Who's Better: Cyclops or Storm?

[Karl J. Barnes]

I don't buy it, I think she's being brainwashed like Katie Holmes.

So you are saying that Black Panther is a Scienctologist!?!?

[Brian M.]

So you are saying that Black Panther is a Scienctologist!?!?

Might be...he does have all this fancy technology...could be from the Aliens. Zenu is powerfuler...according to the South Park kids. Scientologists already got one powerful Black Man in Chef...why not Storm too?

[Karl J. Barnes]

Might be...he does have all this fancy technology...could be from the Aliens. Zenu is powerfuler...according to the South Park kids. Scientologists already got one powerful Black Man in Chef...why not Storm too?

I CURSE YOU TOM CRUISE!!!!!

[unkiedev]

Fashion: Edge to STORM.

Thieving Abilities: Edge to STORM.

uhm, knife throwing ability?: EDGE TO STORM!

Remeber when Storm had the Mutants lie low in Australia because they were wanted terrorists? Good idea. Remember when Scott had almost every MUTANT ON THE PLANET at the Official x-building during one of their most crucial and vunerable times? What's the expression about putting eggs in one basket? Oh well, Scott & Emma will figure it out with their superior leadership skills.

[Jellobay]

Fashion: Edge to STORM.

Thieving Abilities: Edge to STORM.

uhm, knife throwing ability?: EDGE TO STORM!

Remeber when Storm had the Mutants lie low in Australia because they were wanted terrorists? Good idea. Remember when Scott had almost every MUTANT ON THE PLANET at the Official x-building during one of their most crucial and vunerable times? What's the expression about putting eggs in one basket? Oh well, Scott & Emma will figure it out with their superior leadership skills.

Stealing, running and hiding = Storm's leadership

[Brian M.]

Optic Blast Abilities: Cyclops Wins

Coolest Sunglasses: Cyclops Wins

Loving Most Redheads: Cyclops Wins

Bigger Wang: Storm Wins

[Jellobay]

Currently in the poll - Cyclops Wins. :)

[unkiedev]

Currently in the poll - Cyclops Wins. :)
Classic Jellobaby. The countless times (That's right, COUNTLESS!) Storm was ahead in the polls it is nothing but disparaging fwaffle! Soon as Scott's ahead: CLOSE THE POLLS! :rolleyes:

Scott is a stuffed shirt loser. If he couldn't fire optic blasts outta' his eyes, he woulda been a no-good, lowlife two bit Fast food employee.

If STORM wasn't a mutant, she would still have lead an exciting life as a queen of thieves on the streets of Africa!

[Jellobay]

Classic Jellobaby. The countless times (That's right, COUNTLESS!) Storm was ahead in the polls it is nothing but disparaging fwaffle! Soon as Scott's ahead: CLOSE THE POLLS! :rolleyes:

Scott is a stuffed shirt loser. If he couldn't fire optic blasts outta' his eyes, he woulda been a no-good, lowlife two bit Fast food employee.

If STORM wasn't a mutant, she would still have lead an exciting life as a queen of thieves on the streets of Africa!

First, Jellobay is always classic. ;)

Storm would be a stipper in Calcutta, stealing the wallets of the people she was giving lap dances too.

[unkiedev]

First, Jellobay is always classic. ;)

Storm would be a stipper in Calcutta, stealing the wallets of the people she was giving lap dances too.
I'm with you on the first point, however that second point.....Them's fightin' words! You're just being mean.

[Jellobay]

I'm with you on the first point, however that second point.....Them's fightin' words! You're just being mean.

Like say Cyclops would be a fry cook, wasn't low. :)

[Brian M.]

Classic Jellobaby. The countless times (That's right, COUNTLESS!) Storm was ahead in the polls it is nothing but disparaging fwaffle! Soon as Scott's ahead: CLOSE THE POLLS! :rolleyes:

Scott is a stuffed shirt loser. If he couldn't fire optic blasts outta' his eyes, he woulda been a no-good, lowlife two bit Fast food employee.

If STORM wasn't a mutant, she would still have lead an exciting life as a queen of thieves on the streets of Africa!

Wasn't Storm also a hooker?

[Jellobay]

Wasn't Storm also a hooker?

The term is escort.

[unkiedev]

Like say Cyclops would be a fry cook, wasn't low. :)
I'm not trying to be controversial, but I'm not sure it gets much lower then a stripper in calcutta.

It's established: Before Prof. X contacted scot he was an angry orphan who lashed out and caused trouble. He had no skills. He had no goals or ambitions. He was just another troubled American youth. Without his powers he probably would have ended up in pretty crime or a low end job.

If Storm never developed powers she would have been a successful pickpocket/burglar in Africa. She could have parlayed that into a criminal empire, who knows? I admit she'd be in Crime, maybe even dying young from a crime gone bad. I just think there is more potential there for her to rise then him:

Storm is a very self made person. If Scott didn't have Chucky X in his life he would have been a low life hood.

[Brian M.]

The term is escort.
I thought it was Goddess?

[unkiedev]

Wasn't Storm also a hooker?
this is just so typical. Attack a strong woman by calling her a whore and a stripper.

[Jellobay]

I'm not trying to be controversial, but I'm not sure it gets much lower then a stripper in calcutta.

It's established: Before Prof. X contacted scot he was an angry orphan who lashed out and caused trouble. He had no skills. He had no goals or ambitions. He was just another troubled American youth. Without his powers he probably would have ended up in pretty crime or a low end job.

If Storm never developed powers she would have been a successful pickpocket/burglar in Africa. She could have parlayed that into a criminal empire, who knows? I admit she'd be in Crime, maybe even dying young from a crime gone bad. I just think there is more potential there for her to rise then him:

Storm is a very self made person. If Scott didn't have Chucky X in his life he would have been a low life hood.


Now that was a big jump in logic there. Storm was already a crook. Cyclops was just angry he thought his parents were dead. He had to jump out of a plane while holding on to his younger brother. To me that shows character.
Storm just showed she had no morals. She was happy being a pick pocket.
To say Cyclops would be a low life hood is a big stretch. Forgive the guy for being angry that is life seemed ruined. He didn't turn to crime.
Storm parents died and that is what she did. Now who is the low life. :)

[Jellobay]

this is just so typical. Attack a strong woman by calling her a whore and a stripper.

Attack an orphan, by calling him a low life.

[Jellobay]

I thought it was Goddess?

No that is her "dancing name".

[Brian M.]

this is just so typical. Attack a strong woman by calling her a whore and a stripper.

No I believe it was sad somewhere, some issue, understated that she also did some other things while she was in the pockets of others.

Jean's a strong woman, Betsy is a strong woman, Rogue is a strong woman, Dani is a strong woman, Kitty is a strong woman, Sage is a strong woman, hell Emma's a strong woman but none of them are whores...well Emma...but still.

[unkiedev]

Now that was a big jump in logic there. Storm was already a crook. Cyclops was just angry he thought his parents were dead. He had to jump out of a plane while holding on to his younger brother. To me that shows character.
Storm just showed she had no morals. She was happy being a pick pocket.
To say Cyclops would be a low life hood is a big stretch. Forgive the guy for being angry that is life seemed ruined. He didn't turn to crime.
Storm parents died and that is what she did. Now who is the low life. :)
Storm lived in a third world country. There was no "child services" to put her into a lousy orphanage.
And the Reason I said Scott would end up no where is because he had no initiative. Storm was at least resourceful.

And I will appologize to all orphans in the world for my unintended slight if you and UTVol8102 appologize to all women for your's.

[Brian M.]

Storm lived in a third world country. There was no "child services" to put her into a lousy orphanage.
And the Reason I said Scott would end up no where is because he had no initiative. Storm was at least resourceful.

And I will appologize to all orphans in the world for my unintended slight if you and UTVol8102 appologize to all women for your's.

I didn't make any comments to all the women. I made a comment on Storm. I believe it was stated that when she got older the people she worked for also made her a hooker. That's not bashing her. If I'm wrong on that than I can admit I'm wrong.

[unkiedev]

I didn't make any comments to all the women. I made a comment on Storm. I believe it was stated that when she got older the people she worked for also made her a hooker. That's not bashing her. If I'm wrong on that than I can admit I'm wrong.
no, I hear you. Can you site sources?

There was an awful trend in 80-90's comics (started by Miller) that all women had to be whores at some point. Catwoman, Karen Page, everybody had to be a whore. I wouldn't be suprised if someone (Even Claremont) fell victim to this craptastic trend.

[Brian M.]

no, I hear you. Can you site sources?

There was an awful trend in 80-90's comics (started by Miller) that all women had to be whores at some point. Catwoman, Karen Page, everybody had to be a whore. I wouldn't be suprised if someone (Even Claremont) fell victim to this craptastic trend.

If I had a source I'd have stated it. It's a vague remembering from somewhere. Just becuase it was stated during an era where some woman were made like that doesn't mean it can be ignored. DDM or Fishtaco could probably answer it.

[unkiedev]

If I had a source I'd have stated it. It's a vague remembering from somewhere. Just becuase it was stated during an era where some woman were made like that doesn't mean it can be ignored. DDM or Fishtaco could probably answer it.
Please. It's comic books, any part can be ignored. You think Marvel really gives a dang about Continuity? How old are the classic X-men now? They were 16 in 68, so that would make them... 35 now, or late twenties for bobby?

[Jellobay]

Storm lived in a third world country. There was no "child services" to put her into a lousy orphanage.
And the Reason I said Scott would end up no where is because he had no initiative. Storm was at least resourceful.

And I will appologize to all orphans in the world for my unintended slight if you and UTVol8102 appologize to all women for your's.

But how can you say he had no initiative. You assume the worst for him, so I was doing the same to Storm, in a subtle way of showing you it is absurd.
And in no way are we insulting all women, Storm fans maybe, but not all women. ;)

[Brian M.]

Please. It's comic books, any part can be ignored. You think Marvel really gives a dang about Continuity? How old are the classic X-men now? They were 16 in 68, so that would make them... 35 now, or late twenties for bobby?

Ok well if that's the case that we can ignore the parts we don't like than this whole arguement is gonna be mute. I'm gonna ignore the parts where Cyclops screwed up and your'll ignore the parts where Storm did too.

[unkiedev]

Ok well if that's the case that we can ignore the parts we don't like than this whole arguement is gonna be mute. I'm gonna ignore the parts where Cyclops screwed up and your'll ignore the parts where Storm did too.
I like the way you think, brother! ;) On that note, the polls are tied up.

[Jellobay]

I like the way you think, brother! ;) On that note, the polls are tied up.

I want a recount. ;)

[LordAllMighty]

Just for the record, Storm has never been a "Lady Of The Night".

She was almost raped but she end up killing the guy with a knife. This is one of the reason why she want kill now.

[Jellobay]

Just for the record, Storm has never been a "Lady Of The Night".

She was almost raped but she end up killing the guy with a knife. This is one of the reason why she want kill now.

What do you me wont kill now? She rips out little girls hearts.

[unkiedev]

Now that was a big jump in logic there. Storm was already a crook. Cyclops was just angry he thought his parents were dead. He had to jump out of a plane while holding on to his younger brother. To me that shows character.
Storm just showed she had no morals. She was happy being a pick pocket.
To say Cyclops would be a low life hood is a big stretch. Forgive the guy for being angry that is life seemed ruined. He didn't turn to crime.
Storm parents died and that is what she did. Now who is the low life. :)
Well, it is starting to sound like this whole "prostitute" thing is a smear campaign tactic concocted by "No Sources" UTVol8102 and ran with by "I'm with UTVol8102" Jellobaby.

I'd like to get back to the above mentioned quote. So you like Scott because he "Shows Character" for being pushed out of a plane by his dead-beat dad, and a few posts later you want to argue that Storm is somehow not as good a person because you believed her to be a hooker (which she probably wasn't).

Storm had to deal with a far tougher life then Scott, and turned out a much better person. MAKE MINE STORM!

[Jellobay]

Well, it is starting to sound like this whole "prostitute" thing is a smear campaign tactic concocted by "No Sources" UTVol8102 and ran with by "I'm with UTVol8102" Jellobaby.

I'd like to get back to the above mentioned quote. So you like Scott because he "Shows Character" for being pushed out of a plane by his dead-beat dad, and a few posts later you want to argue that Storm is somehow not as good a person because you believed her to be a hooker (which she probably wasn't).

Storm had to deal with a far tougher life then Scott, and turned out a much better person. MAKE MINE STORM!

Now I said Storm was a thief and a stipper not a hooker. ;)

But how did Storm turn out to be a better person. Cyclops did steal, Cyclops did run and hide.
I just saying it is upsurd to call Scott the lowlife, when Storm is the one with the criminal record. :)

[Brian M.]

Hey buddy I said if I'm wrong, I'd be happy to admit it so you take the attitude you have and jam it up your ass. I was wrong about the Storm stuff. So I don't get the attitude that your displaying, it's pointless, it's over two characters that are FICTIONAL!!!. Ok. So calm down. Put down the Storm dirty pictures you've drawn and relax.

Smear Campiagn? Honestly? Seriously? That's what this is?

Going to your post how is Scott's Dad a dead-beat? He gave his one method of escape to his two children while he thought him and his wife were going to die...so that's dead-beat to you?

I don't really see how Storm had it any harder than Scott. He was raised in multiple ophranages before coming to Sinister's. He was experimented on, he was used by Jack Diamonds as a criminal. He's seen his loved ones over and over die and get hurt. He sent his kid to the future to save him...how is that an easy life?

[Kal]

Brian can you please close this poll why Cyclops is in the lead.

Thank you. :)

What?!?!?!? :rolleyes: Storm is leading. :p

[Jellobay]

What?!?!?!? :rolleyes: Storm is leading. :p

I know it makes me sad.

Its like when Bush won. :D

There are some (62) silly people out there. :)

[fireball87o]

Hey buddy I said if I'm wrong, I'd be happy to admit it so you take the attitude you have and jam it up your ass. I was wrong about the Storm stuff. So I don't get the attitude that your displaying, it's pointless, it's over two characters that are FICTIONAL!!!.

Scott and Storm are so not FICTIONAL and you know it!

they exist if you believe! ;)

[Brian M.]

I know it makes me sad.

Its like when Bush won. :D

There are some (62) silly people out there. :)

Hey now...

[unkiedev]

Hey buddy I said if I'm wrong, I'd be happy to admit it so you take the attitude you have and jam it up your ass. I was wrong about the Storm stuff. So I don't get the attitude that your displaying, it's pointless, it's over two characters that are FICTIONAL!!!. Ok. So calm down. Put down the Storm dirty pictures you've drawn and relax.

Smear Campiagn? Honestly? Seriously? That's what this is?

Going to your post how is Scott's Dad a dead-beat? He gave his one method of escape to his two children while he thought him and his wife were going to die...so that's dead-beat to you?

I don't really see how Storm had it any harder than Scott. He was raised in multiple ophranages before coming to Sinister's. He was experimented on, he was used by Jack Diamonds as a criminal. He's seen his loved ones over and over die and get hurt. He sent his kid to the future to save him...how is that an easy life?
Let's not get personal, now. I never got personal. I totally agree with you these are fictional folks, so lets all calm down.

I said Scott's dad was a deadbeat because in my opinion he is. He never really made much of an effort to get back to Earth, or be a presence in Scotts "Life".

Storm did have the tougher (Fictitious) life. Her momma and poppa blew up, an orphan on the streets, had to resort to crime, had to kill a rapist to survive. How does that compare to Scott shifting from orphanage to orphanage?

As far, Jellobaby, as "But how did Storm turn out to be a better person", That was me just stating the truth. Storm is a better "fictitious" person. This is true because it's my oppinion. :p

If it's any consolation I also believe in Bigfoot and enjoy the movies "George of the Jungle" and "The Stupids".

[Brian M.]

Scott had to deal w/ what he thought were dead parents aswell. He was used in crim aswell. They had similar lives.

[Jellobay]

Let's not get personal, now. I never got personal. I totally agree with you these are fictional folks, so lets all calm down.

I said Scott's dad was a deadbeat because in my opinion he is. He never really made much of an effort to get back to Earth, or be a presence in Scotts "Life".

Storm did have the tougher (Fictitious) life. Her momma and poppa blew up, an orphan on the streets, had to resort to crime, had to kill a rapist to survive. How does that compare to Scott shifting from orphanage to orphanage?

As far, Jellobaby, as "But how did Storm turn out to be a better person", That was me just stating the truth. Storm is a better "fictitious" person. This is true because it's my oppinion. :p

If it's any consolation I also believe in Bigfoot and enjoy the movies "George of the Jungle" and "The Stupids".

But then don't get upset if UT says Storm is a Hooker. That is his opinion, just as Cyclop is a dead beat is yours. :)
And my opion is I thing Storm would be a great dancer. ;) Ballet that is.

[Mind Shadow]

As the official poster of this topic, I would like to close the voting polls. ;)

[fishtaco]

Yes! Close it, before Cyke catches up! :D

[Mind Shadow]

Yes! Close it, before Cyke catches up! :D

Fishtaco, I am honored to use my 100th posting to give you a high five! Woot WOot! Celebrate!! Gimme my anniversary present and CLOSE THE VOTING POLLS!! :D

::confetti and springers shoots everywhere::
... dustball rolls by.... :rolleyes:

[Faded]

LOL It amuses me that everytime I visit the thread, every other time Storm is winning by 2 and the other times Cyclops is winning by 2.

[Kal]

I guess the thread can be locked now. We have a clear winner.

[JamesCole120]

storm, cyclosp is just so boring and serious, and storm has an awsome power

[Jellobay]

I guess the thread can be locked now. We have a clear winner.

I lost my faith in humanity again. :(

[Red Lotus]

If you are looking for a single powerful mutant then you pick Storn. But if you need some one to lead Cyclops is the guy. Outside of Cap there is not a better lead in the Marvel U.

Bishop said it best. Cyclops is the greatest X-men leader ever.

[Faded]

Jello, stop creating new accounts to vote for Cyclops!!! ;)

Its time to pull the plug...on Cyclops. :)

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Storm was a great leader in the 8-'s-90's w/o powers.
I haven't really seen much recently as a leader, but remember how well she maneuvered back then, without the guidance of Charlie or Erik.

[Jellobay]

Jello, stop creating new accounts to vote for Cyclops!!! ;)

Its time to pull the plug...on Cyclops. :)


Speaking of which Faded, you should see some of the posters that voted or Storm.

Something is just not right (well there is something even more not right with them, besides voting for Storm.)

Die, chamber, die. :D

[Brian M.]

Speaking of which Faded, you should see some of the posters that voted or Storm.

Something is just not right (well there is something even more not right with them, besides voting for Storm.)

Die, chamber, die. :D

Lets go dance on Scanner's grave and Preview's.

[mattbib]

Storm was a great leader in the 8-'s-90's w/o powers.The Morlocks disagree.

[spoon_jenkins]

Speaking of which Faded, you should see some of the posters that voted or Storm.

Something is just not right (well there is something even more not right with them, besides voting for Storm.)
Scarlet Storm and Storm Fan 1 each have only posted once on CBR. Guess where?

[xakko]

just because people vote one way doesn't make it true.

they both are great characters. well, cyke USED to be, IMO, and has had flashes of that post "Twelve". storm can still be great, sometimes she gets a little too uber for my tastes, and i don't know how her impending marriage will treat her.

if i needed one leader for the X-men, however, my money's on Scott.

[Brian M.]

just because people vote one way doesn't make it true.

they both are great characters. well, cyke USED to be, IMO, and has had flashes of that post "Twelve". storm can still be great, sometimes she gets a little too uber for my tastes, and i don't know how her impending marriage will treat her.

if i needed one leader for the X-men, however, my money's on Scott.

When I get the money, I'm gonna pull Dan Slott's Thing.

[Sentinel K]

Scarlet Storm and Storm Fan 1 each have only posted once on CBR. Guess where?

Suspicious isn't it!

Who would sign up just to vote in this thread?

Fishy.

[Brian M.]

Suspicious isn't it!

Who would sign up just to vote in this thread?

Fishy.

Voter Fruad...someone call the Democrats they'll wanna play the race card on this one too.

[Karl J. Barnes]

Voter Fruad...someone call the Democrats they'll wanna play the race card on this one too.

Or maybe someone should contact O'Reilly and Faux News....they could show some young girl getting killed in another country or how pagans are trying to ruin Christmas.

[Faded]

Noooo not Politics and UTVol8102!!! :eek:

Lets go dance on Scanner's grave and Preview's.

Preview laughs at your so-called 'dancing'. "Hahahaha!" she says!

Meanwhile, Scanner sits for a cup of tea...ALIVE... with her sexy depowered self. :cool:

*grumblesmumblesgrumbles*

[frogjitsu]

I don't know if I have a favorite. It depends on who is writing the comic at the time. I have to admit though, I tend to gravitate more to the books Storm is in. I like Scott alot better with Jean behind him. I really despise Emma write now and just the fact that Cyclops is with her makes me dislike him a little. I also feel that this Storm/BP mariage thing feels rushed and out of character. So right now, I'm dissapointed in both of them.

[Lawrence]

Seeing as the poll pretty much puts the two equal, who do you think would get more X-men supporting them should the two fall out over leadership stuff? After all, a leader needs a team to lead, otherwise their skills are wasted.

[Brian M.]

Seeing as the poll pretty much puts the two equal, who do you think would get more X-men supporting them should the two fall out over leadership stuff? After all, a leader needs a team to lead, otherwise their skills are wasted.

Jean, Bobby, Warren, Hank, Alex, Lorna and I think maybe Logan would go w/ Scott. The others I'm not too sure.

[LordAllMighty]

Seeing as the poll pretty much puts the two equal, who do you think would get more X-men supporting them should the two fall out over leadership stuff? After all, a leader needs a team to lead, otherwise their skills are wasted.

Interesting

Archangel, Iceman, Polaris, Beast, Jean, White Queen, Havok and maybe Cannonball would follow Cyke

Wolverine, Rogue, Dazzler, Psylocke, Bishop, Colossus, Shadowcat, Rachel, Nightcrawler, Gambit and maybe Sage would follow Storm

[Sentinel K]

Interesting

Archangel, Iceman, Polaris, Beast, Jean, White Queen, Havok and maybe Cannonball would follow Cyke

Wolverine, Rogue, Dazzler, Psylocke, Bishop, Colossus, Shadowcat, Rachel, Nightcrawler, Gambit and maybe Sage would follow Storm

I reckon Wolverine, as much as he likes Ororo, would actually go with Cyclops. It would be a hard decision though.

Maybe Bishop too. Isn't Cyclops a bit of a legend in his time?

[Zombienorthstar]

I reckon Wolverine, as much as he likes Ororo, would actually go with Cyclops. It would be a hard decision though.

Maybe Bishop too. Isn't Cyclops a bit of a legend in his time?


yeah but i think storm is a legend too...and he repects her judgement alot...it could go either way...

Logan ultimatley will do as he sees fit i think regardless of the person.

[Lawrence]

Here's my opinion of the subject:

Archangel: Definitely Cyclops, they've known each other for too long.
Iceman: Cyclops again, for the same reasons as above.
Beast: Ditto ^
Havok: Well... they're brothers
Polaris: How many times has she ever been on the same team as Ororo?
Wolverine: I say Storm, because ultimately, I don't think he even likes Scott.
Colossus: Storm. He's her "little brother".
Nightcrawler: Storm, I'm not sure he's that familiar with Cyclops.
Shadowcat: Storm, this one's obvious.
Rogue: Storm was the first one to trust her wasn't she?
Rachel: Storm. Because she resents that Scott's with Emma and she was one of the surviving X-men that she knew from DoFP.
Psylocke: Storm. Same as how she followed her on the X-treme team.
Dazzler: Storm. She spent the Outback days with her right? Has she ever met Cyclops apart from before the DPS?
Gambit: Storm. I get the feeling that he's not too keen on Cyclops, don't know why. And he seemed pretty close to her in X-treme.
Emma: Cyclops. They're loves him, duh. (With all her Predator's heart) But on reflecting the previous reference, wouldn't she do what's best for herself?
Bishop: I think Storm. She was as much of a legend to him as Cyclops I think. And she was the one to show him around initially. And he's often on her team.
Sage: I've never even seen Sage talk to Scott. But then again, I haven't read much Sage. Probably Storm.
Students: Probably Scott. Since Storm spends most of her time in Africa nowadays, they don't really know her whereas Scott is the Headmaster.

I counted 7 to Cyclops and 11 to Storm. I think I counted a bit wrong, but I'm too lazy to recount..

I've missed out Jean, Jubilee, Longshot and Xavier because currently, they're either dead, de-powered or I just have no idea at all. If I've missed someone important out, feel free to point it out to me.

[Sentinel K]

Here's my opinion of the subject:

Archangel: Definitely Cyclops, they've known each other for too long.
Iceman: Cyclops again, for the same reasons as above.
Beast: Ditto ^
Havok: Well... they're brothers
Polaris: How many times has she ever been on the same team as Ororo?
Wolverine: I say Storm, because ultimately, I don't think he even likes Scott.
Colossus: Storm. He's her "little brother".
Nightcrawler: Storm, I'm not sure he's that familiar with Cyclops.
Shadowcat: Storm, this one's obvious.
Rogue: Storm was the first one to trust her wasn't she?
Rachel: Storm. Because she resents that Scott's with Emma and she was one of the surviving X-men that she knew from DoFP.
Psylocke: Storm. Same as how she followed her on the X-treme team.
Dazzler: Storm. She spent the Outback days with her right? Has she ever met Cyclops apart from before the DPS?
Gambit: Storm. I get the feeling that he's not too keen on Cyclops, don't know why. And he seemed pretty close to her in X-treme.
Emma: Cyclops. They're loves him, duh. (With all her Predator's heart) But on reflecting the previous reference, wouldn't she do what's best for herself?
Bishop: I think Storm. She was as much of a legend to him as Cyclops I think. And she was the one to show him around initially. And he's often on her team.
Sage: I've never even seen Sage talk to Scott. But then again, I haven't read much Sage. Probably Storm.
Students: Probably Scott. Since Storm spends most of her time in Africa nowadays, they don't really know her whereas Scott is the Headmaster.

I counted 7 to Cyclops and 11 to Storm. I think I counted a bit wrong, but I'm too lazy to recount..

I've missed out Jean, Jubilee, Longshot and Xavier because currently, they're either dead, de-powered or I just have no idea at all. If I've missed someone important out, feel free to point it out to me.

Again, I'd disagree about Logan. I think he'd take the best leader over the person he likes better. And I reckon he'd consider Cyclops the better leader.

EDIT: And also, the fact that logan didn't leave with the X-treme team could show where his loyalties lie.

[Zombienorthstar]

Here's my opinion of the subject:


Rachel: Storm. Because she resents that Scott's with Emma and she was one of the surviving X-men that she knew from DoFP.
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Disagree...shes made her peace with that...look at the recent issues of Uncanny where she was sneaking out...scotts more fatherly to he rin that than ever before...they have a great relationship at this point...same as in Deadly Genesis...there a real bond there.

[Lawrence]

I always took those moments to mean that she was willing to accept that Cyclops loves Emma and would tolerate it in order to receive Cyclops' fatherly attention, but still disapproves of Emma.

Actually, didn't Emma offer to give Rachel training at one point? Was that ever followed up? And why would she need it? I'd always been under the impression that Rachel's skills were pretty good and didn't expect her to need coaching...

[xakko]

Colossus: Storm. He's her "little brother".
no, I disagree. he cares for Ororo more, certainly, but I honestly think that he would feel that her "plan Omega" which lead to the Outback years was a failure of leadership, as it basically lead to more problems, especially the Maddy and Illyana aspects of Inferno, which eventually led to Illyana's death. Scott was his first leader, and, quite frankly, things went better for him with Cyclops leading.

Nightcrawler: Storm, I'm not sure he's that familiar with Cyclops.
again, most of what Kurt learned about leadership was under Cyclops. he didn't serve under Storm that long- just a smattering of issues, really. Then he went to Excalibur. And he had at least one heart to heart with Scott as fellow leaders, and seemed delighted to get Scott's approval in Excalibur #71.

Shadowcat: Storm, this one's obvious.
why? again, don't mistake affection for logic. I think you may be right on this point, but I don't feel it is that obvious.

Bishop: I think Storm. She was as much of a legend to him as Cyclops I think. And she was the one to show him around initially. And he's often on her team.
and yet, he stated explicitly that he considers Cyclops the X-men's greatest leader.

Sage: I've never even seen Sage talk to Scott. But then again, I haven't read much Sage. Probably Storm.
Sage would analyze it without emotion, and would most likely say Scott.

[LordAllMighty]

Again, I'd disagree about Logan. I think he'd take the best leader over the person he likes better. And I reckon he'd consider Cyclops the better leader.

Well that's still up for debate

EDIT: And also, the fact that logan didn't leave with the X-treme team could show where his loyalties lie.

IIRC, Logan didn't leave because Storm asked him to stay. Unlike Scott, Ororo doesn't fully trust Xavier, so she had Logan stay at the mansion to keep an eye on things. (See Uncanny X-Men 109)


Actually, didn't Emma offer to give Rachel training at one point? Was that ever followed up? And why would she need it? I'd always been under the impression that Rachel's skills were pretty good and didn't expect her to need coaching...

True, she was trained in the use of her abilities by Xavier but we have no idea how much she learned. While she is perhaps the most powerful psi on the planet she can still be overcome by more skillful telepaths (see Bogan and Emma). Besides, let's not forget that Emma held her own against the Phoenix Force for a couple of minutes. :)

especially the Maddy and Illyana aspects of Inferno, which eventually led to Illyana's death.

Storm had nothing to do with Maddy's madness. That falls all under Cyke for being a bad husband

again, most of what Kurt learned about leadership was under Cyclops. he didn't serve under Storm that long- just a smattering of issues, really. Then he went to Excalibur. And he had at least one heart to heart with Scott as fellow leaders, and seemed delighted to get Scott's approval in Excalibur #71.

Yet, he said that Storm was a good leader in Uncanny X-Men 465 (IIRC)

and yet, he stated explicitly that he considers Cyclops the X-men's greatest leader.

Yet, he's never been a member of Cyke's team.

Sage would analyze it without emotion, and would most likely say Scott.

Yet, she chose to follow Storm in Xtreme.

[FieryBalrog]

Storm was a great leader in the 8-'s-90's w/o powers.
I haven't really seen much recently as a leader, but remember how well she maneuvered back then, without the guidance of Charlie or Erik.

I remember how she almost got them all killed, failed to save the Morlocks, ran away from the team, got Kitty, Colossus and Nightcrawler injured...

[xakko]

Storm had nothing to do with Maddy's madness. That falls all under Cyke for being a bad husband
the X-men were removed from the mansion because they needed to set up the tension that would eventually turn into Inferno, but it manifested itself as Storm's "Plan Omega", which had nothing but disasterous effects. Just as the editorial decision to bring back Jean Grey manifested itself in the comics as Scott leaving Maddy (or, to be factual, leaving to see Jean, and Maddy stating that if he left, to not bother coming back.) If the X-men remain in New York, they would have necessarily encountered X-factor, and most likely, Scott would have tried to reconcile with his wife. He was not involved with Jean at that point, and certainly felt the obligation to Maddy that showed when he tried to find her. Maybe Jean moves on too, which would make some of the posters here happy. Regardless, there would have not been the incentive to choose S'ym's way, and thus no goblin queen.

Also, not making Illyana think they were dead, and being there for her in her battle for Limbo may have negated her own descent into the Darkchylde.

There was a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering from that decision, and Storm is to a certain extent responsible. It failed in the stated goal- it didn't protect their loved ones at all. Illyana (Colossus), Mystique (Rogue), Captain Britain & Jamie Braddock (Psylocke), Cyclops & Corsair (Havok) still had plenty of danger in their lives. I can't speak for Dazzler, but I really think if Phillip and Deborah Summers were in danger, it would be more from enemies of Scott than Alex. So who, exactly, were they protecting? What did they accomplish?

Yet, he said that Storm was a good leader in Uncanny X-Men 465 (IIRC)
saying that one is a good leader doesn't make the other a bad leader.

Yet, he's never been a member of Cyke's team.
so? I'm sorry, that isn't a logical argument. I thought we were asking who the X-men would consider the best leader. Bishop stated that Cyke was the greatest. 'Nuff said.

Yet, she chose to follow Storm in Xtreme.
again, your point? due to the misprint in the trade, I don't have the exact words, but didn't Ororo ask her?

Just because you prefer the mission of hunting down Destiny's diaries to being housed at the mansion (and doing commando raids into Genosha or Australia against Sentinels or whatever) doesn't say anything about the people leading. Sage's skillset would have made more sense with Storm's squad than fighting Sentinels.

[Brian M.]

Logan has stated quite a few times that he'd follow Cyclops to hell and back.

Also Kitty I think would choose Scott. She's seen him lead her whole life. He's done a good job.

[LordAllMighty]

I remember how she almost got them all killed, failed to save the Morlocks, ran away from the team, got Kitty, Colossus and Nightcrawler injured...

IIRC, we have already discussed this issue in this very thread. Do you really want to bring this up again?

the X-men were removed from the mansion because they needed to set up the tension that would eventually turn into Inferno, but it manifested itself as Storm's "Plan Omega", which had nothing but disasterous effects.

Explain?

Just as the editorial decision to bring back Jean Grey manifested itself in the comics as Scott leaving Maddy (or, to be factual, leaving to see Jean, and Maddy stating that if he left, to not bother coming back.) If the X-men remain in New York, they would have necessarily encountered X-factor, and most likely, Scott would have tried to reconcile with his wife. He was not involved with Jean at that point, and certainly felt the obligation to Maddy that showed when he tried to find her. Maybe Jean moves on too, which would make some of the posters here happy. Regardless, there would have not been the incentive to choose S'ym's way, and thus no goblin queen.

So in other words the editors made them do it.

Also, not making Illyana think they were dead, and being there for her in her battle for Limbo may have negated her own descent into the Darkchylde.

IIRC, Colossus did help her during one of her battle in Limbo. Also, her transformation into Darkchylde was going to happen no matter if Peter was there or not

There was a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering from that decision, and Storm is to a certain extent responsible. It failed in the stated goal- it didn't protect their loved ones at all. Illyana (Colossus), Mystique (Rogue), Captain Britain & Jamie Braddock (Psylocke), Cyclops & Corsair (Havok) still had plenty of danger in their lives.

That silly. It might have worked if the people you mention didn't put their lives in danger everyday. Also, if I remember correctly this was a team decision.

I can't speak for Dazzler, but I really think if Phillip and Deborah Summers were in danger, it would be more from enemies of Scott than Alex. So who, exactly, were they protecting? What did they accomplish?

I'm sorry you lost me here.:confused:

saying that one is a good leader doesn't make the other a bad leader.

I didn't say that.

so? I'm sorry, that isn't a logical argument. I thought we were asking who the X-men would consider the best leader. Bishop stated that Cyke was the greatest. 'Nuff said.

Yeah, but he also never knew Archangel had metal wings. He was a fanboy from the future who only had limited knowledge of the X-Men. So I wouldn't use his early opinion of the X-Men as actual fact on how he feel today. He been with the X-Men for many years now and has always been a part of Storm's team, so that should tell you where his loyalties lay.

again, your point? due to the misprint in the trade, I don't have the exact words, but didn't Ororo ask her?

As logical as Sage is, do you really think she would have joined Storm's team if she thought Storm wasn't a proper leader.:)

[xakko]

Explain?
removing the X-men from America to Australia was a plot device to keep them away from X-factor, as well as a way to "shake up" their world a bit.

So in other words the editors made them do it.
editorial mandated the Scott/Maddy breakup, CC was responsible for the Outback years, and I believe he had more planned, too, than what we got.

IIRC, Colossus did help her during one of her battle in Limbo. Also, her transformation into Darkchylde was going to happen no matter if Peter was there or not
yes, he helped her in #231. but she thought it was the result of her own necromantic spell. as for turning to the dark side, that was exacerbated by her going after Forge after the events in Dallas. also, given how big a threat Limbo had become, don't you think that the X-men would have helped out in the battle?

That silly. It might have worked if the people you mention didn't put their lives in danger everyday. Also, if I remember correctly this was a team decision...I'm sorry you lost me here.:confused:
My point is that it was Storm's plan, and not a very well thought out one. Everyone may have agreed, but as leader, she is responsible for the outcome. They were going to go underground to protect their friends and family, but if you look at the roster, most of their friends and family already was "living the life", as it were, so who exactly they hoped to protect was a reasonable question. And in the end, their sojourn through Australia ended up doing more harm than good, IMO

I didn't say that.
you said "Yet, he [Nightcrawler] said that Storm was a good leader in Uncanny X-Men 465 (IIRC)". My point was that whether Nightcrawler thinks of Storm as a good leader has no bearing on whether he thinks Cyclops or Storm is the best leader.

Yeah, but he also never knew Archangel had metal wings. He was a fanboy from the future who only had limited knowledge of the X-Men. So I wouldn't use his early opinion of the X-Men as actual fact on how he feel today. He been with the X-Men for many years now and has always been a part of Storm's team, so that should tell you where his loyalties lay.
are team assignments now based on choice? i thought it was more of an assignment thing. the X-treme squad was different, but that was a recruitment by Storm- she chose Bishop, not the other way around.

And, when the chips are down, such as when they were attacking Cable in "The Burnt Offering", Bishop served under Cyclops. Oh yeah. So did Storm.

As logical as Sage is, do you really think she would have joined Storm's team if she thought Storm wasn't a proper leader.:)
this isn't the argument- they are both good- even great- leaders. my point is that Cyclops is a leader with very few peers in the Marvel Universe. I personally think Storm is a notch below. Not incompetent at all- very, very skilled, but not on par with Scott.

[Zombienorthstar]

I actually think the best example of Storm leadership is in the first arc of X-treme you see how in control she is of all these loose canons around her like Rogue and a deep respect grows for the woman.

[Red Lotus]

Again, I'd disagree about Logan. I think he'd take the best leader over the person he likes better. And I reckon he'd consider Cyclops the better leader.

EDIT: And also, the fact that logan didn't leave with the X-treme team could show where his loyalties lie.

I'll agree Logan may not like Scott but he would stick with him. Logan respect Scott as a leader.

Wolverine from X-men 112

The guy's a leader as natural a leader as there ever was. Yeah I've been known to give him a hard time maybe more then once but even an old warhorse like me knows a leader when I see one. And this Scott Summers. The guy in charge of the X-men I'd follow him into hell if he said he needed me.

[element13]

i think wolverine would follow storm...though knowing him and the writers, he would somehow be on both teams at the same time. here's how i think it would be

cyclops- emma, angel, iceman, polaris, possibly beast, cannonball and havok.

imo, beast and havok are toss-ups for me. idk if havok would go to cyke because he hates playing second fiddle to his brother, and was with storm during the outback, and beast admitted during x-treme that storm was the x-man he trusted most. and when cannonball was with storm, they met an understanding, and he gained much respect for her, and i don't think he was ever under the leadershiop of cyclops.

storm- wolverine, rogue, dazzler, nightcrawler, gambit, psylock, colossus, shadowcat, and sage, possibly beast, cannonball, or havok.

[Hi-Fi]

EDIT: And also, the fact that logan didn't leave with the X-treme team could show where his loyalties lie.


He was going with them, but Storm asked him to stay and be the liason between the teams.

[element13]

I'll agree Logan may not like Scott but he would stick with him. Logan respect Scott as a leader.

Wolverine from X-men 112

wolverine has also stated that he would give his life for storm, and that he'd follow storm to hell and back. also, when cyke and storm fought, wolverine immediantley said he thought storm would win. at the end of the day, all the x-men know that both of them are the best of the best when it comes to leadership skills, and that both have had great moments, and their bad moments, so i think it comes down to who you like more.

[Sentinel K]

He was going with them, but Storm asked him to stay and be the liason between the teams.

:rolleyes:

Always have to make me look like an ignorant **** don't you.

[Hi-Fi]

:rolleyes:

Always have to make me look like an ignorant **** don't you.

And you thought your post was well-hidden a couple of pages back...:evilsmile

[Brian M.]

:rolleyes:

Always have to make me look like an ignorant **** don't you.

It's not hard. Now go play out in the yard while the big people talk.

[Sentinel K]

It's not hard. Now go play out in the yard while the big people talk.

But its dark outside and there are monsters. :(

[Brian M.]

But its dark outside and there a monsters. :(

I SAID GO!!!!!!!!!

Either that or go try and seduce that lady friend of yours.

[xakko]

The point is that Storm has often served under Cyclops, but not really vice versa. And in every recent mega-event- be it against Phoenix in Endsong or Cable in Burnt Offering. Cyke's in charge. Storm falls right into line.

By the way, Storm herself questioned her leadership skills in a conversation with Stevie Hunter following her return to the mansion after the Outback years.

Sorry folks, Storm's really cool and a great leader, but the evidence I see points to Cyclops being the best.

[element13]

The point is that Storm has often served under Cyclops, but not really vice versa. And in every recent mega-event- be it against Phoenix in Endsong or Cable in Burnt Offering. Cyke's in charge. Storm falls right into line.

By the way, Storm herself questioned her leadership skills in a conversation with Stevie Hunter following her return to the mansion after the Outback years.

Sorry folks, Storm's really cool and a great leader, but the evidence I see points to Cyclops being the best.

1) yes, cyke has served under storm as well just as much as vice versa

2) that instance is the only time storm questionex her leadership skills, cyke has done it on many occasions

3)what has cyke really done in the past few years? storm has come up with the plan to save an entire race, and save the entire galaxy, and lead her team through both instances. those two by themselves outclass what cyke has done recently. though who is better all depends on the writer. storm has been better than cyke, and vice versa. the fact is that it's almost impossible to pin-point who is actually better because it all depends on the writer.

[Brian M.]

1) yes, cyke has served under storm as well just as much as vice versa

2) that instance is the only time storm questionex her leadership skills, cyke has done it on many occasions

3)what has cyke really done in the past few years? storm has come up with the plan to save an entire race, and save the entire galaxy, and lead her team through both instances. those two by themselves outclass what cyke has done recently. though who is better all depends on the writer. storm has been better than cyke, and vice versa. the fact is that it's almost impossible to pin-point who is actually better because it all depends on the writer.

When has Cyclops served under Storm? When?

[element13]

When has Cyclops served under Storm? When?

secret wars, whic many would say out-classes endsong.

[Brian M.]

secret wars, whic many would say out-classes endsong.

So that one time would out class ALL THE OTHERS? Even when the teams were split into Blue/Gold and Scott would guest start in her team's book, he would lead. One time doesn't "out class" all the other times.

[xakko]

In Secret Wars, Xavier was the leader.

Not Storm, and she made a stink about it too.

[Brian M.]

In Secret Wars, Xavier was the leader.

Not Storm, and she made a stink about it too.

I've not read Secret Wars so I'm just assuming he's right.

[element13]

In Secret Wars, Xavier was the leader.

Not Storm, and she made a stink about it too.


no, storm states that she is the leader of the x-men, xavier doesn't disagree. he states that he knows what is best and would do the same if cyke was the leader as well or something similar. and UTVol8102, leading the x-men in an event that involved the entire marvel universe is more impressive than leading the x-men in an x-men comic. either way it's almost impossible to pin-point who is better because noth are different under different writers, and both have had their moments.

[Brian M.]

no, storm states that she is the leader of the x-men, xavier doesn't disagree. he states that he knows what is best and would do the same if cyke was the leader as well or something similar. and UTVol8102, leading the x-men in an event that involved the entire marvel universe is more impressive than leading the x-men in an x-men comic. either way it's almost impossible to pin-point who is better because noth are different under different writers, and both have had their moments.

So then in House of M when Scott led them would be almost the same? Or during Onslaught? Or against Phoenix? Or against Sinister in Inferno when both teams were there. Scott and Jean leave after OZT and who does HE LEAVE in charge...Storm.

[Huzzah!]

Cyclops has led 2 basic groups.

1. His friends and peers. Very little power struggle here, and no real leadership skills in terms of conflict.

2. A team with people who dislike each other. And in this instance storm was a lt to him and had to do what Cyclops could not, reign in wolverine. His failure in this regard early on should him to be more of a soldier than a leader. Without xavier he is pretty lost.

Storm on the other hand works well without Xavier, comes up with strategy's, and she doesnt blindly follow xavier as cyclops generally does.

Cyclops seems more of a good soldier with good tactics rather than a good leader. Hell look at the mansion. How many kids have died under his watch? A shit load.

[Jellobay]

Storm is supposed to be this great leader, but she leaves every body when the need her most.

She differs to Cyclops more often than not. She doesn't even seem to be leading a team for the forseeable future.

Storm is a great character, just not a great leader.

[Jellobay]

Cyclops seems more of a good soldier with good tactics rather than a good leader. Hell look at the mansion. How many kids have died under his watch? A shit load.


How many morlocks died on her watch? Oh thats right she was not watching. Great leadership there.

[Huzzah!]

The morlocks are adults, new x-men are children under ones direct care


and unlike the new x-men storm didnt have sentinels to fall back on. A direct tactical decision on scotts part led to one of the biggest horrific blunders ever.

Plus cyclops is such an idiot he put wolverine on three teams.

Check and mate my friend


check and mate

[Brian M.]

Also reread Claremont's first run. Cyclops reigned in Wolverine just fine. In the Savage Land he took on the team, he did in the Proteus arc. Wolverine was not a thorn.

[fishtaco]

Also reread Claremont's first run. Cyclops reigned in Wolverine just fine. In the Savage Land he took on the team, he did in the Proteus arc. Wolverine was not a thorn.True. Now read a bit further; Storm beat Cyclops in a fair duel. 'nuff said.

[Huzzah!]

he only reigned in wolverine in any regard because storm was there constantly to do it for him.

I suppose one could see that as a leadership quality, surrounding one with competent people....


but lets say storm wasnt on the team.

Cyclops would have said something to make wolverine ice his ass.

[Novaya Havoc]

What? So Storm is a better leader because she has boobs and Wolverine is FAR EASIER on female authority figures than males?

I do declare, the only woman he ever really gave a hard time (without the "tough love" schtick, which he only gives -- again -- to women) was, uh, Emma Frost. Even Rogue never had it so rough.

So I warrant that it's Storm's boobs that made him nicer to her. Not her innate leadership skills.

[Christopher O]

What? So Storm is a better leader because she has boobs and Wolverine is FAR EASIER on female authority figures than males?

I do declare, the only woman he ever really gave a hard time (without the "tough love" schtick, which he only gives -- again -- to women) was, uh, Emma Frost. Even Rogue never had it so rough.

So I warrant that it's Storm's boobs that made him nicer to her. Not her innate leadership skills.
I'm going to say it's because she would kick his ass all over the place, and he knew it. ;)

[Huzzah!]

Plus Cyclops is a bad role model.

He's totally on the juice.

I can just imagine the track marks on his ass.


Yeah a guy named slim is built that big


riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggght.


And when it comes right down to it, Storm was able to convince beast, the smartest original x-men to join her team, and Wolverine to essentially spy on the mansion.


And again...cyclops put wolverine on 3 teams...and seems to not have a problem with him being an avenger....despite the constant death of x-men he is facing.

He seems more intersted in the White Queens breast. He cant in reign in his girlfriend

Wolverine and beast are fighting in front of the students.

Plus he offered membership to Xorn.....after xorn threatened to blow up the world.

Ace choice Scott. Good thing that didnt bite you in the ass...

oh wait

Plus come on. He left his wife a kid to hang around with his old girlfriend. PRICK move right there

[xakko]

no, storm states that she is the leader of the x-men, xavier doesn't disagree. he states that he knows what is best and would do the same if cyke was the leader as well or something similar. and UTVol8102, leading the x-men in an event that involved the entire marvel universe is more impressive than leading the x-men in an x-men comic. either way it's almost impossible to pin-point who is better because noth are different under different writers, and both have had their moments.
just read the book.

storm STATES she is, but Xavier corrects her, and if you look, is giving the orders in combat.

except when Cyclops took Rogue and Wolverine on a separate mission.

and even then, Cyclops had been pulled out of retirement into that battle.

and you haven't contradicted that when the chips have been down recently, Cyclops has commanded Storm.

[Brian M.]

True. Now read a bit further; Storm beat Cyclops in a fair duel. 'nuff said.

Then read on to that where Storm got her powers taken away by her b/f, your hero made it fact that Cyclops lost by some other influence and Cyclops comes back to mansion to reclaim HIS TEAM!

[fireball87o]

True. Now read a bit further; Storm beat Cyclops in a fair duel. 'nuff said.

Not completely true. Maddie enabled Storm's victory because she didn't want Scott abandoning her & baby Cable for the leadership of the X-Men.

[phantom1592]

I'll always consider Cyclops to be the true leader of the X-men. I consider Storm to be like Wasp or Hawkeye. Yes they CAN lead, but when Cap's around he's the one people listen to. Same with Cyclops. I don't remember him Ever getting bossed by Storm.

I do wish we could get back to a decent cyclops though. The last five years have been pretty rough on him. I couldn't even remember WHY I liked him so much till I came across some Essential X-men. THEN I remembered :)

[Huzzah!]

thats a seniority thing.


Storm is clearly the superior leader


Actually here is a good thing taht stands out


Once mystique was fighting some arcade robots or something, and not only did cyclops kill colossus, he got iced with some piano wire.

At least it took an explosion to get storm.


And for the third time...3 teams...wolverine on them all.

[LordAllMighty]

I have a question.

Do you think Cyke could lead the X-Men without his powers?

[Jake V]

I have a question.

Do you think Cyke could lead the X-Men without his powers?
Definitely. In fact, with the psychological problems his powers give him, he might end up being a better leader/tactician if he was free of the burdens his powers give him.

[Huzzah!]

He certainly can get a bus load of kids killed with them

Morlocks got killed by a super group of killers that were a real threat



New X-men got killed by a bazooka. Well done.

[Jellobay]

He certainly can get a bus load of kids killed with them

Morlocks got killed by a super group of killers that were a real threat



New X-men got killed by a bazooka. Well done.

And you still fail to see the point. As Xakko stated, when all is said and done, Storm herself defers to Cyclops.

And you noticed when those children died, Storm just stayed her safe distance away.

[Brian M.]

Hey, when the chips were up and mutants were down Storm was there. By there I mean off in Africa rubbing body parts w/ Black Panther. OOOH and getting married during the CIVIL WAR!!! Hey, a girls gotta do what a girls gotta do though right?

[Huzzah!]

again you miss that point that that is essentially seniority. A general orders a Lt. but that doesnt make him the better leader. I cant think of many decisions that he made outside of actual combat that were good in any regard.

Again...this is the guy who offered membership to someone who had to be talked out of blowing up the world.


Craaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyyy

[Alphaxman]

That’s not fair. She was on her way back but Bishop told her to stay in Africa. And I think Storm refers to Cyclops as much as Cyclops refers to her. They are on equal footing when it comes to leading the X-Men. But I think that Storm is more dedicated to the dream. They both don’t have a life outside the X-Men but Scott left more times then Ororo. This isn’t the first time major trouble hit the mutant world but when she sees trouble somewhere else, a place where she grown up and doesn’t have help to solve it what is she to do. There are plenty of X-Men at home to handle problems in the USA.
She has a whole continent she feels she has to protect. Yeah she’s running to marry Black Panther but what is it going to take. Maybe a couple of days Marvel time?
How long did Scoot take when Jean died, or when he married Madelyne, or when he got hurt during Operation Zero Tolerance and got better? I know I’m reaching. Besides I don’t think Storm would want to stay in the mansion with Emma in charge anyway.

[Huzzah!]

True true'

and at least a marriage is significant.


Cyclops wiener ass ran away when Psylocke hit on him


A boo hoo you baby


And its nice to see someone at least takes marriage seriously...unlike cyclops....who left his wife and newborn baby. And cheated on Jean. Class act baby. Class act.

[siops]

wow.. why do people keep on using cyclops' and storm's failures to define thier leadership skills? shoudnt we look at thier accomplishments as leaders and not only thier failures?

[Christopher O]

And you still fail to see the point. As Xakko stated, when all is said and done, Storm herself defers to Cyclops.

And you noticed when those children died, Storm just stayed her safe distance away.

Hey, when the chips were up and mutants were down Storm was there. By there I mean off in Africa rubbing body parts w/ Black Panther. OOOH and getting married during the CIVIL WAR!!! Hey, a girls gotta do what a girls gotta do though right?

Are you guys intentionally being dense? We've been over this before--several times, in fact. Storm is in Africa freeing slaves and protecting entire villages from slaughter. She's doing a helluva lot more than any other X-Man at the moment.

[Huzzah!]

Yeah. if only she could be in the mansion punching the white queen like cyclops. Bravo man. Bravo.


Corsair needs to get some powers so he can come and take over the x-men leadership from his f-up sons

[phantom1592]

And for the third time...3 teams...wolverine on them all.


Well You don't hear Wolverine Complaining. Cyclops is just treating him like I treat my dog that's a little wild. RUN him. Run so that he's too exhausted to be trouble. Wolverine likes Action? GIVE him action. As much as we have!


That's GOOD leadership :)

[Huzzah!]

He's probably just worried Wolverine's gonna start tapping his new slice

He's insecure


I say thats a Bad leadership quality.

And he cant even keep Emma in line.

And despite the fact that Emma decided that the students should all go to the danger room and try to kill each other in order to see who will be the New X-men which is irresponsible, he seemed to just let it ride. Sure he got a hissy fit. But i dont see him overturning Emma's decision.

[phantom1592]

Emma considers herself a true leader. I don't see her defering to ANYONE, let alone Storm or Cyclops. Between the Hellfire Club, the Hellions, and Generation X, She's always been "the one in Charge" Granted she SUCKS at it, but that's irrelevant.

I wouldn't call thinking Wolverine was after your girl "insecure" It's actually has historical basis :)

[Novaya Havoc]

I think Val Cooper is the best leader.
http://pc59te.dte.uma.es/cdb/series/marvel/bitmaps/val.jpg

[unkiedev]

THIS thing is still going on? Wow.

Alright, let's stop with the "Storm is in Africa doing nothing" line. We all know that ain't how it's going down at all.

Storm is better because
A) She is more well-rounded.
B) She has seen more of the world.
C) She can empithise with more people
D) She makes friends easier.
C) She gells with everybody better
D) She doesn't cheat on her S.O.
E) She doesn't brood and whine like Scotty.

-The list goes on and on...and the Polls have Storm Ahead!

[Zombienorthstar]

Emma considers herself a true leader. I don't see her defering to ANYONE, let alone Storm or Cyclops. Between the Hellfire Club, the Hellions, and Generation X, She's always been "the one in Charge" Granted she SUCKS at it, but that's irrelevant.

I wouldn't call thinking Wolverine was after your girl "insecure" It's actually has historical basis :)


I wouldnt say she sucks at it...shes come up with some great ideas while others stadn there and go...duuuuh i dunno.

Th eonly downside is that her teams tend to welll...die.

[Red Lotus]

I think Storm is a great Leader. But when it come down to it Cyclops is a better one. Any time they are on the same team Storm follow Cyclops lead. I think the team may like Storm better as a friend. But that just shows you how much they respect Cyclops as a leader. They may not like him as friend but the all know he is the guy in charge. In the Marvel U Cyclops is look at as second to only Cap when it comes to leaders. Storm has never been looked at as the second best leader in the Marvel U.

[Brian M.]

IT's really all pointless b/c Storm is being subjected to Hudlin's pen and well that's gonna make her look like crap. Cyclops hasn't been written like a true leader since Claremont.

[Sentinel K]

IT's really all pointless b/c Storm is being subjected to Hudlin's pen and well that's gonna make her look like crap. Cyclops hasn't been written like a true leader since Claremont.

Woah! Be careful dude, that last sentence sounded like you know who! :D

[Brian M.]

Woah! Be careful dude, that last sentence sounded like you know who! :D

Well in my honest opinion Cyclops has been the great leader and tactician since him. Now Lobdell and Fabian did a good job aswell and I guess X-Factor 1-70. Ok so I change my mind, besides Claremont those are prime examples of Cyclops running laps around Storm in leadership.

[Sentinel K]

Well in my honest opinion Cyclops has been the great leader and tactician since him. Now Lobdell and Fabian did a good job aswell and I guess X-Factor 1-70. Ok so I change my mind, besides Claremont those are prime examples of Cyclops running laps around Storm in leadership.

I agree dude. I really wanna see Cyclops do something that makes me go "woah, this guy real is the dogs bollocks". Whedon came close, but its been a long time.

He's still better than Storm though.

This thread is just gonna run and run.

Then die.

Then be brought back again.

Probably.

[Mariah]

Woah! Be careful dude, that last sentence sounded like you know who! :D
I don't know, tell me! Please, unless you're referring to Fishtaco, then, I already know:p

But i agree with the statement. But the same could be said for Storm as well, as writer's have a hard time grasping her character.

[Zombienorthstar]

I


This thread is just gonna run and run.

Then die.

Then be brought back again.

Probably.


Like Jean!

WHo i thought was the best leade rin Morrisons X-Men

[Brian M.]

I agree dude. I really wanna see Cyclops do something that makes me go "woah, this guy real is the dogs bollocks". Whedon came close, but its been a long time.

He's still better than Storm though.

This thread is just gonna run and run.

Then die.

Then be brought back again.

Probably.

The scene w/ the Sentinel on the front lawn in the 2nd arc of Astonishing was great. Neither Colossus or Wolverine bothered to ask why. Just did then Scott openned up his eyes and GOOD BYE BITCH!

[Sentinel K]

The scene w/ the Sentinel on the front lawn in the 2nd arc of Astonishing was great. Neither Colossus or Wolverine bothered to ask why. Just did then Scott openned up his eyes and GOOD BYE BITCH!

It was cool, I agree.

That was one of those rare occasions when a double page spread was totallly justified.

He probably shouldn't have taken his visor off though. Technically that would weaken the strength of the force beam.


....but meh.


And Mariah. You already know. ;)

[Mariah]

Factor Three seeks the elimination, or forced utilization, of either of Xavier's lapdogs.

Summers is nothing more than a mound of clay to be shaped to our will.

The self-proclaimed goddess, while a much greater threat to our goals, is just as malleable.

It will only take acquiring one and the X-Men will fall like dominoes.

Factor Three is on the rise.
lol, can i say that i love you. Is that coming on a little too strong? That was too funny

[Mariah]

And Mariah. You already know. ;)
Sigh, um...I still don't know, unless it was my guess. I guess I should have warned everyone, my nickname is Jessica Simpson, and it's not because we share bra sizes:p

[Brian M.]

Sigh, um...I still don't know, unless it was my guess. I guess I should have warned everyone, my nickname is Jessica Simpson, and it's not because we share bra sizes:p

I love you..http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/love/new/love-smiley-076.gif..seriously.

[Mariah]

I love you...seriously.
Awww, thanks, I care for you too. xoxo Wait a minute, i just saw your smiley faces, oh my!

[Sentinel K]

Awww, thanks, I care for you too. xoxo

...She says while being humped.

[Brian M.]

Awww, thanks, I care for you too. xoxo Wait a minute, i just saw your smiley faces, oh my!

Lemme change that one.

http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/love/1296.gif

[Mariah]

Lemme change that one.

http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/love/1296.gif
I liked them both, but the second one you should do if you wanna do the first one;)

[Flight]

Oh, I just don't know which one to pick!
Its like picking between Hitler & Ricky Martin...

[Mariah]

Oh, I just don't know which one to pick!
Its like picking between Hitler & Ricky Martin...
I could see Storm sporting that mustache

[Flight]

I chose Cyclops.
I cannot betray my Summers love.

[Mariah]

I chose Cyclops.
I cannot betray my Summers love.
But with Scott around, Alex never has his chance to shine, as being the younger, dumber brother, who will never be as good as Scott:evilsmile

[Zombienorthstar]

But with Scott around, Alex never has his chance to shine, as being the younger, dumber brother, who will never be as good as Scott:evilsmile


Yeah he has...it was called Mutant X (the whole universe based around the premise of Alex beign the first X-Man and not Scott)

Id lvoe to see Scott get captured by Sinister and Alex take over his spot in astonishing but not get written as an emotionally impotent prick with an inferiority complex.

[fishtaco]

Yeah he has...it was called Mutant X (the whole universe based around the premise of Alex beign the first X-Man and not Scott)

Id lvoe to see Scott get captured by Sinister and Alex take over his spot in astonishing but not get written as an emotionally impotent prick with an inferiority complex.Havok wasn't written very well in Mutant X, imo. He was at his best in X-Factor, but only because of the build up in Uncanny X-Men. I miss those days...

[Zombienorthstar]

Havok wasn't written very well in Mutant X, imo. He was at his best in X-Factor, but only because of the build up in Uncanny X-Men. I miss those days...


I think he was very good in the frist few arcs of Mutant X...at least he wasnt an obnoxious tosser.

[Brian M.]

Havok wasn't written very well in Mutant X, imo. He was at his best in X-Factor, but only because of the build up in Uncanny X-Men. I miss those days...

It sounds like Brubaker may end up doing the samething to him. He's taking Havok and the group away from the mansion. He'll be away from Cyclops, noone to 2nd guess him, he should be able to exhibit more leadership and the kinda of qualities you saw in the Outback days and X-Factor days.

[fishtaco]

It sounds like Brubaker may end up doing the samething to him. He's taking Havok and the group away from the mansion. He'll be away from Cyclops, noone to 2nd guess him, he should be able to exhibit more leadership and the kinda of qualities you saw in the Outback days and X-Factor days.Not that I care much anymore, but I still hope so (for new reader's sake, though I won't be reading it). I think that extensive damage has been done to his character by a multitude of writers that can't be redeemed.

[Brian M.]

Not that I care much anymore, but I still hope so (for new reader's sake, though I won't be reading it). I think that extensive damage has been done to his character by a multitude of writers that can't be redeemed.

Well I'm not gonna tell you what to read and all but it could be a great story and it could give you what your looking for. Nothing is wrong in collecting the old stuff and enjoying how it's written, the downside is there won't be anything else like that coming out. Wait for the reviews and who knows, maybe it'll be the writing style you like.

[Zombienorthstar]

Well I'm not gonna tell you what to read and all but it could be a great story and it could give you what your looking for. Nothing is wrong in collecting the old stuff and enjoying how it's written, the downside is there won't be anything else like that coming out. Wait for the reviews and who knows, maybe it'll be the writing style you like.


true even Claremont doesnt write like his younger self anymore.

So youve got two options kid...

Stop collecting

OR

Try and find the good.

[Mariah]

It sounds like Brubaker may end up doing the samething to him. He's taking Havok and the group away from the mansion. He'll be away from Cyclops, noone to 2nd guess him, he should be able to exhibit more leadership and the kinda of qualities you saw in the Outback days and X-Factor days.
I thought Nightcrawler was gonna be the leader, unless Havok's gonna take control of the situation.

[Huzzah!]

Cyclops is abusive both emotionally and physically to women. Lamer ahoy!


Plus he's got a what...60-70% chance to blowing his own brains out?

If he was leading the aussie x-men someone would have taken the leadership from him

Without xavier or x-mansion gizmos he is useless.

Plus storm would waste his ass. She could kick the crap out of him without powers

Cyclops is too far up Xaviers ass , to close to the funk.

He just knows how to lead in fights...he cant lead in normal situations.

He's too close to the nest, never really branched off.

Plus if you are a hot chick and you kiss him he runs away to alaska

WUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSYYYYYYYYYY

[Jellobay]

Cyclops is abusive both emotionally and physically to women. Lamer ahoy!


Plus he's got a what...60-70% chance to blowing his own brains out?

If he was leading the aussie x-men someone would have taken the leadership from him

Without xavier or x-mansion gizmos he is useless.

Plus storm would waste his ass. She could kick the crap out of him without powers

Cyclops is too far up Xaviers ass , to close to the funk.

He just knows how to lead in fights...he cant lead in normal situations.

He's too close to the nest, never really branched off.

Plus if you are a hot chick and you kiss him he runs away to alaska

WUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSYYYYYYYYYY

Dude, you have to take you meds.
What do you mean he can't lead in normal situtations? What like watching TV or going on a picnic. Their whole like is not normal. And you say he never branches of and then you say he leaves, which is it?

He has to stay home now, because other, so called, leaders are out dreaming about their wedding night. ;)

[Huzzah!]

He's too close to Xavier mentally... in terms of approach

but i suppose like xavier he likes to take many vacations... Xavier does like to get away a lot

"WHats that? Colossus family just got killed? He could probably use a real leader to help him through that? Naaaah. Psylocke kissed me and im too much of a puss to deal with it so i have to run away to alaska."

As for the real world stuff im talking about adminstration and team dynamics. His team when not united against a foe are always at each others throats

His running of the school has been a joke and got lotta kids killed

And now that i think about it, his Corsairs werent doing taht well in the new mutant points thing

[Jellobay]

He's too close to Xavier mentally... in terms of approach

but i suppose like xavier he likes to take many vacations... Xavier does like to get away a lot

"WHats that? Colossus family just got killed? He could probably use a real leader to help him through that? Naaaah. Psylocke kissed me and im too much of a puss to deal with it so i have to run away to alaska."

As for the real world stuff im talking about adminstration and team dynamics. His team when not united against a foe are always at each others throats

His running of the school has been a joke and got lotta kids killed

And now that i think about it, his Corsairs werent doing taht well in the new mutant points thing

Do you even read the X-books?

Cyclops does way more adminstration and team dynamics that Storm ever has.
He put the teams together. He ran the School. Storm just runs away from any one important in her life. Poor Panther it is only a matter of time.

[Mariah]

Do you even read the X-books?

Cyclops does way more adminstration and team dynamics that Storm ever has.
He put the teams together. He ran the School. Storm just runs away from any one important in her life. Poor Panther it is only a matter of time.
Watch out boys, I'm having a Susan Powter moment, (grabs thighs and puts head in between them) STOP THE INSANITY!!!! lol

[Huzzah!]

Do you even read the books? Storm led a team through actual hard stuff.

Cyclops puts wierd random people together on teams. Thats bad leadership.

yeah ill stick crazy lorna alex and iceman on the same team....that couldnt possibly have bad ramifications


And again....he let Xorn on the team, after he threatened to blow up the world.


Its ironic, i think, that a cyclops fan is looking through the x-world with rose colored glasses

[Black Hole]

Interesting thread. Wasn't there one of these Pre "CBR Crisis"?

Anyway. I have always felt that Cyclops was the better leader, and indeed, I have voted for him in the poll, which at the time of this writing is tied.

To me, it's as simple as this: Who would I want to follow in a crisis? It's always been Cyclops.

Storm and Cyclops are similar in many respects...orphaned childhoods and they both repressed their emotions...for different reasons, of course.

It doesn't matter to me who would follow who. If every X-Man there ever was decided to follow Storm it would not change the fact the I think Scott is a better leader.

The terrible pain that this man has been through...pretty much nothing that Storm has done can trump (in my eyes) the final act of X-Men #137, when Jean turned back into Phoenix and immediately Scott knew he had to turn his power on the woman he loved to save everyone, possibly the entire universe. That's what a leader does.

As for the duel. I never once felt that Scott really lost. From the story, I thought that we were meant to realize (via Wolverine's comments -Ironically -Wolverine himself would lose a similar duel to Gambit years later) that Scott at his best would have won, and that he was at a very intense confluence of events in his life, thus causing him to lose. Later on it was "revealed" that Maddie may have been behind his loss, but I preferred the former explanation.

In fact, Storm only "won" because Cyclops would not have hurt her. If it would have been an actual battle merely opening his eyes could have destroyed her. They weren't playing a game to settle ranking on a sports team, they were fighting to see who would lead a very powerful team of heroes against increasingly deadly foes in an increasingly deadly and unsure world. If the stakes would have been "real", he would have won that duel, Maddie or not.

Now, the whole Morlock Massacre and subsequent events...I could never help but feel that everything would have went down much safer and better for everyone if Scott had been leading. Of course, it is impossible to prove that, but it always seemed like Cyclops would have just handled that shit and taken their enemies out.

Another thing that really struck me was during Inferno, Storm and the X-Men descended into darkness, while Cyclops and X-Factor did not. Again, I just don't think that would have happened to the X-Men if Scott had been leading.

As for now, post M-Day, I really don't think it would be a good idea to spread out the mutants all over the world. With that few of them, I think the right move was to secure the estate, then send out small teams to find other mutants and bring them back.

I think it was the right thing to do to want to concentrate your power, give pause to anyone who might attack you, let them know they can't just pick you off at will (New X-Men...grrrrrrr!). Seriously, though...there is some major power under that roof. There needed to be one safe haven for the mutants, I don't think that Storm's idea was a very good one at all, and seemed to be motivated from selfishness of having recently "rediscovered" her connection to the motherland.

I know the X-Men are acting like the governments bitches right now, but when the power in that mansion decides it has had enough, Sentinel Squad O*N*E* is going to have a pretty tough time doing anything about it. I believe we're going to see some serious ass-kicking when the X-Men break out. Storm would have been of much better service to what was left mutantkind by sticking with the X-Men.

I just feel that, with the worst disaster to ever strike mutantkind, you should go and help them confront it. It really looks like she wasn't happy with how Scott and Emma ran things, and she was afraid she would be relegated to a third place position so she just ran off. It would be more like a leader to come to the mansion and try to change things for the better.

I mean, is she really going to just leave those kids and her friends behind if she feels that they are under poor/misguided leadership? We all know the real reason Storm left the team. But the reasons provided by the story don't add much to her character as a leader. Just one more reason why I choose Cyclops over Storm.

[Brian M.]

You want to see the X-Men having enough of ONE read X-Men: Civil War. It has stated that the X-Men finally have enough w/ th 198 and ONE. It's on.

[Black Hole]

You want to see the X-Men having enough of ONE read X-Men: Civil War. It has stated that the X-Men finally have enough w/ th 198 and ONE. It's on.

Excellent. It's about time. Thanks for the heads up.

[Huzzah!]

Even if....all you are saying is Cyclops really wanted to he could have beat someone without powers...

And what does that say

:p

[Alphaxman]

I still think Storm is a better leader because she has a better working relationship with the people who follow her. Plus she knows how to take advice and when to not show all the cards in her deck. Scott is pretty much what-you-see-is-what-you-get kind of leader. Witch isn’t bad. Besides, if each character had to choose how they would follow, most of them would choose Storm. Only the other original four, Polaris, Emma and maybe Rachel (only because he’s her dad and they seem to have made up) would follow Scott. Alex would not follow his bother if he had have to. Logan, Kurt, Peter, Kitty, Rogue, Gambit, and Betsey are closer to Ororo. Bishop must feel that his option matter to Storm more then Cyclops. Sage was her right hand man so to speak. But I guess it comes down to who you like better as a character.

[Brian M.]

I don't get the statements about Alex not following his brother. Alex has always wanted to be the leader Scott could be. Always. He knows he's a good leader.

[Kal]

Jellobay has recruited more Cyclops worshippers. Ugh!

[Black Hole]

Even if....all you are saying is Cyclops really wanted to he could have beat someone without powers...

And what does that say

:p

Essentially that Storm was forced to rely on the mercy of her enemy. When I read that issue, I saw that Cyclops was essentially correct, without powers she was somewhat of a liability to the team.

If that had been a real fight she would have been killed.

[Exodus]

At the end of the day, Storm Lost her powers and still lead the team.

Cyclops wouldnt, couldnt do that.

-Exodus

[Blackcat]

It's a kind of 50/50, so we can draw our conclusion here.

[Huzzah!]

Essentially that Storm was forced to rely on the mercy of her enemy. When I read that issue, I saw that Cyclops was essentially correct, without powers she was somewhat of a liability to the team.

If that had been a real fight she would have been killed.

Well like bobby dinero said in Heat to Al pacino, there is a flipside to that coin


If she was a villain then cyclops would be neutered by someone who had some brains.


In contrast the Storm decision was a tactical one...and by knowing the enemy she knew hot to beat...if one wasnt going to show mercy and she had no reason to think he would, then the same attack wouldnt have been used.

[Sentinel K]

At the end of the day, Storm Lost her powers and still lead the team.

Cyclops wouldnt, couldnt do that.

-Exodus

Its never happened so how would you know that?

[Black Hole]

At the end of the day, Storm Lost her powers and still lead the team.

Cyclops wouldnt, couldnt do that.

-Exodus

But he did it before circa X-Men 150 when they lost their powers on Magneto's island. So I would definitely say that he would and could do it.

They were never following Scott because of a red beam shooting out of his eyes, they followed because they all trusted that he knew what to do, powers or not.

Of course now when you lose your powers you get kicked out of the mansion no matter what, so that couldn't happen today.

[Huzzah!]

Seems to me thats a cyclops decision.

One that worked out quite well for Tag Body Spray

[Red Lotus]

After the "12" when the X-men thought Cyclops was dead wasn't Gambit the leader of the team that Storm was on. It just seems odd to me that when they think Cyclops is dead and Storm is still around instead of her being the Leader its Gambit. :D :D

[Huzzah!]

actually im not really sure....maybe he was listed as...but as i recall he wasnt sort of with the team...but needed them...so they helped him for a few issues...or some such.

Havent read it in a while.

[Red Lotus]

He put the team together (one of those 6 months later after a big event crossover things they do) and they followed his lead for about a year.

[Zombienorthstar]

After the "12" when the X-men thought Cyclops was dead wasn't Gambit the leader of the team that Storm was on. It just seems odd to me that when they think Cyclops is dead and Storm is still around instead of her being the Leader its Gambit. :D :D


especially when Jean Cable and Beast were all members too...i think it was done to make him andf Rogue leaders of rival teams.

[Mariah]

especially when Jean Cable and Beast were all members too...i think it was done to make him andf Rogue leaders of rival teams.
I think it was to give them some kinda character development apart from each other.

[Black Hole]

Seems to me thats a cyclops decision.

One that worked out quite well for Tag Body Spray

A correct decision, too. If expedited a bit earlier would probably have saved lives, though. As it turns out, being at the mansion IS pretty damn dangerous.


But don't get me started on New X-Men.

This thread will blow up like the Godfather if I start venting about that.

[Zombienorthstar]

A correct decision, too. If expedited a bit earlier would probably have saved lives, though. As it turns out, being at the mansion IS pretty damn dangerous.


But don't get me started on New X-Men.

This thread will blow up like the Godfather if I start venting about that.


I agree i dont think removing the humans from the school was wrong...i just think it turned out badly for them...if anything i would have thought he was crazy if hed let them stay what with the inclusion of terrorists and murderers in the 198...of coruse he was right to let them go....the bus explosion was not his fualt. How could he have anticipated it? Answer- he couldnt which means it isnt a smear on his leadership skills.

[Speed]

People need to stop with the "Storm is better because she led the team and beat Cyclops with no powers" schtick.

Take a look at Scott Lobdell's X-Men issues #43 & 44.
Cyclops leads the Acolytes to safety and even gains their trust and pushes their abilities.
He's a born leader. Storm is a made one.

[Zombienorthstar]

I dont think eithers better...they have different qualities


Scotts more administrative, decisive and strtegic yet occasionally hes arorgant, distant and selfish.

Storm is more social, self-confident and morally assured yet has anger issues, an aloofness and is too ruled by her emotions.

[Speed]

I dont think eithers better...they have different qualities You voted Storm.

[Mariah]

People need to stop with the "Storm is better because she led the team and beat Cyclops with no powers" schtick.

Take a look at Scott Lobdell's X-Men issues #43 & 44.
Cyclops leads the Acolytes to safety and even gains their trust and pushes their abilities.
He's a born leader. Storm is a made one.
Cylcops is a great leader because of his tactical mind, and leading ability that stops short of Capt. America. He is more in your face strategy, while Storm prefers the non-direct approach. She's more sneaky, and subversive, and doesn't like to let her ace out of the bag as soon as others.
Cyclops achillies heel is powers, he depends on them, he isn't a hand to hand combatant, he is very dependant on his gifts, whether that be a hindrance or asset is still up in the air. While Storm has lead sans powers and come out on top, her achillies heel is her confidence. She has been underminded by so many people since she became field leader, it's not even funny. She "tore" out her soul to get the steel cajones to lead the group, but was underminded by Scott everytime he comes into the picture, as well as Xavier when he gained his ability to walk again.

[Zombienorthstar]

You voted Storm.


Yeah cause i enjoy that style of leadership if i was in that position.


yet thsi arguement made me think alot about it anf i think theyre both good...if anythign i only put Storm because i prefer her as a character.

[Jellobay]

People need to stop with the "Storm is better because she led the team and beat Cyclops with no powers" schtick.

Take a look at Scott Lobdell's X-Men issues #43 & 44.
Cyclops leads the Acolytes to safety and even gains their trust and pushes their abilities.
He's a born leader. Storm is a made one.


Dude you rock!

[Jellobay]

Cylcops is a great leader because of his tactical mind, and leading ability that stops short of Capt. America. He is more in your face strategy, while Storm prefers the non-direct approach. She's more sneaky, and subversive, and doesn't like to let her ace out of the bag as soon as others.
Cyclops achillies heel is powers, he depends on them, he isn't a hand to hand combatant, he is very dependant on his gifts, whether that be a hindrance or asset is still up in the air. While Storm has lead sans powers and come out on top, her achillies heel is her confidence. She has been underminded by so many people since she became field leader, it's not even funny. She "tore" out her soul to get the steel cajones to lead the group, but was underminded by Scott everytime he comes into the picture, as well as Xavier when he gained his ability to walk again.

During the Proteus arc, Cyclops took on all the new X-men just to test them out and held his own.
And for Storm it is not confidence it is arrogance. She was treated like a good in Africa and she still on occasion acts like one. Her powers are superior than a lot of the X-men, but she thinks she is superior in other ways also.
She might love her friends and team mates, but she will still leave them when she thinks she has something better to do.
Storm think of herself first and Cyclops thinks of the team.

[Mariah]

During the Proteus arc, Cyclops took on all the new X-men just to test them out and held his own.
And for Storm it is not confidence it is arrogance. She was treated like a good in Africa and she still on occasion acts like one. Her powers are superior than a lot of the X-men, but she thinks she is superior in other ways also.
She might love her friends and team mates, but she will still leave them when she thinks she has something better to do.
Storm think of herself first and Cyclops thinks of the team.
Yes, he did, and had Phoenix there handy in case things got out of hand, to save his bacon. He can't be alone, very codependent if you ask me, from Jean to Colleen, to Jean, to Lee Forrester, to Maddy, to Jean, to Emma. When he is single, he runs away and hides. Storm isn't arrogant, she is very fiercely willed and independent. She leads the team, gets results, does things the way she feels comfortable doing them, but just gets pushed aside when the boys wanna play again.