Mutants or Inhumans?? [spoilers possible]

[Ogrebear]

Hi

In the Son of M series Quicksliver is using the Inhumans Terrigen Mists to 'give mutants their powers back' (preview of latest issue: here - at bottom of page (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0603/17/firsts.htm) - however as I under stood it the Terrigen Mists didn't work like that?

I belived the Mists created Mutates - normal people who gain powers (like Peter Parker or the FF) not sparked the X-Gene? Plus in the case of the ex-mutants who took it has not their X-Gene gone completly? Would taking the mists recreate it with their same powers?

Or is this just a tempory thing and its all genna go wrong for Purge, Unus and co?

[Dizzy D]

Quicksilver as an Inhuman has different powers than Quicksilver the mutant. I assume it works the same for all the other newly Inhumanized ex-mutants.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Yup, you're right. They're 'mutates' now, twisted by the terrigen mists.

Persoinally think this is sodding stupid story, but it has happened.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

The ex mutants who have used the terrigen mists have powers that backfire. Mutants/Humans arent meant to use the Terrigen mists. Luna, even as a HALF inhuman/half mutant isnt allowed to use the mists, but she did too.

Pietro's just messing everything up.

[Tommy]

Persoinally think this is sodding stupid story, but it has happened.
Actually I find it an extremely logical story. Many ex-mutants don't like being "ex." There are thousands of things lying around the MU that grant superpowers, so why wouldn't someone pick up the nearest plot device to empower everyone?

[riotgear]

It's interesting that Editorial said that the genetic link to mutation is gone, yet here they get abilities based on what their original mutations were? How does that work?

[zonzorp]

It's interesting that Editorial said that the genetic link to mutation is gone, yet here they get abilities based on what their original mutations were? How does that work?
You shouldn't try to apply logic to the dictates of editorial.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

It's interesting that Editorial said that the genetic link to mutation is gone, yet here they get abilities based on what their original mutations were? How does that work?
:p Don't ask.

This whole "no more mutants" thing should have been more cohesive. First it was stated that the x-genes were just GONE. Then in Gen M, it shows that some mutants only lost parts of their mutations. Some are still physically mutated, but have no powers. Some people like Nocturne lost aspects of their powers(Hex Bolts) and some like Black Tom, lost his secondary mutation but retain their original.

Its all a mess.

[Kal]

It's interesting that Editorial said that the genetic link to mutation is gone, yet here they get abilities based on what their original mutations were? How does that work?

I was thinking the same thing; the part of the human gene that determines mutation was completely wiped out by the Wanda woogie yet the terrigen mists restore abilities similar to their original mutations? What a load of crap! :rolleyes:

[yeoman]

I was thinking the same thing; the part of the human gene that determines mutation was completely wiped out by the Wanda woogie yet the terrigen mists restore abilities similar to their original mutations? What a load of crap! :rolleyes:

Well, it's been suggested that some mutations are influenced by the mutants personality. If the Terrigin mists have anything similar, or, perhaps a component based upon what tha user expects, consciously or otherwise, it could be possible to gain something similar.

Which could make sense for Pietro gaining time travel powers instead of true super speed. He's thinking of the speed force after learning about it in JLA/Avengers. :)

[Effect]

When I first read House of M I thought this whole losing of mutant powers would be interesting but it seems like it's caused nothing but problems, gotten rid of characters people liked, etc. Perhaps they should just undo it. I mean I don't see how they could say there were to many mutants. Weren't a lot killed when Genosha was attacked and destoryed? If so wasn't that a way of cutting down on the number of mutants. After all it's not like they were using all the of named mutants created before that or this House of M event were they?

[riotgear]

I think this is a first... a triple post.

[riotgear]

Well, it's been suggested that some mutations are influenced by the mutants personality. If the Terrigin mists have anything similar, or, perhaps a component based upon what tha user expects, consciously or otherwise, it could be possible to gain something similar.


But they established in Jenkins' Inhumans that Terrigen doesn't work that way. Remember the dude (it's been a while since I've read it, so bear with me) who wanted to be a warrior like his father? What happened? It didn't work out the way he wanted at all. Which they are establishing here as well, of a sorts, with Wicked's spirits turning against her and so on. But it doesn't seem to work the way you are thinking/hoping.

Oh, and zonzorp, I wasn't applying logic to editorial... I was just pointing out the flaw in their's. :rolleyes:

[riotgear]

sorry, double post.

[riotgear]

When I first read House of M I thought this whole losing of mutant powers would be interesting but it seems like it's caused nothing but problems, gotten rid of characters people liked, etc. Perhaps they should just undo it. I mean I don't see how they could say there were to many mutants. Weren't a lot killed when Genosha was attacked and destoryed? If so wasn't that a way of cutting down on the number of mutants. After all it's not like they were using all the of named mutants created before that or this House of M event were they?

I agree. Wanda should do one more woogie... and start things over from 1992, like I've been saying. It would get rid of the Spider-clones, the Crossing, everything. I would even restart the series from that point. New Warriors, Darkhawk, Deathlok, Sleepwalker, Ghost Rider, etc. The potential is boggling.

[zonzorp]

I agree. Wanda should do one more woogie... and start things over from 1992, like I've been saying. It would get rid of the Spider-clones, the Crossing, everything. I would even restart the series from that point. New Warriors, Darkhawk, Deathlok, Sleepwalker, Ghost Rider, etc. The potential is boggling.
I'll sign on for this if we can make it 1991 instead.

[Will.S]

I asked the same question about the Terrigen mists too but the way David Hine said certain things about Quicksilver, I don't think the small doses of the gas will be permanent since even Pietro has to constantly expose himself to it.

[patch]

When I first read House of M I thought this whole losing of mutant powers would be interesting but it seems like it's caused nothing but problems, gotten rid of characters people liked, etc. Perhaps they should just undo it. I mean I don't see how they could say there were to many mutants. Weren't a lot killed when Genosha was attacked and destoryed? If so wasn't that a way of cutting down on the number of mutants. After all it's not like they were using all the of named mutants created before that or this House of M event were they?

im with you on this...i tried to give the whole "no more mutants" thing a chance but it is turning into a big cluster-f where the all good and interesting progress made with the overiding mutant story in the MU has been reveresed and now im disappointed we may never get to fully explore a mutant culture that was just starting to develop. it seems like its just gonna degenerate into another decade of "what are we gonna do about the mutant problem?" type storylines and thats depressing. :(

so now im waiting till editorial comes back to thier senses and some mutant super-villian gets thier hands on a cosmic cube or something ... repowers the mutants and we can forget the whole "no more mutants" ever happened.

one of the only good things to come out of HoM is O*N*E & val cooper and the new tension it brings to the sentinel program that has been missing for awhile

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Actually I find it an extremely logical story. Many ex-mutants don't like being "ex." There are thousands of things lying around the MU that grant superpowers, so why wouldn't someone pick up the nearest plot device to empower everyone?

I've just hated the concept of the Terrigen Mists since the first time I encountered the Inhumans. It's one of those silver age concepts that just sounds 'silly' in a modern context. The whole Inhumans seem equally so when placed in such a usually (trying to be) serious situation as the X-Books.

This story just jarrs with me.

[Faded]

I'll sign on for this if we can make it 1991 instead.

Why 1991?

....

[Doom Hammer]

I've just hated the concept of the Terrigen Mists since the first time I encountered the Inhumans. It's one of those silver age concepts that just sounds 'silly' in a modern context. The whole Inhumans seem equally so when placed in such a usually (trying to be) serious situation as the X-Books.

This story just jarrs with me.

Have you read Jenkins' and Lee's Inhumans mini? It explains the Inhumans' culture pretty thoroughly. Nothing silly about it, at least no more so than the whole concept of eye-beams and metal claws.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Have you read Jenkins' and Lee's Inhumans mini? It explains the Inhumans' culture pretty thoroughly. Nothing silly about it, at least no more so than the whole concept of eye-beams and metal claws.

No.

Was that the Marvel Knights one from the late 90s? Always meant to pick that up and give them another go, but I was starting University then, and had no regular comic store.

[Doom Hammer]

No.

Was that the Marvel Knights one from the late 90s? Always meant to pick that up and give them another go, but I was starting University then, and had no regular comic store.


Ooh, you should definitely pick up the trade. It's very cool.

The Inhumans are shown as a foreign culture with their own customs, codes, and rites of passage. Plus, there's plenty of character examination, each issue is pretty much told from a different point of view, and there's a very cool comparison of Black Bolt to Winston Churchill.

The Terrigen Mists are given a special meaning. They're more than goofy physiolgy-altering plot devices, they're the method by which the Inhumans conform.

Also, losta ass-kickery to go along with all that crap. :p

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Ooh, you should definitely pick up the trade. It's very cool.

The Inhumans are shown as a foreign culture with their own customs, codes, and rites of passage. Plus, there's plenty of character examination, each issue is pretty much told from a different point of view, and there's a very cool comparison of Black Bolt to Winston Churchill.

The Terrigen Mists are given a special meaning. They're more than goofy physiolgy-altering plot devices, they're the method by which the Inhumans conform.

Also, losta ass-kickery to go along with all that crap. :p

Is that still available as a trade?

[Doom Hammer]

Is that still available as a trade?

I think it's out of print (just because it's several years old, how does that work?), but I'm sure you can find it somwhere. It's not THAT old, or obscure. It won an Eisner or two, didn't it?

[Will.S]

I think it's out of print (just because it's several years old, how does that work?), but I'm sure you can find it somwhere. It's not THAT old, or obscure. It won an Eisner or two, didn't it?
I really wish Marvel kept some TPB's in print.

Now would be a perfect time to keep the Inhumans one out given their tie-ins with Son of M and Illuminati/Civil War. Same for the Truth series ever since Eli Bradley was revealed to be Patriot in Young Avengers. I still plan on getting the Inhumans trade but I also really liked Sean McKeever's Tsunami Inhumans book which seemed to have carried well from Paul's stuff perfectly.

[Twigglet]

The Inhumans are a great concept, that mini is a great book.

I have to say Son Of M is one of the best books being released right now. It's up there with X-factor and AXM.