X-Men Australian Team Pics

[fireball87o]

Hey er'body, this is an aussie picture post!
cause that's (one of) my favorite line ups! post any pictures of the team or or any member of it you like.

i'm starting the thread in seach of a picture or a scan of the 80s x-men subscription ads that came out in the 80s around the holidays?
It was the Australian team wearing santa hats and placed around the clip-out subscription info. ANY HELP?

here's some shots to make your mouth water

[fireball87o]

one more aussie group panel and a great x-men across the ages layout!!
check 'em out :D

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5237/0327sd.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0327sd.jpg)

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6373/poster1487314pp.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=poster1487314pp.jpg)

[fishtaco]

delete post.

[Affinity]

Aww, I thought that gigantic X-Men picture was finally a full sized one! I've been searching forever. Sharpening in Photoshop wouldn't work. :(

Can I get some Issue Numbers for the Outback team? I'd love to scan some pics. Was this the same time as the Wilderness Era?

[fishtaco]

Can I get some Issue Numbers for the Outback team? I'd love to scan some pics. Was this the same time as the Wilderness Era?The Outback Era: UXM 229-251, Annual 12-13

Wilderness Era: UXM 251-272, Annual 14-15.

Claremont said that he intended for the OUtback era to be longer. Jim Lee had different notions, though.

[fishtaco]

Can I get some Issue Numbers for the Outback team? I'd love to scan some pics. Was this the same time as the Wilderness Era?The Outback Era: UXM 229-251, Annual 12-13

Wilderness Era: UXM 251-272, Annual 14-15.

Claremont said that he intended for the OUtback era to be longer. Jim Lee had different notions, though.

UXM 251-253 was the transfer

[fishtaco]

Can I get some Issue Numbers for the Outback team? I'd love to scan some pics. Was this the same time as the Wilderness Era?The Outback Era: UXM 229-251, Annual 12-13

Wilderness Era: UXM 251-272, Annual 14-15.

Claremont said that he intended for the OUtback era to be longer. Jim Lee had different notions, though.

UXM 251-253 was the transfer

[DDM]

The Outback Era: UXM 229-251, Annual 12-13

Wilderness Era: UXM 251-272, Annual 14-15.

Claremont said that he intended for the OUtback era to be longer. Jim Lee had different notions, though.

UXM 251-253 was the transfer

Although the new X-Men--Storm, Havok, Dazzler, Longshot, Psylocke, Wolverine (sans Colossus)--were together as early as Uncanny X-Men #219 when Havok officially joined the team then subsequently Uncanny X-Men Annual #11 fight the powerful Horde by Claremont & Davis. The X-Men fought the Marauders again to save Madelyne Pryor in Uncanny X-Men #220-221. Uncanny X-Men Annual #12-13 involves the Outback team.

[david r]

My general impression was the Australian-era X-Men were meant to be Storm's team. I think Claremont was slowly evolving her character to become another strong leader, even on the same level as Charles Xavier. He intended to mature her to where she could even follow her own path for the mutants, away from Professor X's Dream. (We see more of this maturation in X-Treme X-Men. )

Fishtaco is right that Claremont intended for the Australian era to last much longer. Marvel editorial forced his hand and made him abruptly end the story. I think Australia, Gateway and their town would have played a major role in the book all the way up to #300.

It's interesting how Claremont ended the Outback era. Instead of just simply forming a whole new team back at the Mansion, he gradually "dissassembled" the team. Until finally, there was essentially no X-Men team at all. Just mutants cast adrift across the globe. I remember that time 1989-1991. It was really exciting going to pick up the new issue of Uncanny X-Men each month because I truly had NO IDEA what was going to happen next. The book had a real sense of suspense that is sadly lacking from the current X-books.

[LordAllMighty]

I agree the book had a lot of potentail :)

[dazzler_slave]

I miss the Outback Era! It was my favourite time for the X-Men. Anything seemed possible then. Now things are usually pretty predictable. Plus, the line-up was my all time favorite. Storm, Rogue, Dazzler and Colossus on one team? Awesome!

[DDM]

My general impression was the Australian-era X-Men were meant to be Storm's team. I think Claremont was slowly evolving her character to become another strong leader, even on the same level as Charles Xavier. He intended to mature her to where she could even follow her own path for the mutants, away from Professor X's Dream. (We see more of this maturation in X-Treme X-Men. )

Fishtaco is right that Claremont intended for the Australian era to last much longer. Marvel editorial forced his hand and made him abruptly end the story. I think Australia, Gateway and their town would have played a major role in the book all the way up to #300.

It's interesting how Claremont ended the Outback era. Instead of just simply forming a whole new team back at the Mansion, he gradually "dissassembled" the team. Until finally, there was essentially no X-Men team at all. Just mutants cast adrift across the globe. I remember that time 1989-1991. It was really exciting going to pick up the new issue of Uncanny X-Men each month because I truly had NO IDEA what was going to happen next. The book had a real sense of suspense that is sadly lacking from the current X-books.


All of the X-Men who went through the Siege Perilous--Rogue, Psylocke, Colossus, & Dazzler--were radically changed. Rogue lost her Ms. Marvel psyche, but became vulnerable to telepaths (shown when the Shadow King subverted Rogue in Uncanny X-Men #278), Psylocke became the ultimate woman warrior, betraying herself, to the extent she became an Asian woman, Havok gained control of his plasma powers, but became a Genoshan Magistrate, Colossus & Dazzler seemed to find their hearts desires, but leave their former lives completely behind.

I miss the unpredictability Uncanny X-Men used to possess.

[Tony Starkz]

Yea,the Outback team was my fav X-Men team of all time.Usually when I buy Uncanny back issues,I try to complete that entire run.

Havok,Storm,Wolvie,Colossus,Longshot,Dazzler,Rogue ,and Psylocke....pure gold!

[Mind Shadow]

I couldn't agree more. ;)
And Storm led the team too! ^_^

[fishtaco]

It sucks so bad how the X-Men are all back at the Xavier Institute. It's ridiculous. All that character development, plot development, and development out the window. The X-Men are back at square one. How are the X-Men supposed to achieve their dream if they all hide in their little mansion? The Xavier Institute should be destroyed and never visited again. The X-Men need to start taking their fight to their enemies, and start being proactive about their dream.

The X-Men were scattered and lost across the globe, hanging on to their survival by a thread, all the while the Shadow King was taking over the world, peace by peace. Xavier was going to die, and Magneto, Gateway, and Storm were going to take over as the leaders. Mutants would have been used as commodities, Robert Kelly would have been running for president, with the Shadow King pulling his strings in order to ignite a full-scale war between mutants and humans, bringing the status quo dangerously close to the Days of Future Past, all while poor Rachel is away as a member of Excalibur. Wolverine would have been killed, and he would have came back as the Hand's master assassin. The X-Men were scattered all over the world. A diaspora. Various allies were hiding on Muir Island, but the Shadow King corrupted them from the inside. The Shadow King was manipulating Fenris into recruiting new Reavers. X-Factor was thought dead, while they were really fighting Apocalypse and learning the identities of The Twelve. The Wild Boys would have started killing off the Inner Circle. The New Mutants wandered, mentorless, getting into all sorts of trouble. Genoshans capturing mutants all over the world, Gambit slowly destroying the X-Men from the inside...

All out the window. It all had to be brought back to square one. Back to the boring, basics. The X-Men at the mansion, under the tutelage of Xavier, with Scott and Jean together, with Magneto as a villain. All back to square one. All progression thrown out the window. The X-Men have been boring and practicly the same thing ever since. Too predictable.

Sigh.

[Steven F.]

Just throwing my two cents in...Yes, the Aussie team was my fav era EVER with X-Men.

I actually pretty much include Maddie as part of the team back then, and sort of Jubilee and Gateway.

[dazzler_slave]

Just throwing my two cents in...Yes, the Aussie team was my fav era EVER with X-Men.

I actually pretty much include Maddie as part of the team back then, and sort of Jubilee and Gateway.
I agree completely. Especially Maddie and Gateway. I miss Gateway! I want him to come back!

[fireball87o]

Yea,the Outback team was my fav X-Men team of all time.Usually when I buy Uncanny back issues,I try to complete that entire run.

Havok,Storm,Wolvie,Colossus,Longshot,Dazzler,Rogue ,and Psylocke....pure gold!

same here...if i'm going for back issues (usually during sale season) i'll be hunting for the Aussie Days. I was so pumped when I got nearly the entire run on e-bay a few years ago!

The line-up was enough to keep me buying. You've got the australian years with Havok, Dazzler, Colossus, Longshot, Wolverine, Madelyne Pryor, Psylocke, Rogue, Storm, and Jubilee (at the end)...throw in a defacto Gateway and there's an awesome team.

Top it off with action, adventure, and great stories and you've got gold. those were the days

[david r]

It sucks so bad how the X-Men are all back at the Xavier Institute. It's ridiculous. All that character development, plot development, and development out the window. The X-Men are back at square one. How are the X-Men supposed to achieve their dream if they all hide in their little mansion? The Xavier Institute should be destroyed and never visited again. The X-Men need to start taking their fight to their enemies, and start being proactive about their dream.

The X-Men were scattered and lost across the globe, hanging on to their survival by a thread, all the while the Shadow King was taking over the world, peace by peace. Xavier was going to die, and Magneto, Gateway, and Storm were going to take over as the leaders. Mutants would have been used as commodities, Robert Kelly would have been running for president, with the Shadow King pulling his strings in order to ignite a full-scale war between mutants and humans, bringing the status quo dangerously close to the Days of Future Past, all while poor Rachel is away as a member of Excalibur. Wolverine would have been killed, and he would have came back as the Hand's master assassin. The X-Men were scattered all over the world. A diaspora. Various allies were hiding on Muir Island, but the Shadow King corrupted them from the inside. The Shadow King was manipulating Fenris into recruiting new Reavers. X-Factor was thought dead, while they were really fighting Apocalypse and learning the identities of The Twelve. The Wild Boys would have started killing off the Inner Circle. The New Mutants wandered, mentorless, getting into all sorts of trouble. Genoshans capturing mutants all over the world, Gambit slowly destroying the X-Men from the inside...

All out the window. It all had to be brought back to square one. Back to the boring, basics. The X-Men at the mansion, under the tutelage of Xavier, with Scott and Jean together, with Magneto as a villain. All back to square one. All progression thrown out the window. The X-Men have been boring and practicly the same thing ever since. Too predictable.

Sigh.

Marvel said thanks to Chris Claremont for 17 years of spectacular success. Oh, and don't let the door smack you in the ass on your way out either.

Fishtaco's last paragraph sums up Bob Harras' view on the X-Men. It was Harras' decision to scrap the years of work CC had put into X-Men, and bring them back to Square One. He achieved his coup with Jim Lee's help. (Though I think Lee didn't realize Claremont would get the axe.)

Harras has also fired Peter David off Hulk, Scott Lobdell off "Fantastic Four", Mark Waid off "Captain America", Fabian Nicieza off X-Men, Louise Simonson from X-Factor, Joe Casey from "Cable", and so on. Bob Harras is the perfect example of the wrong kind of editor.

If you want to blame anyone for the end of the Australian X-Men, blame editor Bob Harras. :mad:

[fireball87o]

Marvel said thanks to Chris Claremont for 17 years of spectacular success. Oh, and don't let the door smack you in the ass on your way out either.

Fishtaco's last paragraph sums up Bob Harras' view on the X-Men. It was Harras' decision to scrap the years of work CC had put into X-Men, and bring them back to Square One. He achieved his coup with Jim Lee's help. (Though I think Lee didn't realize Claremont would get the axe.)

Harras has also fired Peter David off Hulk, Scott Lobdell off "Fantastic Four", Mark Waid off "Captain America", Fabian Nicieza off X-Men, Louise Simonson from X-Factor, Joe Casey from "Cable", and so on. Bob Harras is the perfect example of the wrong kind of editor.

If you want to blame anyone for the end of the Australian X-Men, blame editor Bob Harras. :mad:

bob harras = flawed judgement

...and xavier needs to die already. let's take this to the next level. wonder whom he would leave his fortune to? cyke??

[TheDarkestHorse]

What trades/essentials are out there featuring this era? At this point I've got enough random original and 'classics' issues from Claremont's run that I'm better off just filling the gaps than buying trades...up UNTIL this era, of which I've only got a couple issues.

[david r]

@Fireball97o, actually Claremont planned to kill off Xavier TWICE. Once in UXM #200, and then in #300. Claremont indeed wanted to "take this to the next level." He felt it was time for the X-Men to "grow up", just like children must adapt when the parents pass away. It was time for the X-Men to adapt with Xavier's passing.

He planned for Magneto and Gateway to replace Xavier.

@TheDarkestHorse, I can't think of any trades for the Australian era. Except the "Inferno" trade. If you wait a while, the Essential X-Men books MAY reach the Australian era. And the back issues are still pretty cheap.

[Hi-Fi]

He planned for Magneto and Gateway to replace Xavier.



I'm glad this awful idea never happened. Xavier is a vital figure in the X-Mythos and Magneto is the bad guy. Simple as that.

[fishtaco]

bob harras = flawed judgement

...and xavier needs to die already. let's take this to the next level. wonder whom he would leave his fortune to? cyke??Not Cyke. Gateway and Magneto. I'm glad this awful idea never happened. Xavier is a vital figure in the X-Mythos and Magneto is the bad guy. Simple as that.You are flat-out dead-wrong wrong. You are looking at the X-Men from their initial standpoint. You are ignoring all development from 1963-1991. Things change. Just because Magneto was the X-Men's first villain doesn't mean he has to stay that way forever. Xavier as the leader of the X-Men=boring. Magneto as a villain=boring. The "X-Mythos" is repetitive, one-dimensional, and predictable with the original status quo in effect for decade upon decade. The idea of Xavier teaching a bunch of grownups in their silly mansion in Westchester is...well, stupid. When they were younger, it worked fine, because it's the right place to start off. But now that the X-Men are all grown up, trained in the use of their powers, and Xavier is even older, all the while extreme threats like the Shadow King, and the Wild Boys, and Fenris, and The Hand, and Lilandra, Genosha, Senator Kelly and the Hellfire Club are running rampant? It's completely stupid. You're taking Stan Lee's original, outdated concept and saying that it's the way things should always be, forever. That's just completely wrong. In order for a comic to develop into a franchise, new ideas are needed. New ideas, and new thoughts that depart from (yet do not neccessarily contradict) the old.

[DDM]

I'm glad this awful idea never happened. Xavier is a vital figure in the X-Mythos and Magneto is the bad guy. Simple as that.

The X-Men were still staying true to Xavier's dream, but they were growing into a more realistic goal rather than his idealistic one. Xavier's dream would still be a backdrop if he had died, making it more important than ever, particularly with the Shadow King's evil & power growing worldwide as a contrast. Just reread Uncanny X-Men #201-275 without Xavier. His dreams still live, although he was in Shi'ar space with the Starjammers.

[Hi-Fi]

You are flat-out dead-wrong wrong. You're taking Stan Lee's original, outdated concept and saying that it's the way things should always be, forever. That's just completely wrong.

It's my opinion, so there's no such thing as right or wrong. It's what I think, not what you think, so just stop.

[fishtaco]

The X-Men were still staying true to Xavier's dream, but they were growing into a more realistic goal rather than his idealistic one. Xavier's dream would still be a backdrop if he had died, making it more important than ever, particularly with the Shadow King's evil & power growing worldwide as a contrast. Just reread Uncanny X-Men #201-275 without Xavier. His dreams still live, although he was in Shi'ar space with the Starjammers.Exactly. It was going somewhere. With Xavier dead, Robert Kelly and the Shadow King rising to power, the status quo was spiraling dangerously downward into the X-Men's deepest fear, that of the Days of Future Past, where the Shadow King reigns triumphant. All the while Rachel is away as a member of Excalibur.It's my opinion, so there's no such thing as right or wrong. It's what I think, not what you think, so just stop.You're not getting off that easily. I'm allowed to argue your opinion, especially since you really are wrong.

[DDM]

What trades/essentials are out there featuring this era? At this point I've got enough random original and 'classics' issues from Claremont's run that I'm better off just filling the gaps than buying trades...up UNTIL this era, of which I've only got a couple issues.

The Fall of the Mutants TPB & Inferno TPB

The Mutant Massacre TPB is the catalyst for the outback X-Men.

[Hi-Fi]

The X-Men were still staying true to Xavier's dream, but they were growing into a more realistic goal rather than his idealistic one. Xavier's dream would still be a backdrop if he had died, making it more important than ever, particularly with the Shadow King's evil & power growing worldwide as a contrast. Just reread Uncanny X-Men #201-275 without Xavier. His dreams still live, although he was in Shi'ar space with the Starjammers.

Bla bla bla...I still think that killing off Xavier and making Magneto the X-Men mentor is stupid. But that's me. Just me.

[fishtaco]

The Fall of the Mutants TPB & Inferno TPB

The Mutant Massacre TPB is the catalyst for the outback X-Men.There's also that Earthfall trade. With the return of the Brood.

[Sentinel K]

Bla bla bla...I still think that killing off Xavier and making Magneto the X-Men mentor is stupid. But that's me. Just me.

I think if Magneto had become head of the school, it probably wouldn't have lasted(just like it didn't anyway). At the end of the day, as Hi-Fi said, Magneto is a 'Villain'. I know he has done good things and has been on the side of the X Men at times, but I think it would have been a mistake to make him a hero permanently. However, we'll never know so there really is no point argueing it.

I do think killing Xavier would have been a good idea though. They need to get out from under his thumb. Gateway though? That would probably have sucked balls, but again we'll never know.

[DDM]

Bla bla bla...I still think that killing off Xavier and making Magneto the X-Men mentor is stupid. But that's me. Just me.

Claremont has been developing for Magneto to take over the X-Men since Uncanny X-Men #150 which came to pass in Uncanny X-Men #200 & The New Mutants #35; however, Magneto's mistake is he tried to pattern himself after Charles Xavier when he is not Charles Xavier. Magneto made this point clear to Rogue in Uncanny X-Men #275 when he killed Zaladane. Yet Magneto would have come back to Xavier's school to lead the X-Men his way along with Storm & Gateway to provide counterpoints to Magneto's direction. Gateway is the spiritual manifestion of Xavier's dream. Whereas, Storm provides a realistic goal for Xavier's dream to Magneto's leadership.

Going back to square one just invites mediocrity & retelling stories already told.

[Hi-Fi]

& retelling stories already told.

Are you sure you're a Claremont fan?

[Hi-Fi]

You're not getting off that easily. I'm allowed to argue your opinion, especially since you really are wrong.

Well, CC plan didn't happen and it wont happen now that he's (thankfully) out of Uncanny. So even though I'm really wrong, I guess I won.

[Novaya Havoc]

Are you sure you're a Claremont fan?

Zing...!! :D

[fishtaco]

I think if Magneto had become head of the school, it probably wouldn't have lasted(just like it didn't anyway). At the end of the day, as Hi-Fi said, Magneto is a 'Villain'. I know he has done good things and has been on the side of the X Men at times, but I think it would have been a mistake to make him a hero permanently. However, we'll never know so there really is no point argueing it.Claremont planned to revert Magneto back to a sem-villain, and following the death of Xavier in #300, he would have had to make a decision about what side of the fence he stood on.

I do think killing Xavier would have been a good idea though. They need to get out from under his thumb. Gateway though? That would probably have sucked balls, but again we'll never know.Gateway would be the most logical (and most unpredictable) choice. DDM pretty much explained why. Well, CC plan didn't happen and it wont happen now that he's (thankfully) out of Uncanny. So even though I'm really wrong, I guess I won.I'm sorry? You "won"? What are we doing? Why are you so close-minded to this idea? This idea has nothing to do with Claremont's current run on Uncanny. You don't seem to know what you're talking about, really.

[Novaya Havoc]

I'm sorry? You "won"? What are we doing? Why are you so close-minded to this idea? This idea has nothing to do with Claremont's current run on Uncanny. You don't seem to know what you're talking about, really.

Well,

I think he's saying (and correct me if I'm wrong) that Claremont's plans didn't occur. And they won't occur. And no matter how awesome you may think they could have been, it just. will. not. happen.

It's like me saying "Gosh! What if Dazzler had been the fifth X-Factor member, as originally intended! She might have carried on with more continuity from her past! She's secretly hunting mutants while saving them! Think of that in context with her career! EeEeeKK!!! :D :D :D"

It's pointless. It didn't happen. Jean Grey came back. Claremont was booted off the title. There's no use in arguing with Hi-Fi about how wrong he is, since -- well -- there's no way to prove that CC's continuing on the title would have been the glorious rebirth of our Lord and Savior. It didn't happen. No point in getting in a tizzy over it.

-B

[fishtaco]

Well,

I think he's saying (and correct me if I'm wrong) that Claremont's plans didn't occur. And they won't occur. And no matter how awesome you may think they could have been, it just. will. not. happen.

It's like me saying "Gosh! What if Dazzler had been the fifth X-Factor member, as originally intended! She might have carried on with more continuity from her past! She's secretly hunting mutants while saving them! Think of that in context with her career! EeEeeKK!!! :D :D :D"

It's pointless. It didn't happen. Jean Grey came back. Claremont was booted off the title. There's no use in arguing with Hi-Fi about how wrong he is, since -- well -- there's no way to prove that CC's continuing on the title would have been the glorious rebirth of our Lord and Savior. It didn't happen. No point in getting in a tizzy over it.

-BI understand that, but it still doesn't matter. We are having a discussion about an idea that didn't happen. Hifi said it was a bad idea. I, and others are saying it's a good idea. Therefore, a debate. We all know that it did not happen, and that it (sadly) will not happen.

[Novaya Havoc]

I understand that, but it still doesn't matter. We are having a discussion about an idea that didn't happen. Hifi said it was a bad idea. I, and others are saying it's a good idea. Therefore, a debate. We all know that it did not happen, and that it (sadly) will not happen.

Hrmm. Last I checked, the thread was entitled "Australian Team Pics."

So, to be on-topic:

Aussies 1 (http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/03751--04000/03938.jpg)
Aussies 2 (http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01001--01250/01027.jpg)
Aussies 3 (http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01001--01250/01018.jpg)
Aussies 4 (http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01001--01250/01021.jpg)

Just a great pic of Dazz owning Wolverine (http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01001--01250/01026.jpg)

[Hi-Fi]

I understand that, but it still doesn't matter. We are having a discussion about an idea that didn't happen. Hifi said it was a bad idea. I, and others are saying it's a good idea. Therefore, a debate. We all know that it did not happen, and that it (sadly) will not happen.

Actually, you said that I'm dead-plain-wrong. And there's no right or wrong here. I don't like the idea. You do. End of story.

[Hi-Fi]

Hrmm. Last I checked, the thread was entitled "Australian Team Pics."

So, to be on-topic:

Aussies 1 (http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/03751--04000/03938.jpg)
Aussies 2 (http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01001--01250/01027.jpg)
Aussies 3 (http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01001--01250/01018.jpg)
Aussies 4 (http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01001--01250/01021.jpg)

Just a great pic of Dazz owning Wolverine (http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01001--01250/01026.jpg)

I love that little competition Havok and Dazzler had going on! :D

And Dazzler and Rogue bonding. Aww. :o

[fishtaco]

Actually, you said that I'm dead-plain-wrong. And there's no right or wrong here. I don't like the idea. You do. End of story.Not yet! You have simply said that it's a horrible idea. You have thus far not provided a basis for your opinion, with any evidence to support it from the comic books :D

[Affinity]

PICTURES!!! Full page scans from some great issues. Love the Outback!

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[Affinity]

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[Affinity]

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[david r]

The reason Chris Claremont was "booted off the title" in 1991 was because he was going to take the X-Men into new, uncharted directions. He in fact had been doing this since the Mutant Massacre. Slowly evolving the book beyond Xavier, and beyond the Mansion, into a more dangerous world.

Marvel and editor Bob Harras resisted this because they felt moving the book beyond it's core concepts (mansion, Prof X) would frighten and shock the new readers. Marvel resisted the dramatic changes that Claremont was planning, (and they were dramatic) and it became a tug-of-war between Harras and Claremont.

I don't doubt for an instant that Claremont still has some incredible stories left in him. He is stifled by a company that still resists any true change and likes simply the illusion of change. He has tried to adapt to the NuMarvel, but the shallow, decompressed stories now told by Nu Marvel is not Claremont's style. They don't want epic anymore, they want Bendis.

[Novaya Havoc]

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2908/uxm244pg116mp.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm244pg116mp.jpg)
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http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9885/uxm246pg159on.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm246pg159on.jpg)

Done! :D

BAH! I forgot the days when they made Dazzler a green-eyed black woman. <lol>

[david r]

Aren't those pics from UXM #244 and #246?

I thought #244 was humorous. The M-Squad was silly humor, but Jubilee's debut happened then also. I also like #245, especially that page with a bunch of movie aliens appearing (like E.T., Alien, Yoda, etc.) After the seriousness of "Inferno", those 2 issues were a nice surprise and Claremont used some of the humor he was employing on Excalibur at that time.

UXM #246 was the beginning of the "X-Men Dissassembled" period (IMO) and what a wild ride that was!!! Good times. :)

[Affinity]

Lol Novaya!

And yes, David, they are from those issues. Fun fun fun! I loved the whole girls night out thing. The other one I scanned because it was kind of cool; I never realized how deep the Carol/Rogue thing went.

[david r]

I miss that Carol/Rogue connection. Rogue couldn't touch another living soul and she had this other person trapped inside of her. The two identities trying to get along was an interesting twist to the character of Rogue.

I guess it was finally resolved in UXM #269, and later Carol and Rogue came to terms with each other and made their peace during the 1999 Contest of Champions II mini-series.

[Faded]

The whole Gateway/Magneto thing: personally I don't like it.

I mean whether or not its progressive or not, its not really appealing to me--not because its change but because its a change I don't like.

[Affinity]

I like it when you change your avatars, Faded! What issue is that from? I know its from those old 350+ Uncanny days, but DAMN it looks cool!

[david r]

The whole Gateway/Magneto thing: personally I don't like it.

I mean whether or not its progressive or not, its not really appealing to me--not because its change but because its a change I don't like.

Do you mean you'd rather see Magneto remain as a TrueBlood Villain? And have none of the character growth that Claremont created?

Or you simply don't want Magneto as Headmaster of the Mansion. I must admit, I'm not sure how Gateway would have worked. I wonder if Claremont's intentions in 1991 were for one book, say Uncanny X-Men be based at the Xavier Mansion, with Magneto in command. While the sister series X-Men would have been based in Australia with Gateway in some spiritual form of leadership.

Gateway was always a mystery to me. To this day, I cannot figure out if Chris Claremont had something cooking with him, or was he just making it up as he went along with Gateway. He never spoke, so how could he guide the teams?? The Magneto thing I can understand, Claremont was building up to it for years, but how would Gateway have fit in?

[fishtaco]

Gateway was always a mystery to me. To this day, I cannot figure out if Chris Claremont had something cooking with him, or was he just making it up as he went along with Gateway. He never spoke, so how could he guide the teams?? The Magneto thing I can understand, Claremont was building up to it for years, but how would Gateway have fit in?That's why I find the character infinitely compelling. I wonder if when Claremont finally leaves for good, he will spill the beans on all of his intentions and plans...

[fireball87o]

I like Claremont evolving the title beyond the status quo of the Westchester mansion. Xavier dies, X-men must progress and grow up, move beyond him and interpret the dream for themselves and what it really means to them. Thx for the scoop David on Claremont's scrapped plans

Also, it's great to see soon aussie pics. thanks Affinity!

And, good news, I finally found the christmas pic I was looking for

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/5462/xmenaussieatchristmas0cz.th.jpg (http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenaussieatchristmas0cz.jpg)

[Affinity]

Haha! Cool pic! I love Rogue's pose...I miss her.

[Stagier]

ditto what happened to rogue? anyone know when she lost her spunk? damn gambit! i mean death 3!

[Affinity]

Don't know when, but I truly believe that Mike Carey will give her back.

[DDM]

ditto what happened to rogue? anyone know when she lost her spunk? damn gambit! i mean death 3!

When Rogue & Gambit became a couple, Rogue became the whiny self-loathing character between 1992-1993 she has become from the fun-loving "action junkie" under Claremont's pen.

[fireball87o]

I'd like for Rogue to learn to control her touch powers, since it's a mental thing...she could do, may be with some help from Phoenix, Emma, or Xavier. Similar to how Carol Danvers controlled them when her persona was with Rogue. Then may be she'd be more spunky, wild, and free...and not so lonely. It would be a drastic change, but it could be good. Think about it.

[sbo]

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/5462/xmenaussieatchristmas0cz.th.jpg (http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenaussieatchristmas0cz.jpg)

I always liked that picture, Rogue and Colossus in a pose off.

Ahh the good old days when Rogue was such a great character. I hope she comes back.

[fishtaco]

When Rogue & Gambit became a couple, Rogue became the whiny self-loathing character between 1992-1993 she has become from the fun-loving "action junkie" under Claremont's pen.That's rather interesting, because Claremont intended to put Gambit and Rogue together :p

[Stagier]

That's rather interesting, because Claremont intended to put Gambit and Rogue together :p

i yah but even in the beginning rogue was rather reluctant to buy into his charm. I don't think claremont would have ever reduced her to this whiney swamp rat.

see xtreme, she was more old rogue than she's been in a while.

[DDM]

That's rather interesting, because Claremont intended to put Gambit and Rogue together :p

But Claremont would not have reduced Rogue into a whiny, depressed character. He would have kept her the same "action junkie" person who is relunctant to get involved with anyone.

[fishtaco]

But Claremont would not have reduced Rogue into a whiny, depressed character. He would have kept her the same "action junkie" person who is relunctant to get involved with anyone.As an "action junkie", I wouldn't say that he wrote her reluctant to get with anyone. She wanted to "get with" people, like that man in Uncanny X-Men #210, but she could not because of her uncontrollable powers. Cyclops is similar in that way, because he left the X-Men in one issue of Stan Lee's run because he considered his powers to dangerous for him to be around Jean. Rogue also wasn't reluctant to get with Longshot during the Outback era. It didn't actually happen, but it almost did.

But I can definitely agree that the character became whiny in the 90's, but I think that she could have had a relationship with Gambit without being whiny. X2 and Bizzare Love Triangle just took the worst of the situation and amplified it. I think Rogue finally needs to learn to control her powers. I believe that if X-Treme X-Men continued, Claremont would have went down this path. :)

[Brian M.]

There is a page in my Inferno TPB with the Austrailian Team fighting the Mararuders on the streets of NY. It is a great looking pic. It's in Uncanny X-Men #241. I can't scan it b/c the TPB is big and bulky. If anyone has the issue it's several pages into the issue but it's a two page spread.

[Tabris]

Well, CC plan didn't happen and it wont happen now that he's (thankfully) out of Uncanny. So even though I'm really wrong, I guess I won.

Some posters on this board shouldn't be posting.

[Brian M.]

Some posters on this board shouldn't be posting.

Hey, Hi-Fi is a good man. It ain't your place to say that.

[Tabris]

What's the point of a post like that beyond stirring up trouble?

Absolutely none. You and I both know this.

[dazzler_slave]

What's the point of a post like that beyond stirring up trouble?

Absolutely none. You and I both know this.
Still, Hi-Fi is a really good guy. He might just have been in a bad mood that day or something because he is a pretty respectful guy. You shouldn't say that he doesn't belong on this board as a poster.

EDIT: I just re-read what was written. Everybody was ganging up on him and certain posters were telling him that his opinion was flat out wrong. He told them it was just his opinion and asked them to stop hassling him and they didn't. His answer was totally justified!

[fireball87o]

I think Rogue finally needs to learn to control her powers. I believe that if X-Treme X-Men continued, Claremont would have went down this path. :)
Yeah, that's what i'm saying. She needs to get these powers under some better control, may be after X3...it'll be more likely for the comics to have this occur

[Sentinel K]

Ditto.

You can't judge somone from one single post.

That is just ignorant.

Ignorant people don't belong here. ;)

[Brian M.]

I believe that if Stan Lee had continued writing X-Men we would have gotten an X-Man orgy...wait a minute...I don't understand why a lot of threads need to drift to..."if Writer A had been allowed to finish his story than Writer B wouldn't have done this and this would have been w/ Character A which is soooooooo much better." It gets us nowhere. I'm not bashing anyone writer or any poster for writing that I'm just saying, you know....uuummmp what is it good for?

[Hi-Fi]

Some posters on this board shouldn't be posting.

I'm glad you joined the board just to post that. I feel special now.

[Hi-Fi]

What's the point of a post like that beyond stirring up trouble?

Absolutely none. You and I both know this.


Like your post about me? Have a mirror??

[Brian M.]

What's the point of a post like that beyond stirring up trouble?

Absolutely none. You and I both know this.

My post to stir up trouble? Really...can you even read what your typing? Or are you just getting drunk and slamming your head into the keys and getting lucky?

[Faded]

I think Hi-Fi should post more, if anything. He makes me smile.
[/off topic]

Anywaaaay, did anyone see that cool Austrailian X-Men pic by Leinil Yu that was in Wizard a few years back? Psylocke looked reaaaally nice in it. :)

[Sentinel K]

I think Hi-Fi should post more, if anything. He makes me smile.
[/off topic]

Anywaaaay, did anyone see that cool Austrailian X-Men pic by Leinil Yu that was in Wizard a few years back? Psylocke looked reaaaally nice in it. :)

Thats because she's Psylocke. 'Nuff said.

There should be a thread about favourate X-Ladies.

Oh wait.....

[Jellobay]

Some posters on this board shouldn't be posting.

That poster would be you dude.

[fireball87o]

Anywaaaay, did anyone see that cool Austrailian X-Men pic by Leinil Yu that was in Wizard a few years back? Psylocke looked reaaaally nice in it. :)

yes! that was cool. I have it some where, i'll scan it in if i find it.

What about the big Aussie X-Men/Early X-Factor poster that came out in the late 80s? That was AWESOME!!! I was a kid at toys 'r' us when i found that...and i've been in love with it ever since. Can't find a big version on the internet though

[streator]

Anywaaaay, did anyone see that cool Austrailian X-Men pic by Leinil Yu that was in Wizard a few years back? Psylocke looked reaaaally nice in it. :)
i don't remember ever seeing this. do you (or anyone else) have a link?
i'd like to see it.

[Affinity]

Me neither...

I like the picture in the DK X-Men guide. She looked great.

[Faded]

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3439/image287cu.th.gif (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image287cu.gif)

There it is. :)

[The Fury]

I wish Yu would draw X-men again.

[Affinity]

MAN that is awesome! His work on the New X-Men Annual was great, too. He should do more stuff+come back, too.

[Sentinel K]

I don't like Yu's work. I don't like that picture.

.....yeah.

[streator]

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3439/image287cu.th.gif (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image287cu.gif)

There it is. :)
wait a minute, i think i actually own a copy of this magazine that the image is in.
it looks to be from the wizard x-men special from around 2001 when morrison and casey took over the book, right? the cover had iceman, nightcrawler, and wolverine on it i believe (drawn by churchill).
it was one of the few wizard magazines i have ever gotten, and i haven't looked through it since.
am i right in assuming it was from that issue? or am i completely off?
i know i have seen this image somewhere before though, now that i've seen it again.
thanks either way, faded.

[Faded]

I have the issue you're talking about, but I don't think that image is in it. I got that one off the net somewhere. :)

[streator]

I have the issue you're talking about, but I don't think that image is in it. I got that one off the net somewhere. :)
hmm.
i was just going off of the fact that the aussie image you linked to says "wizard x-men special" on the bottom of the page. maybe they've had more than one x-men special. i don't know.
again, though, thanks for the link. it's a cool image.

[david r]

Yes, Wizard has had several X-Men specials throughout the years. But not any in awhile.

[fireball87o]

Yes, Wizard has had several X-Men specials throughout the years. But not any in awhile.

wizard:xm specials are great!
I'ld like a book of XM: Through the eras with big group shots of each era and new lineup (even the minor ones), complete with individual bios or each character, full body character and costume gallery shots as well! I'd buy that thing in an instant

[Faded]

No problem streator.

wizard:xm specials are great!
I'ld like a book of XM: Through the eras with big group shots of each era and new lineup (even the minor ones), complete with individual bios or each character, full body character and costume gallery shots as well! I'd buy that thing in an instant

I would so love that! I wish the OHOTMU people would do that for an encyclopedia or something.

[Faust451]

The Outback years and the short time before then and just after is my favorite period for the team.

Uncanny #221-277 is THE greatest and most original era for the Xmen.

:cool:

[dazzler_slave]

The Outback years and the short time before then and just after is my favorite period for the team.

Uncanny #221-277 is THE greatest and most original era for the Xmen.

:cool:
I agree 100%! What a great time for X-Fans! X-Factor was great at that time too! And while many others didn't, I like that era of New Mutants. Not to mentin that this era also had the early issues of Wolverine and Excalibur.

[fireball87o]

I agree 100%! What a great time for X-Fans! X-Factor was great at that time too! And while many others didn't, I like that era of New Mutants. Not to mentin that this era also had the early issues of Wolverine and Excalibur.

great eras and teams all around!

and to celebrate that awesomeness (and bring the post back into a aussie picture appreciation thread), here's a shot of the aussie xm:

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4867/0369jv.th.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0369jv.jpg)