View Full Version : Maybe an obvious question about Maxwell Lord
Buried Alien
03-23-2006, 01:04 PM
Maxwell Lord's first ever appearance was in JUSTICE LEAGUE (Giffen/McGuire/Matteis series) # 1 in 1987, right? There was no Pre-COIE incarnation of Max that we know of?
Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
bfrank
03-23-2006, 01:12 PM
not that I recall....
PatrickG
03-23-2006, 01:19 PM
BLAME EARTH-8!
No Earth-8? Ted Kord would still be Blue Beetle. ;) On Earth-5, mind you.
Now, I would have liked a glimpse at Earth-1 Booster Gold in this series.
(Jurgens' original, pre-Crisis pitch was for Booster to wear a stolen Earth-1 Lex Luthor battlesuit from the museum.)
but there is only one booster gold, the earth-1 version, right?
Booster Gold's origins aren't in the DCU past, he's like the legion, from the future (25th century), at a point when the DCU should still, theoritically, be one universe. Earth-8 is only for DCU characters that are older (and hence would have existed in the old multiverse) than crisis, right? Or did booster exist pre-crisis (I don't know, someone help me out)? If that's the case, and you time travel from a post-crisis, single universe, back to a multi-verse, which universe do you end up in, and do you get replicated infinitely many times?
but there is only one booster gold, the earth-1 version, right?
Booster Gold's origins aren't in the DCU past, he's like the legion, from the future (25th century), at a point when the DCU should still, theoritically, be one universe. Earth-8 is only for DCU characters that are older (and hence would have existed in the old multiverse) than crisis, right? Or did booster exist pre-crisis (I don't know, someone help me out)? If that's the case, and you time travel from a post-crisis, single universe, back to a multi-verse, which universe do you end up in, and do you get replicated infinitely many times?
Booster Gold is created by Dan Jurgans & first appears in Booster Gold #1. He is a post-Crisis character. Furthermore, Booster comes from a future sometime after Legion of the Super-Heroes. He steals several super hero artifacts, including a Legion flight ring, to make his costume when he comes back to the 20th Century.
PatrickG
03-23-2006, 01:53 PM
Actually, Booster is a good 500 years BEFORE the LSH but his museum had a Legion flight ring that was accidentally left behind in the 20th century.
Kevin Street
03-23-2006, 02:10 PM
...If that's the case, and you time travel from a post-crisis, single universe, back to a multi-verse, which universe do you end up in, and do you get replicated infinitely many times?
Nah, the way it works (imho) is that each new cosmology completely replaces the earlier one. The single post-Crisis universe replaced the Infinite Earths at all points in the past, present, and future. All of which is beside the point, since Booster appeared after the Crisis anyway. But there you go. ;)
As for Maxwell Lord, he seems to be entirely a post-Crisis guy. It's kind of a shame how he got retcon-punched into always being a villain, since there's no other characters out there with his particular personality type. Kind of a good natured snake oil salesman, a guy who might pick your pocket while shaking your hand, but then feel bad about it and put the wallet back.
glennsim
03-23-2006, 03:41 PM
but there is only one booster gold, the earth-1 version, right?
Booster Gold's origins aren't in the DCU past, he's like the legion, from the future (25th century), at a point when the DCU should still, theoritically, be one universe. Earth-8 is only for DCU characters that are older (and hence would have existed in the old multiverse) than crisis, right? Or did booster exist pre-crisis (I don't know, someone help me out)? If that's the case, and you time travel from a post-crisis, single universe, back to a multi-verse, which universe do you end up in, and do you get replicated infinitely many times?
Actually, all we know about Earth 8 is that four characters - Kyle Raynor, Jason Rusch, and Helena Bertinelli and whoever Breach really is, would have lived there had the Earths remained separate. From that, one can interpret that is was a world that had heroes like Green Lantern, Firestorm, Captain Atom, and the Huntress, but who were different people than they were on other Earths. Another, wider interpretation is that every hero who was introduced after 1985 was actually a character who was supposed to have been on Earth 8. Under that broad definition, Booster Gold would have been on Earth 8. But that's a large extrapolation about the nature of Earth 8.
PatrickG
03-23-2006, 04:41 PM
Geoff Johns has suggested that Damage was an Earth-8 character recently. Which pretty much opens the floodgates on characters who debuted after Crisis.
SuperManny
03-24-2006, 09:52 AM
Geoff Johns has suggested that Damage was an Earth-8 character recently. Which pretty much opens the floodgates on characters who debuted after Crisis.
Characters that mimic classic character powers, anyway.... :)
I would also put the new Blue Beetle in that category, as well as probably Connor Hawke, Bloodhound, Resurrection Man and Aztek!
Maybe even Birthright Superman...? :p
Evan Waters
03-24-2006, 11:15 AM
Nah, the way it works (imho) is that each new cosmology completely replaces the earlier one. The single post-Crisis universe replaced the Infinite Earths at all points in the past, present, and future. All of which is beside the point, since Booster appeared after the Crisis anyway. But there you go. ;)
As for Maxwell Lord, he seems to be entirely a post-Crisis guy. It's kind of a shame how he got retcon-punched into always being a villain, since there's no other characters out there with his particular personality type. Kind of a good natured snake oil salesman, a guy who might pick your pocket while shaking your hand, but then feel bad about it and put the wallet back.
Judging from SECRET FILES, the punch could actually have split him in two- maybe Cyborg-Max is still sitting around Superbuddies HQ wondering where everyone went.
It does leave an out if they want to bring him back and make him a sorta-good-guy, and I was glad to see that they explained him as part of the retcon-punching.
...Max was evil because of the same Retcon punch that brought Jason Todd back to life?
Urge. To kill. Rising.
Evan Waters
03-24-2006, 01:52 PM
...Max was evil because of the same Retcon punch that brought Jason Todd back to life?
Urge. To kill. Rising.
Not explicitly- however, the punch does explain how he was human instead of a cyborg, and so could cover the apparent change in character as well.
It's better than "he was always that way", far as I'm concerned.
PatrickG
03-24-2006, 01:57 PM
Characters that mimic classic character powers, anyway.... :)
I would also put the new Blue Beetle in that category, as well as probably Connor Hawke, Bloodhound, Resurrection Man and Aztek!
Maybe even Birthright Superman...? :p
I'd put Byrne Superman in that category and suggest Birthright Superman as a hybrid of pre-Crisis and Man of Steel.
PatrickG
03-24-2006, 02:00 PM
Characters that mimic classic character powers, anyway.... :)
I would also put the new Blue Beetle in that category, as well as probably Connor Hawke, Bloodhound, Resurrection Man and Aztek!
Maybe even Birthright Superman...? :p
My point with Damage is that despite his origin being tied to Vandal Savage and the Earth-2 Atom and despite his foster parents' relation to Dr. Polaris, he is an Earth-8 character, it seems.
Jack Knight Starman might also be.
Heck, Stargirl, Dr. Mid-Nite and Mr. Terrific might be from Earth-1, they might be from Earth-8, they might be from elsewhere! Who knows?
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