Do the DCU heroes know that this Crisis is connected to the old Crisis?

[Buried Alien]

After the destruction of the DC Multiverse and its rebirth as the DC Universe in CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, reality reshaped itself and many events in history played out differently than they previously had. Nevertheless, the event corresponding to the Crisis On Infinite Earths did happen in the DCU...albeit with modifications that eliminated the Multiverse aspect of it.

So far, has any DCU character made the connection between the old Crisis and the current Crisis? Somebody should have recognized the "tuning fork" that Alexander Luthor is using and the remains of the Anti-Monitor, no? If nobody has made the connection yet, will anybody make the connection later?


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[rfahey]

Aside from Powergirl and the others trapped in the tuning fork, my guess is that no one's made the connection. Other than E1 Luthor, and now Nightwing and E1 Superboy, I don't know how many other characters have actually seen the tuning fork so far. Plus, I don't think DC's ever been clear on what exactly the E1 characters remember from COIE. My guess is that their memories about COIE will be restored by the end of the series, though.

[filthysize]

I thought everybody except Psycho Pirate had no recollection whatsoever about the old Crisis? Otherwise Superman would have remembered that tiny insignificant incident involving the death of Supergirl...

Wait, does Animal Man know? I remember he met some Earth-3 people in his own title... I don't exactly remember what he found out.

[lordofhonor]

BINGO! I always thought about it. What the hell DCU caracters forget old continuity? All heroes in the Beginning of Time remembers Multiverse in CoIE#11. Something made them forgot what they knew about your respective Earths. Maybe that is the case...

[LordEd1976]

Donna Troy also remembers the previous Crisis thanks to the events of the Return of Donna Troy miniseries. I also imagine that she has explained the situation to those that are a part of her expedition to the rift so those involved (Alan Scott, Jade, Shift, Firestorm, Airwave, Supergirl, etc.) have some vague idea. Animal Man's knowledge of the Crisis from what he gathered during his time being written by Morrison depends on whether or not those adventures are considered canon. The Linear Men also knew about the Crisis as seen in Zero Hour.

Something interesting to note. In War of the Gods #4, Batman and Robin (Tim Drake) are watching new Olympus in the sky. Robin mentions he's apprehensive because he's never dealt with this kind of thing before. Batman's response is the following:

"I have. More times than I care to remember. The red skies. That feeling of oblivion peeping over the horizon. Its all TOO damn familar"

From the sound of it, it seems like Bats has a recollection of the Crisis. Then again, I'm sure evryone who was around at the time remembers something about it.

[Paul Newell]

BINGO! I always thought about it. What the hell DCU caracters forget old continuity? All heroes in the Beginning of Time remembers Multiverse in CoIE#11. Something made them forgot what they knew about your respective Earths. Maybe that is the case...
Why they all forgot was shown in All-Star Squadron #60. Check out the Crisis FAQ on the FAQ board for the answer. :)

[chicagokmc]

don't dc heroes remember barry allen? if so, what are their recollections on how he died? i thought they remembered that he died during "some crisis". i didn't think the earth 1 supergirl was remembered like this.

[filthysize]

Ah... so according to this book:

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/gallery/lifestory-dustjacket.jpg


In the current continuity, the Anti-Monitor did show up, threatening to remake *the* one universe. Barry "died" stopping him just like he did in Crisis. Of course we know he didn't die. He travelled back in time and became the lightning bolt that made him the Flash in the first place.

But wait... why was Barry Allen in Heaven meeting up with Ollie in Kevin Smith's "Quiver" then? :P

MY HEAD! I CAN'T TAKE IT!!!

[Evan Lanctot]

Why then did Batman give no indication he remembered the E2 Superman in IC #3? He acted like he didn't recognise him at all.

[Paul Newell]

The Earth-2 Superman never appeared in the Post-Crisis Crisis. The event still happend, but was changed.

[Silas Burr]

Darkseid remembers the original Crisis and the multiverse before it. Did they ever link the Supergirl arc in Superman/Batman to Infinite Crisis? I thought for sure that's where it was going. I know Darkseid himself was said to be playing no part in IC but Darkseid going after Kara Zor-El,Luthor getting a pre-Crisis battlesuit from Apokalips,and Harbinger dying seems like an awful lot of COIE nods for there to be nothing to it.

[UniqueFrequency]

Would Nightwing and Superboy know since they've seen Luthor's tower and the people on it?

[filthysize]

Darkseid remembers the original Crisis and the multiverse before it. Did they ever link the Supergirl arc in Superman/Batman to Infinite Crisis? I thought for sure that's where it was going. I know Darkseid himself was said to be playing no part in IC but Darkseid going after Kara Zor-El,Luthor getting a pre-Crisis battlesuit from Apokalips,and Harbinger dying seems like an awful lot of COIE nods for there to be nothing to it.

Loeb was linking his series to IC indeed. Remember the arc where Bats and Supes jump around from one dimension to another, E2 Supes and Alexander Luthor made an appearance.

[Buried Alien]

Everybody remembers fighting the Anti-Monitor during the first Crisis. It's been referenced numerous times Post-COIE (most notably in Flash-related stories, but elsewhere as well). Everybody remembers the Anti-Monitor and what he looked like (who could forget a face like *that*?).

Superboy (Conner) wasn't around yet when the first Crisis hit, so it's not surprising if he doesn't recognize the Anti-Monitor's shell (or the tuning fork), but Nightwing should.

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[Buried Alien]

The Earth-2 Superman never appeared in the Post-Crisis Crisis. The event still happend, but was changed.

I kind of wonder who got in the final strike on the Anti-Monitor in the Post-COIE Antimatter Crisis (AKA the Crisis On Infinite Earths) if Kal-L didn't do it.

It'd be funny to see Kal-L and whoever did the honors in the Post-COIE version of the Crisis arguing over bragging rights for striking the final blow on the Anti-Monitor. :)

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[Tom]

If Kal-El remembers the original Crisis after this is over, does that mean he'll have two sets of memories for two different Kara's?

[Citizen V]

After the destruction of the DC Multiverse and its rebirth as the DC Universe in CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, reality reshaped itself and many events in history played out differently than they previously had. Nevertheless, the event corresponding to the Crisis On Infinite Earths did happen in the DCU...albeit with modifications that eliminated the Multiverse aspect of it.

So far, has any DCU character made the connection between the old Crisis and the current Crisis? Somebody should have recognized the "tuning fork" that Alexander Luthor is using and the remains of the Anti-Monitor, no? If nobody has made the connection yet, will anybody make the connection later?


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

From what i read,no one..not even Batman knew of the Crisis until the Pre-Crisis Superman came to him with his offer.Personally i think that`s a fantastic move for no one to know,that the events are connected.

[Choppa]

In Zero Hour #0 Hal says a line about "...like when we fought the AM in the crisis..." or something. I can look up the line if anyone cares.

[spiderx3]

I think if I remember in an interview with Paul Levitz. He said that all the DC characters were supposed to remember the Crisis in a hazy sort of way. Meaning that they knew there was a Crisis but do not remember the details.

[DDM]

All the characters remember basically the Crisis On Infinite Earths #11-12. The Flash II died saving the universe--not the multiverse. Supergirl is written out of existence. Etc al...

[Young Avenger]

Beast Boy should remember that the original crisis happened. In Teen Titans #32 he remembered all the incarnations of the Doom Patrol.

[filthysize]

I dunno, I mean the details are extremely sketchy and the editorials at DC aren't perfect. It's best to just shrug it off and accept whatever fact they feed us in every individual titles than to scrutinize the continuity. It's the story that matters anyhow.

Like in Identity Crisis when they start reminiscing Pre-Crisis adventures... it's just confusing if you try to fit that into the concept of the multiverse (or lack thereof).

[Buried Alien]

I dunno, I mean the details are extremely sketchy and the editorials at DC aren't perfect. It's best to just shrug it off and accept whatever fact they feed us in every individual titles than to scrutinize the continuity.

Minor details of continuity don't really matter, but the broad strokes shouldn't be self-contradictory. If Snapper Carr didn't really talk like a beatnik in the early JLA days according to current continuity, that's fine...*great*, even. But taking Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman out of the JLA's founding lineup and sticking Black Canary in there isn't so keen.


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[filthysize]

*shrug*

Perhaps it's a nod to the Golden Age era where Superman and Batman were not in the JLA comics until years into the publication.

...or not.