The Collective

[MrBeebs37]

I posted this in the thread for the review of Avengers #17 but it's currently be flooded by some Sentry argument and I'd actually like to hear people's thoughts about the theory. So without further ado...

My theory on the collective is that it is an accumulation of some sort of energy created by those people that existed in House of M (Gwen Stacey, Peter Parker's kids, Tony Stark's dad etc.) but no longer existed after House of M.

The idea around where the energy of the lost mutant powers went could also apply to the lost lives that briefly existed. Plus, making a villain that consists of the characters that certain Avengers remember fondly and that would probably want the House of M world back might be interesting. Think of it as a reverse House of M, where the Heroes of that story, with the same mission of returning the world to what they remember it being, are replaced by whichever characters the collective consists of.

This is veering dangerously close to fan fiction...sorry.

[Jake V]

I think you might be on to something there. If the mutant energies that disappeared can manifest in a huge energy cloud, whatever energies that made Gwen and Ben come back to life must have gone somewhere too.

The solicit to the last issue of the collective arc says something about "the ghosts of the house of m" so you might be right.

[Loestal]

I think it's pretty obvious that it is the collective lost mutant energy. It has been hinted at more than once. I think Beast has brought it up several times, being concerned as to where all that energy went because energy cannot be destroyed...only converted and changed.

[Haunt]

I think it's pretty obvious that it is the collective lost mutant energy. It has been hinted at more than once. I think Beast has brought it up several times, being concerned as to where all that energy went because energy cannot be destroyed...only converted and changed.

so why does it call itself 'Michael?'

[Keith_Martineau]

Well cause that was probably the dudes NAME before he inherited all that power.

Just a thought.


Anyway, yes, that is exactly what it is. Those who aren't that adept at reading subtext (or who didn't read HoM (or who read it but turned their brains off out of protest of Bendis but still bought the issues generating sales)) may not have noticed that in the final pages of HoM, we saw the Earth, and a large energy signature erupt in space. Set to those images was Hank Pym posing the theory that you cannot destroy energy, and that all the energy that those mutants lost had to go SOMEWHERE. So, you know, it said without saying that the energy eruption was all the lost mutant energy. We saw it awaken the villain of X-Men Deadly Genesis in it's first issue.
And NA 16 started with that very energy rushing towards earth and landing in this Michael fellow.
Who, by the way, if he's NOT somehow related to Korvac, will be a bad choice for a name, because all of us history hounds are going to WISH it had been related to Korvac. If he's not Korvac related, Bendis shoulda named him Bill. Or Steve. Or Tim.

[Will.S]

Who, by the way, if he's NOT somehow related to Korvac, will be a bad choice for a name, because all of us history hounds are going to WISH it had been related to Korvac. If he's not Korvac related, Bendis shoulda named him Bill. Or Steve. Or Tim.
Or Mr. Poopy.

[StoneGold]

It'd be more likely I think if it wasn't running right into Civil War. Your idea is too deep.

[Haunt]

Well cause that was probably the dudes NAME before he inherited all that power.

Just a thought.


Anyway, yes, that is exactly what it is. Those who aren't that adept at reading subtext (or who didn't read HoM (or who read it but turned their brains off out of protest of Bendis but still bought the issues generating sales)) may not have noticed that in the final pages of HoM, we saw the Earth, and a large energy signature erupt in space. Set to those images was Hank Pym posing the theory that you cannot destroy energy, and that all the energy that those mutants lost had to go SOMEWHERE. So, you know, it said without saying that the energy eruption was all the lost mutant energy. We saw it awaken the villain of X-Men Deadly Genesis in it's first issue.
And NA 16 started with that very energy rushing towards earth and landing in this Michael fellow.
Who, by the way, if he's NOT somehow related to Korvac, will be a bad choice for a name, because all of us history hounds are going to WISH it had been related to Korvac. If he's not Korvac related, Bendis shoulda named him Bill. Or Steve. Or Tim.

why would he name him anything? it's just a mass of energy in human form. otherwise you have a very improbable event of all of that energy rocketing towards to Earth to hit an old Avengers adversary who used to be really really powerful but not a mutant. and a this doubly doesn't make sense because the character Vulcan from Deadly-Genesis has the powers of his dead teammates but only their powers. why wouldn't Vulcan be the Collective? wouldn't that make sense given that he now wields all of the powers of his mutant teammates and is a mutant himself (unlike Korvac)?

[StoneGold]

There's only one person the Collective could be.


Yep, you guessed it, Frank Stallone.

http://www.polyfro.com/images/frankstallone.jpg

[Will.S]

There's only one person the Collective could be.


Yep, you guessed it, Frank Stallone.

http://www.polyfro.com/images/frankstallone.jpg
Ahh, always a classic.

[StoneGold]

Ahh, always a classic.
I just realized it had been a while since I've done it. Comics have been relying a little less on the whodunnit mystery.

[Keith_Martineau]

There's only one person the Collective could be.


Yep, you guessed it, Frank Stallone.

http://www.polyfro.com/images/frankstallone.jpg

Kills me EVERY SINGLE TIME!

[Keith_Martineau]

why would he name him anything? it's just a mass of energy in human form. otherwise you have a very improbable event of all of that energy rocketing towards to Earth to hit an old Avengers adversary who used to be really really powerful but not a mutant. and a this doubly doesn't make sense because the character Vulcan from Deadly-Genesis has the powers of his dead teammates but only their powers. why wouldn't Vulcan be the Collective? wouldn't that make sense given that he now wields all of the powers of his mutant teammates and is a mutant himself (unlike Korvac)?

Well no, he's not just a mass of energy in human form. He's a human who has been possessed by all this energy. He had a name and life beforehand.

And if what I understand of Korvac anyway---he's dead. So it wouldn't be him specifically, but he could be Korvac RELATED. Anyway.

Vulcan was dead, and passing within proximety of that energy, which caused a reaction that resurrected him. If you also look at that, the astronauts in the space ship that passed through the energy were horribly mutated to the point of death. They couldn't handle it.

So I think the point thats going to be made here, is that there is something special about this human that made him a suitable host for all this energy. And at least in my view---being somehow related to Korvac, who took on so much energy as to be godlike---well, that'd make you a suitable host for all that energy.

[MrBeebs37]

I'm pretty sure that the Korvac thing was a Joke on Bendis' part. At least that's how I read it. I picture him somewhere chuckling about the fact that we're all taking it as some sort of clue.

[Keith_Martineau]

Probably.

I'm just saying, that'll be lame.

[Shellhead]

I'm pretty sure that the Korvac thing was a Joke on Bendis' part. At least that's how I read it. I picture him somewhere chuckling about the fact that we're all taking it as some sort of clue.

You are probably correct. Bendis seems to delight in making classic Avengers fans suffer.

[Haunt]

Well no, he's not just a mass of energy in human form. He's a human who has been possessed by all this energy. He had a name and life beforehand.

And if what I understand of Korvac anyway---he's dead. So it wouldn't be him specifically, but he could be Korvac RELATED. Anyway.

Vulcan was dead, and passing within proximety of that energy, which caused a reaction that resurrected him. If you also look at that, the astronauts in the space ship that passed through the energy were horribly mutated to the point of death. They couldn't handle it.

So I think the point thats going to be made here, is that there is something special about this human that made him a suitable host for all this energy. And at least in my view---being somehow related to Korvac, who took on so much energy as to be godlike---well, that'd make you a suitable host for all that energy.

sooo...he's both related to Korvac and has the exact same name. yeeeeahhhh, right. why not just mutter out K-Koorrr....v..vac?

[StoneGold]

I'm pretty sure that the Korvac thing was a Joke on Bendis' part. At least that's how I read it. I picture him somewhere chuckling about the fact that we're all taking it as some sort of clue.
It wasn't much of a clue. I mean, Bendis brought up Korvac in the book. If anything, you can pretty much guarantee it's not Korvac, just because they said it might be in the book.

[Capt USA]

It wasn't much of a clue. I mean, Bendis brought up Korvac in the book. If anything, you can pretty much guarantee it's not Korvac, just because they said it might be in the book.

that's kinda the way I look at it. I'm wondering if this person is someone we met before, or just a random guy that inherited the power.