6
OMAC Project 1-3
Superman vol.2 219
Action comics 829
Adventures of Superman 642
Wonder Woman vol.2 219
OMAC 4-6
Villains United 1-6
JSA: Classifed 1-4
Return of Donna Troy 1-4
JLA #115-119: Crisis of Conscience
Infinite Crisis 1
Infinite Crisis 2
Infinite Crisis 3
IC Special: Day of Vengeance
Infinite Crisis 4
IC Special: Rann-Thanagar War
Infinite Crisis 5
Infinite Crisis Secret Files
IC Special: OMAC
Infinite Crisis 6
IC Special: Villians United
Infinite Crisis 7
52
OYL titles
DCU: Brave New World

You don't have you have to have all these title to get what is going on.

i recomend superman/batman #1-6 to see lex fall from president and the setup to supergirls return

superman / batman 8-13 for supergirls return

superman / batman 19 or supergirl 0 (same issue) for calc and luthors discussion of supergirl

truthfully IC special can be read anytime you feel the need to know whats going on with alex and superboy prime.

[Rhydaman]

Countdown to infinite crisis one shot
Day Of Vengence 1-6
Rann-Thanagar War 1-6
OMAC Project 1-6
Villains United 1-6
Action comics 829
Adventures of Superman 642
WOnder Woman vol.2 219
Superman vol.2 219


Which order should I read these in? I know theres all the stickies but im freakin confused Lol Just answer me this plz.
Countdown.
Villains 1-3.
Omac 1-3
Supes/Action/AoS/WW
Omac 4-5
Villains 4-6
Omac 6
R-TW 1-6
DoV 1-6

[Joe Acro]

There was a discussion about this someplace before, but the reason why I put Superman / Batman #19 as IC related is, because (and keep in mind, this is an issue for debate, meaning it hasn't been resolved, meaning what follows is my opinion, I'll also post the other side), in this last page, the photo of lex has him with the infinity gauntlet. Now, I'm not sure which Lex this is (Alexander or our lex), I think that's it's alexander, because:

In 1986, with the man of steel reboot, John Bryne got rid of every color of kryptonite but the green variety. Brynes hated the multi-color kryptonite, and declared it no longer a part of the post-crisis DCU, from then on, until Superman / Batman #19, krytonite comes in only one color: green. The lex that you see on the last page of Superman / Batman #19 has a gauntlet with all the varying flavors of kryptonite in it, meaning this Lex can't be our post-MOS Lex, who wouldn't have access to multi-colored kryptonite, a pre-MOS idea. However, Alexander Luthor has been locked away in his paradise pocket dimension all this time, any krytonite he has on him would be pre-MOS, and hence, could very well be multi-colored.

On the other hand (and this is the other school of thought), Alexander Luthor is never shown in the battle suit, presumably, he has no need for it. However, our Lex uses it all the time.

In any case, I think this last page is crisis related, if only as a question of continuity, the two obvious questions being:

-where does the entire run of Superman / Batman fit in continuity wise with the rest of crisis? (the two keys that we have are that SBP gets out of the pocket dimension at the same time that Blue Beetle is on his way to confront Max Lord in countdown, so lex is presumably still our lex at the start of countdown. The other marker is supergirl, any crisis issue with supergirl in it has to come after Superman / Batman #14, almost by definition).

-at what point in Superman / Batman does Alexander replace our Lex? (there are varying schools of thought on this, some say he doesn't "replace" our lex at all, but rather that they're both "Lex" at the same time, the world being a big place and post-president lex being underground. I say sometime in Superman / Batman #5, but I've also heard post Superman / Batman #19, and in between Superman / Batman #6 and #19)

I may not remember Lex having the Kryptonite Gauntlet in that issue, but I do see how he acquired such a thing. During one of the Red Hood stories on Batman, a large crate of Kryptonite was found, in the process of being shipped to the Black Mask. This was the missing Kryptonite Ted Kord had recovered from the meteor that Captain Atom destroyed, the very same meteor that gave us Supergirl.

[soda]

The original, green eyed Lex was shown to have the "kryptonite gauntlet" in Teen Titans/Outsiders: The Insiders. I presumed it was first revealed in Superman/Batman #1-6.

I never read that issue, when was it released? I didn't know that green-eyed Lex had the kyronite gauntlet in that book.

As for the other point, I'm fairly sure (although not 100%) that the kryptonite shipment stolen from kord industries was 100% green krytonite (at least, there didn't seem to be any variety when Ted admitted that the stuff was missing in countdown), as you know there is no multi-colored kryptonite post-MOS (Paul would know the veracity of this better than I), the kryptonite that Lex had in his gauntlet in Superman / Batman #19 was clearly multi-colored, you saw all the pre-crisis varieties and flavors of the stuff. I'm fairly sure that this krytonite could not have come from the load that kord industries lost, unless I'm missing a major plot point (may need to reread Superman / Batman).

[Joe Acro]

Actually, within the Batman issue, it is clearly shown that the kryptonite within the crate is multi-colored. I believe Jason Todd even picks up a purple piece while talking on the phone.

[ShaggyB]

Actually, within the Batman issue, it is clearly shown that the kryptonite within the crate is multi-colored. I believe Jason Todd even picks up a purple piece while talking on the phone.

that was too funny when he asked mask to pay for mask's stollen kryptonite.

[soda]

Actually, within the Batman issue, it is clearly shown that the kryptonite within the crate is multi-colored. I believe Jason Todd even picks up a purple piece while talking on the phone.

If that's the case, I'll believe you, I skipped the entire "return of Jason Todd" story (I detest Judd Winnick, and I detest the idea of bringing back Jason Todd, I vote with my dollar, and I don't buy a story I detest. I'm not like those x-fans who hate the book, but buy it anyway out of habit.), except for the annual (had to see him explain that mess, though)

[IPW]

As for the other point, I'm fairly sure (although not 100%) that the kryptonite shipment stolen from kord industries was 100% green krytonite (at least, there didn't seem to be any variety when Ted admitted that the stuff was missing in countdown), as you know there is no multi-colored kryptonite post-MOS (Paul would know the veracity of this better than I), the kryptonite that Lex had in his gauntlet in Superman / Batman #19 was clearly multi-colored, you saw all the pre-crisis varieties and flavors of the stuff. I'm fairly sure that this krytonite could not have come from the load that kord industries lost, unless I'm missing a major plot point (may need to reread Superman / Batman).

You are missing the huge chunk of Kryptonite that Captain Atom destroyed in S/B #6. As it falls to earth, you see alot of different colors. Red, Blue, Green, I evn think I saw an orange Kryptonite.

[Paul Newell]

I never read that issue, when was it released? I didn't know that green-eyed Lex had the kyronite gauntlet in that book.

As for the other point, I'm fairly sure (although not 100%) that the kryptonite shipment stolen from kord industries was 100% green krytonite (at least, there didn't seem to be any variety when Ted admitted that the stuff was missing in countdown), as you know there is no multi-colored kryptonite post-MOS (Paul would know the veracity of this better than I), the kryptonite that Lex had in his gauntlet in Superman / Batman #19 was clearly multi-colored, you saw all the pre-crisis varieties and flavors of the stuff. I'm fairly sure that this krytonite could not have come from the load that kord industries lost, unless I'm missing a major plot point (may need to reread Superman / Batman).
I have the trade....I think it was Outsiders #25. Superboy breaks the glove open, we see a piece of green kryptonite fall out, but several other colours within when Lex holds it up as it starts to affect Superboy.

[lordlad]

For good measure, you could also read the CRISIS ON MULTIPLE EARTHS and CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS tpbs. Not essential to the enjoyment of INFINITE CRISIS, but helpful. Like COIE, INFINITE CRISIS touches on a significant portion of *all* of DC history.

I think quite a few issues of SUPERMAN/BATMAN are relevant too.



Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
believe me, the more u read, the more u r confused...........so i reckon just read the more recent countdown and ignore many of the tie ins.