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TCJohnson

03-21-2006, 09:39 PM

Honestly, so far I have been using this as a jumping off point.

DC Comics I am now reading are:

Hex
Birds of Prey - Best OYL issue so far and I am not just saying that because you wrote it...you know me better than that.

And these two I am giving a couple of issues:
Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis. I was ok with them having a new Aquaman until I saw what Busiek did with the old one. I mena, c'mon, can't we have one hero retire peacefully? Can't we have a happy ending. I don't know why DC is pushing the message that people that do the right thing are punished in the end.

Legion of Superheroes: I have loved what Waid is doing so far, but I really dislike the new version of Supergirl. Waid has said she is not going to overshadow the other members but...look at the covers! Every single one Supergirl shows supergirl ahead of all the other characters. And it is now Supergirl and the Legion of Superheroes. Sigh.

I looked through Outsiders and Nightwing and really don't like what they are doing with the character. I mean, he is now killing soldiers and allowing one of his operatives to sleep with a murding despot to maintain her cover....no thanks.

Sorry to be so negative. Wish I could be happier about this stuff.

Briareos

03-21-2006, 09:55 PM

So far so good. I love BOP and Aquaman and I'm looking forward to Supergirl and the Legion. The batman superman books are pretty interesting (thought they both just got started with part 1 of 8 parts). Outsiders is ok so far. Nothing horrible at least.

hshaukat

03-21-2006, 10:05 PM

I have to disagree with heystacy. I definitely got the feeling that 1 year had passed in all the books I read. but maybe that's just me.

The only OYL issues I've read are Nightwing, BoP, Superman, Detective, Green Arrow, and Aquaman (didn't skip many, but some). As far as best of the lot, I'd have to say Superman (sorry Gail!). It had the most surprises for me, and handled the missing time the best. The signal watch was genius!

Nightwing and BoP are tied for 2nd best. Both posed many interesting problems, and I like the direction both are going in. At the end of each, I was intrigued, entertainent, and curious. What is Canary doing?!?!? I'll definitely keep reading these 2. Only problem with Nightwing is that I new it was JT the whole time. It is him isn't it? And last note on BoP: I was glad to see the Crime Doctor hurt after what he did in Villians United. Does that make me a bad person?

Green Arrow was really good, but why wasn't Ollie in it until the last panel? Love that Slade is now after him.

Detective was a little bland for my tastes. Don't get me wrong... it was a good start to what I can only imagine will be 7 more issues of twists and turns, but I found it overall to be... slow. Although, to give the writer credit, there was a lot to cram into that one book. I'll still read on though.

I didn't get Aquaman SoA at all. Dunno what happened in there. It was entertaining, sure, and there should be mystery to a OYL issue, but seriously... huh?

Overall, to answer your original question Gail... I like it a lot. Must be very exciting for a writer to jump OYL in a story, eh?

timmfan

03-21-2006, 10:07 PM

I really, really enjoyed Aquaman. The art was just gorgeous. The writing was good, too--but the art harkened back to Flash Gordon goodness.

BoP--the writing was excellent as always, and the art's getting better. There were still a couple of "off-model" shots of Shiva that made me cringe a little, though. And Croc...please don't let anyone draw him that way again. But the worst part of BoP is going to be waiting for the next issue.

Oracle_0128

03-21-2006, 10:08 PM

BOP was good. I'm interested to see where this Shiva/Dinah thing is going. I was a bit saddened that no mention of the engagement was done...but I have trust and faith that Gail will address this when the time is right.

Outsiders was good as well. This is a team that I could really get into reading! Some definite dynamics going on there. Thunder stole the issue. And it was nice seeing the "REAL Dick Grayson" with a bit of humor again. Alley-Oop anyone?

Nightwing - UGH! ATROCIOUS! This was the absolute worst thing I have read in ages! We wait for 3 years for Nightwing to get rid of some angst, and patch things up. And we start off with a Murder, a Meta one night stand, and more angst. Bruce Jones doesn't get this character. PERIOD.

Still waiting to read Superman....but all the positive reviews on Aquaman, definitely make me want to pick it up.

Periscope

03-21-2006, 10:09 PM

So far I've only read Detective Comics, Aquaman, and BoP.

I loved Detective Comics and can't wait to see where it goes from here, I thought it nailed everything it aimed to. Pre-OYL I really liked having Batman at odds with the GCPD (he is a vigilante after all), but I can live with him and Gordon being buddies instead :p

Aquaman: SoA was the first Aquaman issue I've ever read and I thought it was fantastic. Really looking forward to see where this is going.

BoP was...alright *hides* I don't know, I just can't seem to get into this title, but I'll pick up the next one to see what's happening.

JSA was average I suppose. Nothing great, but nothing terrible either. I'll pick up the next issue and decide if I want to keep reading from there.

This week I plan to check out Catwoman, Hawkgirl, Supergirl and the LoSH, Manhunter, JSA Classified, and Robin...unless I read that they're terrible before I get to the comic store (as was the case with Outsiders and Nightwing). I'll get Manhunter regardless of reviews though ;)

Cayman

03-21-2006, 10:17 PM

Disappointed so far. Detective has been the best of the lot.

Cay

Cam63

03-21-2006, 10:20 PM

Ask me in a year.

Damn, I wanted to say that first !

I've read BoP and Superman and enjoyed them both.

Kurt Busiek

03-21-2006, 10:23 PM

I was ok with them having a new Aquaman until I saw what Busiek did with the old one. I mena, c'mon, can't we have one hero retire peacefully? Can't we have a happy ending.

Why on Earth would you think this is an ending?

I don't know why DC is pushing the message that people that do the right thing are punished in the end.

I don't think DC is, but then, I didn't think this was the end.

kdb

Sabrinaset

03-21-2006, 10:27 PM

I still don't even see a reason WHY the comics were moved ahead one year. Frankly, the idea has left me totally cold. So far as I understand it, Anti-Monitor-Superboy-Prime-Reton-Puncher comes running out at us...and then, it's one year later. What's the point...?

The First Secret Wars Continuity Jump by Shooter made more sense to me than this.

Cam63

03-21-2006, 10:29 PM

They should use that nice scrolly " The End " you see in old movies so we'd know for sure.

...and add a " ? " if you wanted to keep folks guessin'.

TCJohnson

03-21-2006, 10:34 PM

Why on Earth would you think this is an ending?

First off, if this sounds antagonistic I apologize. I am not trying to be.

but Aquaman is horribly mutated and deformed. He is also apparently insane and has lost the ability to tell past from future. Once you get to this point, how can any ending be a happy one?

I am completely cool with you coming up with a new aquaman. But...I mean Ronnie Raymond had to die for the new Firestorm. Ted Kord had to die for a new Blue Beetle. Jade had to die for Rayner to become Ion. And now it looks like we have a new Aquaman because the old one is mutated and insane...it doesn't look good.

jerrymcl89

03-21-2006, 11:02 PM

I greatly enjoyed the first issues for Batman and Superman. Also liked Aquaman, who doesn't generally interest me.

Green Arrow was pretty good, which is progress since I haven't liked anything Winick has done with him in at least a year.

Outsiders I thought was an intriguing new status quo, though I didn't love the issue itself. More or less the same with Firestorm.

BoP wasn't bad, although I've liked a lot of other issues of it better. It was one of the books that didn't really change that much. If there had been no OYL, this same issue could still have been the next one. Not that that's a problem.

I really didn't like Nightwing, and don't think I'll be buying that again anytime soon.

Kurt Busiek

03-21-2006, 11:09 PM

but Aquaman is horribly mutated and deformed. He is also apparently insane and has lost the ability to tell past from future. Once you get to this point, how can any ending be a happy one?

Plenty of endings can -- as long as you don't assume that any change is permanent.

As I've said many times now, Orin's got things to deal with, but his story's far from over. Ronnie and Ted may be dead, but Arthur's still alive, and even after whatever it is that's happened, still fighting the good fight.

I'm not sure why any Orin fan would even want his story to be over yet...

kdb

kingdom2000

03-21-2006, 11:32 PM

Still just not excited by the DCU. I used to mostly collect DC with some Marvel, now its the exact opposite. Like with week getting 7 marvel books and 0 DC. Of course part of this is its too expensive to "experiment" with new books as don't have the money. To try the OYL books would require me to drop other books to make room for it and nothing I have read or heard makes it worth it. I am waiting on the trades so can flip through em at the bookstore and decide then.

Gail Simone

03-22-2006, 12:19 AM

Kurt, if you bring in a porpoise named Sporpy I will love you forever.

Gail

The Xenos

03-22-2006, 12:32 AM

Detective Comics - Even my roomate, who asked to check it out, thought it was bland and lame.

Birds of Prey - Pretty good. Now I just want more!

Nightwing - Ugh. Bring back, Devin, please! I sure the hell hope neither of them are really Dick.

Superman - Read my friend's copy. Certainly looks interesting.

Green Arrow - Ok, you know if you put that Green Arrow is the mayor on the cover, it's not a great idea to build it up as a big surprise on the last page. Also, wow, Judd Winick's liberal head-up-his-ass bullcrap shows up again. Did he have to turn Star City into New Orleans (with fire)? While I do admit the concept is interesting and the Katerina disaster and the complete failure of our government needs to be explored, something didn't sit right with it here. It wasn't that bad until he has have someone say "I blame the federal government for not lifting a finger to help this city." Ugh. Typical liberal tripe. What about blaming the mayor and city government and the state? Federal ain't the only one to blame. Not that I don't blame them and the mockery Bush has made of FEMA and the whole scene, but just to point that out is typical liberal crap that I am sick of Winnick spewing. Hell, I know Ollie's very liberal and I love it, but Winick's agendas just permeiate his work too much, not just using Ollie's voice. Maybe they will get more into how the previous mayor fialed. We shall see. Like his Jason fiasco, I do find it interesting, but to toss it on a particular character, it seems odd. Well, at least McDaniel is doing the art. Only reason I started back on this book.

Cam63

03-22-2006, 02:09 AM

Kurt, if you bring in a porpoise named Sporpy I will love you forever.

Gail

To serve what porpoise ?

Lunar Daydreamer

03-22-2006, 03:36 AM

I really enjoyed Aquaman for the most part, my only gripe being how snappy and cocky the lead seemed so early on into the story. After the tumult and the chaos of the opening pages, the it just seemed to remove me from the majesty of the tale somewhat. Not enough to spoil it, but I was somewhat taken aback how he clicked into that, after the disorientation of the installation beingn distroyed and the strange voice speaking to him. Maybe it was the adrenalin of the moment finally kicking in, of finally being free, but for one who seemed to live such a closeted life it seemed jarring.

On the upswing I was really taken by the tale, the mystery of the piece - a real epic seems to be unfolding and I can't wait to see what happens. Butch's art was devine, with a special mention going to Dan Brown's stunning colour job - rich with emotion and texture, really emphasising every emotion wonderfully.

Elsewhere, I'll wait for the Dini/Morales & Morrison/Kubert Batman books to kick in months and wait for the trade of the Robinson story, if it's good. Superman I was going to do the same with, but i'm utterly intruiged by the new set up.

I loved Chuck Dixon's Nightwing and didn't enjoy what I read of Devin's run. Took a peek at the first Jones/Dodd issue and was put off by ordinary art and a ghastly colouring job.

Green Lantern's still on my list, Flash is a definite when it starts again, Supergirl and The Legion Of Super Heroes will be my first issue in a while, after my store forgot to put #8 aside and I haven't been able to find it since. Oh and I'll definately be picking up 52.

BoP ... Is in my pull drawer still, but I genuinely don't know if i'll continue with the series (Sorry Gail). Maybe I should try the first OYL issue?!

I haven't picked up much in the way of US comics for quite some time, within a mixture of money worries and a little bit of apathy to be honest. I spent a lot of money back in September doing a massive pick up and still haven't read the majority of the titles I bought.

It took watching and adoring the Justice League Unlimited cartoon to make me realise how much I love the DCU, that I really do genuinely care for many of the characters and it brought back that lost sense of wonder tenfold. Hence stripping the titles I collect down to the characters I really like the most, the core essentials if you will .. and a manageable bunch enough to enthuse over and re-read.

Stephane Garrelie

03-22-2006, 04:01 AM

Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis is great. Exactly the book i wanted to read.(And currently one of my 2 favorite comic books with Mouse Guard by David Petersen.)
I can't wait for the new Atom serie by Gail and John Byrne.
Warlord is ok for me, but i wasn't a fan of Mike Grell. And i'm a fan of Bruce Jones (Ka-Zar, Savage Sword of Conan).
Since I loved Villains United i'll probably buy Secret Six too. But i have not decided yet if i'll wait for the trade or if i'll buy it monthly. I preffer the trade, but i'm tempted and i don't know if i will be able to wait.
JSA by Paul Levitz is great.
I'll know in a few hours know what to think of Hawkgirl.

Steel Spider

03-22-2006, 05:08 AM

Nightwing OYL sucked so bad. Bruce Jones obviously knows very little about Nightwing or his past dealings with meta-humans.

lonesomefool

03-22-2006, 05:26 AM

I actually was looking forward to Nightwing, but my shop sold out. I heard about the change, but we dont know what happened over OYL so I'm not against it.

Overall I cant judge OYL yet, I am really behind in my reading and havent even read an OYL issue yet. I will say this, I have never bought so many DC comics and the month isnt even close to being over.

Sharpandpointies

03-22-2006, 05:37 AM

Seeing as I'm only collecting BoP from DC so far (waiting for Robin to see how things are with Cassandra Cain), I'd say I'm pretty darned happy.

Gingold

03-22-2006, 08:42 AM

I think some readers got the incorrect impression that there's some sort of in-story reason for the titles to jump ahead. Time didn't move or shift, they just didn't show us what happened in the missing years.

I like the concept- it gives every title the oportunity to do some housecleaning if necessary and it gives each book a mystery to pull the readers in. I think it worked best for some titles that really needed a status quo shake up, like the Bat and Superman books. Some books though, like BoP, were really buidling up steam right before the OYL flip, and it seems like some momentum has been lost (though I liked the OYL issue, with some reservations about Dinah's situation, though I suspect that's intentional...).

Has it been successful? I liked the Detective, Superman and Green Arrow books. JSA was okay. I missed out on some that I was interested in, like Aquaman. Outsiders was disapointing, but I was looking for a good reason to drop the book anyway.

PatrickG

03-22-2006, 08:49 AM

I feel a bit vanilla for saying this but I thought DETECTIVE and ACTION were fantastic.

BoP looks intriguing.

I plan to go back and get Aquaman today or tomorrow. (I was sold on the previews but I'm a bit squeamish that before this is over, I'll feel tempted to sample EVERY book.)

CaptMagellan

03-22-2006, 08:50 AM

I'm not sure why any Orin fan would even want his story to be over yet...

kdb

Am I weird for wanting a scene with Orin, Conan, Sporpy the Porpoise and Bobby Ewing in a shower together? "Crom, what a strange dream!"

Seriously, I like the new Aquaman so far, it's the only OYL I liked. I'll pick up Hawkgirl (but really only because of Chaykin's art) and try that out also.

Kurt Busiek

03-22-2006, 09:03 AM

Kurt, if you bring in a porpoise named Sporpy I will love you forever.

You already love me forever, though.

Hmm, Sporpy...

The Spicy Porpoise from the South China Sea!

kdb

stealthwise

03-22-2006, 09:30 AM

I feel a bit vanilla for saying this but I thought DETECTIVE and ACTION were fantastic.

Damn rights. And BATMAN is out today!

Lunar Daydreamer

03-22-2006, 09:32 AM

Am I weird for wanting a scene with Orin, Conan, Sporpy the Porpoise and Bobby Ewing in a shower together? "Crom, what a strange dream!"

Seriously, I like the new Aquaman so far, it's the only OYL I liked. I'll pick up Hawkgirl (but really only because of Chaykin's art) and try that out also.

Can Patrick Duffy please be The Man From Atlantis instead?! ^_^

CaptMagellan

03-22-2006, 09:42 AM

Can Patrick Duffy please be The Man From Atlantis instead?! ^_^

Excellent!

TCJohnson

03-22-2006, 09:50 AM

I'm not sure why any Orin fan would even want his story to be over yet...

kdb

I wouldn't mind an ending for Orin as long as it was a happy one.

Kurt Busiek

03-22-2006, 10:16 AM

I wouldn't mind an ending for Orin as long as it was a happy one.

If and when he gets one, it won't happen offstage.

kdb

west3man

03-22-2006, 10:38 AM

To serve what porpoise ?To Serve What Porpoise?
*pictures Flipper swimming around in a panic*

"It's a cookbook. A COOKBOOOOOOK!"

TCJohnson

03-22-2006, 11:13 AM

If and when he gets one, it won't happen offstage.

kdb

Oh, I know that. I am just saying I hope it is happy and not tragic. But I will shut up now.

Sorry if I am coming off as trollish.

Super Sonic

03-22-2006, 11:50 AM

Detective/Batman = Crazy Delicious

Green Arrow - I didn't know Katrina hit Star City :rolleyes: But it has Deathstroke, so I'll give it time.

BoP - For my money it should have gotten alot more advertising then it did, I mean Lady Shiva on the team is a big thing, I just wasn't too excited for it, DC's fault really.

Nightwing - Tad, is that you? No, it's just an idea being used again not long after the original finished. -_-

...can't think of anything else, all in all as many highs as lows....so far.

Jeff F

03-22-2006, 12:56 PM

I think I've liked all the ones I've read so far.

AQUAMAN- Interesting. I'll see where it goes. I like swords and sorcery and King Shark. I don't believe I've ever picked up an Aquaman title in my life before this.

'TEC - It was good. Nothing fantastic, but solid Batman. Nice to see Bullock.

ACTION COMICS - ... or whichever Superman title is being written by Kurt and Geoff. i liked it bunches. Very cool, I enjoyed Superman without his powers. Didn't really believe it until Luthor drew blood, but it's all good, Kara is cool.

NIGHTWING - The only book by Bruce Jones I've liked. Not that I've read much of his, but I think it's worth noting. I really liked what Winnick was doing with Jason Todd over in the Bat books OYE and I'm glad he's sticking around.

OUTSIDERS - The expose at the start was bit much, but it was worth it. Interested in seeing where this goes.

BOP - Entertaining per usual. I like Shiva and Huntress combo, I like brutal training montages.

GREEN ARROW - I was a big fan of the Brick character, so it's nice to see him helping out a bit. I didn't really look at the issue as a criticism of real world politics, so that didn't bother me. I just took it as the status of everything.

I think that's all of them so far.

titanfan

03-22-2006, 12:58 PM

I've bought every single OYL so far. So far as a line, it hasn't lived up to the hype.

I guess it's like any other company line. A handful of them were excellent (Detective, Aquaman), most were mediocre, and some were downright horrific (Outsiders, Nightwing)

I guess I'm dissappointed. I thought it was a great way to shake up existing titles and bring in new readers, and considering the lead time that everyone seemed to have with their titles--I would have thought more people would have brought their "A game".

It's still early. I predict that when this all shakes out, I'll still be reading the same amount of titles as before.

Lester C.

03-22-2006, 01:16 PM

Oh, I know that. I am just saying I hope it is happy and not tragic. But I will shut up now.

Sorry if I am coming off as trollish.

TC you are anything but a troll or even trollish. You have always voiced your concerns with civility. Even when you were at your maddest, which I think would have been the death of Ted Kord, you still were a class act. You had an advance issue of countdown and choose not to spoil anything despite the fact that you were clearly pissed and that a class move in my book.

I can’t judge Aquaman because the book sold out but the issue of Superman that shipped last week was awesome so I have faith in Kurt run at being a DC Exclusive.

Lunar Daydreamer

03-22-2006, 01:59 PM

I can’t judge Aquaman because the book sold out.

I hope your store has more of a clue than mine did.

The only store here in Derby is Forbidden Planet, part of a massive chain that runs across England and Scotland.

I went in for Aquaman, new direction, new writer, new artist, one year later, loads of press, good feedback on the likes of the Newsarama articles ...nothing on the shelf...

I asked as to whether it had shipped, to be told that they only got in enough to cover standing orders... which was ... two copies.

TWO COPIES!

Thankfully I was still on order for the book but ...!

*Sigh*

Does my head in. Did they not think that with all of the above they could maybe risk ordering a few more for the shelf?

Grr.

I had the odd gripe, but for the most part I really loved the book and want more than anything for people to read it too. I've jumped up and down at the store about this but... it really annoys me!

:mad:

Lunar Daydreamer

03-22-2006, 02:00 PM

Excellent!

I used to try and swim like him when I was ickle!

:p

Lester C.

03-22-2006, 02:02 PM

DC is reprinting the issue so I think we'll be good on getting a copy.

Lunar Daydreamer

03-22-2006, 02:04 PM

DC is reprinting the issue so I think we'll be good on getting a copy.

No worries ... I felt inspired to rant about the inate dufusness of my store!

Hope you get to read it - it's tops!

:)

Super Sonic

03-22-2006, 02:04 PM

The only store here in Derby is Forbidden Planet, part of a massive chain that runs across England and Scotland.

And Ireland, but thankfully in Dublin, there's at least three comic book stores that I know of.

Lunar Daydreamer

03-22-2006, 02:05 PM

We used to have a 'Travelling Man' , packed with great staff who knew what they were talking about. But Gamestation decided they wanted their upstairs back and .. vamoosh!

sk716

03-22-2006, 03:15 PM

All I've read is:

BoP: To use a baseball analogy, Gail's walking up to the plate. It's the top of the ninth and she's leading by 6.

Nightwing: I seriously think I'm done with Nightwing. I grew to hate Devin Grayson's run and my loathing of Jason Todd has reached critical mass. When Todd is dead and buried again, I might give Nightwing another shot.

JSA: This one seems the most limited by the one year leap.

Stephane Garrelie

03-22-2006, 04:54 PM

Hawkgirl is great.

So far Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis, Hawkgirl and JSA are awesome one year later :)

And I like Warlord for the reasons i already said and because it's a good fantasy story with good, even if not easy, art.

Paploo the Ewok

03-22-2006, 07:46 PM

How do you feel about it so far?

Gail

It's been pretty keen. JSA has been fun, as is BOP. After hoping on board the Infintite Crisis train last week w/ 4+5, I'm now calling it a DC Day, and subscribing to Hawkgirl, Shadowpact, Wonder Woman and Checkmate. And checking out the new BraveNewDCU oneshot as well [thinking about Atom ^_^ With SS, it's mostly that I haven't read Villans United yet. Plan to though]

It's caused me to subscribe to more DC titles then ever before [I'm also continuing to read Fables, which is fantastic, and more people should check out. And to keep it on topic, it's been doing OYL stories alot anyways :)]

The Xenos

03-22-2006, 09:42 PM

GREEN ARROW - I was a big fan of the Brick character, so it's nice to see him helping out a bit. I didn't really look at the issue as a criticism of real world politics, so that didn't bother me. I just took it as the status of everything.

Green Arrow - I didn't know Katrina hit Star City :rolleyes: But it has Deathstroke, so I'll give it time.

The whole real world politics stuck out like a sore thumb in GA. Now I'm all for social commentary in GA, it's become part of the character and has been since like the 70s. Yet this felt too tacked on. I undertand Winick feeling outraged at the total failure of the government, but this felt very sudden and out of place. Plus the whole No Man's Land somewhat covered the same material in detail, and that was long before Katerina.

I will say the turn around with Brick and that scene was quite nice.

Nightwing - Tad, is that you? No, it's just an idea being used again not long after the original finished. -_-

Ha! I thought of Tad too. Yet there's no way it's him as he knew Dick's name. I'm hoping the two in this issue are Jason and.. um.. Arsenal? I really hope Dick himself wasn't in this Arsenal.

shrike

03-22-2006, 09:48 PM

How do you feel about it so far?

Gail

Very... bleh, overall.

I'm not feeling that the DCU has really changed, more or less gave the chance to writers to shake it up a bit storyline wise if they wanted.

I'd say of what I've seen so far AQUAMAN tops the list of a 'good' OYL.

God, AQUAMAN. :rolleyes: I can't even believe I just said that. Still, Kurt has taken the formula and shaken it up, which is really a good way to start off OYL. But its good, and Kurt has always been a solid performer with a record for forging new paths while not peeing all over what came before him.

Outsiders... I leafed through it at the shop. Just... no.

Nightwing... pass. Also mediocre.

Green Arrow... pass. *yawn*

Birds of Prey... honestly, not a lot changed, not drastically off the bat, anyhow. That's fine with me. It really runs well and imo if it ain't broke...

Night Swordsman

03-22-2006, 10:05 PM

Ok.

So far i have either read or purchased the following(ones read are marked with a *)
Detective Comics
Batman
BoP
Robin
Green Arrow
Catwoman
Outsiders
JSA
JSA:Classified
Supergirl and TLoSH
Hawkgirl
*Nightwing
*Aquaman
*the first Superman OYL title..forgot what it was

To be honest? Some GOOD stuff..and some mediocre stuff as well.
I WANTED to enjoy Aquaman,but did not,and after reading the issue,decided not to go on. I did not enjoy the art,and the story was not overly enjoyable for me.
Similar storys for Nightwing and the first Superman story. Want to like them(and i Really like Dick Grayson,10000% more than Bruce),but just couldn't dig into them.
JSA seemed to stay the same the most,and in this case was a blessing.
S&tLoSH also seemed very similar,but has not been wowing me.
Hawkgirl WOWED me with art,but the story setup seemed overly long. And no Hawkgirl to be found,except for a dream sequence. Well written,but better drawn. Loved the art.
BoP i have already mentioned,and i am eagerly awaiting to be wowed by Gail..which she can do.
JSA:C was BEAUTIFUL to look at. Siiiiigh. Wished Gulacy would do Shang-Chi again.
Green Arrow was a miss..but one i decided to buy anyway. I have been a big Deathstroke fan since his first appearance,and was curious as Ollie seemed to have one of the biggest changes in his life. Not great,but enough where i will look into the next issue.
Catwoman...the art was good,bordering on Great. A real treat. And as it has been mentioned..BATMAN WITH A TEDDY BEAR! Will be back next issue!
Robin was WELL written..had me from page one. Art was good. I didn't care for the death in the issue,as the person was a fun villan for Robin(as well as a decent reaccuring villan for Robin's very small rouges gallery). I just know that the Batgirl tie-in is going to piss off alot of people,especially if it goes the way i think it will.
Outsiders: One Word: Ick.
And then the big winners: Batman and Detective. Wow. I Dislike Batman,and LOVING this. I am going to be sad after this storyline is over. Takes some talent to make me buy Batman,but Mr. Robinson's writing delivers. And the art is very enjoyable.

Of the titles above,before OYL i was buying 5 of the above.
After OYL:7,with two on the watch list,and the two batman titles which i will see if it is as good after this story wraps up...
Am i enjoying OYL Yes,but with reservations. My main one?
The teasing. I'm serious. The plot cliffhangers that have been either shown or implied that are not being dealt with. Come ON! If i have to wait for a year for this to resolve,some of these titles WILL be dropped.

Kurt Busiek

03-22-2006, 10:15 PM

"What do you think I am, DUMB or something?" - Lina Lamont

"I ain't DUMB! I make more money than -- than CALVIN COOLIDGE! Put TOGITHER!" -- LL

kdb

jadrax

03-23-2006, 04:35 AM

So far, Robin, Catwoman, Birds of Prey, Superman, Batman/Detective, Green Arrow, JSA and Aquaman have all be hits with me, With Outsiders and Nightwing beings misses. Hawkgirl and JSA classified were both kinda average, the latter probably shouldent have been a OYL book tbh.

The Rest I still havent read yet ;o)

UniqueFrequency

03-23-2006, 05:08 AM

i've read Detective, BoP, JSA and liked them all so far.

From what i've read on the boards, i'm probably gonna get the trades for Nightwing, Green Arrow, Superman and Aquaman. Not enough cash for all the OYL books!

this week i haven't gone to the shop yet, but i'm interested in checking out Robin and Supergirl & the LOSH

Periscope

03-23-2006, 06:05 AM

Well I read a few more OYL titles last night at work and here's what I thought:

Supergirl and the LoSH: First issue of LoSH that I've ever read, and I really enjoyed it. Just a good, fun read all around, and the artwork definitely fit that mood. Definitely going to check out the next issue.

JSA: Classified: Much like the regular JSA title, this was amazingly average. Vandal Savage is definitely an interesting character and I liked reading the parts of his history, but the issue didn't do anything special for me. Haven't decided whether or not I'll pick up the next issue. Will probably depend on how many titles come out the week it's released.

Hawkgirl: My eyes, the goggles do nothing! This has got to be one of the worst things I have ever had the displeasure of reading. The dialogue was lifeless and unnatural, the narration was dull, the characters were boring, and the artwork was static (not to mention ugly). I should have listened to my instincts after I read the preview for this title and given it a miss. Recommended for masochists only.

I still have to read Robin, Catwoman, and Manhunter. Back later with more thoughts.

CaptMagellan

03-23-2006, 08:37 AM

I picked up Hawkgirl and while I love Chaykin's art Simonson's script didn't grab me. I'll give it another couple of issues but only out of respect for Chaykin and Simonson than because the story was strong.

Corrina

03-23-2006, 09:05 AM

I think it would be the same with or without OYL.

Good writers--Busiek, Robinson, Levitz--are writing interesting stories with the premise. But they'd be writing interesting stories with or without the gimmick. I didn't need OYL to finally pick up Batman and Tec. All I needed to hear was "James Robinson." The big difference, I guess, is that Gordon & Bullock are back. But that could have been done without OYL.

Now, Kurt's idea for "Aquaman" does rely quite a bit on OYL to bring in a new character, but I bet he could have used something with Atlantean magic or something like that to bring in Arthur Curry too.

So, I like the stories by writers writing good stuff. The OYL concept I could live without.

Ogdred

03-23-2006, 09:15 AM

How do you feel about it so far?

Gail

I'm okay with it. But, then, I haven't read any of it. When I first noticed people posting about "Oyl," I thought it was some inside joke of the board about Popeye's girlfriend. I'm a little disappointed I was wrong about that.

So, okay...let me change my answer to "mildly disgruntled."

Lunar Daydreamer

03-23-2006, 09:36 AM

When I first noticed people posting about "Oyl," I thought it was some inside joke of the board about Popeye's girlfriend. I'm a little disappointed I was wrong about that."

Or an online abbreviation!

If 'LOL' is laughout loud, OYL can be 'Oh yes, Lets!'

^_^

UniqueFrequency

03-23-2006, 10:16 AM

Super Sonic

03-23-2006, 11:18 AM

Just got Robin today, and Batman.

Batman/Detective - Still going strong.

Robin - I really liked this, in fact even the mentions of Dick are better than his actual story, I really want to see this year of bonding they had, also the whole Bat family seems set to appear in some shape or form, I like that sorta thing. ^^ Mystery ain't too bad either.

JeffreyWKramer

03-23-2006, 11:20 AM

I haven't read many of the books yet, so I don't know what to think.

I picked up HAWKGIRL because of the creative team, but haven't had a chance to read it yet. My store failed to pull MANHUNTER for me, need to get that, too.

A year might as well not have passed in JSA; apparently they got through the year relatively unscathed? Haven't read JSA CLASSIFIED yet, but a quick flip-thru shows Scandal Savage makes an appearance, so that is a good thing.

NIGHTWING was awful, but then, that was true before OYL, too, so I don't see a lot of change.

Undecided yet re: BoP, but certainly not hatin' it. Don't see the changes as that drastic, interested in seeing how Dinah got to where she is, and I really like the sorta-glimpse of one of the new members (someone I've been pulling for as a member for some time now).

I haven't picked up any of the others yet, not sure I'm going to. Sorry, Kurt, but I've been burnt and bored by too many AQUAMAN books over the years to give it another try on the current, tight budget. OUTSIDERS, from a quick glance at the store, continues to be awful, I've long given up on GA, see no reason to change my mind there. However, a lot of people are liking the OYL 'TEC and BATMAN, so maybe I'll give those a try.

Periscope

03-23-2006, 01:37 PM

Finished reading the OYL titles for this week after waking up this afternoon.

Catwoman: First issue of this title that I've read and I liked it. Good dialogue and narration, especially between Selina and Bruce. Who the baby's father is wasn't revealed, but there were hints that it could be Bruce, though I doubt that will turn out to be the case. The only thing that bugged me was that every other word was underlined. I'll pick up the next issue for sure.

Robin: Another first for me and again I enjoyed it. A good mystery was set up and the scene between Bruce and Tim was really well written. Good to see the Bat-family finally getting along. I think every issue I read this week that featured Batman had him smiling (or at least smirking) in one panel or another, and it's about time! Another addition to my expanding pull list :( ;)

Manhunter: When this book is good, it's great. Every cast member is written so well, with so much depth, and it's nice to see lives that don't revolve around super-heroing 24/7. We get a few hints as to what happened at the end of the Crisis, and the story ends with a curious twist. Recommended!

Batman: Continuing from Detective Comics, Batman and Robin rush off to face Poison Ivy. Good to see Batman and Robin working as team, and it was especially nice to see Batman use his brain instead of his brawn. I can't say a whole lot happened in this issue and it was a really quick read, but I certainly liked it and can't wait to see the mystery unfold in the next issue. Recommended for anyone who enjoyed the OYL Detective Comics.

JeffreyWKramer

03-23-2006, 06:19 PM

I just read JSA CONFIDENTIAL and HAWKGIRL. The first was quite good, the second wasn't bad by any means, and was intriguing enough to convince me to buy the next issue.

d newton

03-23-2006, 11:25 PM

Ranking from best to worst so far.

Birds of Prey - 10/10.
Manhunter - 10/10.

JSA - 9/10.
Batman - 9/10.
Detective Comics - 9/10.
Superman - 9/10.
Firestorm: The Nuclear Man - 9/10.

Hawkgirl - 8/10.
Catwoman - 8/10.
Robin - 8/10.
Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis - 8/10.

Green Arrow - 5/10.
SG & the LOSH - 5/10.
Supergirl - 5/10.

Outsiders - 0/10.
Nightwing - 0/10.
Blood of the Demon - 0/10.

NickThompson

03-24-2006, 09:17 AM

Only OYL book I've read so far is BOP, and to be honest it didn't change THAT much.

I will be getting a few new books out of it.

I think what matters most is what happens 6 months after OYL. I mean, take Catwoman. Selina has kid, new Catwoman, right? One arc later, Selina could be Catwoman again. Someone else might be taking care of the kid.

Bored at 3:00AM

03-24-2006, 10:45 AM

DETECTIVE - Shrugs. I guess this is a big improvement, but I'm not a big enough Batman fan to be able to tell the difference. Still feels like the same old stuff to me, but now written by James Robinson. Pass.

ACTION - Not great, not bad. I loved the Luthor stuff though so I'll be back for more. Nice art and solid dialogue coupled with a great love and respect for Superman is always a draw for me...

OUTSIDERS - Not really my thang. But, if you like your brightly costumed super-heroes mixed heavily with grim humourless African genocide, this was probably right up your alley. Pass.

NIGHTWING - Ugh. I can't actually think of anything I liked about this thing. Just....dull...lifeless...tired....ugh. Burned the issue after I finished reading it even though I had borrowed it from a friend. And I would do it again. It was that dull.

FIRESTORM - solid mid-80's styled superhero stuff. Moore really understands what makes Firestorm appealing to readers, at least to readers like me.

GREEN ARROW - I've been burned by Winnick's frequent lapses into outright hackery too many times now to be sold on this quite yet, but the premise is really good (and long overdue--it was an idea introduced in 1972) and I really enjoy Scott McDaniel's spaz-tastic art style. On probation.

CATWOMAN - Intrigued, but not really grabbed enough by anything in this one to keep reading. Too many other good comics out there competing for my time and money. Pass.

LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES - Aside from Barry Kitson's stiff art and utterly bland costume designs, I'm absolutely loving this book. Waid has finally sold me on LSH after years of the entire concept leaving me cold. "Up Yours Grandpa!" is one of the funniest bits I've heard in quite some time.

JSA - I'm interested enough to pick up the next issue, but Levitz's first two issues haven't exactly knocked my socks off. On probation.

BIRDS OF PREY - Same as JSA. I'll pick up the next issue, but it better blow me away otherwise it's not making the cut. On probation.

AQUAMAN - Can't believe I almost forgot this one because it was, by far, the best OYL relaunch of the bunch. Merging Aquaman with Sword n' Sorcery and using the Arthurian myths to great advantage has made this book a great relaunch.

BlackCanaryGuy

03-24-2006, 02:08 PM

Birds of Prey - I liked it. I really love Lady Shiva, and I feel like her characterization is pretty inconsistent across different books, in part because of the instrumental way in which many writers approach her. Loved her run in BoP a while back, so I look forward to more character development here. I want to see the team expand to include other characters, but I have to admit that I wouldn’t mind a title that was “all-canary, all the time.”

Manhunter - Hoping my store still has copies. I picked up a couple issues of this title a few weeks back because of the raves people wrote on these boards, and I have to say, I loved 'em.

JSA - pretty good. I'm jumping back onto JSA for Levitz, so I have high hopes

Batman -I really liked the art, but I felt like the story way a little "meh." Poison Ivy? Crazed plants? Evil corporate polluters? I've read that story one time too many.

Catwoman - I have loved this title recently, but the OYL leap left me wanting more. I can't really put my finger on why, but it didn't feel like it had much content. Given that Selina had a baby, talked to Bruce about it, and there's a new Catwoman, I don't think I should have felt that way.

Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis-I clearly need to pick this up.

Green Arrow - I actually liked this issue. I didn't think the Katrina stuff was out of the blue. I mean, Star City was seriously damaged, and I think the relationship between GA and the city is pretty organic (I was really happy to see him return there). No Man's Land was, for my taste, a really poor version of this same idea--an overblown theme-park ride.

SG & the LOSH - I had dropped LoSH and picked it up again for this issue. I like the title, but I feel like there's nothing for me to focus on. If Supergirl has a major role, then maybe she'll be a more effective way of focusing reader attention.

The Xenos

03-24-2006, 02:25 PM

GREEN ARROW - I've been burned by Winnick's frequent lapses into outright hackery too many times now to be sold on this quite yet, but the premise is really good (and long overdue--it was an idea introduced in 1972) and I really enjoy Scott McDaniel's spaz-tastic art style. On probation.

(emphasis mine) Yeah, if McDaniel wasn't there, there's no way I'd buy this book. I've loved his style since the first issue of Nightwing.

sixstringguild

03-24-2006, 02:32 PM

How do you feel about it so far?

Gail

I trade-wait for the most part so I won't be able to read the books until a few months if not a year from now. From what I've culled from spoilers and different things, I think I'm on the fence right now. I guess I was expecting some major changes to the characters but from what I've seen so far, I'm a little underwhelmed. I don't know why. None of the solicitations have me excited.

One thing I hope I don't see is a Batman who smiles and jokes around a lot. Batman needs to be a loner and on the edge, so I hope you all at DC don't lighten him up too much.

Hawkman hasn't shown up in any solicits so that has me on the fence as well since he's one of my fave characters. The book changing to Hawkgirl bummed me out.

UniqueFrequency

03-24-2006, 07:56 PM

(emphasis mine) Yeah, if McDaniel wasn't there, there's no way I'd buy this book. I've loved his style since the first issue of Nightwing.

yeah i don't know what took them so long to put him on GA. the fill in guy before him was terrible

Night Swordsman

03-24-2006, 08:05 PM

yeah i don't know what took them so long to put him on GA. the fill in guy before him was terrible

Probably was holding him BACK till OYL,not only to do the creator change bit but to also give Scott a chance to build a backlog of work so they would have comfortable lead time.

Calamas

03-25-2006, 10:29 AM

AQUAMAN: SWORD OF ATLANTIS #40
A- A good, solid opening to what should be a solid run.
BLOOD OF THE DEMON #13
Unread
DETECTIVE COMICS #817
A Great beginning to a (Thank God) back-to-basics Batman
JSA #83
C+
OUTSIDERS #34
Dropped
FIRESTORM: THE NUCLEAR MAN #23
B- Stuart Moore off his game for a second issue in a row. But I’m far from worried.
SUPERGIRL AND THE LEGION OF THE SUPER-HEROES #16
B+
TEEN TITANS #33
B+
BIRDS OF PREY #92
C+
GREEN ARROW #60
Dropped
NIGHTWING #118
Unread
SUPERMAN #650
A Very good reintroduction to Superman’s world.
BATMAN #651
D+ Disappointing follow-up to Detective #817.
CATWOMAN #53
Unread
HAWKGIRL #50
B- Not much happened but I wasn’t bored.
JSA CLASSIFIED #10
A+ Stuart Moore *on* his game. And why I’m not worried about Firestorm.
MANHUNTER #20
C- Not much happened but I *was* bored.
ROBIN #148
Unread

Kurt Busiek

03-25-2006, 11:03 AM

Probably was holding him BACK till OYL,not only to do the creator change bit but to also give Scott a chance to build a backlog of work so they would have comfortable lead time.

Actually, since he's drawing ROBIN for a while, he was probably busy.

kdb

sk716

03-25-2006, 02:04 PM

Lester C.

03-25-2006, 02:09 PM

I was out this morning and spotted a Detective Comics #817. I thought, what the hell, I've heard good things.

I haven't been this pleased reading a Batman comic since, umm, probably Loeb/Lee's Hush. I'm adding it to my subscriptions.

If you are into Tim Drake check out Robin 148. I loved that book to death and went as far to start a thread on it on the Batman board a place I normally don't go to.

Night Swordsman

03-25-2006, 03:28 PM

I will have to agree..both of those books were great.

I just wished all the OYL,especially with new creators,were this good.

Siiiiigh.

d newton

03-26-2006, 12:45 AM

Not much happened but I *was* bored.
You were bored *with* Manhunter? Why?

The Beast Of Yucca Flats

03-26-2006, 11:16 AM

So far, it's...

Detective Comics #817: In addition to the return of classic elements like Gordon, Robinson has restored the sense of mystery & electricity to Batman's world. And Leonard Kirk's art seems to work better here than on some of his Aquaman.

Batman #651: Great art from Don Kramer, but this installment still suffers for being "filler."

Superman #650: Mostly set-up, but still some great character bits & probably the best Luthor I've seen in years.

Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis #40: The mystery Kurt's introduced seems to be an interesting one, but Butch Guice really shines here. His art really brings a sense of majesty to the book's look.

Birds of Prey #92: I'm still not totally sold on the art team yet, but Gail's given a mystery that may keep message boards humming for some time to come. What's with Dinah? Or Shiva, for that matter? On to #100!

JSA #83: I wasn't totally looking forward to this, as I'm mostly a fan of the JSA due to Johns, and Gentleman Ghost has never interested me. But still, Levitz hasn't done so bad here; and the art of Rags Morales & Luke Ross can make your eyes water.

Hawkgirl #50: Like most of the other stuff on this list, mostly set-up. Chaykin's art is a bit scratchy, but it still has a sense of energy to it. And while Simonson thankfully keeps the sense of mystery & supernatural elements that have been a hallmark of this series, some of the lines (such as the exchange at the site of Kendra's accident) seem too corny; and the thought balloons just seem kinda... quaint. Plus, it couldn't have hurt to have seen more of Kendra in costume.

Catwoman #53: This is probably the most-interesting issue of Will Pfeifer's run, but still a far cry from the days of Ed Brubaker. While the both Selina's new baby & Holly's new role have given this book a little bit of a kick in the ass, a lot of the characters I didn't like or found dull pre-OYL are still around (those two cops, Angle Man, possibly even Slam Jr.) I'm not sure I'll stick around on this book. Sorry, Will! Maybe I'll just wait for the new Spectre, or try to finally finish H-E-R-O one of these days.

Calamas

03-26-2006, 12:00 PM

You were bored *with* Manhunter? Why?
Story. Story. Story.

Or, in this case, lack thereof.

What we got was an obligatory battle and random character updates. It was a waste of the OYL jumping off point, and I found it dull. I also found the same problem in Hawkgirl, though that issue ended up being more to my liking; perhaps because they kept it to only three characters, or maybe because Simonson at least explored the beginnings of his story along with his update bulletins. OTOH, Manhunter ended on an intriguing note. Why would a costumed vigilante who kills bad guys become a defense attorney? It wasn’t all boring by any means. I’ll be sticking around. But I stand by my grade of C-.