Who's Better: Cyclops or Storm?

[Mind Shadow]

Judging from the fact that Storm and Cyclops are somewhat rivals in the sense of a power struggle and leadership, which comic book would you support if each were given their own comic book with their own team, provided that other X-Men were thrown into the mix as well?

Do you support the comic book that is led by the ever disciplined Scott Summers AKA Cyclops who is capable of thrashing his enemies with pure laser energy?

Or do you give your love, devotion, and money, of course, to the regal Ororo Munroe AKA Storm who's powers speak for themselves?

Let the voting begin! :D
Storm Rocks! :D

[Brian M.]

You know I know people will use Uncanny #201 as an example that she is better than Scott but I gotta go w/ Summers. He's born to lead. That's just it, few man rank up there w/ his leadership. Now I like Summers' Leadership w/o the Frost Complex.

[mattbib]

Cyclops is my favorite character, but I don't think he could support a solo title. Storm could.

[Beast]

Cyclops is my favorite character, but I don't think he could support a solo title. Storm could.
I don't know about that. Sales for her recent mini wasn't that great. And I doubt they'll be much better when numbers come in for the newest Storm series.

[Mind Shadow]

Well, I'm a HUGE fan of Storm, but I didn't buy that mini-series.
Why? The art was terrible, the script was corny, and the portrayal of Storm was off. It was supposed to be about her theivery days-- not a naive little girl who looks like a bad attempt at a drawing.

And I have to disagree with Cy being a leader. He'll always be under the Professor's thumb, and that will never, ever change. He can't see beyond anything the Professor tells him. Xavier's words are his law.

As for Storm, X-Treme X-Men speaks for itself. :D

[Mariah]

Well, let's see, both are constantly devoid of being able to thoroughly emote very well, both are have given up everything at one point or another for the x-men, but character wise, Ororo was really the only one anyone ever really fleshed out. Sure, Cyclops has had his moments, but they're usually while he's brooding, and sinking into himself. Not any real enlightenments, or epiphany's. He usually just jumps from one woman to another. First from Jean to Colleen, then back to Jean, then to Lee Forrester, then to Madelyne, then back to Jean and then finally to Emma. My, he's bagged almost as many women as Wolvie. So, i vote for Storm

[Mind Shadow]

Yea-- and Scott kinda has this little... 'thing'... with Dust in Claremont's The End. >_<

[X-Ray]

Storm already had her title. It was called X-Treme X-Men by Cris Claremont that lasted 40 some issues until the X-Men:Reload then she briefly went on under Uncanny X-Men banner.

XXM had Storm as leader with mainly Bishop and Sage as the main stars with Gambit and Rogue. This was my main book until the end. Storm went from saving Earth, to physical re-hab, to The Arena to XSE. It's was those stories that made me a bigger fan of Storm and for awhile in my eyes she was my leader of the X-Men.

Scott Summers to me, has always been as Randy of American Idol says,
"Just OK." What won me over was his romance with Emma Frost. I like when a writer makes a change to a story that sticks. I would prefer if Gene Grey would have still lived but she did give Scott her blessings and thats good enough for me. I knew Scott was either the leader or the second in comand to Prof. X but not til after Morrison's run and his square off with Nick Fury did I FEEL he was the leader.

I have dropped Astonishing (over rated) and don't have an intrest in Storm's life in Africa but I wish her and her writers the best.

I would pick Storm over Scott but they would still be equals.

But right now to me Emma Frost is the the leader with Kitty Pryde. But because Kitty Pryde is always watching Emma, to me at this point Kitty Pryde is the current REAL LEADER of the X-Men.

Go Shadowcat!!!

[Factor Three]

Factor Three seeks the elimination, or forced utilization, of either of Xavier's lapdogs.

Summers is nothing more than a mound of clay to be shaped to our will.

The self-proclaimed goddess, while a much greater threat to our goals, is just as malleable.

It will only take acquiring one and the X-Men will fall like dominoes.

Factor Three is on the rise.

[Frank]

Storm having her own title would probably have her spending her time in Africa saving people from poverty or "finding herself" and stuff so it would proably be pretty boring. Scott on his own is still an untapped potential, much to build on. I`ve always liked his look and the book could be pretty sci-fi like when Neil Adams was on the book in the late 60s. Cykes all the way.

[punisher_ryu]

Factor Three seeks the elimination, or forced utilization, of either of Xavier's lapdogs.

Summers is nothing more than a mound of clay to be shaped to our will.

The self-proclaimed goddess, while a much greater threat to our goals, is just as malleable.

It will only take acquiring one and the X-Men will fall like dominoes.

Factor Three is on the rise.

you just made my day.........

[Mind Shadow]

Gosh, stop rubbing Africa in.
I'm already dying of heart failure with her and Black Panther's disgusting relationship... :(

[X-Ray]

Gosh, stop rubbing Africa in.
I'm already dying of heart failure with her and Black Panther's disgusting relationship... :(


Disgusting? We live in a world where men are having sex with men and race mixing is common place. Two Africans, male and female in a hetrosexual relationship and you say thats disgusting? If anything it's old school.

Are you in the Archie Bunker Fan Club?

[Mind Shadow]

What's Archie Bunker?
Oh, and I didn't mean to exaggerate the disgusting part. It's just that they're always on and off. --_--

[Effect]

Storm has always been a favorite character of mine. Scott on the other hand I haven't been that much of a fan of. At least out of battles, in battles he rocks I feel. Just that all I've ever seen of him was paired with Jean or someone else and now all I ever see of him is when he's with Emma and I don't really care for her. Scott seems like he can only play off of other characters while someone like Storm or even Wolverine can hold my interest with just themselves.

Still if Storm was given her own team (married or not) I'd most certainly check it out. Would have to wat

I'll be honest though I'm not sure how I feel about the whole Storm and Black Panther marriage. I mean from what I've seen of him in New Avengers and the issue I picked up of his comic #14 I think, he's not bad. In fact I'm interested in his comic and looking forward to the next issue. Kinda Batman-ish in a way in how he comes off which is cool. Not to mention him being a King. I've never really been into the whole "needing a black superhero", as a black man in my early 20s, growing up it's just not something that really was an issue for me but if I was to look for one, his series would have made the list had I been a big comic reader growing up.

I think seperate the two are pretty good and like I said I've always been a Storm fan as far back as watching the X-men cartoon on Fox and even liked her in the recent X-men evolution. Though I would have picked someone else to play her in the movies. The marriage seems to forced I think. The issue of Uncanny ( I think was after the reload that I cam across recently ) that had her and Nightcrawler dancing was nice and flowed well. Rather see her paired up like that. The whole Storm/BP seems to give off the whole "they are together because they are both black super heros" vibe at first glance. Now that's not to say it's really like that since I've only read Storm #1 and not sure how the backstory is going to be retconed but at first glance I get that feeling. It might be a lot different once his series gets into things regarding the marriage. Just wish they wouldn't play it up as if they really are going to get married. There is no mystery at all to the situation. It comes off as a done deal which I don't like at all.

If Storm headed another X-men title as leader I'd read for sure. I didn't know about the X-men Xtreme series. How was it? Worth picking up? Was it canceled or just ended due to the "X-men reload" that took place?

[BYC]

Neither one could really support their own book. It's been proven over and over again that Wolverine is about the only X-Men that has a big enough following to maintain a monthly.

I've always been a Cyclops fan. He's not bland to me at all. Here's a guy who has lost his parents at a young age, forced to control himself due to his powers and environment, and is pressed into a para-military team of "different" people. No wonder he's repressed and anti-social. Even with all that, he carrys on and leads people.

I think I've traditionally supported the team Cyclops is on. Blue > Gold :)

[tjarvis]

Yeah, I would imagine my icon is indicative of whom my support would go to. I've never really enjoyed any of the Storm solo series either, she just doesn't connect with me very well.

Cyke on the other hand had a pretty a kick ass mini by Brian Vaughn a couple years back that I really enjoyed (ecspecially the Juggernaut fight).

In the end, I don't think either could support a solo series. But if you're asking who I would prefer to see as leader of the X-Men, than it's Summers all the way.

[Kal]

Storm. Yes she kicked Scott's ass when she lost her powers :p

http://mrlcomics.com/uncanny_xmen_covers/uncanny_xmen_cover_201.jpg

End of story. :D

Disgusting? We live in a world where men are having sex with men and race mixing is common place. Two Africans, male and female in a hetrosexual relationship and you say thats disgusting? If anything it's old school.

It is disgusting. Especially when the characters are forced together because of race and some "history" is retconned into their past.

[Brian M.]

Storm. Yes she kicked Scott's ass when she lost her powers :p

http://mrlcomics.com/uncanny_xmen_covers/uncanny_xmen_cover_201.jpg

End of story. :D



It is disgusting. Especially when the characters are forced together because of race and some "history" is retconned into their past.

Doesn't matter Scott>Ororo

Also...find me a solicitation for the Ororo/BP stuff that doesn't include the words African American.

[Kal]

Doesn't matter Scott>Ororo

Not really. Ororo > Scott "It's not up for discussion" :p

Also...find me a solicitation for the Ororo/BP stuff that doesn't include the words African American.

At least we agree on something! :D

[Arilou]

.... Black Panther isn't African-American is he? Or was he born in the USA?

[fishtaco]

Kal nailed it right on the head.

[MythicBrawn]

I think Cyclops is the better leader. He is more tactical and strategic. Storm is all those things just not as good as Scott. I do feel that Storm is more intimidating though. Wolverine would challenge Cyclops way more than he ever challenged Storm. In an early issue, Wolverine was going to gut Cyclops after Cyclops hit him and Storm told Wolverine to stop or he would answer to her.

[Hi-Fi]

Storm. Yes she kicked Scott's ass when she lost her powers :p

End of story. :D





Storm just won that battle because Madelyne helped her. Maddy cheated for her.

[Kal]

Storm just won that battle because Madelyne helped her. Maddy cheated for her.

:eek: Shame on you hi-Fi!!! How dare you?!?!?!? :p

But seriously, she whooped his ass fair and square. Sent him home crying to his mama. :D

[tjarvis]

:eek: Shame on you hi-Fi!!! How dare you?!?!?!? :p

But seriously, she whooped his ass fair and square. Sent him home crying to his mama. :D

Kind of like how Scott just told Storm to "STFU!" in the One Day Later House of M special to which she had no reply?

[Hi-Fi]

Kind of like how Scott just told Storm to "STFU!" in the One Day Later House of M special to which she had no reply?

Oh, so Storm can't leave the mansion, but Cyclops can abandon his wife and son?? ;)

[Hi-Fi]

:eek: Shame on you hi-Fi!!! How dare you?!?!?!? :p

But seriously, she whooped his ass fair and square. Sent him home crying to his mama. :D

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. :evilsmile

[Valen]

What's Archie Bunker?
I feel old.

[DDM]

Cyclops & Storm have very different leadership styles. Cyclops is more traditional with his team; whereas, Storm is more creative with her team. They both have strengths & weaknesses, but I prefer Storm leading the X-Men over Cyclops.

[Brian M.]

.... Black Panther isn't African-American is he? Or was he born in the USA?

Ok lemme change my statement...find me a soliction mentioning those two that doesn't mention race.

[f4faith]

I think Cyclops is the better leader. He is more tactical and strategic.

That makes him a better field commander. It does not make him a better leader. A leader needs vision and many more skills including social ones that Cyclops does not have. Look how messed up the X-Men are now that Xavier, Storm, and Jean are gone. These are the characters with vision and dreams - Scott just follows them but now he's following Emma and Emma's not showing any ability to be a real spokesman either. Her ruinning off of the non-powered mutants and what is happening with the potential taging of mutants in the 198 seems to show her lack of ability to be both compassionate and effectively promote the dream. Why Morrison thought she was so great I don't know. I'd take Jean anyday.

At least Storm has her own vision - even if it's that she realizes that Africa needs her as much as mutants. It shows she thinks more in terms of the world not just mutants as Emma only seems to and that's why Storm's a better proponent of peaceful co-existence.

Storm is easily the better leader. Scott may be a better tactical commander but he is not that good of an overall leader.

I do feel that Storm is more intimidating though. Wolverine would challenge Cyclops way more than he ever challenged Storm. In an early issue, Wolverine was going to gut Cyclops after Cyclops hit him and Storm told Wolverine to stop or he would answer to her.

That's because as I said above. Storm is a leader based on her own vision, authority and charisma. Scott is because he was placed into the position by Xavier based on his tactical skills. Jean's a better leader than Scott at least at that level - it's why Xavier considers her his real sucessor in the dream - not just his son - ala Scott.

That's not to disregard Scott's tactical skills as they are top notch and he should be a field commander because of it but as an overal inspirational leader - well he stinks. He's not inspiring the 198 (I bet you Xavier could have talked them and the government into a better situation and certainly kept Apocalypse from being so appealing, and one wonders if Scott hasn't lost the respect of many of her peers over the whole Emma mess they just don't tell him. There seems little "elevating" of the character like those who look up to an Xavier or Magneto or Storm do. There is a respect for those characters within the MU that Cyclops does not have. Even in HoM - they go to Emma not Scott and need to free Storm not him so much.

[Kal]

Kind of like how Scott just told Storm to "STFU!" in the One Day Later House of M special to which she had no reply?

Huh? Whatchu talking about? :p They had a disagreement. Storm decided to be the bigger person and leave instead of giving him a second smackdown. In front of his wife. Who also suffered at the hands of Storm(Schism)

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/storm29.jpg

What a crybaby! :p

[fishtaco]

Cyclops & Storm have very different leadership styles. Cyclops is more traditional with his team; whereas, Storm is more creative with her team. They both have strengths & weaknesses, but I prefer Storm leading the X-Men over Cyclops.That's a more fair, balanced view that I agree with. Both are good leaders. Now that I think about it, it depends on the status quo. With the whole Decimation thing, I don't think either of them are the best qualified. The last time the X-Men were in a similar situation, Storm ran away and had to be persuaded by Callisto to get back on her feet. However, Storm is familiar with more X-Men than Cyclops is. Right now, the X-Men need everything they have. That means X-Factor, X-Force, the remaining members of X-Corporation, a new Excalibur (pun intended), and every ally they can get. However, Cyclops definitely makes a better headmaster than Storm does. Storm was never shown to have a lot of teaching abilties.

In my opinion, the best X-Man set to lead the team(s) in the current situation is actually Magneto. Mutants are dangerously close to extinction, and we all know that Magneto specializes in the survival of mutantkind. Even as an X-Man and a hero he can still fight for his survival, as long as he doesn't murder humans.

[Brian M.]

I think Storm is a more emotional person but I think that if you were in a battle to end it all...say in THE END I'd want Cyclops.

Also it's funny how some of you mention the difference in Scott's leadership w/ Jean by his side and Emma by his side. I agree, there is a big difference in there. Jean believed in Scott, she knew that he would make the right decision. Being there from the start she understands that he always has the outlook for his team in the forefront of his mind. Emma has not had that much battle experience w/ Scott and doesn't know if she can trust his decisions. She's tried to lead herself and thus it maybe hard for her to take orders, so she second guesses and tries to get done her way and having her always question Scott causes him to wavier. Kitty in the first arc of Astonishing...I think it was issue #2 said it plain as day to Emma after they all got back from fighting. She said she had fought w/ Scott Summers and he had always been a confident leader and yet now she sees him questioning himself. What was the biggest difference in what Kitty was saying...Jean and Emma.

You say Scott is not emotional but he is, he does it in a different way than Storm and most people.

[Kal]

In my opinion, the best X-Man set to lead the team(s) in the current situation is actually Magneto. Mutants are dangerously close to extinction, and we all know that Magneto specializes in the survival of mutantkind. Even as an X-Man and a hero he can still fight for his survival, as long as he doesn't murder humans.

That's an oxymoron. Magneto will always try to murder people(especially humans) even more so when mutants are trying to survive :p

[mattbib]

Magneto's interests go beyond leading mutants...to the point of ruling them and subjugating other races. He'd make a good leader for those who believe in his cause, but not the X-Men. There's too much bad history and distrust.

[fishtaco]

That's an oxymoron. Magneto will always try to murder people(especially humans) even more so when mutants are trying to survive :pHe isn't like that in his current incarnation, and there have been times in the past where he has shifted towards Xavier's ideals. That's the Magneto I like. I dislike Magneto as a villain.

[Kal]

He isn't like that in his current incarnation, and there have been times in the past where he has shifted towards Xavier's ideals. That's the Magneto I like. I dislike Magneto as a villain.

Has Magneto ever really been a good guy? Even when he was part of the X-men it always seemed he was up to no good and always had an ulterior motive. I just find it difficult to believe he is really reformed, I mean even the Wanda woogie creation Xorn did exactly what the real Magneto would have done. :p

[Oracle_0128]

Cyclops. Love him or hate him...he's an essential part of the X-men. I think Storm has been soooooo screwed up over the past decade that she doesn't know if she's a bad ass, a goddess, or just a love toy.

Halle Berry doesn't help the situation any....

[Kal]

Cyclops. Love him or hate him...he's an essential part of the X-men. I think Storm has been soooooo screwed up over the past decade that she doesn't know if she's a bad ass, a goddess, or just a love toy.

Halle Berry doesn't help the situation any....

:rolleyes: What does Halle Berry have to do with this?

[Mind Shadow]

Kal is right. Cyclops can be quite the cry baby whenever he's beaten-- and the fact that he was beaten by:
1. a secondary X-Man at the time
2. an X-Man who had just lost her powers
3. plain and simple someone who wasn't under the guise of Xavier--
could really be heart breaking for him. Scott is too much of a serious and complicated person.

His failed and rather... unusual relationships reflect that judgement about him.
To top things off, I'm sorry to say, but he isn't a great leader as people think. He nearly got his butt killed in CC's The End. Dust had to save his butt twice. If she didn't, he was dead!

Whereas on the other hand, we have Storm. Ororo has always proven to be a unique, creative, and ingenious leader-- thus her Australian Team. Jim Lee and CC really fleshed out her leadership-- especially when she had lost her powers. It's amazing how even without powers, Ororo proved to be a valuable member of the team and wasn't a liability.
To add to her assets, she has a killer instinct-- which all in all means she makes decisions quickly yet with precision. Storm is also able to think outside of the box, concluding to the X-Treme X-Men where she does not believe Xavier can be trusted.

Cyclops is too attatched to Xavier and quite frankly, the bald man is and will always be his master. Charles' will is his command.
Plain and simple. ;)

[dazzler_slave]

I don't know about that. Sales for her recent mini wasn't that great. And I doubt they'll be much better when numbers come in for the newest Storm series.
Yeah, but that's probably because neither mini take place now. They are both re-tellings of her childhood. Young girl Storm has never been as interesting as adult Storm.

[dazzler_slave]

I would choose Storm. She is the best leader that the X-Men have ever had. She has managed to guide the team through some pretty terrible times (Mutant Massacre, Fall of the Mutants, the fallout of Onslaught etc) and do it successfully. She is strong, but also caring. This is what makes a great leader. You can't just give orders, you need to form a bond with your troops and she does this. She has a mind of her own, choosing to break with Xavier if she doesn't agree with him. She's not some mindless soldier. She is insanely powerful, but she has so many other skills at her disposal. This became evident when she lost her powers and yet still managed to lead the X-Men for many years. She is a world class hero who could easily find a home with the Avengers or Defenders or even the Fantastic Four, but she chooses to stay with the X-Men because she believes in the cause. Despite her absence now, I know she will return someday and take up the mantle of leadership again.

Cyclops, on the other hand, is lacking. No one could argue that he is a brilliant tactician, but that is all. He doesn't really inspire others. When he is leader, it seems like many members remain because they believe in Xavier's dreams, not Cyclops, whereas Ororo inspires people to follow HER. Scott is also very unbending and can't adapt as easily. He has almost no charisma and very little personality. He doesn't really develop a rapport with most of his teammates. He is also led way too easily. he used to be Xavier's bitch for years and now, let's face it, Emma is leading the X-Men through Scott. Scott could never be an Avenger because his worldview is just too small. He's a hard worker, I'll give him that, but not a superstar. He's a utility member. Cyclops has never been a character I've particularily liked, and as a leader I just don't think he can cut it.

[unkiedev]

Storm is one of the best leaders in the Marvel Universe.

Her strength is that she is always in the front line, earning the respect of those who follow her, yet she is extremely sympathetic to people working under her. She thinks about her team, her team-mates, and whatever the task is. She quickly figures out what is best for all, even if it means some folks stay behind and some lay it all on the line.

Storm is one of Marvel's most interesting and powerful characters. I think she should be bigger than she is.

-Cyclopse is a rote boy-scout crybaby who does what he thinks his ideals (mostly shaped by Xavier) wants. He's a one sided, myopic Military jar-head with no people skills at all.

Cyclops is popular because he is a boring everyman with a cool look/image. Storm never hits her stride because she is complex, african and a woman. Not many writers can figure her out...look at the x-men movies where she just sits there and is Halle Berry.

[unkiedev]

...And furthermore, Storm needs her dang Mohawk back! Best hair-cut in comics!

[Mind Shadow]

...And furthermore, Storm needs her dang Mohawk back! Best hair-cut in comics!
RIGHT ON! :D

[dazzler_slave]

Storm is one of the best leaders in the Marvel Universe.

Her strength is that she is always in the front line, earning the respect of those who follow her, yet she is extremely sympathetic to people working under her. She thinks about her team, her team-mates, and whatever the task is. She quickly figures out what is best for all, even if it means some folks stay behind and some lay it all on the line.

Storm is one of Marvel's most interesting and powerful characters. I think she should be bigger than she is.

-Cyclopse is a rote boy-scout crybaby who does what he thinks his ideals (mostly shaped by Xavier) wants. He's a one sided, myopic Military jar-head with no people skills at all.

I agree 100% :)

[Mind Shadow]

Uhmm... ditto.

[unkiedev]

RIGHT ON, FELLOWS!

Take that, Cyclops supporters. Whaddaya got? NUTHIN', that's right. Ole' one eye can go take a monocular gaze into the mirror and see a big-blue sad sack staring back. So what if he's boinking the White Queen? That and a dollar will by him a cup of coffee, and it sure don't make him a great leader.

Storm grew up a goddess and is about to be a Queen. That's an impressive leadership resume'.

[Mind Shadow]

Not to mention that she broke off of the Xavier's team and created X-Treme X-Men-- proving her flexibility and open-mindedness. That's like-- sacreligious in the X-World, but she did it!
So much for Cy!
;)

[unkiedev]

well, that's why Storm is the best: She's her own person. She always does what she thinks is right for others and herself. Tons of times she told Summers and Xavier to stuff it.

We're talking leadership, here. Cyclops is a Follower. Storm is a leader!

[dazzler_slave]

well, that's why Storm is the best: She's her own person. She always does what she thinks is right for others and herself. Tons of times she told Summers and Xavier to stuff it.

We're talking leadership, here. Cyclops is a Follower. Storm is a leader!
Right on, brother! Preach on! I am a believer!

[Frank]

Cyclops is second only to Captain America in term of field leader in the Marvel Universe. Storm was leader of the X-Men not because of the competence but because Claremont had a crush on her. :p Like Nicieza has a crush on Songbird and Carey has a crush on Rogue.

[Mind Shadow]

Considering Ororo's long history, that's quite belittling is it not?

[unkiedev]

Frank: Control of a group, the reason a leader has followers is TRUST and RESPECT.

Every time Scott is in control people follow him out of habit and a desire to keep the peace. Wolvie never likes him, Storm never likes him. Why? They don’t respect or trust him. Yes, Scott is a good Soldier, and a good combat commander. The X-men know they've been in tough battles with Scott, that he can galvanize a fighting team into a unit, and that he’ll see them through. Scott is a good sergeant.

But Storm is a good Commander. Storm can lead troops in battle just as well as Scott can, but she's not going to get all emotional or over whelmed like him when it comes to big decisions. Scott always needs a Xavier, an Emma, or a Jean to make his actual decisions for him.

He is not second to Captain America as far as field commanding. Nick Fury is, probably. They're both actual vets of the nastiest WW2 combat a writer could concoct.

Scott is a talented commander, but not a leader.

Storm always has the X-men's Trust and Respect. Scott has to demand it, or have Xavier give it too him....

....so NYAH! :p

[Mind Shadow]

Not to mention that she puts her teammates in place. Cyclops always has these little fits with Logan, and a Storm or anyone else has to mediate the two. Not exactly leader quality.

[Kal]

Shouldn't we turn this into a "Storm Appreciation thread"? :p

*Hi-fives all the Storm lovers*

Cyclops is second only to Captain America in term of field leader in the Marvel Universe. Storm was leader of the X-Men not because of the competence but because Claremont had a crush on her. :p Like Nicieza has a crush on Songbird and Carey has a crush on Rogue.

Yeah right! :rolleyes:

[Mind Shadow]

Since I am the one who started this thread, I guess I can change it. ;)

[unkiedev]

And storm can keep it in her pants.

CYCLOPS: angry youth orphan loser meets Fatherly bald guy who curbs his rebellion and brainwashes him to be his good little soldier. Guy's personal relationships are volatile as he's incredibly boring (and cheats on his girlfriends). Gets along with no one, including his lovers.

STORM: Literally an African Goddess who the previously mentioned Bald Guy asks to help Cyclops rescue his first team which he lost. Later goes to Asgard where she can lift Thor's hammer and almost replaces him. Leave team because Scott is a primadona, will eventually be Queen of a nation.

...I know who I'd follow.

[Mind Shadow]

... and, she kicked Wonder Woman's butt!
From what I remember, Cyclops couldn't even get a direct hit on Nightwing.

This is all referring to DC vs Marvel of course.

[unkiedev]

RIGHT ON, Mind Shadow!

Cyclops is the Cmmdr. Riker of the Marvel Universe.

[dazzler_slave]

Shouldn't we turn this into a "Storm Appreciation thread"? :p

*Hi-fives all the Storm lovers*



Yeah right! :rolleyes:
Hi Five back atcha! :D

[dazzler_slave]

And storm can keep it in her pants.

CYCLOPS: angry youth orphan loser meets Fatherly bald guy who curbs his rebellion and brainwashes him to be his good little soldier. Guy's personal relationships are volatile as he's incredibly boring (and cheats on his girlfriends). Gets along with no one, including his lovers.

STORM: Literally an African Goddess who the previously mentioned Bald Guy asks to help Cyclops rescue his first team which he lost. Later goes to Asgard where she can lift Thor's hammer and almost replaces him. Leave team because Scott is a primadona, will eventually be Queen of a nation.

...I know who I'd follow.
For sure! I would follow Ororo anywhere. Scott...not hardly! Ororo inspires people. Scott just trudges along until Ororo comes back to kick his butt again! :p

[Mind Shadow]

Dazzler_Slave-- did you get my PM? :confused:

[Mind Shadow]

Wait. Has Storm and Cylcops ever had a fight after the infamous one?

[dazzler_slave]

Dazzler_Slave-- did you get my PM? :confused:
Got it my friend, and responded to it! Sorry it took so long, I didn't even notice I had a PM! :D

[DDM]

Wait. Has Storm and Cylcops ever had a fight after the infamous one?

Yes, during Inferno when the Goblin Queen enchanted the X-Men to fight X-Factor in Uncanny X-Men #242 & X-Factor #38. Storm came to her senses to guide the remaining X-Men--save Dazzler, Longshot, & Havok--to fight the Goblin Queen. The X-Men & X-Factor also fought Malice & Mr. Sinister after Madelyne committed suicide.

[tjarvis]

So wait, Storm is a visionary leader for breaking off from the X-Men to form the X-treme team?

So Cyclops forming his own plan to bring about mutant/human peace in the guise of X-Factor gets him no credit then? :confused:

In the end, both teams failed. Ironically, Storm's step in creating the XSE is nothing more than a retread of what Scott had previously done in X-Factor. She's simply emulating Cyclops . . . again.

Hell, it's like Wolverine said in New X-Men - If you are an X-Man and you need to trust somebody to have your back in a bad place, there's nobody you would want before Scott Summers.

[Mind Shadow]

Funny how I read that 'watch your back line' being referred to Storm.

[Kal]

So wait, Storm is a visionary leader for breaking off from the X-Men to form the X-treme team?

So Cyclops forming his own plan to bring about mutant/human peace in the guise of X-Factor gets him no credit then? :confused:

In the end, both teams failed. Ironically, Storm's step in creating the XSE is nothing more than a retread of what Scott had previously done in X-Factor. She's simply emulating Cyclops . . . again.

Hell, it's like Wolverine said in New X-Men - If you are an X-Man and you need to trust somebody to have your back in a bad place, there's nobody you would want before Scott Summers.

:rolleyes:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/storm29.jpg

[Mind Shadow]

:cool: Kal, exxxactly.

[Kal]

:cool: Kal, exxxactly.

I don't know why he/she is arguing. The thread title is "Who's Better: Cyclops or Storm?" and in the pic I posted above Cyclops said "The best X-Man won, Storm". End of story. :p

[Mind Shadow]

:eek: Wow! I didn't even notice that!
HAHAHA :D

[unkiedev]

BLARG! You're hitting me in my weak-spot, tjarvis, actual x-men continuity...I'll give this a go, however:

FIRST OFF: Wolverine says a lot of things, often when drunk. Sure he might say that about Scott to his face, or at any given moment, but what would he have to say about Storm? Something similar, no doubt. Besides, that's pretty cheap talk from a guy who's trying to sleep with Scott's gal (jean). Depending on when that crazy Cannuck made the comment, maybe Wolvie was just hoping it would get back to Scott in order for Scott to let his guard down.

SECOND: Storm forms X-Treme x-men is akin to Scott forming X-Factor is akin to Xavier forming the x-men is akin to Iron Man forming the Avengers. It’s a comic book. You can’t fault Storm for writers using the same old gimmicks. I’ve always argued few writers know what to do with Storm.

..and come on now, tjarvis. ONLY Scott wants to see Human/Mutants peacefully co-exist? You’re talking like Scott turned into Dr. King Jr. after going out on his own when he discovered that the Storm lead x-men didn’t need him and ran better without him.

[Jellobay]

So wait, Storm is a visionary leader for breaking off from the X-Men to form the X-treme team?

So Cyclops forming his own plan to bring about mutant/human peace in the guise of X-Factor gets him no credit then? :confused:

In the end, both teams failed. Ironically, Storm's step in creating the XSE is nothing more than a retread of what Scott had previously done in X-Factor. She's simply emulating Cyclops . . . again.

Hell, it's like Wolverine said in New X-Men - If you are an X-Man and you need to trust somebody to have your back in a bad place, there's nobody you would want before Scott Summers.

Amen to that dude. Storm was a better leader in my opinion when she didn't have the powers.
Storm is way into the goddess thing now and bails on the X-men when they really need everyone they can get.
She says, she wants to help the remain mutants of Africa, but sure has enough time it seems to fall in love and plan a wedding.
She is powerful yes. Extremely powerful yes, but a better leader than Scott, heck no.

[Mind Shadow]

So your implying that Storm doesn't want Human/Mutant Peace as well?

[unkiedev]

the ONLY thing Scott has going for him is he makes a cooler action figure.

Can someone, honestly, list Scott's atributes as a good leader? Why is this even an issue?

-did you ever notice how Scott only dates co-workers? gross.

[Mind Shadow]

Again, I bring up the instances where Dust had to save his ass.
If she didn't, he was a gonner. :rolleyes:

[LordAllMighty]

So wait, Storm is a visionary leader for breaking off from the X-Men to form the X-treme team?

Technically speaking this is something Cyke has never done.

So Cyclops forming his own plan to bring about mutant/human peace in the guise of X-Factor gets him no credit then? :confused:

Yes and No. It was an interesting idea but it actually hurt human/mutant relationship in the long run because they called themselves mutant hunters. The American population loved X-Factor at first, only because they thought they where hunting down the evil mutants of the world. That was a big mistake by Scott and his team.

In the end, both teams failed. Ironically, Storm's step in creating the XSE is nothing more than a retread of what Scott had previously done in X-Factor. She's simply emulating Cyclops . . . again.

Not trying to split hairs but the XSE was a much bigger plan then anything Cyke tried during his leadership X-Factor.

Anyway, I give Cyke a slight edge over Storm on the battlefield but Storm greatly outreaches him when it comes to political rights for mutant and human, inspiration and thinking of the future welfare of her people. (IMHO)

Ororo has come a long way from her leadership of the Morlocks day.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/storm29.jpg

Just for the record, it was later revealed that Maddie had somehow influence the battle so that Cyke would lose

[Jellobay]

So your implying that Storm doesn't want Human/Mutant Peace as well?

I'm saying Storm is all about getting her Groove back and Cyclops is about trying to save and protect the remaining mutant population.

[Mind Shadow]

"Getting her groove back"
And yup she does!
She looks good AND helps the future of mutantkind. Don't make Cyclops bigger than he really is.

[Jellobay]

Again, I bring up the instances where Dust had to save his ass.
If she didn't, he was a gonner. :rolleyes:

Just because he need saving does not mean he is a good leader. Like Storm has never need a X-man's help to get her out of a jam. It has nothing to do with leadership.
And if you want to go down that road, we could bring up the countless time where Storm freezes up in an inclosed space.

[Jellobay]

"Getting her groove back"
And yup she does!
She looks good AND helps the future of mutantkind. Don't make Cyclops bigger than he really is.

How does shining her crown help mutant kind? ;)

How does running away from 90% of the mutants that need help, help mutant kind?

[Mind Shadow]

How is she running away?
Please, do elaborate.

[Jellobay]

How is she running away?
Please, do elaborate.

Hmm ... well lets see. She has a home (with a really nice room) at the X-mansion. At least 90% if the mutants or at the X-mansion. So hey lets go to Africa and get married. Its a great time for a wedding. Who cares that old friends are dying, children are blowing up. :p

[Mind Shadow]

You act as if she wants this marriage.
And Bishop INSISTED for her to stay in Africa.

[LordAllMighty]

Storm is way into the goddess thing now and bails on the X-men when they really need everyone they can get.
She says, she wants to help the remain mutants of Africa, but sure has enough time it seems to fall in love and plan a wedding.

As Storm pointed out, the X-Men are not the only mutants on the planet, there are others who don’t live in the USA, who need help. Apparently, Storm can see the big picture and understands what has happened to the world.

To tell you the truth, I don’t understand why Cyke allowed sentinels on the doorsteps of the X-Mansion while housing hundreds of mutants. To me this is a error of judgment that is only going too led to disaster. IMO, Storm is the only sane X-Men right now.

At least 90% if the mutants or at the X-mansion.

Which is a stupid idea if you ask me. IIRC, their talking about known mutans, not every last one on the planet.

Who cares that old friends are dying, children are blowing up. :p

Sadly this all happens under Cyke watch. :(

[Mind Shadow]

Yup yup :p
From what I remember, Extreme X-Men was all about seeing the bigger picture.

[Jellobay]

You act as if she wants this marriage.
And Bishop INSISTED for her to stay in Africa.

You act like she wants to help her fellow mutants.

All I am saying if she was really a great leader, she would be where she is most needed (like Cyclops) not being Queen to Black Panthers King.

And whose the one ruling that country? ;)

[Jellobay]

As Storm pointed out, the X-Men are not the only mutants on the planet, there are others who don’t live in the USA, who need help. Apparently, Storm can see the big picture and understands what has happened to the world.

To tell you the truth, I don’t understand why Cyke allowed sentinels on the doorsteps of the X-Mansion while housing hundreds of mutants. To me this is a error of judgment that is only going too led to disaster. IMO, Storm is the only sane X-Men right now.

If Cyclops forced the issue, he new there would be a fight. He has lost enough with HoM and is trying to piece things back together. A good leader picks his battles.
Storm is sane, because she got the heck out of dodge. I haven't seen the mass of mutants she is helping in the world lately, but it could be I just haven't been reading the right books.

[Jellobay]

Sadly this all happens under Cyke watch. :(

Well maybe is Storm was around she would have been able to stop the missle that blew up the bus or save Banshee, but thats right she is picking out a china patterns.

[Nightcrawler]

Cyclops was born to lead, in the most literal sense.

[unkiedev]

Cyclops was born to whine.

[unkiedev]

You act like she wants to help her fellow mutants.

All I am saying if she was really a great leader, she would be where she is most needed (like Cyclops) not being Queen to Black Panthers King.

And whose the one ruling that country? ;)
You're really pushing it, Jellobay. Who is ruling the fictitious country in the comic books that will be printed in the future? WHO KNOWS? If I was Storm I'd use Wakanda as a base of operations for a world wide Political mutant group...who knows what she will do? Not me or you.

So Black Panther is the king. It's gross to say or even imply she's not a good leader because she will be a Queen in a country with a ruling King.

Marvel decides what plot lines go forward. Marvel decided there would be a handfull of mutants left and that Storm would marry Black Panther. These events haven't even finished running their course, it's a little premature to bring them into this discussion.

[tjarvis]

Didn't Magneto once credit Scott as the person to whom he would most trust to hand over a mutant empire? I know for a fact he did that in the Ultimate universe, but I think he made a similar comment in the 616-verse as well. That's how good a leader Scott is, his freaking arch-nemesis would trust him to oversee the affairs of mutant kind.

As an aside, the Wolverine comment was said to Fantomex as Wolverine planned to trick Scott into helping him raid Weapon Plus, since Cyclops was the X-Man he trusted most at the time.

[unkiedev]

Didn't Magneto once credit Scott as the person to whom he would most trust to hand over a mutant empire? I know for a fact he did that in the Ultimate universe, but I think he made a similar comment in the 616-verse as well. That's how good a leader Scott is, his freaking arch-nemesis would trust him to oversee the affairs of mutant kind.

As an aside, the Wolverine comment was said to Fantomex as Wolverine planned to trick Scott into helping him raid Weapon Plus, since Cyclops was the X-Man he trusted most at the time.

trusted him so much he had to TRICK him into helping him with a plan? What am I missing here?

And Magneto: A commited genocidal mass-murderer is not the guy I want as a character witness, thank you.

[Jellobay]

You're really pushing it, Jellobay. Who is ruling the fictitious country in the comic books that will be printed in the future? WHO KNOWS? If I was Storm I'd use Wakanda as a base of operations for a world wide Political mutant group...who knows what she will do? Not me or you.

So Black Panther is the king. It's gross to say or even imply she's not a good leader because she will be a Queen in a country with a ruling King.

Marvel decides what plot lines go forward. Marvel decided there would be a handfull of mutants left and that Storm would marry Black Panther. These events haven't even finished running their course, it's a little premature to bring them into this discussion.

And Marvel decides who is the best to lead the X-men.

*** checks the current issue ***

Marvel decided Cyclops. ;)

[Mind Shadow]

Quite frankly, I'm tired of arguing. I've argued enough defending Raven in comicblocs, there is no way I'm wasting my productive energy in trying to prove something that others don't believe.
Storm is better.
Cyclops isn't.
End of my posting here.

Kal, summon up a windstorm and blow this jelly boy away would you?

[unkiedev]

No, Marvel decides who will sell more t-shirts, action figures and cartoons.

Most of the arguments being presented by the pro-cyclops side are only prevalent because Cyclops has a longer time being the leader of the X-men, therefore more exposure for praise.

The discussion is "Who is the better leader," not "Who is more marketable/popular."

Marvel is a major Multi-million dollar company. Why is Wolverine in every book? They make decisions based on sales. Writers like Claremont made decisions based on the story.

Marvel “decided” that Scott Summers is the blank, white, undynamic everyman that should lead their Top selling book. American Teens can relate to Scott’s brooding and Parental angst. Also, horny teens want to screw X-ladies…Scott can do that, Storm can’t. Jean Grey was a big fantasy x-girl. Scott was flirting with Psylock when Lee was on the book and everyone wanted to nail Psylock. Now Emma Frost is this years eye candy for teens, and guess who Scott is porking?

On the other foot, everyone is giving Storm a hard time for marrying a powerful and successful sovereign of his own nation.

It’s clear the Scott detractors cannot relate to Storm. The Hollywood movie writers can’t relate to Storm.

Scott is a poor leader, but a great corporate shill.

[Jellobay]

Scott is a poor leader, but a great corporate shill.

This made me smile. :)

I am not even the big of a Cyclops fan. And Storm is extremely powerful and looks great in a mohawk. I think Storm is wonderful, but no one has told me why she is a "better leader".

I heard plently that she left to save the rest of the mutants in world, but no one has told me who these mutants she saved are.

I find Storm and Cyclops to both be great characters, but a leader leads and who is Storm leading?

[tjarvis]

No, Marvel decides who will sell more t-shirts, action figures and cartoons.

Most of the arguments being presented by the pro-cyclops side are only prevalent because Cyclops has a longer time being the leader of the X-men, therefore more exposure for praise.

The discussion is "Who is the better leader," not "Who is more marketable/popular."

Marvel is a major Multi-million dollar company. Why is Wolverine in every book? They make decisions based on sales. Writers like Claremont made decisions based on the story.

Marvel “decided” that Scott Summers is the blank, white, undynamic everyman that should lead their Top selling book. American Teens can relate to Scott’s brooding and Parental angst. Also, horny teens want to screw X-ladies…Scott can do that, Storm can’t. Jean Grey was a big fantasy x-girl. Scott was flirting with Psylock when Lee was on the book and everyone wanted to nail Psylock. Now Emma Frost is this years eye candy for teens, and guess who Scott is porking?

On the other foot, everyone is giving Storm a hard time for marrying a powerful and successful sovereign of his own nation.

It’s clear the Scott detractors cannot relate to Storm. The Hollywood movie writers can’t relate to Storm.

Scott is a poor leader, but a great corporate shill.

All joking aside, isn't it a more fair assessment to say that both are actually good leaders, they just excel in different areas. Hell, both recognize that quality in each other. Read the very first X-Men Unlimited, it features a story about Cyclops and Storm stuck in the arctic, and comments on both people's leadership skills.

For one to be good, the other doesn't have to suck. It's just a matter of which one you think excels a bit more.

[Jellobay]

Kal, summon up a windstorm and blow this jelly boy away would you?

That hurt Shadow, I think you are pretty cool to stick with your character. I was just trying to get you to defend that character and tell me why she is a good leader now.
Go out alone to save mutants is a cool thing to do, but if your doing it alone, who are you leading.

This is a better leader thread right? ;)

[Mind Shadow]

Well, saying that Storm was picking out china while others were dying kinda hurt. Not to mention that it was irrelevent in the 'leader' topic. Only fair that I said that.

[unkiedev]

Alright, no one need get hurt, it's just comics fer cryin' out loud.

Who is Storm leading? An entire nation, pretty soon.

And I agree with you, tjarvis. For one to be good doesn't make the other bad. I do have an axe to grind against Cyc. I really find him to be the most vanilla character in the Marvel Pantheon.

[Jellobay]

Well, saying that Storm was picking out china while others were dying kinda hurt. Not to mention that it was irrelevent in the 'leader' topic. Only fair that I said that.

Me saying Storm was picking out china hurt you? I am sorry about that. I think your a cool dude and I respect you opinion.

But ... the fact that she is going to have a wedding while the people she said she was protecting are in crisis, does to me have something to say about weather she is a good leader or not.

[Jellobay]

Alright, no one need get hurt, it's just comics fer cryin' out loud.

Who is Storm leading? An entire nation, pretty soon.

And I agree with you, tjarvis. For one to be good doesn't make the other bad. I do have an axe to grind against Cyc. I really find him to be the most vanilla character in the Marvel Pantheon.

I'm not really hurt. I am just screwing around. It is only comics and that is the good think about them. We can argue about them and at the end of the day still pick up the same books and be friends.

But .... I believe Black Panther is the King. At best she is a co-leader. ;)

Tag your it. :D

[Mind Shadow]

Well, to tell you the truth, I myself think that Storm marrying while the others are suffering isn't boding well for me either. She's becoming too... out of character for me.

But from what I understand, she isn't enjoying this marriage is she?

[xgeek52]

valid arguements both pro and con...but as i see it (and as tjarvis put it) one is no better than the other...each has his strength and each has his weaknesses...ororo has skills in strategy but with a different approach...both will do whatever it takes to see to the survival of their respective teams and perserve the dream... :cool:

[Mind Shadow]

Sounds good to me.

[Jellobay]

Well, to tell you the truth, I myself think that Storm marrying while the others are suffering isn't boding well for me either. She's becoming too... out of character for me.

But from what I understand, she isn't enjoying this marriage is she?


Then I think she needs to knock Black Panter on his butt. Come home to the X-mansion and then knock Emma on her butt too. :D

[unkiedev]

I really haven't followed much x-stuff lately. I'm actually excited about the Storm/Black Panther thing...it just seems cool. I like story lines that progress characters, that age them. However, I know nothing about the particulars. They don't want to get married? Storm is unhappy with the arrangement? News to me.

I can forsee Storm becomming like a goddess/queen to all of Africa. I can see her achieving a cult status like Eva Parone or even the virgin mary. We'll see.

-Bah. I know they have Storm running around while Cyc is trying to straighten things out. If it makes you feel any better, they have firmly established that the Sentry is so powerful that bad things on Earth only happen because he lets them. He must be biggoted against stinkin' muties because he sure ain't showing up at the X-Mansion to lend a hand.

Should Storm be helping more? Maybe they'll retcon that she did. :p

[unkiedev]

Then I think she needs to knock Black Panter on his butt. Come home to the X-mansion and then knock Emma on her butt too. :D
NOW YOUR TALKING!! YEEEE-HAWW!!!

[Mind Shadow]

I don't see Black Panther popping into the X-Men though-- being that Storm's inevitability in returning. He's too much of an independent character. If he were to join a team, the Avengers is it.

I actually hope Storm was with Forge.

[Jellobay]

NOW YOUR TALKING!! YEEEE-HAWW!!!

I just wish anyone would knock Emma on her butt. :)

[Jellobay]

I don't see Black Panther popping into the X-Men though-- being that Storm's inevitability in returning. He's too much of an independent character. If he were to join a team, the Avengers is it.

I actually hope Storm was with Forge.

I like the Storm/Forge relationship too.

I don't like the Strom/Logan thing. Thats just silly.

[Mind Shadow]

Well Storm knocked Emma on her butt.
Remember? X-Treme X-Men?

[Mind Shadow]

I like the Storm/Forge relationship too.

I don't like the Strom/Logan thing. Thats just silly.

Oh my god. I think I found my new best friend! :D

[LordAllMighty]

If Cyclops forced the issue, he new there would be a fight. He has lost enough with HoM and is trying to piece things back together. A good leader picks his battles.

Sorry this still looks bad on Cyke. Having a large group of mutants under one roof while surrounded by Sentinels is Rachel's future in the making. At the very lest Cyke should have had more then one location for mutants to recover/hide.

Storm is sane, because she got the heck out of dodge. I haven't seen the mass of mutants she is helping in the world lately, but it could be I just haven't been reading the right books.

Just read the latest issue of Uncanny X-Men. :)

Well maybe is Storm was around she would have been able to stop the missle that blew up the bus or save Banshee, but thats right she is picking out a china patterns.

Again, there are other mutants outside the little world of the X-Men.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to call Cyke a bad leader but his judgment calls have been really bad lately. I almost feel that Marvel is going out of their way to make him look bad.:(

All joking aside, isn't it a more fair assessment to say that both are actually good leaders, they just excel in different areas. Hell, both recognize that quality in each other. Read the very first X-Men Unlimited, it features a story about Cyclops and Storm stuck in the arctic, and comments on both people's leadership skills.

For one to be good, the other doesn't have to suck. It's just a matter of which one you think excels a bit more.

I agree with you 100%. IIRC, Cyke has already said that he considers Storm his chief rival and equal.

[Jellobay]

I really haven't followed much x-stuff lately. I'm actually excited about the Storm/Black Panther thing...it just seems cool. I like story lines that progress characters, that age them. However, I know nothing about the particulars. They don't want to get married? Storm is unhappy with the arrangement? News to me.

I can forsee Storm becomming like a goddess/queen to all of Africa. I can see her achieving a cult status like Eva Parone or even the virgin mary. We'll see.

-Bah. I know they have Storm running around while Cyc is trying to straighten things out. If it makes you feel any better, they have firmly established that the Sentry is so powerful that bad things on Earth only happen because he lets them. He must be biggoted against stinkin' muties because he sure ain't showing up at the X-Mansion to lend a hand.

Should Storm be helping more? Maybe they'll retcon that she did. :p

I like the Sentry, but his series is a little weird. The whole Void/Sentry same person, but different needs to end and they need to move on IMO.

[Mind Shadow]

..... and the debate continues.
I still stand on Storm's side. :p

[Effect]

Her not wanting to get married. As far as I know, from how I first heard about the marriage was that Black Panther's mother felt it was time he took a bride and got married. Now since it was her decision and not really his I think it could be that both (he and Storm) aren't really 100% happy about it or behind it. Thought they might see the good in actually doing so (Storm helping mutants in Africa, BP having another ally to help defend his people and he could help her). I doubt she's being forced into it persay. That wouldn't make much sense. So her not being happy about would make one thing she doesnt' even want to go through it. The only thing I can think of (not having read much of what is going on) is that it wasnt' their idea, they do have a past together and care for each other, they see the benefits of such a union so agree to go through with it while possibly having some doubts and reservations about it.

[Jellobay]

Just read the latest issue of Uncanny X-Men. :)



I do read Uncanny and I don't see Storm, nope not anywhere.

Nope she didn't save any one in that issue either.

Lets check X-men.

Theres Apoclypes, nope no Storm.

Oh there she is in Black Panther. I wonder what her dress will look like. ;)

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

I do read Uncanny and I don't see Storm, nope not anywhere.

Nope she didn't save any one in that issue either.

Lets check X-men.

Theres Apoclypes, nope no Storm.

Oh there she is in Black Panther. I wonder what her dress will look like. ;)


Now you're just being facietous. Stop that!:evilsmile

[Citizen V]

Judging from the fact that Storm and Cyclops are somewhat rivals in the sense of a power struggle and leadership, which comic book would you support if each were given their own comic book with their own team, provided that other X-Men were thrown into the mix as well?

Do you support the comic book that is led by the ever disciplined Scott Summers AKA Cyclops who is capable of thrashing his enemies with pure laser energy?

Or do you give your love, devotion, and money, of course, to the regal Ororo Munroe AKA Storm who's powers speak for themselves?

Let the voting begin! :D
Storm Rocks! :D

Leadership wise,this is from the 90`s.I would have to say Cyclops,but barely.He has had more experience with the team,and everyone seems to get along with him,except for Logan.

Dispite the fact that Storm is a very good leader,and seems to key in on others on a nearly emotional level.I would still have to vouch for Cyclops.

In today`s Uncanny...i would say neither.

[Jellobay]

Now you're just being facietous. Stop that!:evilsmile

You know me better than that Wolf. :)

[Mind Shadow]

:rolleyes:

[unkiedev]

I hate the Sentry, ONLY because he throws the power balance of the Marvel Universe off and creates scenarios like this one.

The Logan/Storm thing is due to the fishbowl, high school nature of the X-books. These same characters only have each other to date because they never interact with anyone else. They’re creepy incestuous. Storm probably slept with Wolvie because Colossus was dead, and everybody else had done it, and Emma Frost was controlling her mind, or something.

Storm rocks.

[Jellobay]

Well, its been fun guys. But I am off home.

Bye. :)

[LordAllMighty]

I do read Uncanny and I don't see Storm, nope not anywhere.

Uh...you do have Uncanny X-Men 470 with the first three pages, right? :)

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0602/22/marvelfirsts.htm

[Kal]

Kal, summon up a windstorm and blow this jelly boy away would you?

Nah, I can do better:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/storm43.jpg

Just kidding! :p

I just wish anyone would knock Emma on her butt.

*Hi-fives Jellobay*

Her not wanting to get married. As far as I know, from how I first heard about the marriage was that Black Panther's mother felt it was time he took a bride and got married. Now since it was her decision and not really his I think it could be that both (he and Storm) aren't really 100% happy about it or behind it. Thought they might see the good in actually doing so (Storm helping mutants in Africa, BP having another ally to help defend his people and he could help her). I doubt she's being forced into it persay. That wouldn't make much sense. So her not being happy about would make one thing she doesnt' even want to go through it. The only thing I can think of (not having read much of what is going on) is that it wasnt' their idea, they do have a past together and care for each other, they see the benefits of such a union so agree to go through with it while possibly having some doubts and reservations about it.

*shudders* This whole wedding thing makes me sick.

[Mind Shadow]

Aaaaaaand yet again, this amazingly talented Kal has proven that her stability, strength, persistence, and intellegent mind is something to be admired. ::Claps:: I applaud you Mizzzz Kal. You are NOT the Weakest Link.
:D

[Valen]

Throw a vote for Cyclops in for me.

I have never liked Storm (although I can't tell you exactly what about her character rubs me the wrong way). I find that I seem to avoid books which feature her as a character: Uncanny X-Men (Gold Team), X-Treme X-Men, Uncanny X-Men again (until she ran off to be with Black Panther).

I have always been a Cyclops fan. X-Factor was one fo the first comics I ever bought and looked forward to on a regular basis. Just as I avoid anything with Storm, I will often buy books just because Cyclops is in it.

[Frank]

Storm has been a fixation of CC from the get-go. He made her more important that she should. It`s like what he`s doing with Psylocke now. What he was doing with Sage. Making these characters invincible that almost don`t make mystakes(even changing their whole personality so they can become his ideal woman). That`s why I love Scott as the leader of the X-Men. Because he`s human! He falls in love with the wrong gals, he lost his team on Krakoa and had to train a new squad of newbie to get them back. Also he I always thought, going back when I was a kid(even not knowing who he was) that he had a great science-fiction look with his visor and so on. He belong in a team called "The X-Men". Mysterious people with an x-factor.

But more importantly Cyclops always have been cool before, during and after CC. Storm without CC has been crap. And that`s mainly because the other writers don`t give a crap. :D

Storm given her power and magesty could be in the Avengers; Cyclops is 100% an X-Man and will never be something else.

He is Mr. X-Men.

The heart and soul of a concept that I like first and foremost above any others in comics.

[ShinySteelBrit]

My vote is for Scott. I don't think that the rebellious nature of Storm makes her any better a leader, rebellion doesn't mean people will follow you. In Storm's case she is a good leader because people will follow her but not because she broke away from Xavier. If you don't agree then look at Scott who has stuck with the dream and is still being followed, you might argue he isn't the best but you can't deny he is good.

Personally I prefer Scott over Ororo anyway, I've always found Storm to be pompous which annoys me. Her personality doesn't mesh well with mine so I wouldn't want to follow her, it does match with Logan however so its no surprise that he prefers her leadership and doesn't fight so much, Storm puts forward Logan's type of solutions.

In a fight I'd be much more confident going in with Cyclops at my back than Storm, not that she is incompetent but I think Cyclops is that much better in the fight, that very fact is automatically going to draw respect so to argue Scott has no respect or trust in the X-Men is a bit silly in my opinion.

As others have said as well Storm isn't currently leading anyone and leaders are born to lead, they can't help but do it they just have people follow them. I think that Storm has made the wrong decision in not supporting the X-Men more, they are having serious problems right now and she just isn't there for them, I know why she isn't and she might have long term plans but she isn't where she should be. Scott on the other hand is doing what he can, you might dispute his decisions but he is trying to guide the X-Men in one of the hardest times they have ever seen.

I don't know if that makes sense but that is my logic :p

[Mind Shadow]

Storm doesn't choose to lead others.
Others choose to follow her.

BIG difference.

[Jellobay]

Storm doesn't choose to lead others.
Others choose to follow her.

BIG difference.

Who followed her to Africa? ;)

[Hi-Fi]

Who followed her to Africa? ;)

Logan in Uncanny X-Men. :evilsmile


Sorry, Jello, I'm a Storm follower. :o ;)

[Jellobay]

Logan in Uncanny X-Men. :evilsmile


Sorry, Jello, I'm a Storm follower. :o ;)

Logan doesn't count. He eats his own body parts. :)

[mattpsy2k]

Well, IMO, Cyclops gets my vote. He is a type that is peerless while Storm is the "feel good" type of leader because she at some point she considers her teammates her family. I never saw saw Cyclops give out speech that the X-men are a family instead he considers them as his equal and comrades.

As much as I like what Claremont had done to her, Storm is, you know, groomed to be a goddess type and he pushed her leadership up to her limit, not to mention her powers. While Cyclops is the flawed one, despite of the obstacles and hardships, he still managed to be cool and make a tactical strategies during the battlefield.

In my point of view, in what is happening now, I think it is better to stick together in the mansion with Cyclops at the helm because I think he has a defensive plan just in case there is trouble. Don't mention the incident of the bus explosion because it is said that it's Emma's fault. And Storm is out there alone, maybe not quite as she is with her future husband, but what chance have she got when trouble comes along?

[LordAllMighty]

In my point of view, in what is happening now, I think it is better to stick together in the mansion with Cyclops at the helm because I think he has a defensive plan just in case there is trouble.

This is where I disagree with you. It silly to have a large group of mutants at one location where they can all be wipe out in one massive attack.


Don't mention the incident of the bus explosion because it is said that it's Emma's fault.

No matter how she might act, Emma is not the leader of the X-Men. Sadly this all falls under Scott’s command.

And Storm is out there alone, maybe not quite as she is with her future husband, but what chance have she got when trouble comes along?

She has better chance then all those mutants sitting at the X-Mansion with Sentinels standing right outside the door.

[Jellobay]

She has better chance then all those mutants sitting at the X-Mansion with Sentinels standing right outside the door.


She is safer sitting on her throne. ;)

[Mind Shadow]

Please, just SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THAT ALREADY!!

[Jellobay]

Please, just SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THAT ALREADY!!

What did I say something? ;)

I'll make you a deal. Stop with the whole Storm is a great and super awesome leader and I will stop with that. :)

How about it buddy?

[Brian M.]

She is safer sitting on her throne. ;)


Black Panther?

The greatest African mutant in the world marry's the greatest African Superhero and the greatest African moment in Marvel History. It'll be written by one of the best African American writers in America, using his great talents to tell this great African-tale of luuuuuve.

[Brian M.]

This is where I disagree with you. It silly to have a large group of mutants at one location where they can all be wipe out in one massive attack.



No matter how she might act, Emma is not the leader of the X-Men. Sadly this all falls under Scott’s command.



She has better chance then all those mutants sitting at the X-Mansion with Sentinels standing right outside the door.


Wasn't Storm incharge of the Morlocks? How'd that go for her? Wasn't she a Queen of something in Africa? How are they doing?

[Jellobay]

Black Panther?

The greatest African mutant in the world marry's the greatest African Superhero and the greatest African moment in Marvel History. It'll be written by one of the best African American writers in America, using his great talents to tell this great African-tale of luuuuuve.

Black Panter is a Mutant? :eek:

[Jellobay]

Wasn't Storm incharge of the Morlocks? How'd that go for her? Wasn't she a Queen of something in Africa? How are they doing?

Two valid points my friend. :)

[Sentinel K]

Please, just SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THAT ALREADY!!

Heh.

Looks like its someone's time of the month. ;)

[unkiedev]

Jeez, Jellobaby, you just won't let up with this, will you?

SCOTT is BORING! He's a brainless do-gooder with no personality. Look at that man...the only thing preventing him from being a right wing conservative was being born a Mutant.

-As far as Storm once being the leader of the Morlocks "How did that go?", Didn't Scott lead an entire team of x-men to their doom at the hands of Krakoa the living island? How did that go?

Oh really? Storm and others had to go and save them, and then later on Scott gave leadership of the team over to Storm because he admitted she was better then he was? hmmm. interesting.

[FieryBalrog]

Jeez, Jellobaby, you just won't let up with this, will you?

SCOTT is BORING! He's a brainless do-gooder with no personality. Look at that man...the only thing preventing him from being a right wing conservative was being born a Mutant.

-As far as Storm once being the leader of the Morlocks "How did that go?", Didn't Scott lead an entire team of x-men to their doom at the hands of Krakoa the living island? How did that go?

Oh really? Storm and others had to go and save them, and then later on Scott gave leadership of the team over to Storm because he admitted she was better then he was? hmmm. interesting.
1) you're wrong about Scott, but thats a whole different topic. Scott's not boring, and what's wrong with being conservative?

2) I dont remember anyone dying on Krakoa. I also don't see what Cyclops could have done better. I do remember:

Storm forgetting to bring Magneto (good move, leave the most powerful guy to babysit...)

Storm leaving Logan by himself to "bring back a prisoner"

Storm abandoning the Morlocks after she just shook up their whole power structure.

A hell of a lot of Morlocks dying, and several teammates getting injured badly.

I like Storm, but she's not a good leader.

[Jellobay]

Jeez, Jellobaby, you just won't let up with this, will you?

SCOTT is BORING! He's a brainless do-gooder with no personality. Look at that man...the only thing preventing him from being a right wing conservative was being born a Mutant.

-As far as Storm once being the leader of the Morlocks "How did that go?", Didn't Scott lead an entire team of x-men to their doom at the hands of Krakoa the living island? How did that go?

Oh really? Storm and others had to go and save them, and then later on Scott gave leadership of the team over to Storm because he admitted she was better then he was? hmmm. interesting.


Bad things happen to good leaders. Go by what is happening now. Storm is eatting grapes in some palace and Cyclops is trying to save people.

I know "Storm is off saving mutants in Africa," what mutants I don't know. Funny how the only person that followed her for about an hour was Wolverine. :)

[Jellobay]

1) you're wrong about Scott, but thats a whole different topic. Scott's not boring, and what's wrong with being conservative?

2) I dont remember anyone dying on Krakoa. I also don't see what Cyclops could have done better. I do remember:

Storm forgetting to bring Magneto (good move, leave the most powerful guy to babysit...)

Storm leaving Logan by himself to "bring back a prisoner"

Storm abandoning the Morlocks after she just shook up their whole power structure.

A hell of a lot of Morlocks dying, and several teammates getting injured badly.

I like Storm, but she's not a good leader.

Amen Dude. :)

[Sentinel K]

A good leader needs to keep a personal and emotional distance from the people he's leading. It makes descision making easier and when it comes to giving commands, simpler. This is why Scott makes an EXCELLENT leader. He doesn't let emotions cloud his judgement. (The only people he's ever been REALLY close to are Jean and Emma, and to a lesser extent Alex and Charles).

Ororo has great emotional ties with most of the X-Men, especially the All New, All Different crew, so emotions are bound to cloud her judgement when making critical descisions.

This why I believe Scott is a stronger leader.

Sure he's made mistakes, but he's learned from them Ororo has made them too.

And while I'm here.....

Why do people think that just because Ororo beat Scott in a contest that makes her a better LEADER? It doesn't mean that. It just means she can beat him in a fight (not going into Scott's emotional state at the time, and Maddies influence over the fight).

It says nothing about who has the greater ability to LEAD the X Men.

[Jellobay]

A good leader needs to keep a personal and emotional distance from the people he's leading. It makes descision making easier and when it comes to giving commands, simpler. This is why Scott makes an EXCELLENT leader. He doesn't let emotions cloud his judgement. (The only people he's ever been REALLY close to are Jean and Emma, and to a lesser extent Alex and Charles).

Ororo has great emotional ties with most of the X-Men, especially the All New, All Different crew, so emotions are bound to cloud her judgement when making critical descisions.

This why I believe Scott is a stronger leader.

Sure he's made mistakes, but he's learned from them Ororo has made them too.

And while I'm here.....

Why do people think that just because Ororo beat Scott in a contest that makes her a better LEADER? It doesn't mean that. It just means she can beat him in a fight (not going into Scott's emotional state at the time, and Maddies influence over the fight).

It says nothing about who has the greater ability to LEAD the X Men.

Pete rocks. :)

(That was harder to type than I thought.)

[unkiedev]

Bah. I feel "Put in my place" by all-ya'lls superior knowledge of X-men continuity. I still maintain Cyc has more trophies on his mantle simply because he's been team leader the longest.

Who's Better? Storm. She is more interesting, powerful and dynamic. She is, however, harder to write for and therefore one of the more inconsistent characters in the x-family.

[Mind Shadow]

That's very true.
Although I can defend Storm with my OWN X-Men continuity knowledge, but I'm really lazy right now. Maybe tomorrow.

[FieryBalrog]

Bah. I feel "Put in my place" by all-ya'lls superior knowledge of X-men continuity. I still maintain Cyc has more trophies on his mantle simply because he's been team leader the longest.

Who's Better? Storm. She is more interesting, powerful and dynamic. She is, however, harder to write for and therefore one of the more inconsistent characters in the x-family.

I think they're both real interesting characters. There isn't one of the main X-men that I don't find interesting. But I do think Cyke is a better leader. All those mistakes I pointed out were from just one incident under Storm's leadership (Mutant Massacre). Won't even go into the rest of it :D

And for the record, although I find Cyke interesting, I also hate him right now :p

[LordAllMighty]

Wasn't Storm incharge of the Morlocks? How'd that go for her?

The Morlocks are doing fine as far as we know. AAMOF, last time I checked most of them where relocated to Africa by Storm, which is oddly enough the same place she living right now after the events of M-Day. Hmmmm....

Wasn't she a Queen of something in Africa? How are they doing?

She wasn't a Queen.

Storm forgetting to bring Magneto (good move, leave the most powerful guy to babysit...)

What!?! He was there to protect the New Mutant, you know, the young inexperience kids of the X-Mansion. Storm left arguable the most powerful mutant on the planet to protect the next generation of students. That not a bad thing.

Storm leaving Logan by himself to "bring back a prisoner"

Non-factor, seeing that he accomplished exactly what she wanted

[QUOTE=FieryBalrog]Storm abandoning the Morlocks after she just shook up their whole power structure.

Uh...Storm didn't abandon the Morlocks. Read the story again

A hell of a lot of Morlocks dying, and several teammates getting injured badly.

First of all, it was a surprise attack, Storm wasn't even there when the Morlockes where attacked.

Secondly, you act like a X-Men has never been hurt during battle.

[FieryBalrog]

The Morlocks are doing fine as far as we know. AAMOF, last time I checked most of them where relocated to Africa by Storm, which is oddly enough the same place she living right now after the events of M-Day. Hmmmm....



I think he's talking about during the time when she was actually in charge of the Morlocks.


She wasn't a Queen.



What!?! He was there to protect the New Mutant, you know, the young inexperience kids of the X-Mansion. Storm left arguable the most powerful mutant on the planet to protect the next generation of students. That not a bad thing.


It was a poor tactical decision. Magneto would have been a huge advantage over the Marauders (the actual battleground) and other people could have babysat the New Mutants.

You dont leave your most powerful asset at home...


Storm leaving Logan by himself to "bring back a prisoner"

Non-factor, seeing that he accomplished exactly what she wanted



Uh...Storm didn't abandon the Morlocks. Read the story again


I have read it recently. How do you call what she did "not abandoning" them? She tries to kill their leader in the challenge, then when she's the new leader she delegates all her responsibility. And she tells them to come live in the mansion, basically telling them to abandon the community and culture they've created and drastically shake up their whole way of life; when they obviously dont accept, she runs off.



First of all, it was a surprise attack, Storm wasn't even there when the Morlockes where attacked.

Secondly, you act like a X-Men has never been hurt during battle.

X-men have been hurt during battle, but these injuries were serious enough to leave Kitty, Kurt and Peter off the team for a long, long time.

[LordAllMighty]

It was a poor tactical decision. Magneto would have been a huge advantage over the Marauders (the actual battleground) and other people could have babysat the New Mutants.

You dont leave your most powerful asset at home...

You do when your trying to protect something more important.

I have read it recently. How do you call what she did "not abandoning" them? She tries to kill their leader in the challenge, then when she's the new leader she delegates all her responsibility. And she tells them to come live in the mansion, basically telling them to abandon the community and culture they've created and drastically shake up their whole way of life; when they obviously dont accept, she runs off.

That not what happened. Your making it sound like that after Storm defeated Callisto, she never return to the Morlockes, which is not ture. There are a number of issues later in the series showing Storm's interacting with the Morlockes as their leader.

X-men have been hurt during battle, but these injuries were serious enough to leave Kitty, Kurt and Peter off the team for a long, long time.

Again you making it sound like people have never been injuried as X-Men.

[the Hornet]

Cyclops is the better leader. He keeps his act together most of the time even during the most stressful times. He broods but does not let it affect his performance.

Storm tends to overdo things and broods too. I remember that shortly after getting her mohawk, while fighting Mastermind, she almost drowned the entire team with her rainstorm.....

[Christopher O]

Bad things happen to good leaders. Go by what is happening now. Storm is eatting grapes in some palace and Cyclops is trying to save people.

I know "Storm is off saving mutants in Africa," what mutants I don't know. Funny how the only person that followed her for about an hour was Wolverine. :)

Last I checked, Storm was in Africa liberating slaves and trying to curb the M-Day backlash. From what we've seen, she hasn't been to any palaces, and certainly not T'Challa's, which is what you were alluding to, I assume. If anyone has been sitting around, it's Scott and the X-Men. Everything they've done lately has been reactive, whereas Storm is being proactive, and she's doing it, essentially, on her own. Logan's helping some, but it's basically Storm protecting a contintent.

Anyway, as the to issue at hand, I enjoy both Scott and Storm leading the X-Men, and I'd really like to see them leading together, as equals. Scott is the superior strategist, but I belive Storm is more equipped to deal with the big picture.

[dazzler_slave]

Is everyone still arguing about this? I thought we established long ago that Storm is the best leader by far!!! :D

Seriously, tho, both have their strengths and both have their weaknesses. They are BOTH good leaders in their way. The person you prefer is a reflection of the type of leadership you prefer. If you like military-style, little emotion, order following type leadership, then Cyke is your man. If you prefer following a leader that inspires you emotionally to be your very best then you prefer Storm. Neither are wrong, it is just 2 different ways to lead.

[Jellobay]

:eek: Last I checked, Storm was in Africa liberating slaves and trying to curb the M-Day backlash. From what we've seen, she hasn't been to any palaces, and certainly not T'Challa's, which is what you were alluding to, I assume. If anyone has been sitting around, it's Scott and the X-Men. Everything they've done lately has been reactive, whereas Storm is being proactive, and she's doing it, essentially, on her own. Logan's helping some, but it's basically Storm protecting a contintent.

Anyway, as the to issue at hand, I enjoy both Scott and Storm leading the X-Men, and I'd really like to see them leading together, as equals. Scott is the superior strategist, but I belive Storm is more equipped to deal with the big picture.

Man I did know people on here take what I say as fact. :eek:

But as for holding back the M-day backlash ... Please tell me the names of the mutants she is saving.

[Kal]

Is everyone still arguing about this? I thought we established long ago that Storm is the best leader by far!!! :D


Beats me. I see that Jellobay has some new recruits :rolleyes:

[Jellobay]

Beats me. I see that Jellobay has some new recruits :rolleyes:

Its an underground movement. I have been passing out pamphlets. Getting the word out to the people. :D

[LordAllMighty]

Its an underground movement. I have been passing out pamphlets. Getting the word out to the people. :D

Send e-mail, it's easier :D

[Jellobay]

Send e-mail, it's easier :D

But then you don't get the personal connection, let the people know you really care. :)

Its all about eye contact. ;)

[Effect]

:eek:

Man I did know people on here take what I say as fact. :eek:

But as for holding back the M-day backlash ... Please tell me the names of the mutants she is saving.

Is saving mutants the only way to deal with the M-day backlash? How about stopping people that might have been held in check by the very nature of mutants that are or were willing to hurt anyone mutant or non-mutant. Not saying that is the case but is saving mutants the only way to go about it? Isn't that like working at the end of the problem instead of going for the source or other parts? Just wondering.

[Kal]

Its an underground movement. I have been passing out pamphlets. Getting the word out to the people. :D

:eek: You don't have to do that! Everyone already knows that Storm is better. Thanks for the help though. :p

But seriously, Scott and Ororo are the best leaders the X-Men ever had(have there been any others? lol)

[Jellobay]

Is saving mutants the only way to deal with the M-day backlash? How about stopping people that might have been held in check by the very nature of mutants that are or were willing to hurt anyone mutant or non-mutant. Not saying that is the case but is saving mutants the only way to go about it? Isn't that like working at the end of the problem instead of going for the source or other parts? Just wondering.

All I am looking for is examples for what she is doing. Everyone keeps telling me Storm is a great leader because she left, but no one wants to give me examples of how she is leading there.
She might be leading by example, but give me the example. :)

[Jellobay]

:eek: You don't have to do that! Everyone already knows that Storm is better. Thanks for the help though. :p

But seriously, Scott and Ororo are the best leaders the X-Men ever had(have there been any others? lol)

That is why I am to get out there. There are a lot of misguided people in the world. ;)

I'm waiting for the who is a better leader Havok or Nightcrawler thread. :D

[Jellobay]

Cyclops, cyclops, cyclops.

[Mind Shadow]

You know what? Fine.
Just to shut you up Jelly Boy, here's examples of Storm's Leadership:

Australian Outback was ALL HER BABY!!
X-Treme X-Men WAS ALL HER BABY!!
Certain points of Uncanny X-Men WAS ALL HER BABY!!
The Morlock Mutants WAS ALL HER BABY!!
African Mutants WAS ALL HER BABY!!

Need more? :rolleyes:
Kal, you really need to strike Jelly Boy with lightning or something. :p

[Jellobay]

You know what? Fine.
Just to shut you up Jelly Boy, here's examples of Storm's Leadership:

Australian Outback was ALL HER BABY!!
X-Treme X-Men WAS ALL HER BABY!!
Certain points of Uncanny X-Men WAS ALL HER BABY!!
The Morlock Mutants WAS ALL HER BABY!!
African Mutants WAS ALL HER BABY!!

Need more? :rolleyes:
Kal, you really need to strike Jelly Boy with lightning or something. :p

I meant I want an example of what she is doing post M-Day.
African Mutants? Is that a punk rock group? ;)
Morlocks, you sure you want to give her credit for all the misery?
X-treme X-men, I'm glad X-men don't stay dead.
Austrailian Outback, had some cool stories, but they were hiding out then just like she is now. Maybe a partern.
Certain points of Uncanny was all her yes, but you can say the for almost all the X-men.

I like you Mind Shadow you make me smile dude. :)

[Mind Shadow]

:rolleyes: My head hurts.
Give me a couple of days and I'll get back to you.

[Sentinel K]

You know what? Fine.
Just to shut you up Jelly Boy, here's examples of Storm's Leadership:

Australian Outback was ALL HER BABY!!
X-Treme X-Men WAS ALL HER BABY!!
Certain points of Uncanny X-Men WAS ALL HER BABY!!
The Morlock Mutants WAS ALL HER BABY!!
African Mutants WAS ALL HER BABY!!

Need more? :rolleyes:
Kal, you really need to strike Jelly Boy with lightning or something. :p

These are examples of her leading the X-Men, sure.

But how exactly does this list illustrate how she is a better leader than Scott?

[Jake V]

You know what? Fine.
Just to shut you up Jelly Boy, here's examples of Storm's Leadership:

Australian Outback was ALL HER BABY!!
X-Treme X-Men WAS ALL HER BABY!!
Certain points of Uncanny X-Men WAS ALL HER BABY!!
The Morlock Mutants WAS ALL HER BABY!!
African Mutants WAS ALL HER BABY!!

Need more? :rolleyes:
Kal, you really need to strike Jelly Boy with lightning or something. :p
Are you Claremont? Only Claremont has this level of love for a fictional character.

[Mind Shadow]

No, I'm not Claremont and--
:rolleyes:

[Jellobay]

No, I'm not Claremont and--
:rolleyes:

Your a cool dude MS. :)

[Mind Shadow]

I'm 14. :cool:

[Jellobay]

I'm 14. :cool:

So you can still be cool and 14. My daughter is 14 and she is cool. My sons is 16 and he is a pain in the butt, but on a good day he is cool. :)

[FieryBalrog]

You know what? Fine.
Just to shut you up Jelly Boy, here's examples of Storm's Leadership:

Australian Outback was ALL HER BABY!!
X-Treme X-Men WAS ALL HER BABY!!
Certain points of Uncanny X-Men WAS ALL HER BABY!!
The Morlock Mutants WAS ALL HER BABY!!
African Mutants WAS ALL HER BABY!!

Need more? :rolleyes:
Kal, you really need to strike Jelly Boy with lightning or something. :p


Those are some great examples of why Storm is a weak leader.

X-treme X-men, she loses Psylocke
Morlock Massacre, single greatest leadership fiasco happens under Storm's watch.
African Mutants, she abandons the X-men for Africa.

not sure which Uncanny arcs youre talking about, but during one of her leadership runs she abandons the team because she gets depowered.

[DoubleShot]

You know what? Fine.
Just to shut you up Jelly Boy, here's examples of Storm's Leadership:

Australian Outback was ALL HER BABY!!
X-Treme X-Men WAS ALL HER BABY!!
Certain points of Uncanny X-Men WAS ALL HER BABY!!
The Morlock Mutants WAS ALL HER BABY!!
African Mutants WAS ALL HER BABY!!

Need more? :rolleyes:
Kal, you really need to strike Jelly Boy with lightning or something. :p

Usually a lot of jobs mean you don't do your job very well. Cyclops has been leader of how many now? 2 teams? Let's talk loyalty.

FieryBalrog made a good point. What is the body count between the two leaders? I only remember 3 from Cyclops being leader which are Thunderhawk, Phoenix, and Jean Grey. Storm's got Psylocke, dead Morlocks and who else? Let's talk injures also. Who under what leadership had to leave the team due to injuries?

Heck when you think about it weren't the X-Men being led by Storm when they went through the Seige Perilous that scattered the team and forced them to lose their memories which effectivly disbanded the team if at least for a while?

I'd feel safer with Cyclops!

[unkiedev]

But then you don't get the personal connection, let the people know you really care. :)

Its all about eye contact. ;)
Now we know who the best leader is: Jellobaby.

And big ups to LordAlmighty. You are our best asset in the War against Cyclops. You know everything, man! Keep up the Good Work!

[unkiedev]

Usually a lot of jobs mean you don't do your job very well. Cyclops has been leader of how many now? 2 teams? Let's talk loyalty.

FieryBalrog made a good point. What is the body count between the two leaders? I only remember 3 from Cyclops being leader which are Thunderhawk, Phoenix, and Jean Grey. Storm's got Psylocke, dead Morlocks and who else? Let's talk injures also. Who under what leadership had to leave the team due to injuries?

Heck when you think about it weren't the X-Men being led by Storm when they went through the Seige Perilous that scattered the team and forced them to lose their memories which effectivly disbanded the team if at least for a while?

I'd feel safer with Cyclops!
Bah! Who cares about dying when you are in the x-men. Here is a quick list of "Dead" x-men: Cyclops, Jean Grey, Colossus, Prof. X, need I go on? So Psylock is dead, eh? Is that why she's been in both Uncanny and Excalibur lately?

and AGAIN: Cyclops lost an entire team to the Living Island. Who knows: After Deadly Genesis we might find out he lost TWO teams to the Living Island.

[jeangreydp]

I like Storm

But, Cyclops is a babe. And he's all repressed so he's got layers. And sunglasses all the time, even at night like Corey Hart :cool:

[Kal]

I like Storm

But, Cyclops is a babe. And he's all repressed so he's got layers. And sunglasses all the time, even at night like Corey Hart :cool:

What does your post mean? That Storm is better? I hope so, you better support you favorite character's best friend or you'll have to answer to me :mad: :p

[jeangreydp]

What does your post mean? That Storm is better? I hope so, you better support you favorite character's best friend or you'l