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chanzero
03-21-2006, 10:28 AM
"last minute look", updated with 2 new preview pages
http://www.popcultureshock.com/reviews.php?id=5435
Cayman
03-21-2006, 10:40 AM
"Is that Alpha Flight?"
Well, duh, Wolverine. You're only a former member!
Looks good though.
Cay
Jake V
03-21-2006, 10:43 AM
Wolverine with his head in his hands is a cool image. And hey, there's a shot of Alpha Flight's fight with the Collective.
Deodato's art is looking way better than I thought it would.
Cayman
03-21-2006, 10:47 AM
Wolverine with his head in his hands is a cool image. And hey, there's a shot of Alpha Flight's fight with the Collective.
Deodato's art is looking way better than I thought it would.
But how can we whine now about the fight being off camera?
Cay
Jake V
03-21-2006, 10:49 AM
But how can we whine now about the fight being off camera?
Cay
The fight's on videotape! Just as bad as a flashback! I hate nontraditional storytelling methods!!
Joe Zool
03-21-2006, 10:59 AM
"Is that Alpha Flight?"
Well, duh, Wolverine. You're only a former member!
Looks good though.
Cay
Heh, I had the same reaction.
dingo
03-21-2006, 11:09 AM
The fight's on videotape! Just as bad as a flashback! I hate nontraditional storytelling methods!!
Dude, it is a flashback. Sheesh. Not like Memento where the whole thing is backwards.
NickThompson
03-21-2006, 11:40 AM
Looks good.
I must admit, I laughed at Puck's legs sticking out of the snow :)
BlackKnight
03-21-2006, 12:23 PM
Well once again the art looks really good. And hey it looks like the NA team is actually in the book this time.
Wow one whole panel of AF fighting, thanks bendis.. *sense the sarcasm*
moon knight
03-21-2006, 12:27 PM
this looks like it will be very good. i am really liking Deodato's art
"Is that Alpha Flight?"
Well, duh, Wolverine. You're only a former member!
Looks good though.
Cay
Maybe the implication there was that Alpha was so beat up they weren't recognizable anymore. Though judging from the picutre they obviously were.
Will.S
03-21-2006, 01:32 PM
Looking good, can't wait for them to "UNLEASH THE FURY!" with Sentry. He's their ace in the whole without the S.H.I.E.L.D. agent backups it seems.
Ivan Isaacs
03-21-2006, 01:34 PM
I loved that issue. For those who are interested - I posted a review in the Spoiler-thread. :)
Red State Cap
03-21-2006, 02:03 PM
But how can we whine now about the fight being off camera?
Cay
Uh, because there is 1 whole panel of the "fight?"
The art however looks excellent, and the cover is really good. Have to see if anything happens inside.
RSC
Keith_Martineau
03-21-2006, 02:42 PM
You know, if the entire point of this arc is for the AVENGERS to fight the Korvlective, then I'm pretty much fine with them limiting the things fight with Alpha Flight to 1 panel.
Cayman
03-21-2006, 02:57 PM
Looks good.
I must admit, I laughed at Puck's legs sticking out of the snow :)
That was kind of funny, in a tragic kind of way.
Cay
ChildOfTheDarkholde
03-21-2006, 03:00 PM
Looking good, can't wait for them to "UNLEASH THE FURY!" with Sentry. He's their ace in the whole without the S.H.I.E.L.D. agent backups it seems.
Ii wouldn't discount Warbird, especially after seeing certain spoilerific scans that show SPOILERS!!!!
Carol being Binaryed up after coming in contact with the Collective
END SPOILERS!!!
and now that she has a solo book, a good showing in this arc will help that book's sales.
Anthony
03-21-2006, 04:24 PM
showing in this arc will help that book's sales.
I think that's the point of having her in this arc. Creates a nice buzz. Wish they did this a bit more often with some other people.
Will.S
03-21-2006, 05:23 PM
Ii wouldn't discount Warbird, especially after seeing certain spoilerific scans that show SPOILERS!!!!
Carol being Binaryed up after coming in contact with the Collective
END SPOILERS!!!
and now that she has a solo book, a good showing in this arc will help that book's sales.
Yeah, there's her too so I think the Avengers are good so far in power.
Tom Brevoort also mentioned the Collective's name as Michael during the Avengersforever.org interview, although I have doubts wethere it really is the reincarnation of Korvac but if it is, it's still cool.
StoneGold
03-21-2006, 06:56 PM
I took the Alpha Flight comment more at being shocked at how badly they got their asses handed to them. You could have written it "Oh my god, is that my former team, Alpha Flight? I can't believe they're getting the crap kicked out of them!" But that's a little wordy.
I guess if you just read the balloon and not actually look at the arc, it comes across a little sterile, but the look on Logan's face, and the next panel with his face in his hands, changes the meaning of what was said enough.
The Purple Skull
03-21-2006, 08:10 PM
I'm loved Deodato's pencils, and now I love his work with colors. I think he's actually a good fit for this book. Can't wait to buy it tomorrow. The Collective is one bad dude.
Haunt
03-21-2006, 08:32 PM
since when is Michael Korvac a mutant or a receptacle for lost mutant powers?
malephoenix
03-21-2006, 09:34 PM
I took the Alpha Flight comment more at being shocked at how badly they got their asses handed to them. You could have written it "Oh my god, is that my former team, Alpha Flight? I can't believe they're getting the crap kicked out of them!" But that's a little wordy.
I guess if you just read the balloon and not actually look at the arc, it comes across a little sterile, but the look on Logan's face, and the next panel with his face in his hands, changes the meaning of what was said enough.
Well said.
StoneGold
03-21-2006, 10:17 PM
since when is Michael Korvac a mutant or a receptacle for lost mutant powers?
Eh, since when was Korvac a mini-god, until they made him one? Keep in mind, originally he didn't have a penis.
http://www.leaderslair.com/marvelvillains/Korvac.gif
The lower version. See, computer for legs, no penis.
Will.S
03-21-2006, 10:22 PM
Eh, since when was Korvac a mini-god, until they made him one? Keep in mind, originally he didn't have a penis.
http://www.leaderslair.com/marvelvillains/Korvac.gif
The lower version. See, computer for legs, no penis.
I always laugh at that design for some reason, the dude lives in a computer box!
He basically has to come out of there to look cool and badass.
Red State Cap
03-22-2006, 01:53 AM
You know, if the entire point of this arc is for the AVENGERS to fight the Korvlective, then I'm pretty much fine with them limiting the things fight with Alpha Flight to 1 panel.
Then wouldn't you also agree that the New AVENGERS should have, you know, appeared in New AVENGERS #16?
RSC
Keith_Martineau
03-22-2006, 07:31 AM
Iron Man appeared in 16. It was a prologue issue to introduce this threat and establish it's power.
It succeeded.
After the initial OWNING of AF, I'm fine with only seeing one more panel of their encounter in the main arc.
BlackKnight
03-22-2006, 08:13 AM
Iron Man appeared in 16. It was a prologue issue to introduce this threat and establish it's power.
It succeeded.
After the initial OWNING of AF, I'm fine with only seeing one more panel of their encounter in the main arc.
Lets get it straight Tony Stark appeared, on a video screen, and that was it. Give me a break.
Hombre
03-22-2006, 09:11 AM
Lets get it straight Tony Stark appeared, on a video screen, and that was it. Give me a break.
I think the problem is not so much in the story, typical Bendis fare, but the cover. Once upon a time this sort of stuff was unthinkable, and even now, imagine a kid getting a comic like this, enticed by the dynamic and promising cover shot and...? I wouldn't go as far as talking about truth in advertising but still...
BlackKnight
03-22-2006, 09:16 AM
I think the problem is not so much in the story, typical Bendis fare, but the cover. Once upon a time this sort of stuff was unthinkable, and even now, imagine a kid getting a comic like this, enticed by the dynamic and promising cover shot and...? I wouldn't go as far as talking about truth in advertising but still...
Oh I agree with you on this. The cover is the typical bait and switch that all comic companies are pulling these days.
It just makes it that much worse that you get one page of Tony Stark and that is it in a whole issue of NA.
Haunt
03-22-2006, 09:56 AM
that's why i always flip through before purchasing. coincidentally, i haven't yet found any reason to buy New Avengers; through this practice.
NickThompson
03-22-2006, 11:54 AM
Then wouldn't you also agree that the New AVENGERS should have, you know, appeared in New AVENGERS #16?
RSC
I didn't mind when Geoff Johns pretty much didn't have Flash in issues of Flash, I didn't mind when Ed Brubaker pretty much didn't have Cap in issues of Captain America, I don't mind when Bendis pretty much didn't have the NA in issues of New Avengers :)
Then wouldn't you also agree that the New AVENGERS should have, you know, appeared in New AVENGERS #16?
RSC
I'll wager that when you read the collective story arc as a whole, it'll actually work better to not have the Avengers show up until after the threat has been established. If you threw a random scene with them in it in the first issue just to show what they are doing at that particular moment, I think it might have actually adversely effected the build up and tension that was slowly building up.
Keith_Martineau
03-22-2006, 12:02 PM
Lets get it straight Tony Stark appeared, on a video screen, and that was it. Give me a break.
Yer kidding right?
Jake V
03-22-2006, 12:08 PM
Yer kidding right?
About that, I don't think he was, but given that the entire issue's story was told from the perspective of SHIELD (with the exception of the birth of the collective), it makes sense that he appeared on a video screen.
Will.S
03-22-2006, 12:13 PM
You know, I was mad about that whole thing like...a month ago but here we have a new issue coming out today with the Avengers confronting the Collective so it's no big deal anymore and now I can read both issues with an established intro.
Keith_Martineau
03-22-2006, 12:18 PM
You know, I was mad about that whole thing like...a month ago but here we have a new issue coming out today with the Avengers confronting the Collective so it's no big deal anymore and now I can read both issues with an established intro.
Just the way God intended it.
http://biblescripture.net/Touch.jpeg
BlackKnight
03-22-2006, 12:19 PM
Yer kidding right?
and you kidding that you actually count that as an appearance by the NA team right?
BlackKnight
03-22-2006, 12:20 PM
About that, I don't think he was, but given that the entire issue's story was told from the perspective of SHIELD (with the exception of the birth of the collective), it makes sense that he appeared on a video screen.
Can I ask, is the comic called shield, nope is it called NA, yep, yet a whole issue went by without the team, like it or hate it. It simple was that.
Tony Starkz
03-22-2006, 12:26 PM
17 looked good.
Keith_Martineau
03-22-2006, 02:35 PM
and you kidding that you actually count that as an appearance by the NA team right?
No, merely that it's an appearance by a member of the Avengers.
Which it was.
And I don't mean to be antagonistic, merely devil's advocate---but since when is it a hard fast rule that there cannot be one issue of a comic where the title character(s) does not appear? Especially if the story that IS told is infact part or a major story that DOES involve the title characters, as this one is?
This can't possibly be the only issue in the history of super hero comics where this has occured.
Loestal
03-22-2006, 03:10 PM
No, merely that it's an appearance by a member of the Avengers.
Which it was.
And I don't mean to be antagonistic, merely devil's advocate---but since when is it a hard fast rule that there cannot be one issue of a comic where the title character(s) does not appear? Especially if the story that IS told is infact part or a major story that DOES involve the title characters, as this one is?
This can't possibly be the only issue in the history of super hero comics where this has occured.
I agree. Just because it didn't have hardly an Avenger doesn't mean anything. It was a set up to the current story arc. If NO AVENGER AT ALL is required to set up the story...then so be it. Sounds like anyone who complains about this is just looking for something to complain about.
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