Best X-men runs of the last 10 years

[adrian chase]

I stopped reading x-men around 1992. What runs do you suggest I pick up to get back in. I just picked up the current Astonishing X-men run because I'm a big firefly/Weedon fan. Please be specific with issue #'s, writer and artist. Also can any reccommend a good place to buy mylar bags and boards online? Thanks guys.

[Tony Bang]

New X-Men by Grant Morrison (New X-Men #114-154)

The Current X-Factor by PAD is also worth your time.


You could find bags and boards at milehighcomics.com. (Under Supplies)

[Faded]

Personal choices:

Joe Kelly's X-Men run / Steven Seagle (see below for Babylon23's post for issue numbers)
PAD's Current X-Factor
Madrox Mini-Series by PAD
New X-Men by Grant Morrison
New Mutants vol. 2 by Nunzio DeFilippis and Christina Weir
Runaways vol. 1 & 2 (whoops...not X-Book but a must read :cool: )
Young Avengers (ditto)

There's a lot more as there's a lot I like, but those are what come to mind at the moment. :)

[Babylon23]

Warren Ellis' Excalibur (#87-#102) is an excellent run.
X-Treme X-Men #1-24 by Claremont and Larocca
X-Factor 71-92 (Peter David's 1st run)
The Kelly/Seagle run on X-Men and Uncanny (Uncanny 352-365, X-Men 70-85)

[hshaukat]

I second the recommendation of Grant Morrison's New X-Men run (#114-154). First story arc is the best, collected in the "New X-Men: E is for Extinction" TPB, but they're all great.

Glad that you've already got Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men. Good stuff there.

[Be Stiff]

The Morrison run would have been soooo great if they hadn't lumped him with Kordey for the middle of the run. But you get John Paul Leon fill ins a couple of times, which does a little bit to make it better. The starting arc is amazing, the last three arcs are amazing, riot at Xavier's is strong like bull but there are periods when the run treads water (the low point being dust's debut, with a poo story and **** awful dialouge). Morrison and Quitely come close to nailing the vast untapped storytelling potential of the series and #150 has one of the most brutal, unforgiving fights in mainstream comics (until Infinite Crisis #4. Go Jimenez).

Millar's Wolverine run is amazing. Avoid Xtreme X-Men unless you like posed action figures being overly verbose at each other.

[Twigglet]

I'd say you should read HOM, it's a good story which sets up the X-universe for a few years to come.

Once you've got that, you should get X-factor and Son Of M.

New X-men is also a great run.

And then there is X-force/X-statix by Milligan, one of the bst comics of recent years.

Like someone else said, I'd avoid X-treme X-men, and really pretty much all of Uncanny X-men.

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

X-Force X-Statix: Pete Milligan and Mike Allred

Joe Kelly/Carlos Pacheco on X-Men

Scott Lobdell/Joe Madureira on Uncanny X-Men

Scott Lobdell/Chris Bachalo on Generation X

Warren Ellis/Carlos Pacheco on Excalibur

Grant Morrison/Frank Quitely on New X-Men

[Stephane Garrelie]

X-treme X-men. By Claremont and Larroca.
X-Men: True Friends. great mini by Claremont, Rick Leonardi and Terry Austin.
Uncanny X-men current run by Claremont/ Alan Davis and vavious (Chris Bachalo, Andy Park, Billy Tan,...).
Astonishing X-men 1 to 8 by Josh Whedon and John Casssaday. (great first arc in 1 to 6. 7 and 8 are the beginning of the second arc wich is crappy, but these 2 first issues are ok. it starts being crappy with the 2 last pages of issue 8 only.)
New X-Men E is for Extinction. the first arc by Grant Morrison and Frank Quietly. If all their run had been this good...

[Valen]

New X-Men: Morrison
Astonishing X-Men: Whedon
X-Statix: Milligan
X-Man: Ellis

[BIG-X-FAN]

X-Men: issues 62 through 87 are all very strong stories. The writers during this time were Scott Lobdell and Joe Kelly, with such artists as Carlos Pacheco, Adam Kubert, and Alan Davis. After that they go into space and then there's the 12 storyline and it gets really confusing. I stopped reading when those issues were coming out. I picked back up with with issue 100. The story wasn't very well recieved, but I thought it was good. Chris Claremont wrote it through issue 109. Lenil Yu handled the majority of the art chores. Issue 110 Scott Lobdell took over for 4 issues. I liked this story alot. Lenil Yu continues with the art. After that Grant Morrison came aboard for 50 issues. I love these stories. The 2001 Annual was very good, and plays into the rest of Morrison's arc. With art by Frank Quitely, Phil Jiminez, John Paul Leon, Ethan Van Sciver, and Marc Silvestri it's a must read run on the X-Men. After that it's not worth reading. Except for the X-Mas issue #165. I like the fun stories.

[fishtaco]

Read:

Rob Weinberg's Cable
Fabian Nicieza's Cable and Deadpool
Alan Davis's Excalibur
Warren Ellis's Excalibur
Judd Winnick's Exiles
Tony Bedard's Exiles
Fabian Nicieza's Gambit
Chris Claremont's New Excalibur
Chris Claremont's 2nd and 3rd runs on Uncanny X-Men
Frank Tieri's Weapon X
Larry Hama's Wolverine
Peter David's X-Factor
Howard Mackie's X-Factor
Peter David's 2nd X-Factor
John Francis Moore's X-Force
Terry Kavanagh's X-Man
Grant Morrison's New X-Men
Chris Claremont's X-Treme X-Men

Avoid like a plague: Peter Milligan's X-Men, Chuck Austen's Uncanny X-Men, Joe Casey's Uncanny X-Men, Scott Lobdell's Uncanny X-Men, Scott Lobdell's Excalibur, Ben Raab's Excalibur, Peter Milligan's X-Force and X-Statix, House of M, Phoenix Endsong, Deadly Genesis.

[Faded]

Oh yeah, I also reccomend:

Winnick's Exiles (starts with issue 1 don't know exactly when it ends off hand)
Milligan's X-Force/X-Statix
Ed Brubaker's X-Men: Deadly Genesis (probably should wait for the trade though)
PAD's X-Factor
Moore's X-Force

I'd skip current New Excaibur, Generation M, House of M, Austen's X-Men & Uncanny X-Men runs, and neither current X-Men or Uncanny runs by Milligan and Claremont respectively (which are alright in their own right but nothing really worth getting--read issue summaries to get caught up on this summers' new creative teams).

[dotdotdot]

Read:

Rob Weinberg's Cable
Fabian Nicieza's Cable and Deadpool
Alan Davis's Excalibur
Warren Ellis's Excalibur
Judd Winnick's Exiles
Tony Bedard's Exiles
Fabian Nicieza's Gambit
Chris Claremont's New Excalibur
Chris Claremont's 2nd and 3rd runs on Uncanny X-Men
Frank Tieri's Weapon X
Larry Hama's Wolverine
Peter David's X-Factor
Howard Mackie's X-Factor
Peter David's 2nd X-Factor
John Francis Moore's X-Force
Terry Kavanagh's X-Man
Grant Morrison's New X-Men
Chris Claremont's X-Treme X-Men

Avoid like a plague: Peter Milligan's X-Men, Chuck Austen's Uncanny X-Men, Joe Casey's Uncanny X-Men, Scott Lobdell's Uncanny X-Men, Scott Lobdell's Excalibur, Ben Raab's Excalibur, Peter Milligan's X-Force and X-Statix, House of M, Phoenix Endsong, Deadly Genesis.

right but pick favorites. that list is way too long and invalidates your "avoid like the plague" picks.

dude just read xstatix and the morrison run on new xmen and you've got the decade covered.

[FieryBalrog]

The Kelly/Seagle run on X-Men and Uncanny (Uncanny 352-365, X-Men 70-85)

I would also like to recommend this because I think everyone else has forgotten about it.

And of course, New X-men 114-154 by Morrison, its amazing.

[d newton]

Read:
Lobdell's Uncanny.
Davis's Excalibur.
Ellis's Excalibur.
Ellis's Gen X.
Hama's Wolverine.
JFM's X Force.
David's X Factor.

Avoid:
Winnick & Bedard's Exiles.
Tieri's Weapon X.
Mackie's X Factor.

[Sentinel K]

I wouldn't take anyone's advice. Everyone is saying different things.

What one person likes, another person hates. "Good" is subjective.

Just go with what looks interesting to you, dude.



Although I will just throw in my 2 cents and say I really would avoid anything by Austen, and I reccomend the first 4 trades of morrison's New Xmen.

[Citizen V]

Bascially pick up anything that went from you stopped reading Uncanny until 1995,that`s when you bascially got your money`s worth from the X-Men.Notice how most people bascially say the same thing,at that time..it was all really good.

But avoid Morrison`s X-Men run,it started the bad writing with Uncanny.

[Jake V]

Bascially pick up anything that went from you stopped reading Uncanny until 1995,that`s when you bascially got your money`s worth from the X-Men.Notice how most people bascially say the same thing,at that time..it was all really good.

But avoid Morrison`s X-Men run,it started the bad writing with Uncanny.
You are aware that Morrison didn't write Uncanny, right?

[FieryBalrog]

Don't avoid Morrison's run! :eek:

[Jake V]

Don't avoid Morrison's run! :eek:
I dunno man. Maybe he should completely ignore the 12 people who say he should read Morrison's run and listen to the one guy who says to avoid it.

[fishtaco]

I'm not the biggest fan of Morrison's run, but it is an essential read.

[Sentinel K]

I'm not the biggest fan of Morrison's run, but it is an essential read.

The tacoman speaks the truth.

[UniqueFrequency]

Joe Kelly's run
Seagle's run
Winick on Exiles
Astonishing

and i think the whole Lobdell run was good.

avoid Austen and CC

[Grizsly]

I too will add another nod for Morrison's NXM run - it was great stuff. I had been out of the whole X-Men continuity for awhile, then Astonishing got me back into it, so I started picking up the trades - once I was hooked, I sought out a complete run of the original issues, and have read the entire run three full times (plus many other reads of various trades) in the past year and change.

I even liked the Dust story - Wolvie in the desert, with Fantomex (a KICK ASS character!) - then back at the Asia branch, with Thornn and Feral - some great dialogue in there, I thought, culminating in Wolvie - "It means dust. It's all she says. Now will everyone shut the hell up!?"

But through and through, with the many recomendations for it in this thread, yer pretty safe in picking up the first trade.

[Kal]

avoid Austen and CC

I really don't understand the Austen hate. He not that different from Grant Morrison; Austen = Morrison + daytime soap opera lol

Morrison's run
Austen's run (except Draco and Poptopia arc... you might like them but I don't lol)
Whedon's Astonshing X-Men

EDIT: I hated Morrison's last arc; "Here Comes Tomorrow" Beautiful, beautiful art but totally pointless and worthless story. AVOID AT ALL COSTS lol

[Sentinel K]

I really don't understand the Austen hate. He not that different from Grant Morrison; Austen = Morrison + daytime soap opera lol

Morrison's run
Austen's run (except Draco and Poptopia arc... you might like them but I don't lol)
Whedon's Astonshing X-Men

EDIT: I hated Morrison's last arc; "Here Comes Tomorrow" Beautiful, beautiful art but totally pointless and worthless story. AVOID AT ALL COSTS

lol

I would disagree with you totally here.

For starters, Austen didn't write Poptopia, Casey did.

And Morrison and Austen were NOTHING alike. Morrison was a visionary (although you didn't have to necessarly LIKE his vision) who introduced some good ideas and some less good ideas, but all interesting and fresh nonetheless.

Austen was a hack who only had one good thing going for him, which was the Sammy/Juggernaut relationship. He had some seeds of ideas, but spectacularly failed to turn them into anything remotely resembling entertainment.

[Kal]

For starters, Austen didn't write Poptopia, Casey did.

Sorry about that. Still a horrible arc though :p


And Morrison and Austen were NOTHING alike. Morrison was a visionary (although you didn't have to necessarly LIKE his vision) who introduced some good ideas and some less good ideas, but all interesting and fresh nonetheless.

Austen was a hack who only had one good thing going for him, which was the Sammy/Juggernaut relationship. He had some seeds of ideas, but spectacularly failed to turn them into anything remotely resembling entertainment.

I'm not sure about Morrison "visions" or Austen being a "hack"; all I can say is that I really enjoyed both runs except for Morrison's last arc, the whole Weapon thirteen/Fantomex story/how Jean died and Austen's Draco. :)
I thought they were alike because thier stories where quite different from anything I had read before except that Austen's stories had a lot more drama which might not be to everyones tastes. I think Austen Uncanny run is way better than Milligan's X-Men run

*runs*

[Sentinel K]

Sorry about that. Still a horrible arc though :p



I'm not sure about Morrison "visions" or Austen being a "hack"; all I can say is that I really enjoyed both runs except for Morrison's last arc, the whole Weapon thirteen/Fantomex story/how Jean died and Austen's Draco. :)
I thought they were alike because thier stories where quite different from anything I had read before except that Austen's stories had a lot more drama which might not be to everyones tastes. I think Austen Uncanny run is way better than Milligan's X-Men run

*runs*

Easy mistake to make dude. IMO the only good Casey issue was the first one, the 'All New, All Different' anniversary one with Warp Savant.

Of Morrison, I liked up to and including Riot at Xaviers. I think it went a bit nuts with 'Return to weapon Plus' and 'Planet X'. I found 'here comes tomorrow' interesting , but a little confusing so ultimately unfulfilling. I aprreciated the attempt to do something new though (even if it was an homage to DoFP. Sort of).

I actually didn't like the art that much. I'm not big on Silvestri.

[fishtaco]

In all honesty, I think that the X-Men has been less than mediocre since 1992. It's never come anywhere close to rising above the glory days.

[DDM]

Grant Morrison's New X-Men #114-154, New X-Men 2001 Annual
Chris Claremont's X-Treme X-Men #1-45, X-Treme X-Men 2001 Annual

Chris Claremont plays off & develops many of Morrison's ideas from New X-Men in X-Treme X-Men. Sage's character development is shown throughout the series as well as pieces of her origin which links her to both Charles Xavier & Sebastian Shaw.

[UniqueFrequency]

I really don't understand the Austen hate. He not that different from Grant Morrison; Austen = Morrison + daytime soap opera lol

Morrison's run
Austen's run (except Draco and Poptopia arc... you might like them but I don't lol)
Whedon's Astonshing X-Men

EDIT: I hated Morrison's last arc; "Here Comes Tomorrow" Beautiful, beautiful art but totally pointless and worthless story. AVOID AT ALL COSTS lol

too much soap opera if you ask me. plus he almost totally ruined Iceman

[xgeek52]

i've seen threads like this through the years...it's been said there's no right or wrong answer...we feel what we feel...tha said -- i liked the kelly/seagle run...morrison i coulda lived without although i've come to appreciate what he did...

yet it will always be claremont...good, bad or indifferent, claremont has always repsected all things x.

and that is the mark of the best x-men run.


:o :cool: 'nuff said...

[FieryBalrog]

too much soap opera if you ask me. plus he almost totally ruined Iceman


and Havok...

and Lorna...

everyone, basically.

[Kal]

too much soap opera if you ask me. plus he almost totally ruined Iceman

and Havok...

and Lorna...

everyone, basically.

Huh? Please explain. Iceman had been ruined by anybody who wrote him in the past. How was Lorna ruined? Because she went bat-shit insane? Havok? :confused:

[the Hornet]

Huh? Please explain. Iceman had been ruined by anybody who wrote him in the past. How was Lorna ruined? Because she went bat-shit insane? Havok? :confused:

Sad but true.......the only two to show him respect and write him well were Lobdell and Kelly.

[UniqueFrequency]

Sad but true.......the only two to show him respect and write him well were Lobdell and Kelly.

that was going to be my response too.

which is why i have those two named in my best runs for the last 10 years.

[FieryBalrog]

Huh? Please explain. Iceman had been ruined by anybody who wrote him in the past. How was Lorna ruined? Because she went bat-shit insane? Havok? :confused:

Havok- First the whole shenannigan with Annie, which was just Austen shoehorning an overdose of soap operatics into the books, and then you have his "no, wait, I really love you" turn around just 20-30 issues after he ditches her at the wedding. Its so forced and the characters involved (Lorna, Bobby, Alex and Annie) feel like caricatures going through the motions for the sake of plot-mandated drama. X-men 157-160: Havok being a whiny jerk? He's like something out of a bad soap.

Lorna- yea, batshit insane might have something to do with it. It felt totally unreal because hardly anyone even reacted to it in a believable fashion, like she was going crazy on cue. Again she behaves like something out of a bad soap.

Iceman- at least depressing Iceman, which is where a lot of writers went with him before Austen, isn't nearly as annoying as I'm-a-huge-dick Iceman. Again, X-men 157- up through and continuing through Milligan's run. I actually liked Casey's Iceman for example, he was a smartass without being a complete dick.

[Sentinel K]

I actually liked Casey's Iceman for example, he was a smartass without being a complete dick.

He looked cool in that shirt and trench coat too.

[FieryBalrog]

He looked cool in that shirt and trench coat too.

http://www.amazingcomics.it/icemanweb.jpg


Yep. Love that look, hate the "I'm bald and wearing a thong" look.

[Kal]

Iceman- at least depressing Iceman, which is where a lot of writers went with him before Austen, isn't nearly as annoying as I'm-a-huge-dick Iceman. Again, X-men 157- up through and continuing through Milligan's run. I actually liked Casey's Iceman for example, he was a smartass without being a complete dick.

I have to agree, Bobby was just plain annoying in Austen's adjectiveless run; it was almost like he had a dildo with spikes shoved up his ass. I remember the whole "I'm an original X-man/ don't think Juggs should be on the team/ I wan't off the team" phase but then I remembered that Iceman wouldn't have become this annoying character if previous writers allowed him to grow up.


Lorna- yea, batshit insane might have something to do with it. It felt totally unreal because hardly anyone even reacted to it in a believable fashion, like she was going crazy on cue. Again she behaves like something out of a bad soap.

I don't see how this is unreal or out of character. Lorna has always been someone who was one step away from going insane(or maybe not but I just can't believe she was ever really normal after Mailce possesed her) and after witnessing the massacre at Genosha you can't expect her not go a little crazy :p At the time I didn't like what Lorna did to Annie or understand why she went crazy but I wasn't suprised.

Havok- First the whole shenannigan with Annie, which was just Austen shoehorning an overdose of soap operatics into the books, and then you have his "no, wait, I really love you" turn around just 20-30 issues after he ditches her at the wedding. Its so forced and the characters involved (Lorna, Bobby, Alex and Annie) feel like caricatures going through the motions for the sake of plot-mandated drama. X-men 157-160: Havok being a whiny jerk? He's like something out of a bad soap.


Oh come on! That was just drama waiting to happen. Havok was always a whiny jerk and there was always tension between him, Lorna and Bobby. Annie was just thrown in to balance the scales.

Maybe I'm just happy that Bobby, Lorna, Cain and Alex got a lot more "screen time" than they've had in a long time. Austen's run was far from perfect but I don't it's the "OMGITSUCKSAVOIDLIKETHEPLAGUE" shitfest most people think it is.

[UniqueFrequency]

I have to agree, Bobby was just plain annoying in Austen's adjectiveless run; it was almost like he had a dildo with spikes shoved up his ass. I remember the whole "I'm an original X-man/ don't think Juggs should be on the team/ I wan't off the team" phase but then I remembered that Iceman wouldn't have become this annoying character if previous writers allowed him to grow up.


that's right. I hope the next writer treats Bobby with some respect!

We should be seeing something like an AOA Iceman by now!

[jcp011c]

Joe Kelly and Steven Seagel (sp?).

I'm a fan of all things Claremont but his last two runs didn't have quite as much spark as the above's short run. I would have loved if they had managed to work out a deal with the editors and continue on with their long-term plans.

[Victor]

X-cuitioners Song and Phalanx Covenent. At the time I didn't think they were great, but now I look back and compared to recent crap they were amazing....Oh wait that was more then ten years ago.

The Fantomax and Weapon 13 arc was CRAP. I actually think I burned those comics to save future generations.

And Jeans death was horrible!!! Let her go out in a cool way. Plus the whole Xorn is Erik crap. C'mon! Wolverine killing Mags. Unless Erik wanted Logan to kill him it would never happen!

"Here Comes Tommarow" wasn't the greatest, but I still liked it and the art was the best in years.

Of course I enjoyed having Creed in the mansion. That was great! And I have hope for the future.

[punisher_ryu]

I'm not the biggest fan of Morrison's run, but it is an essential read.

agreed, it was crap(crap characterization, changed the x-men for the worst), but it is essential.

[punisher_ryu]

I would disagree with you totally here.

For starters, Austen didn't write Poptopia, Casey did.

And Morrison and Austen were NOTHING alike. Morrison was a visionary (although you didn't have to necessarly LIKE his vision) who introduced some good ideas and some less good ideas, but all interesting and fresh nonetheless.

Austen was a hack who only had one good thing going for him, which was the Sammy/Juggernaut relationship. He had some seeds of ideas, but spectacularly failed to turn them into anything remotely resembling entertainment.

less good=really bad

i would say morrison was a hack as well. though his stuff might have been interesting, it doesn't belong in canon. it belongs in the "what if..." category.

[punisher_ryu]

too much soap opera if you ask me. plus he almost totally ruined Iceman

and it still shows in iceman.

[UniqueFrequency]

The Fantomax and Weapon 13 arc was CRAP. I actually think I burned those comics to save future generations.


as much as i quite enjoyed Morrison's run, i really hated Fantomex too. hardly an interesting character

[dotdotdot]

less good=really bad

i would say morrison was a hack as well. though his stuff might have been interesting, it doesn't belong in canon. it belongs in the "what if..." category.

afraid of change - the boarder.

[dotdotdot]

X-cuitioners Song and Phalanx Covenent. At the time I didn't think they were great, but now I look back and compared to recent crap they were amazing....Oh wait that was more then ten years ago.

The Fantomax and Weapon 13 arc was CRAP. I actually think I burned those comics to save future generations.

And Jeans death was horrible!!! Let her go out in a cool way. Plus the whole Xorn is Erik crap. C'mon! Wolverine killing Mags. Unless Erik wanted Logan to kill him it would never happen!

"Here Comes Tommarow" wasn't the greatest, but I still liked it and the art was the best in years.

Of course I enjoyed having Creed in the mansion. That was great! And I have hope for the future.

erik did want him to, he pretty much asked.

[Sentinel K]

agreed, it was crap(crap characterization, changed the x-men for the worst), but it is essential.

He did not change it for the worse. He gave X-Men a shot of Adrenalin in the heart, which it sorely needed.

Crap characterization? Give me an example. I thought he did a bang-up job.

[madthinker]

read all the back up stories in classic x...those are sweet.

damn...thats more than ten years though...my bad

[punisher_ryu]

afraid of change - the boarder.

there is a difference between good change and bad change.

[punisher_ryu]

He did not change it for the worse. He gave X-Men a shot of Adrenalin in the heart, which it sorely needed.

Crap characterization? Give me an example. I thought he did a bang-up job.

scott would be the best example. his character was tarnished b/c of morrison. most fans hate him these days. though i could guess that would be how scott or anyone would react after apoc, the character is now unrecognizable. and empty shell of the man he used to be. not even a man, but emma's lapdog.

then their was jean. though maybe not out of character, he killed her......again. what a retard.

even emma. who he seemed to be a fanboy about. he made her into.......well kal says it best. homewrecker, plastic.....(fill it in), and she also has a stripper past.

i can understand that morrison was trying to make them seem more human. but why go so far. a lot of morrisons run just simply does not belong in canon.

and yes, it did needed adrenaline. but he went the totally wrong way about it.

i guess i could give him credit for some good changes, but thoughs have probably been retconned by now.

just b/c its interesting, doesn't mean it was a good direction.

[Hi-Fi]

scott would be the best example. his character was tarnished b/c of morrison. most fans hate him these days. though i could guess that would be how scott or anyone would react after apoc, the character is now unrecognizable. and empty shell of the man he used to be. not even a man, but emma's lapdog.

then their was jean. though maybe not out of character, he killed her......again. what a retard.

even emma. who he seemed to be a fanboy about. he made her into.......well kal says it best. homewrecker, plastic.....(fill it in), and she also has a stripper past.

i can understand that morrison was trying to make them seem more human. but why go so far. a lot of morrisons run just simply does not belong in canon.

and yes, it did needed adrenaline. but he went the totally wrong way about it.

i guess i could give him credit for some good changes, but thoughs have probably been retconned by now.

just b/c its interesting, doesn't mean it was a good direction.

Are you frickin' kidding?? Morrison wrote the best Jean ever. Great interactions. Great sci-fi action.

[david r]

He did not change it for the worse. He gave X-Men a shot of Adrenalin in the heart, which it sorely needed.

Crap characterization? Give me an example. I thought he did a bang-up job.

And I felt Morrison's characterizations were pretty much "out there". Grant wrote them the way he always writes the super-heroes. Way too much irony. Too much humor. Too many weird, esoteric ideas thrown in. With characters who had never spoken like that until Mr. Morrison hit the scene.

If you read the X-Men books the five years BEFORE morrison's run, then head into Morrison's X-run, believe me, you notice a difference. The characters did act different. That isn't to say that it was WORSE than before. But there was definitely a difference in style. It's inevitable with a new writer.

[punisher_ryu]

Are you frickin' kidding?? Morrison wrote the best Jean ever. Great interactions. Great sci-fi action.

that maybe so. but he still killed her, what's the point.

[punisher_ryu]

And I felt Morrison's characterizations were pretty much "out there". Grant wrote them the way he always writes the super-heroes. Way too much irony. Too much humor. Too many weird, esoteric ideas thrown in. With characters who had never spoken like that until Mr. Morrison hit the scene.

If you read the X-Men books the five years BEFORE morrison's run, then head into Morrison's X-run, believe me, you notice a difference. The characters did act different. That isn't to say that it was WORSE than before. But there was definitely a difference in style. It's inevitable with a new writer.

a lot of what he did was bad for the characters. again, just b/c its interersting, doesn't mean it was good for the characters or 616. but, w/e. to each his own.

[fishtaco]

that maybe so. but he still killed her, what's the point.True, but he still wrote a great Jean before he killed her. :)

[punisher_ryu]

True, but he still wrote a great Jean before he killed her. :)

who's denying it?

although, i didn't like the direction he was taking her. the phoenix is no good for any character. it made for a nice story once, but now its just annoying.

p.s.

DEATH TO ALL SMILIES!!!!

[fishtaco]

although, i didn't like the direction he was taking her. the phoenix is no good for any character. it made for a nice story once, but now its just annoying.I can definitely see where you're coming from, and the story you are reffering to is the DPS, yes? In any case, I think that the Phoenix can be good forever, but only if it's coherent and consistent. Unfortunately, it has not turned out that way...

[punisher_ryu]

I can definitely see where you're coming from, and the story you are reffering to is the DPS, yes? In any case, I think that the Phoenix can be good forever, but only if it's coherent and consistent. Unfortunately, it has not turned out that way...

if they do bring jean back, i hope the phoenix completely moves on to rachael. for some reason, writers don't kill her off(but she does tend to fade out of existance).

[fishtaco]

if they do bring jean back, i hope the phoenix completely moves on to rachael. for some reason, writers don't kill her off(but she does tend to fade out of existance).I hope Jean doesn't come back, and the Force moves on to Rachel for good. :p

[punisher_ryu]

I hope Jean doesn't come back, and the Force moves on to Rachel for good. :p

hmmm, except for the jean never comin' back, i like it. :p


p.s.

again

DEATH TO ALL SMILIES!!!!

[FieryBalrog]

I hope Jean doesn't come back, and the Force moves on to Rachel for good. :p
:mad: no!

fifth commandment people! fifth commandment!

[d newton]

fifth commandment people! fifth commandment!
We're talking about a fictional character here so why should the "fifth commandment" be used? :confused:

[Faded]

And I felt Morrison's characterizations were pretty much "out there". Grant wrote them the way he always writes the super-heroes. Way too much irony. Too much humor. Too many weird, esoteric ideas thrown in. With characters who had never spoken like that until Mr. Morrison hit the scene.

If you read the X-Men books the five years BEFORE morrison's run, then head into Morrison's X-run, believe me, you notice a difference. The characters did act different. That isn't to say that it was WORSE than before. But there was definitely a difference in style. It's inevitable with a new writer.

There can never be too much humor. ;) I think its great when writers bring in new styles when they hop onboard.

[fishtaco]

There can never be too much humor. ;) I think its great when writers bring in new styles when they hop onboard.That may be so, but sometimes humor can be inappropriate. For example, Gambit's little remark about performing particular bodily functions while in his Horseman tomb/costume thing. :)

[Faded]

That may be so, but sometimes humor can be inappropriate. For example, Gambit's little remark about performing particular bodily functions while in his Horseman tomb/costume thing. :)

While I don't remember this particular remark (overall, the current X-Men arc is pretty forgettable), there's the humor that just isn't too humorus. ;)

[The Foreigner]

I loved Morrison's run.

Great characters, twisting storylines, and some just plain cool moments. Gotta love the way the whole run starts (Cyclops' "I think you can stop now" to Wolverine, busy hacking away at an already destroyed Sentinel).

And the fight with Magneto in #150 is both spectacular and brutal.

I also personally loved "Here Comes Tomorrow," and the way Sublime tied the whole series together.