Lee Vs Perez: Round 6 [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

mohammedali

03-30-2006, 01:57 PM

Round 6 of Lee Vs Perez Infinite Crisis covers - I know you've all been waiting for this one, but this time round it counts much more. For most people, this is the first time you'll see the covers in their final forms. They were literally just released, and I thought the thread needed to be made. Enjoy.

Below is a comparison of the covers from Infinite Crisis #6. Vote for which cover you prefer, and perhaps even give an explination why. Only vote 'tie' if you genuinely feel both are equal.

LEE COVER = LEFT
PEREZ COVER = RIGHT
http://www.geocities.com/ilfordboy/IC/InfiniteCrisisCv6LEE.JPG http://www.geocities.com/ilfordboy/IC/InfiniteCrisisCv6PEREZ.JPG

Mohammed Ali

soda

03-30-2006, 02:02 PM

can you fix the images? They aren't displaying in your post.

mohammedali

03-30-2006, 02:06 PM

can you fix the images? They aren't displaying in your post.
My bad. It should be sorted now.

Mohammed Ali

Murrocko

03-30-2006, 02:09 PM

Lee

Though that left eye is tad off.

20yrslater

03-30-2006, 02:46 PM

I think the idea on SBP's eye is that it's in shadow, so the glow is more pronounced, if that's what you were referring to.

Also, on the Lee cover call me crazy, but everyone was speculating that the torn "S" on the pike in the background was Connor's shirt, but it looks like Superman's cape, to me. Edit: On further review, it could be part of SBP's cape...

I vote for Perez, just b/c he New Teen Titans #1 was why I actually started collecting comics.

20yrslater

03-30-2006, 02:51 PM

My bad. It should be sorted now.

Mohammed Ali
Hmm, they're gone again.

rfahey

03-30-2006, 03:49 PM

Whoa. I'm going with Lee, but the finished Perez is about 10 times better than the unfinished one that was circulating the last few weeks. It's a pretty close call now, in my mind.

rfahey

03-30-2006, 03:55 PM

Screw it, I'm changing my mind. I like Perez's covers better in general because they really try to sell the idea of an 'infinite crisis'. Lee's individualized covers are nice, but they don't convey the scope of the story, in my opinion.

Violently Apathetic

03-30-2006, 04:07 PM

I'm sorry, but everyone with the same 'AHHHHHH!' face on Perez's cover cracks me up, even though, yes, I know, it's intentional it just makes me giggle for some reason.

AHHHH! Or would that be ARRGHH? Yeah, I'm thinking ARRGHH, there is some anger to it. Incidently, who is the poor legless putz on the Perez cover supposed to be?

Black Atom

03-30-2006, 04:07 PM

This is first time I've actually voted Lee. While I prefer Perez's thematically, the Lee one trumps it in just cool-lookingness. It looks like he pulled out all the stops for this one. He even drew the "S" right!

Super Sonic

03-30-2006, 04:11 PM

Are they trying to put Hal Jordan into the Trinity? o.O(I know it wont be the Trinity then? =P)

That would suck.

rfahey

03-30-2006, 04:17 PM

Incidently, who is the poor legless putz on the Perez cover supposed to be?

The person in the center? I think that that's Alexander Luthor. And it's definitely 'Arrgghh!'. Or maybe 'Gahhh!' or 'Bahhh!'.

Murrocko

03-30-2006, 05:13 PM

I think the idea on SBP's eye is that it's in shadow, so the glow is more pronounced, if that's what you were referring to.
Yeah, I know. It just looks a little off to me like the Terminator or something.

DDM

03-30-2006, 05:55 PM

George Perez's cover is similar to Crisis On Infinite Earths #5 with the various faces on the cover:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/19768226990.5.GIF

moon knight

03-30-2006, 06:18 PM

lee's cover is less crowded and superboy prime looks really cool.

Citizen V

03-30-2006, 06:55 PM

This is my time voting for Jim Lee also,his cover just shows the magnitude and power of Superboy PRIME.Who`s in the center of the Perez cover?His cover is nice,but Lee`s is the best.

DDM

03-30-2006, 06:59 PM

Who`s in the center of the Perez cover?His cover is nice,but Lee`s is the best.

Alexander Luthor of Earth-3

Phoney Bone

03-30-2006, 08:18 PM

The Lee cover is great for a Superboy Prime story. But Infinite Crisis is about the entire DCU, so Perez rules.

Plus... Perez cover gots Jonah Hex and The Unknown Soldier! WOO-HOO!

Babylon23

03-30-2006, 09:45 PM

Perez gets my vote here. The Lee cover is nice (probably the best he's done to date), but it's really just another shot of a character in a standard superhero/villain pose, much like his covers to 1-4. I'd like to see a little more variety in his cover work. Perez's covers are generally more active and emotive, which I like.

This was a cose one, though.

TheCurse

03-30-2006, 10:04 PM

huge perez fan here...but i voted for lee....excelent cover!!!

Apathy Boy

03-31-2006, 12:46 AM

In Perez's cover for #5, the earths were about to collide and the multiverse was shattering. In Perez's cover for #6, the earths are colliding and the multiverse is shattering.

My god, it's finally happened. Even covers are decompressed now.

(Big, big win for Lee here. Sure, it's another "pose"-style cover, but it's a damn good one. And I love the souvenirs from the other superheroes. Put 'em together and it's a very strong iconic cover, which tells a story instantly without having to resort to the obvious tactic of showing Superboy-Prime actually beating up on the other characters.

Or perhaps I'm just having trouble taking Perez's cover seriously when it looks like all the characters have just seen Ma Hunkel naked.)

Arkham Resident

03-31-2006, 02:13 AM

Looks like Jim Lee finally hit his stride on this Issue's cover. Superboy is just menacingly cool here. First time i'd pick Lee over Perez with a certain amount of indecisiveness.

mohammedali

03-31-2006, 08:10 AM

I vote for Perez, just b/c he New Teen Titans #1 was why I actually started collecting comics.
lol. That's the most obscure reason I've heard but fair enough :) The thread was supposed to be about which cover is better, but there are some who openly admit they vote Perez because they prefer his work in general. Then again, there are some really dedicated Perez fans who admit to Lee doing a better job in this case, and voted appropriately. Personally, I *really* like this Lee cover. It's one of the best IC covers so far.

Mohammed Ali

Shellhead

03-31-2006, 08:47 AM

In general, Perez is one of my favorites, and I think that Lee is over-rated. But these duelling covers have been interesting to compare.

My votes so far:

#1: Perez
#2: Lee
#3: Lee
#4: Perez
#5: Perez

#6: neither

I didn't like either one of these covers.

The Lee cover is a generic pose cover, except that his anatomy is off again. The arms are too big, the face seems off, and also the scale of the items in the foreground is messed up... Hal would need to do more steroids than Barry Bonds to lift that lantern one-handed.

EDIT: looking at the Lee cover again, I saw more clearly the problem with his face... SBP has puffy cheeks, but a jutting, bony jaw. That combination doesn't make sense, it just looks weird, and there is some heavy shading at the juncture of these two features that makes it look like a sloppy photoshop edit. Also, I noticed that SBP's calves are bigger than his head. I realizing that he's wearing huge boots, but above the boot and below the knee, I'm seeing watermelon-sized calves that look silly.

The Perez cover has a good energy to it, with the exploding fragments, but I don't like the color scheme. It's neat to see all the faces reflected in the shards, only without color, it's a little drab and uninteresting to me. I realize that, for some fans, it's fun studying Perez covers with lots of characters, I guess to identify all of them. But I'm not into those Where's Waldo kind of games.

It's possible that one or both of these covers will look better to me in full-size, as I have noticed that with previous duelling covers in this run.

Dark Soul # 7

03-31-2006, 09:14 AM

I´ve prefered the Lee covers for issues 1, 4 and now 6.
The Perez covers I liked more were for issues 2 and 5.
I didn´t like any cover for issue 3.

slayer2005

03-31-2006, 10:18 AM

They're both good. Although I must say when I saw the Perez cover, I thought all of the characters were having multiple-Earths shattering orgasms.

20yrslater

03-31-2006, 11:42 AM

lol. That's the most obscure reason I've heard but fair enough :) The thread was supposed to be about which cover is better, but there are some who openly admit they vote Perez because they prefer his work in general. Then again, there are some really dedicated Perez fans who admit to Lee doing a better job in this case, and voted appropriately. Personally, I *really* like this Lee cover. It's one of the best IC covers so far.

Mohammed Ali

Big props to JL for this cover, it's the one of his I've liked the best, but there's something about the puzzle aspect of Perez's I liked a bit moer.

Lex

03-31-2006, 12:13 PM

Is this the first poll where Lee is ahead? The first 5 polls seemed to favor Perez (and as well they should).

As is my opinion, Perez will always be superior to Lee. This cover is one of Lee's better ones, but it still doesn't hold a candle to Perez.

Lord Ichabod

03-31-2006, 01:26 PM

what is so special about perez's cover? it's a bunch of broken glass with people's faces on it? how can SBP not hold a candle to that?

wolverine0815

03-31-2006, 01:29 PM

I'm a huge Lee fan but this vote was close.

rfahey

03-31-2006, 01:34 PM

what is so special about perez's cover? it's a bunch of broken glass with people's faces on it? how can SBP not hold a candle to that?

I think one knock against the Lee cover is that it's fairly generic, even though extremely well-drawn. It could easily be a cover for an issue of JLA or any other team up book, where a bad guy is shown standing over all the defeated heroes (or in this case their equipment). The Perez cover sells the idea of an extraordinary, universal threat. I do think they're both very good, though.

mswood

04-01-2006, 08:33 AM

I am having a hard time with this one. With Lee we get a good shot of a bad Superboy, it tells how how bad he is by the lantern, the lasso, The cap, and that he can also beat up a human (sorry Bat Fans, but I hate how he is portrayed next to the upper level super beings).

Its drawn really well, nothing really sticks out and distracts me (excepts for the costume but this isn't Lee's fault).

But all it sells to me is a a big fight one that could be in any number of JLA issues.

Perez's cover for number three was the same for me a shot that while well drawn and does show something from the issue seemed to fit any number of WW issues more then Infinite Crisis.

THen we have Perez's cover with the birds eye shot of ALex seperating the Earth's (or combining them again), with the shards refelcting various heroes. Perez of course gets his details fight for Alex (with proper body shape for the angle) and he gets his characters details right in the shards.

And it features a much stronger realtionship to the big picture of the issue.

But, I don't care for the shape of the shards. They seem off.

So I think I am going for a tie Maybe when I get them in my hand my opinion will change to one or the other. But until a draw.

mswood

04-01-2006, 09:00 AM

Kon-L

04-02-2006, 01:31 AM

LEE COVER = LEFT
PEREZ COVER = RIGHT
http://www.geocities.com/ilfordboy/IC/InfiniteCrisisCv6LEE.JPG http://www.geocities.com/ilfordboy/IC/InfiniteCrisisCv6PEREZ.JPG

Mohammed Ali

I think for most people it is most likely:
LEE COVER = TOP
PEREZ COVER = BOTTOM

At least it is for me at the standard* resolution of 1024x768.

*Web stats say most people use this resolution followed by 800x600 as most popular.

mohammedali

04-04-2006, 12:23 PM

Mohammedia

You aren't being very subjective in your posts concerning other voters. So far you haven't made a single response stating that people could be voting for Lee based on his body of work. Yet you have made 3 posts concerning this issue for Perez.

We have had posts seporting Perez for weak reasons, he is always better, or because my favorite character is on that cover compared to not being on the other, or becuase he drew the first issue I bought.

But we have also had people show perference to Lee always being the better artist, we have had actually more POsts for Lee based soley on which character was on the cover compared to the other.

Yet not a single posts concerning the possability the Lee fans are just picking Lee, and not comparing the art.

In fact out of the posted responses on all threads. There are more reasons detailing why Perez is perferred then the one concerning Lee.
The posts I've made about votes have always been about people voting purely on factors other than the cover. This is why I don't have a problem with people voting because of their fav characters (as this is related to the cover itself), but do have an issue with people who vote on factors unrelated to the cover. It's only when some explicitly says their reason for voting was unrelated to the cover, that I interject. Had I noticed a similar post for Lee, I would have done the same, but I haven't observed that to be the case. I hope that clears things up for you.

Mohammed Ali

mohammedali

04-04-2006, 12:24 PM

I think for most people it is most likely:
LEE COVER = TOP
PEREZ COVER = BOTTOM

At least it is for me at the standard* resolution of 1024x768.

*Web stats say most people use this resolution followed by 800x600 as most popular.
Cool. I'll try to add that to the final round... Thanks for the input :)

Mohammed Ali

Jolly Mon

04-04-2006, 02:13 PM

My opinion, this is the best cover Lee has turned in yet. But it is still generically posed (and strangely proportioned) bad guy with stuff from defeated good guys. I have seen this same type of cover with different people/stuff several times in the past. Perez' cover is more unique and shows the larger scale of the crisis. I chose Perez.

Mainline

04-04-2006, 03:13 PM

Lee's seems more story/character driven, ironically having only a single character to Perez's multitude, whereas Perez's is about a gimmick. There's a greater sense of story, to me at least, in Lee's image which is an improvement over some of his earlier covers which just featured awkward and meaningless posing.

I like covers to be a portent of things to come, not indecipherable until I finish the book.

trickster

04-04-2006, 04:20 PM

Shellhead

04-04-2006, 05:42 PM

Jim Lee without a question. Two things bug me though: the batarang's shape and size, and the Terminator like eye. "This I liked Perez then so I still like him now" is really stupid. That's like looking at your wife who's seventy and saying "she's more beautiful than any girl of 20 I've seen in the street". Just like always a good cover is one that looks good from a distance. What do you see when looking at Perez's cover from a distance? A white glow in the middle and some red blobs. I should know, I stepped away from the monitor to do the test.

The partisan crap is happening with both Lee fans and Perez fans in these voting threads. Although I personally prefer Perez in general, I voted for Lee on the covers to Infinite Crisis #2 and #3. As for looking at the Perez cover from a distance, that is irrelevant. Walk even farther away, and both covers will look like featureless blobs of color. Both covers are meant to be viewed at arms length or closer, so that is the relevant criteria.

As for your analogy, when you are still married to the same woman at 70, chances are that you *do* think that she's the most beautiful woman in the world. If that doesn't make any sense to you now, it might someday if you live long enough.