View Full Version : Ways to give Patriot Powers
With the revelation that Patriots powers actually came from drugs, fans have been concerned that two no-powered members of the Young Avengers would be too much, especially with the minimal training that Kate and Eli have.
So here's some suggestions about how Patriot can get powers in the near future:
1) Get bitten by a radioactive Captain America
2) Get caught in the middle of the explosion of America's largest 4th of July Fireworks show.
3) Discover a magical shield that gives him the combined strength of an adult donkey, and an adult African elephant. And soemtimes a moose as well.
4) Annoy Wanda till she warps powers into him.
5) Hire some crooks to shoot his family before his eyes.
6) Throw himself in the path of natural disasters and hope one sticks.
7) Try to get a job as an intern for a madscientist and hope for an accident.
9) Prayer.
10) Hope Superboy retcon punches some powers into him.
. . . seriously, though. They're gonna get their asses killed.
static
03-26-2006, 04:33 PM
i hope he gets bitten by a radioactive us flag and can spit red white and blue color out his ass..
Atom_basher
03-26-2006, 04:46 PM
this is the best thread ive read in awhile
dingo
03-26-2006, 04:50 PM
this is the best thread ive read in awhile
Wow, only two posts too.
Anyhoo, I love the idea of him being bitten by a radioactive cap, but perhaps with his involvement in Civil War Iron-man will take him under his wing (like a replacement/rebound guy from his argument with the real Cap) and give him an exosuit that increases his strength or something.
Owens 23
03-26-2006, 05:20 PM
A blood transfusion from his Grandfather or Uncle should do the trick.
PFunk
03-26-2006, 10:00 PM
Just have the drugs he's been taking activate the dormate powers from grandad/uncle surface.
PretenderNX01
03-26-2006, 10:20 PM
OR he can be a powerless character like Batman who led the first Outsiders, or Nightwing who led the Titans and the current Outsiders. Not to mention Robin whos done some field comand in the current Titans.
I think it might be nice for Marvel to have a hero without superpowers, considering that most Marvel fans complain that Superman is too powerfull they sure don't like ones without any powers.
RonnieThunderbolts
03-27-2006, 12:03 AM
Just have the drugs he's been taking activate the dormate powers from grandad/uncle surface.
He has no way to have dormant powers. His mom was conceived BEFORE his grandfather received the serum.
A blood transfusion from his Grandfather or Uncle should do the trick.
Not Grandpa... his Serum is part of what deteriorated his mind over time. His uncle has the right stuff though, Cap-like abilities for an extended period of time. So, uncle Josiah or Cap are his best transfusion possibilities.
Crash-Man
03-27-2006, 12:06 AM
I don't think Patriot's lack of powers would have been much of an issue if he had some training.
Chocolove
03-27-2006, 01:11 AM
i hope he gets bitten by a radioactive us flag and can spit red white and blue color out his ass..
Flag totem for the win.
To be honest, the only thing Patriot needs is for the writer not to want him to die and he'll be fine. Sure, it stretches suspension of disbelief for a kid with minimal combat training to be going out and doing what superheroes do, but he's really not the first or anything.
It really depends if he's Robin to Cap's Batman (not in term of relationship but status) or a more unique property. A mystical shield would be pretty interesting, as would gaining greater training somewhere like, say, Taskmaster. Sure, he trains supervillains, but that's what would add depth to a story. In one way it would be a retread of the Hyde storyline, but the similarities and differences drawn between the two could enhance the overall story.
Though to be honest, I don't mind either way.
irish_star
03-27-2006, 01:15 AM
Skrull milk.
There's a half skrull on the team so Eli's all set.
Skrull milk.
There's a half skrull on the team so Eli's all set.
Oh dear jeebus. I just got this image in my mind for a future Young Avengers comic - the cover set up like one of those cheesy romance comics about cheating - Billy is gasping as he's just walked in on Teddy "attempting bestow super powers" to Eli.
Asian Knight
03-28-2006, 01:49 AM
Why not have the Young Avengers ally with the New Warriors? I mean Night Thrasher could teach Patriot a few things about gadgets. Then maybe Marvel could give Patriot a utility belt of sorts. Not with everything like Batman or Robin. But other things like Night Thrasher.
Or why not give the Young Avengers a mentor like Night Thrasher? He is the leader of the New Warriors after all. Maybe he could teach them a few things and help them create a gym.
darkhawk76
03-28-2006, 06:45 AM
Oh dear jeebus. I just got this image in my mind for a future Young Avengers comic - the cover set up like one of those cheesy romance comics about cheating - Billy is gasping as he's just walked in on Teddy "attempting bestow super powers" to Eli.
maybe that's the future romance Alan was talking about for Patriot :eek: :D (poor Billy)
maybe he could track down Wes Cassady (from AS-M 302) and ask him where that radioactive bunny disappeared to
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/wcassady.htm
PFunk
03-28-2006, 07:15 AM
He has no way to have dormant powers. His mom was conceived BEFORE his grandfather received the serum.
Okay (thanks for the correction). Then how about the drug he took activated a latened mutant reaction in him that gives him powers simular to that of his grandfather/uncle?
oneasian
03-31-2006, 10:55 PM
OR he can be a powerless character like Batman who led the first Outsiders, or Nightwing who led the Titans and the current Outsiders. Not to mention Robin whos done some field comand in the current Titans.
I think it might be nice for Marvel to have a hero without superpowers, considering that most Marvel fans complain that Superman is too powerfull they sure don't like ones without any powers.
when i read that quote i had to say that a part of me really agreed with what was said. i didnt think there was anything wrong with him not having any superpowers. it's made for great storylines so far.
but in the spirit of the first poster, i also really wanted to think of some other interesting ways that the Patriot could be given powers...
- billy could inadvertantly want the patriot to exhibit "powers" of things such as enchanced agility and strength similar to Captain America and a la Scarlet Witch, patriot is revealed to have his powers connected to billy
- get training with Hawkeye (when he eventually returns)... think of the possible character dynamic!
- be taken in by Tony Stark in the aftermath of the Civil war. being connected to Tony is a connection to a lot of Toys.
- get a team-up with the Falcon, or even better yet, the Blank Panther, or maybe even Luke Cage. the possibilities and results of different acquired abilities or even experience (without the use of powers) could give him an advantage in leadership and experience for leading the Young Avengers
- he could be revealed to not trulye the descendant of the original black Captain America, but a clone of the original instead, thus inheriting a similar version of the super soldier serum.
- receive a blood transfusion from the Hulk
- on a trip into space for the ensuing/ongoing kree-skrull war, he could be bombarded by cosmic rays and get some funky powers a la fantastic four
- find the experimental treatment that was done to Luke Cage and get Mr. Fantastic to copy the procedure (that guy can do anything, why not help out the Young Avengers? hahaha)
- by getting "closer"to ant-girl, he could be advertantly exposing himself to pym particles and get powers that way
- find Cable and perform time-slip training where he would teleport into the future, train himself with perhaps Cable (and Deadpool)for years and timeslip back to the moment he left (performing the same trick from bill and ted's adventures).
- be apart of an experimental super-solider program implemented by the Canadian government in an attempt to recruit for and replace Alpha Flight
(Young Avengers International - a slight knod to Avengers West Coast)
- become evil for a time as a recruited member for one of the horsemen of Apocalypse. eventually when he becomes good again, he'll have crazy powers
- in the upcoming civil war, have the Patriot side with the government and be taken in by SHIELD to be experimented on (using something akin to a 21st century super-soldier formula) to have him combat ready against those who oppose the government... (runaways perhaps?)
those could all be very interesting storylines....
Faded
03-31-2006, 11:10 PM
Terrigen Mists perhaps?
Wannabe
06-14-2006, 04:48 PM
You can do what Allan Heinberg and all the other writers did and just ignore it. It seems that after he was revealed to have MGH, they just decided to forget about it and not change the stories at all.
Huzzah!
06-14-2006, 05:43 PM
I dont see the problem with him getting his powers from drugs. I mean Sentry and Captain America both rock the junkie juice to get down
Ontir
06-14-2006, 05:47 PM
Maybe the only way for him to be saved, will be from a blood transfusion from one or the other!
He has powers again in Civil War #2
Wannabe
06-14-2006, 06:45 PM
He has powers again in Civil War #2
Yeah, I just read that.But they don't explain how he has powers at all. And Heinberg never explained them either.
It's really lazy writing.
Jake V
06-14-2006, 06:49 PM
Yeah, I just read that.But they don't explain how he has powers at all. And Heinberg never explained them either.
It's really lazy writing.
Maybe he'll explain in Young Avengers #12.
Alan2099
06-14-2006, 07:00 PM
He sent away for his powers from an add he saw in the back of a magazine.
Yeah, I just read that.But they don't explain how he has powers at all. And Heinberg never explained them either.
It's really lazy writing.
Much like Kate's codename, I would expect Patriot's powers to be explained in #12. The problem is that YA #12 has been delayed so long that Marvel's other projects have caught up. That's why we know what Kate's codename is, despite the fact that it hasn't actually happened in the comics yet.
If YA #12 had come out on time, Patriot would have had powers long before CW #2 showed him using them.
Davidai
06-15-2006, 12:22 AM
What about the invention of a new armor designed after Cpt?
twilight
06-15-2006, 12:54 AM
He receives his powers from a swarm of magical robots.
RonnieThunderbolts
06-15-2006, 05:02 AM
Yeah, I just read that.But they don't explain how he has powers at all. And Heinberg never explained them either.
It's really lazy writing.
Heinberg hasn't written him with powers since he made the reveal Wannabe, it was even a plot point in the current story arc. See, in issue 9 he'd still given up his identity because of the revelation. In the most recent issue, number 11, he is shot in the chest and is near fatally wounded, not at all invulnerable. We've yet to see what happens in issue 12, but I'm sure we'll get an explanation. In Civil War 2 they even say This guy is indestructible now? I thought our info-base was supposed to be updated... or some such, saying that it is a new development. It really isn't what you say at all Wannabe, Heinberg HASN'T ignored it ONCE and if anything, it is a case of lazy editing, not writing. If you have read this issues, you may want to look more closely, because up until now there has been no use of powers by Eli since the MGH revelation in issues 7 and 8.
Agentum
06-15-2006, 06:21 AM
If it only takes a blood transfuson from Cap. America to get his powers?
hoffmandu
06-15-2006, 06:27 AM
I really like the fact that Patriots powers come from drugs. In the comic-book world, it's very good conflict.
RonnieThunderbolts
06-15-2006, 11:09 AM
I really like the fact that Patriots powers come from drugs. In the comic-book world, it's very good conflict.
CAME from drugs. He stopped taking them.
Wannabe
06-15-2006, 12:28 PM
Heinberg hasn't written him with powers since he made the reveal Wannabe, it was even a plot point in the current story arc. See, in issue 9 he'd still given up his identity because of the revelation. In the most recent issue, number 11, he is shot in the chest and is near fatally wounded, not at all invulnerable. We've yet to see what happens in issue 12, but I'm sure we'll get an explanation. In Civil War 2 they even say This guy is indestructible now? I thought our info-base was supposed to be updated... or some such, saying that it is a new development. It really isn't what you say at all Wannabe, Heinberg HASN'T ignored it ONCE and if anything, it is a case of lazy editing, not writing. If you have read this issues, you may want to look more closely, because up until now there has been no use of powers by Eli since the MGH revelation in issues 7 and 8.
You're right. Heinberg waiting a few months to write an issue isn't lazy at all. That's perfectly normal.
Eli's abilities haven't change that much. When he did have powers, I'd definitly find it possible that a Kree could shoot him in the chest and he'd get hurt. He was never that indestructable. But a normal human would probably have a hole shot through them. If you skipped issues 7 or 8, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between old patriot or new patriot.
RonnieThunderbolts
06-15-2006, 12:56 PM
You're right. Heinberg waiting a few months to write an issue isn't lazy at all. That's perfectly normal.
Eli's abilities haven't change that much. When he did have powers, I'd definitly find it possible that a Kree could shoot him in the chest and he'd get hurt. He was never that indestructable. But a normal human would probably have a hole shot through them. If you skipped issues 7 or 8, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between old patriot or new patriot.
See, you would be right, about not telling the difference from old and new... EXCEPT for the entire half of issue 9 where the team members were trying to get him to rejoin the team, because he left, because he had no powers.
The only way I could see not knowing about Patriot's situation is to have not read issues 7, 8 and 9, and NOT READ issues 10 and 11. There is NO REASON to see him as having powers in any issues of Young Avengers since then (10 and 11). He didn't do anything super in those issues. In fact, it is mentioned on the first pages of both 10 and 11 on the recap page. So, if you skipped EVERY issue of Young Avengers since issue 6, you would assume he still had powers. Then again, if you skipped every Marvel comic since the issue before Thor died though, you'd miss it. Basically, there have been no contradictions from Allan, the fact that there has been a change has been acknowledged in Civil War #2.
As for the crack about "waiting a few months to write an issue," no, YOU are right, that doesn't happen ALL THE TIME *COUGH*BLACK CAT AND ULTIMATES*COUGH* No, that ISN'T normal these days, not at all... I'm not going to sit on an ivory tower and pretend that Allan's writing schedule is any of my business, or that I'm privy to the details of it. His bosses set the schedules, the editors let writers turn in late scripts, and that is their responsibility as well. Now you've brought up the book's lateness, which is another issue entirely. I just don't presume to categorize anyone's behavior as lazy when I'm not privy to the whole situation. The man rerwites every issue of Young Avengers four to five times, which doesn't seem like an example of lazy writing. Is Mr. Heinberg perfect? No? Are his scheduling issues frustrating to fans? Yes, but only because his work is so good.
So, explain to me how its been ignored, since they mention the fact that there has been a change in Civil War #2, and he hasn't been shown having a power in issues 10, or 11, and it was mentioned in the introduction page's text about "Whats Happening" sort of text piece on the first page of both issues. YES it hasn't been explained, because issue 12 is late. But I disagree with your assertion that there is lazy writing, or the idea that it has been ignored.
He hears the Spirit of America in his head as a chorus sings the Star Spangled Banner then in a bounty of fireworks he wakes from a dream to find...nothing. Except, the Spirit of America is standing over his bed, telling him to RISE. He rises. A burst of light comes forth & the Spirit of America is gone. The disembodied spirit tells him he is a gifted man & must stand up for America's principles.
1WEBHEAD
06-15-2006, 02:57 PM
Well maybe at the end of Issue 12, since Patriot lost alot of blood in the second Kree and Skrull War, he will get a blood transfussion from Captain America.
Zombienorthstar
06-15-2006, 02:57 PM
Why does everyone keep saying Marvel has no big league non powered people.
Hello- Hawkeye!
RonnieThunderbolts
06-15-2006, 03:16 PM
Well maybe at the end of Issue 12, since Patriot lost alot of blood in the second Kree and Skrull War, he will get a blood transfussion from Captain America.
I think you're probably right 1WEBHEAD. I feel like its likely, somewhat. There has been a lot of speculation, like maybe he gets a transfusion from Luke Cage or the Sentry as well... I for one am very interested in what is going to happen. I cannot wait until next week when I get to read the preview copy of issue 12! One week!
..how would he get a transfusion from Luke Cage? Dude's skin is unbreakable!
Captain Shady
06-15-2006, 04:05 PM
The collective bursts, he absorbs energy.
or...
He has a fling with a visiting Kree and picks up a cosmic STD that on humans strengthens the man but kills the human women because of their higher percentage of body fat. He is forced into lifelong abstinence and his short temper is now easily explained by frustration. Also, he must always maintain his percentage of lean muscle less then disease harm him too and is even crankier by sticking to a weightlifter's diet. To make it worse Stature falls for him and as much as he wants to return her love he can't. His heretofore unknown weakness for cherry pie rears it's ugly head, and later eating so much chicken and lean bird meat also makes him stalk a visiting howard the duck. He constantly struggles with two teen issues.
Zombienorthstar
06-15-2006, 04:10 PM
The collective bursts, he absorbs energy.
or...
He has a fling with a visiting Kree and picks up a cosmic STD that on humans strengthens the man but kills the human women because of their higher percentage of body fat. He is forced into lifelong abstinence and his short temper is now easily explained by frustration. Also, he must always maintain his percentage of lean muscle less then disease harm him too and is even crankier by sticking to a weightlifter's diet. To make it worse Stature falls for him and as much as he wants to return her love he can't. His heretofore unknown weakness for cherry pie rears it's ugly head, and later eating so much chicken and lean bird meat also makes him stalk a visiting howard the duck. He constantly struggles with two teen issues.
I actually really like the second idea...the cosequences of unprotected sex...etc...but maybe have it be passed by a kiss instead.
RonnieThunderbolts
06-15-2006, 04:13 PM
..how would he get a transfusion from Luke Cage? Dude's skin is unbreakable!
They used his blood to create an AVX (Acetovaxidol) patch to help ween Anti-Cap off of the chemcial that gave him and Luke their powers in Captain America and Falcon. They used a special vibranium core needle the Wakandan consulate gave Cap and Falcon.
That being said, I don't think that it makes any sense to have Luke Cage give him blood, they have no connection other than race, and the leaping Patriot did in Civil War 2 doesn't seem like anything enhanced strength, or endurance, or invulnerability can do. It doesn't seem like Luke, or Cap. More like Hulk. That'd be crazy, if Eli had gamma powers... I don't know how they'll do it. In the preview Sentry flies off with Eli when he is injured. It is to assume that he gets his powers somewhere between those first few pages of issue 12 and its end, given the apparent ability status, and the surprised nature of the SHIELD Agents in Civil War 2. Where would the Sentry take him? How will he be saved? Will it, presumably, give him his super abilities? Why does it have to be a blood transfusion? Does it? I cannot wait... it is so close to now, yet so far away.
darkhawk76
06-16-2006, 03:02 AM
That being said, I don't think that it makes any sense to have Luke Cage give him blood, they have no connection other than race, and the leaping Patriot did in Civil War 2 doesn't seem like anything enhanced strength, or endurance, or invulnerability can do.
true the leaping doesn't seem like a power associated with Luke Cage, but blood trasfusion from the same ethnic background was less likely be rejected
the leaper could just be a product of Avengers training, plus how many days/weeks/months after YA #12 was the events of CW#2 taking place
I reckon transfusion from Luke is very logic, especially now he's a dad (instinctively wanting to protect a young child)
hoffmandu
06-16-2006, 07:59 AM
He stopped taking them already? That was a quick plot-arc. Remember when I sadi that Patriot using drugs was good writing, well, I take it back, wrapping THAT up so quick is BAD writing........BAD WRITER, NOOOO *slaps writer on snout and points threateningly*
RonnieThunderbolts
06-16-2006, 01:23 PM
He stopped taking them already? That was a quick plot-arc. Remember when I sadi that Patriot using drugs was good writing, well, I take it back, wrapping THAT up so quick is BAD writing........BAD WRITER, NOOOO *slaps writer on snout and points threateningly*
In the issues where it is revealed it is resolved. I think it was done well, you should read the issues and see for yourself before you make a judgement on it.
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Satyrquaze
06-17-2006, 02:31 AM
This may not be the right place to ask... but I read Civil War #2 and apparently he's bullet-proof? what are his powers and how did he get them?
RonnieThunderbolts
06-17-2006, 02:56 AM
This may not be the right place to ask... but I read Civil War #2 and apparently he's bullet-proof? what are his powers and how did he get them?
Read the posts in this very thread. We cover it repeatedly. His powers are unknown and are speculated to be revealed in the newest issue due out the last Wednesday of this month, which is exceedingly late already.
Satyrquaze
06-17-2006, 03:46 AM
My Bad, I may have to start checking YA out on a regular basis.
btw: WTF are the Kree and Skrulls doing going to war given the events of "Annihilation"? I guess the Supreme Intelligence didn't see the Annihilation Wave coming?
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