Who's Better: Cyclops or Storm?

[Sentinel K]

I think you're missing my joke. :eek:

Obviously. :o

[Hi-Fi]

Obviously. :o

Storm would totally get my joke. Cyclops doesn't get jokes. Never. :D

[Sentinel K]

Storm would totally get my joke. Cyclops doesn't get jokes. Never. :D

Cyclops is too cool to laugh. He laughs on the inside.

[FieryBalrog]

Plus, Cyclops already abandoned the X-Men to live his own life lots of time!! Why can't Storm do it now??

Hypocrites much? :evilsmile ;)

She tried abandoning the team right after the massacre. Callisto had to slap some sense into her.

[fishtaco]

Halle Berry doesn't help the situation any....Um...this matters?

[LordAllMighty]

She didn't but she should have known that something would happen at some point.

How? The Morlocks have been in hiding for years, not even Professor X using Cerebro knew of their existence. AAMOF, only a very small group of people knew of the hidden community of underground mutants called the Morlocks. And when I say small, I mean less then 20 and the majority of them where on the X-Men.

She should have known that there were groups that would hunt down mutants.

How? The Morlocks have been in hiding for years and never been hunted.

I believe at the time the X-Men didn't know that the mutant hunting group X-Factor, that was stationed in New York, were made up of the original team. Are you telling me she didn't have enough foresight to at least help prevent an attack knowing this? Even the mansion had safe guards when no one knew were the X HQ was.

Again, hidden community of underground mutants that Professor X using Cerebro knew nothing about. You know Professor X, the guy who uses Cerebro to pin-point almost every mutant on the planet.

Can't put the blame on Cyclops for Angel on this one. Like I said before, if Storm would have put safe guards in place it probably wouldn't have happened. She had access to the technology she could have made it happen.

Wait, Wait, Wait. Cyke was leading X-Factor when Angel was injuried but this counts against Storm. OOOOOKay :rolleyes: Must be nice, to be able to shift blame to another person.

And three members became inactive due to injures.

I'm guessing this is the only X-Men story you have ever read, if you think this is the only time a X-Men has been injuried during battle.

Oh and guess what?
Cyclops is leading in the polls. Oh! Oh!

Oh my, Cyke's winning a fan base poll. Come on now, lets act like adults here. :D

She tried abandoning the team right after the massacre. Callisto had to slap some sense into her.

True, to bad Callisto wasn't around when Cyke abandoned the team during their fight with Jurrgernaut. Just joking.......somewhat :p

[Neolucifer]

The Thing is better than both .. so just buy his book already !! :p

[DoubleShot]

We can go on and on around and around all day on this but there is one thing I think we can all agree on. Both are very good leaders in there own right.

Now let's talk about something else. (and yeah this probably should be another thread but so what)

Who, except for Cyclops and Storm, would you like to see leading the team? Never really gave it much thought but Psylocke comes to mind.

[Sentinel K]

We can go on and on around and around all day on this but there is one thing I think we can all agree on. Both are very good leaders in there own right.

Now let's talk about something else. (and yeah this probably should be another thread but so what)

Who, except for Cyclops and Storm, would you like to see leading the team? Never really gave it much thought but Psylocke comes to mind.

I always thought Gambit would have made an interesting leader. He'd probably have got the team into heaps of touble but it would have been fun to read.

[Kal]

Who led the team when Cassie launched an attack on Genosha?

[LordAllMighty]

I could see Nightcrawler or Bishop leading the X-Men. I also think Kitty or Sam would make cool replacement for Scott and Ororo. :)

[Affinity]

Who led the team when Cassie launched an attack on Genosha?
Cyclops for New X-Men, Storm for X-treme, and...was it Archangel for Uncanny?

[Christopher O]

Dude you really take the whole sitting on the throne thing literally don't cha.
Whether it was literal or not is a moot point. You're suggesting that she's in Africa twiddling her thumbs or sitting on her ass, and I've simply disproven that.

I point is she left when the team needed her the most. Left when she was ased to stay even.
She felt Africa needed her more, and quite frankly, I'm inclined to agree with her.
And you still haven't given me a name of a mutant she has saved on her little quest for freedom.
We haven't been given the names of anyone she has saved, but it doesn't change the fact that she has still saved people. You can't dismiss that just because it isn't a character you know.
And she is still going to get married during this crisis. To me that just shows in her mind it is not such a crisis after all.
You don't know her motivations for the marriage. Besides, in her mind, the crisis in Africa is just a legitimate as what is going on in the States, probably more so, since there isn't a strong presence of super-powered individuals on the continent. What she is doing now is certainly more "heroic" than what the X-Men, Avengers, and Fantastic Four do most of the time. Storm is actively seeking out slavers and murderers and putting a stop to their crimes, not to mention helping their victims.

[Jellobay]

Whether it was literal or not is a moot point. You're suggesting that she's in Africa twiddling her thumbs or sitting on her ass, and I've simply disproven that.


She felt Africa needed her more, and quite frankly, I'm inclined to agree with her.

We haven't been given the names of anyone she has saved, but it doesn't change the fact that she has still saved people. You can't dismiss that just because it isn't a character you know.

Dude, I understand you like Storm. I do too, but just because she is saying she is out there saving mutants in Africa does not make it so. You are assuming that she is saving all these mutants, so until you can name them don't tell me that she is not planning her wedding.
And you saying what she is be doing now is more "heroic" than the X-men or Avengers is your opinion. :) I personally don't think planning a wedding is more heroic than fighting Apocolypse. ;)
And lets for a second agree that she is out there saving Africa and it many mutants (which at most during these times could not be more than a couple dozen) how they heck does this make her a better leader. Please tell me.

Oh and dude, you do know she is a fictional character and we are talking about comic books right? :rolleyes:

[Brian M.]

Cyclops = The Best Leader

Nuff Said.

[Jellobay]

Cyclops = The Best Leader

Nuff Said.

Amen UTV. :)

[unkiedev]

Ah, Jellobaby. If not for your single-minded devotion to one of Marveldom's more boring, corporate hacks this board would NEVER have gone on for as many pages.

Anyposter23: Here's a good point about Storm...

Jellobaby: Cyclops is better.

Joeschmoe: But remeber this Storm thing...

Jellobaby: Cyclops is better.

Cyclopshmslf: No, really, I'm Cyclops and I think Storm is better because...

Jellobaby: Cyclops is better, N'uff said!

[Beast]

Cyclops = The Best Leader

Nuff Said.
Somehow, I doubt Thunderbird would agree with you. :D

[fishtaco]

Somehow, I doubt Thunderbird would agree with you. :Doooo. Touche. :D

[Jellobay]

Ah, Jellobaby. If not for your single-minded devotion to one of Marveldom's more boring, corporate hacks this board would NEVER have gone on for as many pages.

Anyposter23: Here's a good point about Storm...

Jellobaby: Cyclops is better.

Joeschmoe: But remeber this Storm thing...

Jellobaby: Cyclops is better.

Cyclopshmslf: No, really, I'm Cyclops and I think Storm is better because...

Jellobaby: Cyclops is better, N'uff said!

LOL :D You see Dude you get. Its about fun. :)

The weird thing is I am not a huge Cyclops fan. :eek:

[Jellobay]

Somehow, I doubt Thunderbird would agree with you. :D

Psylocke and the Morlock agree and I can live with that. ;)

[Beast]

Psylocke and the Morlock agree and I can live with that. ;)
Psylocke's death can't be attributed to Storm's leadership.
And the Morlock Massacre wasn't exactly Storm's fault either. :p

[Vegetarian Goat]

Storm is better at Badminton, and Cyclops is better at Tennis. And since i don't play Badminton, i chose Cyclops.

[unkiedev]

LOL :D You see Dude you get. Its about fun. :)

The weird thing is I am not a huge Cyclops fan. :eek:
:eek:

How do you figure that?!

Alright, let's try this on for size: As a Weather Goddess, Storm helped feed millions of starving people. Using her powers in this fashion has saved thousands of lives.

Cyclops can shoot a beam of light out of his face. Using this power he has felt sorry for himself and really helped no one in particular.

-Game on.

[Jellobay]

Psylocke's death can't be attributed to Storm's leadership.
And the Morlock Massacre wasn't exactly Storm's fault either. :p

Well Cyclops did tell Thunderbird to jump and blow up either.

But you do have a point about the Morlocks. She wasn't there when they needed her either. :p

[bfrank]

Storm's better, nuff said....

and I'd like to see Shadowcat and Bishop lead the X-Men......

[Jellobay]

:eek:

How do you figure that?!

Alright, let's try this on for size: As a Weather Goddess, Storm helped feed millions of starving people. Using her powers in this fashion has saved thousands of lives.

Cyclops can shoot a beam of light out of his face. Using this power he has felt sorry for himself and really helped no one in particular.

-Game on.

If you read back I said, no question about it Storm is way more powerful. I said that and I stand by it, but power does not make a good leader. :)

[Jellobay]

Storm is better at Badminton, and Cyclops is better at Tennis. And since i don't play Badminton, i chose Cyclops.

I said it before and I'll say it again VG you rock. :)

[Brian M.]

Somehow, I doubt Thunderbird would agree with you. :D

I'm sure the Morlocks would.

[Kal]

Cyclops for New X-Men, Storm for X-treme, and...was it Archangel for Uncanny?

Yup he was in charge of the whole Cassie thing.
He let 16 million mutants die.

[Jellobay]

Yup he was in charge of the whole Cassie thing.
He let 16 million mutants die.


If Storm was there I am sure he would have saved the day. Oh thats right she is not there. Wasn't she like post Psylocke's death notice in the paper or something. ;)

[Kal]

If Storm was there I am sure he would have saved the day. Oh thats right she is not there. Wasn't she like post Psylocke's death notice in the paper or something. ;)

I'm sorry nothing compares to 16 million mutants. You can add all the deaths that supposedly happened under Storm's watch , multiply them by ten thousand and it still doesn't come close. The largest massacre in human history. What a shame.

Storm is the better leader. Hands down.

[Beast]

I'm sorry nothing compares to 16 million mutants. You can add all the deaths that supposedly happened under Storm's watch , multiply them by ten thousand and it still doesn't come close. The largest massacre in human history. What a shame.

Storm is the better leader. Hands down.
And how is Scott responsible for that? No one person is responsible for Genosha. :p
Other than Cassandra Nova of course, but that's not what we're talking about, is it. :)

[Brian M.]

Yup he was in charge of the whole Cassie thing.
He let 16 million mutants die.


I'm sorry how is that Cyclop's fault?

[Brian M.]

Where was Storm during the Twelve? She let Scott make all the hard decisions. He even sacrificed himself. What has Storm done for the team?

[Kal]

And how is Scott responsible for that? No one person is responsible for Genosha. :p
Other than Cassandra Nova of course, but that's not what we're talking about, is it. :)

Tell that to the people who say Storm is responsible for the Morlock massacre. If they can blame her for that I see no reason why Cyclops can't take the blame for Cassie's crimes. He could have prevented it if his brain wasn't locked in Emma's telepathic grip :P

16 million mutants.

[Jellobay]

And how is Scott responsible for that? No one person is responsible for Genosha. :p
Other than Cassandra Nova of course, but that's not what we're talking about, is it. :)

Kal is just grasping a straws Beast. :)

And trying to mess with my mind, but I'm married and have 4 kids, so he will have to do a lot better than that. ;)

[Tre Styles]

What has Storm done for the team?

She's been there for Logan. She's been there for Kitty. She's been there for Jean. She's been there for many, many members of the team. Whether it be counsel/advice, or just helping to fight for the cause. She's cared for the team time and time again. She's stepped up as a leader many times. She's challenged Professor X when she felt he was wrong, and stood by him fiercely when she felt he was right. She helped to guide Bishop and make him feel part of the team when he first appeared. She's helped to put those who need to be put in their place...in their place. She's done the best that she knows how to do. She's beloved by many on the team, and she wanted her team by her side in Africa, but Scott didn't want that...and out of respect for him, she didn't want to cause a division by her presence being there. This is probably one of the longest times she's ever been away from the team. As a matter of fact, Forge even stated that she'd probably never marry him because she was in essence "married to the X_men"(But he was wrong). She's a true leader. Scott Summers is too, but I think that Storm by far, is the stronger. She cares more for the team than he does. He rather just give orders. Whereas, Storm gives orders, but she definitely shows she cares. :cool:

[Jellobay]

Tell that to the people who say Storm is responsible for the Morlock massacre. If they can blame her for that I see no reason why Cyclops can't take the blame for Cassie's crimes. He could have prevented it if his brain wasn't locked in Emma's telepathic grip :P.

Hi Kal, this might have escaped your attention in the comic books, but Storm was the leader of the Morlock and Magneto was ruler of Genosha. But at least Magneto was there when the deaths occured. :p

[Brian M.]

Tell that to the people who say Storm is responsible for the Morlock massacre. If they can blame her for that I see no reason why Cyclops can't take the blame for Cassie's crimes. He could have prevented it if his brain wasn't locked in Emma's telepathic grip :P

16 million mutants.


Um that makes no sense. Storm was the leader of the Morlocks, she beat Callisto for it, than she walked out. Cyclops was never in charge of Genosha, that was Magneto. But hey, you go ahead w/ that logic.

[Beast]

Tell that to the people who say Storm is responsible for the Morlock massacre. If they can blame her for that I see no reason why Cyclops can't take the blame for Cassie's crimes. He could have prevented it if his brain wasn't locked in Emma's telepathic grip :P

16 million mutants.
Well, Storm was the official leader of the Morlock's at the time. So personally I'm sure she feels guilty about not being able to save them. Even though there was nothing that she could have done to stop it from happening. :)

[Kal]

Hi Kal, this might have escaped your attention in the comic books, but Storm was the leader of the Morlock and Magneto was ruler of Genosha. But at least Magneto was there when the deaths occured. :p

Now who's grasping at straws? He could have prevented the attack. I'm sure she didn't activate the sentinel until she was captured. I know Storm would have ripped her heart out.

[Brian M.]

She's been there for Logan. She's been there for Kitty. She's been there for Jean. She's been there for many, many members of the team. Whether it be counsel/advice, or just helping to fight for the cause. She's cared for the team time and time again. She's stepped up as a leader many times. She's challenged Professor X when she felt he was wrong, and stood by him fiercely when she felt he was right. She helped to guide Bishop and make him feel part of the team when he first appeared. She's helped to put those who need to be put in their place...in their place. She's done the best that she knows how to do. She's beloved by many on the team, and she wanted her team by her side in Africa, but Scott didn't want that...and out of respect for him, she didn't want to cause a division by her presence being there. This is probably one of the longest times she's ever been away from the team. As a matter of fact, Forge even stated that she'd probably never marry him because she was in essence "married to the X_men"(But he was wrong). She's a true leader. Scott Summers is too, but I think that Storm by far, is the stronger. She cares more for the team than he does. He rather just give orders. Whereas, Storm gives orders, but she definitely shows she cares. :cool:


I have disagree w/ you Tre when you say Scott just gives orders. He cares for his team, he always has. The difference between the two leaders is that Scott doesn't lead by emotions. Storm does lead w/ her emotions. If a situation came up where Jean Grey was the only person that could do it and that situation would kill her, Cyclops would send her b/c it would accomplish the goal, I can't say that if Storm was in the same situation she would send her best friend. Is Cyclops colder at times? Yes, but he has been shown sooo many times emoting over an order. He's a General, Storm acts as a Mother. A Mother will care about her children and wouldn't want them hurt, a General still cares for his soldiers but his mission is for the greater good.

[Brian M.]

Now who's grasping at straws? He could have prevented the attack. I'm sure she didn't activate the sentinel until she was captured. I know Storm would have ripped her heart out.


I have to take a line from one of my favorite movies Bad Santa...

ARE YOU F!@#ing WITH ME?

Seriously...Scott could have prevented the attacks?

[Kal]

I have to take a line from one of my favorite movies Bad Santa...

ARE YOU F!@#ing WITH ME?

Seriously...Scott could have prevented the attacks?

Please don't get your panties in a bunch. 16 million mutants. Think about that when you sleep tonight.

[Brian M.]

Plase don't get your pnties in a bunch. 16 million mutants. Think about that when you sleep tonight.

Ok, you are just F'ing w/ me. If I thought about comics when I slept I'd have issues.

[Jellobay]

I know Storm would have ripped her heart out.

She only does that to Morlocks. (Poor Marrow)

[Tre Styles]

I have disagree w/ you Tre when you say Scott just gives orders. He cares for his team, he always has. The difference between the two leaders is that Scott doesn't lead by emotions. Storm does lead w/ her emotions. If a situation came up where Jean Grey was the only person that could do it and that situation would kill her, Cyclops would send her b/c it would accomplish the goal, I can't say that if Storm was in the same situation she would send her best friend. Is Cyclops colder at times? Yes, but he has been shown sooo many times emoting over an order. He's a General, Storm acts as a Mother. A Mother will care about her children and wouldn't want them hurt, a General still cares for his soldiers but his mission is for the greater good.

I hear what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree as well. I don't believe Storm is always strictly emotional, especially not when making leadership decisions. Storm had to make an extremely emotional decision when choosing to lead the X-Treme Team. She put aside her what she felt, and did what she needed to do for the greater good. Storm would also send Jean. I don't doubt for a moment that she would have a problem making hard decisions Or better yet, Storm would probably go herself. Edit to add: Storm, also hasn't left the team as frequently as Scott has. This time, yes, but it's for a bigger cause....it's certainly not to just go knock boots with T'Challa. And despite what anyone says to the contrary, she originally left and wanted her team with her. But didn't want to cause discension in the ranks, because she knew that the team would rather listen to her than Scott. And frankly, right now, Scott is a HORRIBLE leader (except in Astonishing and New) ;)

[Hi-Fi]

She's been there for Logan. She's been there for Kitty. She's been there for Jean. She's been there for many, many members of the team. Whether it be counsel/advice, or just helping to fight for the cause. She's cared for the team time and time again. She's stepped up as a leader many times. She's challenged Professor X when she felt he was wrong, and stood by him fiercely when she felt he was right. She helped to guide Bishop and make him feel part of the team when he first appeared. She's helped to put those who need to be put in their place...in their place. She's done the best that she knows how to do. She's beloved by many on the team, and she wanted her team by her side in Africa, but Scott didn't want that...and out of respect for him, she didn't want to cause a division by her presence being there. This is probably one of the longest times she's ever been away from the team. As a matter of fact, Forge even stated that she'd probably never marry him because she was in essence "married to the X_men"(But he was wrong). She's a true leader. Scott Summers is too, but I think that Storm by far, is the stronger. She cares more for the team than he does. He rather just give orders. Whereas, Storm gives orders, but she definitely shows she cares. :cool:


As always, Tre brings reason to the thread. Storm is the best leader. Period.

[Kal]

She only does that to Morlocks. (Poor Marrow)

She did what she had to do. What would Cyclops have done? What he does best: blast her with his optic beam killing everyone in the process.

Ok, you are just F'ing w/ me. If I thought about comics when I slept I'd have issues.

:p

[Jellobay]

As always, Tre brings reason to the thread. Storm is the best leader. Period.

Would you stop taking about Storm's period. :p

[Tre Styles]

Would you stop taking about Storm's period. :p

Yeah, soon as you stop talking about Scott's. :p ;)

[Hi-Fi]

Would you stop taking about Storm's period. :p

Nice counter-argument. :evilsmile :p ;)

[unkiedev]

Where was Storm during the Twelve? She let Scott make all the hard decisions. He even sacrificed himself. What has Storm done for the team?
Well, according to you, UTVol8102, she let Scott die...I think that is in the best interest of the team :)

I keep reading about Scott being a good tactician. It's a good tactical move to cow-tow to Emma Frost? Why are we even debating Scott as a leader? Emma is pulling the strings.

Scott puts Emma in charge. Emma, who lost her first team, the Hellions, lost sync and lost her own favorites, the cuccoos. Great Idea, Scott!

[Hi-Fi]

Plus, Scott is so proud that I doubt he would let Storm interfere with his orders. That's why he made all the (wrong) decisions during The Twelve.

[Brian M.]

Well, according to you, UTVol8102, she let Scott die...I think that is in the best interest of the team :)

I keep reading about Scott being a good tactician. It's a good tactical move to cow-tow to Emma Frost? Why are we even debating Scott as a leader? Emma is pulling the strings.

Scott puts Emma in charge. Emma, who lost her first team, the Hellions, lost sync and lost her own favorites, the cuccoos. Great Idea, Scott!


Mind-Control. It's not out of the question that Emma isn't influencing Scott's choices.

[Jellobay]

She did what she had to do. What would Cyclops have done? What he does best: blast her with his optic beam killing everyone in the process.



:p

Cyclops is pretty good with his optic blasts. He could have killed her with out harming the surrounding people. ;)

But I think Cyclops would have tried to help her and maybe would have confined her to her room or something.

I mean ripping the poor little girls heart out. :(

[Kal]

I keep reading about Scott being a good tactician. It's a good tactical move to cow-tow to Emma Frost? Why are we even debating Scott as a leader? Emma is pulling the strings.

Seriously. Did you see how Emma dominated him in almost every New Mutants/Academy X issue? I know Storm would have put Emma in her place.

[Jellobay]

Seriously. Did you see how Emma dominated him in almost every New Mutants/Academy X issue? I know Storm would have put Emma in her place.

If that is the case she would have done so, instead of running off to "save mutants". More like deciding what feeling she wants for her wedding cake. ;)

[unkiedev]

Mind-Control. It's not out of the question that Emma isn't influencing Scott's choices.
Nah. The biggest telepaths in the Marvel Universe are:

Chucky x
Cassandra Nova
Jean Grey
Emma Frost
Shadow King.

Scott has had EXSTENSIVE training on protecting his brain from Chucky and Jean, arguably two of the most powerful on the list. Sure, Emma could be mind controlling Scott...but that would make him an even bigger loser, as the two best telepaths couldn’t teach him to protect himself from the third.

It’s easier to believe Scott is just a hen-pecked boyfriend. He let’s his girlfriends make most of his decisions for him.

Storm is betta’ chedda’!

[Beast]

Emma's powerful enough to mentally control both Beast and Wolverine when they were trying to kill each other, and they have just as much training and experience against Telepathic Control as Scott does. Hell, Beast managed to show temporary resistance to Cassandra Nova using Xavier's powers even. So there is a possibility that Scott could be being manipulated by Emma and not notice. Do I think that's the case, no. But it's a possibility. :)

[LordAllMighty]

LOL, so either Scott is hen-pecked or mentally controlled. :rolleyes:

Things are not looking good for the one-eyed-wonder.

[unkiedev]

Things don't look good now? Things NEVER looked good. :D

[Jellobay]

Things don't look good now? Things NEVER looked good. :D

They don't look too bad in the poll right now. :p

*** sends message to Brian to close the poll now***

[LordAllMighty]

They don't look too bad in the poll right now. :p

*** sends message to Brian to close the poll now***

LOL, you wanna win by one point :p

[Jellobay]

LOL, you wanna win by one point :p

One or one hundred; a win would be a win. :)

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I have always contended that Storm is the best leader in X-history. Cyclops wannabe Captain America act has never settled well with and never will. Storm is more interesting, better to read, and has the better chemistry with the team.

[LordAllMighty]

I have always contended that Storm is the best leader in X-history. Cyclops wannabe Captain America act has never settled well with and never will. Storm is more interesting, better to read, and has the better chemistry with the team.

HeHe...wannabe Captain America, that's just funny :)

[Jellobay]

HeHe...wannabe Captain America, that's just funny :)

Cyclops only wants to strive too be the best. Captain America is darn good leader.

Storm on the other hand strives to be someplace else when she is need most.

Both do a good job at reaching their goals. :)

[Brian M.]

A lot of people keep making the point that Storm is more interesting, isn't the question who is the better leader? Cyclops wins hands down.

[Jellobay]

A lot of people keep making the point that Storm is more interesting, isn't the question who is the better leader? Cyclops wins hands down.

That's what I've been saying. :)

[LordAllMighty]

A lot of people keep making the point that Storm is more interesting, isn't the question who is the better leader? Cyclops wins hands down.

People might feel that Storm is the better leader. Just because you feel that Cyke might be better doesn't mean everybody agree with you. ;)

[Brian M.]

People might feel that Storm is the better leader. Just because you feel that Cyke might be better doesn't mean everybody agree with you. ;)


Gee, thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

[Jellobay]

Gee, thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

LOL :D


tenten

[Novaya Havoc]

Gee, thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

Post of March.

[Kal]

Well guess who's leading the poll? Even after the poll was created when Jellobay's recruits were in full swing?

[Brian M.]

Well guess who's leading the poll? Even after the poll was created when Jellobay's recruits were in full swing?


Poll closed? OOOH No it's not. Well hey, I'll make sure to post and pound my chest when Cyclops regains the lead.

[Jake V]

Well guess who's leading the poll? Even after the poll was created when Jellobay's recruits were in full swing?
At the moment it's storm. An hour ago it was Cyclops. It's been going back and forth since the poll started.

[Sentinel K]

Well guess who's leading the poll? Even after the poll was created when Jellobay's recruits were in full swing?

Get over yourself. The poll isn't closed, and even if it was its hardly a landslide. Its 2 stinkin votes.

The poll means bugger-all. It jut shows that they're both as popular as each other.

[Jellobay]

Well guess who's leading the poll? Even after the poll was created when Jellobay's recruits were in full swing?

Jellobay's recruits ... I like that. It's like I have an army or something. :)


We are only trying to help the childern Kal. Why don't you love the children Kal ... Why?!!!! ;)

[Brian M.]

Teacher says everytime someone votes for Storm Reggie Hudlin gets to write another issue of Black Panther with her in it.

[Hi-Fi]

Cyclops only wants to strive too be the best. Captain America is darn good leader.

Storm on the other hand strives to be someplace else when she is need most.

Both do a good job at reaching their goals. :)


So Scott can leave the X-Men to marry Madelyne Pryor but Storm can't leave the team to marry Black Phanter?? (Actually she didn't. She's helping mutants in Africa)

[Brian M.]

So Scott can leave the X-Men to marry Madelyne Pryor but Storm can't leave the team to marry Black Phanter?? (Actually she didn't. She's helping mutants in Africa)


HE WAS HELPING THE ESKIMO MUTANTS!!!

[Sentinel K]

Well guess who's leading the poll? Even after the poll was created when Jellobay's recruits were in full swing?

Get over yourself. 'Jello's recruits'?!! Is that what you say to yourself to make yourself feel better, because not everyone agrees with your views?

Neither character exists!!! They are fictional. FIC-TI-ON-AL. There is no need to get a hard-on over her. It doesn't get either of us anywhere.

[Hi-Fi]

HE WAS HELPING THE ESKIMO MUTANTS!!!

;)



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[Brian M.]

;)



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Well it's true, just becuase it doesn't show any of them or name any of them doesn't mean he wasn't.

[Kal]

Get over yourself. 'Jello's recruits'?!! Is that what you say to yourself to make yourself feel better.

Neither character exists!!! There is no need to get a hard-on over her. It doesn't get either of us anywhere.

:rolleyes: *shakes head*

[Sentinel K]

:rolleyes: *shakes head*

Good response. I can see a lot of thought went into it.

[Jellobay]

HE WAS HELPING THE ESKIMO MUTANTS!!!

That was before M-day so there were tons around. Magneto used to go around beating them like baby seals. Thank god Cyclops stopped him.

[fishtaco]

The poll means bugger-all. It jut shows that they're both as popular as each other.The fact that I think that Storm is a better leader than Cyclops doesn't mean that I think that Storm is a better character. I do think that she is a better character than Cyclops, but my opinion of her leadership compared to Cyclops is not a reason for it. I can't speak for everybody else, but I hope that they didn't just vote for which character they like better. :)

[Sentinel K]

The fact that I think that Storm is a better leader than Cyclops doesn't mean that I think that Storm is a better character. I do think that she is a better character than Cyclops, but my opinion of her leadership compared to Cyclops is not a reason for it. I can't speak for everybody else, but I hope that they didn't just vote for which character they like better. :)

Interesting.

The thread title is "who is better", the poll is "who do you prefer", yet the bulk of the thread has been taken up with "who is the better leader".

Its all a bit messed up.

[fishtaco]

Interesting.

The thread title is "who is better", the poll is "who do you prefer", yet the bulk of the thread has been taken up with "who is the better leader".

Its all a bit messed up.True, but the first post poses the leadership question. :)

[Christopher O]

Dude, I understand you like Storm. I do too, but just because she is saying she is out there saving mutants in Africa does not make it so. You are assuming that she is saving all these mutants, so until you can name them don't tell me that she is not planning her wedding.
And you saying what she is be doing now is more "heroic" than the X-men or Avengers is your opinion. :) I personally don't think planning a wedding is more heroic than fighting Apocolypse. ;)
And lets for a second agree that she is out there saving Africa and it many mutants (which at most during these times could not be more than a couple dozen) how they heck does this make her a better leader. Please tell me.

Oh and dude, you do know she is a fictional character and we are talking about comic books right? :rolleyes:
Roll your eyes all you like. I'm perfectly well aware of the fact that Storm is a fictional character, but that doesn't change the fact that you are making unsubstantiated claims and ignoring what is presented on the contrary to those claims. Storm has been saving people and tracking down slavers and murderers. It's currently happening in Uncanny X-Men and Black Panther, whether you believe it or not. As for how it makes her a better leader, I never said it did. I was addressing your claims that she's in Africa doing nothing. Never once did I say it made her a better leader. Try actually reading my posts. Now, going back to the whole "but she's a fictional character" issue: this is a message board devoted to comic books and the characters that reside in them. That's what we're here to discuss. I don't think it is necessary for you or anyone else to remind me (or anyone else) that these characters are fictional. It comes across as condescending and rude, so please refrain.

[unkiedev]

Interesting.

The thread title is "who is better", the poll is "who do you prefer", yet the bulk of the thread has been taken up with "who is the better leader".

Its all a bit messed up.
I "prefer" Storm because she is "Better", mostly because she is a better leader.

[Sentinel K]

I "prefer" Storm because she is "Better", mostly because she is a better leader.

I like all the evidence you used to back that statement up.

Oh wait..... you didn't. :rolleyes:

[LordAllMighty]

I like all the evidence you used to back that statement up.

Oh wait..... you didn't. :rolleyes:

Hey, he/she is man/woman of few words but at least he/she got their point across. :p

[unkiedev]

I like all the evidence you used to back that statement up.

Oh wait..... you didn't. :rolleyes:
Wha? Gall'dangit boy, I've been posting on this gosh darn' board fer pages and pages! I've dropped tons of evidence! I'm droppin' more evidence then O.j.!

*climbs in through the monitor and chokes Sentinal K*

[Brian M.]

Wha? Gall'dangit boy, I've been posting on this gosh darn' board fer pages and pages! I've dropped tons of evidence! I'm droppin' more evidence then O.j.!

*climbs in through the monitor and chokes Sentinal K*

Apprently not enough evidence, OJ is free.

[Brian M.]

All this stuff about Storm being a better leader b/c she full of emotion is a bullshit. The entire Inferno crossover Storm easily set her team against Cyclops' X-Factor for no reason. Scott even commented on Ororo's coldness.

[Jellobay]

It comes across as condescending and rude, so please refrain.

It was ment to come across as condescending, but not as rude. I apologize if it offened you.

But this is a better leader thread, my whole point all along is she is doing nothing as a leader. But, you and a lot of the Storm supporters on here argue that she is a good person and is "saving the mutant", which has nothing to do with leadership. No one is following her, I no Wolverine came to visit her, but did he stay no.
Strom is more powerful yes. Storm is more in touch with nature, yes. Storm is a better leader, absolutely not.

[Jellobay]

All this stuff about Storm being a better leader b/c she full of emotion is a bullshit. The entire Inferno crossover Storm easily set her team against Cyclops' X-Factor for no reason. Scott even commented on Ororo's coldness.

Good point UTV. Strom as been pretty cold in a lot issues. When she left the morlocks, when she rip and child's heart out, and even now when her friends need her most. IMO.

[Sentinel K]

Wha? Gall'dangit boy, I've been posting on this gosh darn' board fer pages and pages! I've dropped tons of evidence! I'm droppin' more evidence then O.j.!

*climbs in through the monitor and chokes Sentinal K*

Fair enough.

I'll let you off.

This time. ;)

You're wrong about The Sentry though...... :D

[unkiedev]

Sentinal K, I'm fighting the war of Good Comics on two fronts right now: Cyclops is a dud and the Sentry needs a new direction.

The solution would be to have Cyclops and the Sentry lead a super team of other over-rated characters, such as late 80's Punisher and Ghost Rider, 90's Marrow and maybe...any era Gambit?

[Sentinel K]

any era Gambit?

You really know how to rile me up don't you? :p

Bastard ;)

[Brian M.]

Sentinal K, I'm fighting the war of Good Comics on two fronts right now: Cyclops is a dud and the Sentry needs a new direction.

The solution would be to have Cyclops and the Sentry lead a super team of other over-rated characters, such as late 80's Punisher and Ghost Rider, 90's Marrow and maybe...any era Gambit?

Your right, for 40 years he's a dud. Nothing interesting has ever been done / the kid. You do know the Summers' family belongs on Springer right?

[unkiedev]

No kidding! You can trace half of the X-Men to that Damn Summers/Grey clan. Disgusting inbreeders.

So I'll write a book about the aforementioned over-rated team. The first plot line would be about a Family Feud with the Guthrie Clan.

[Tre Styles]

So Scott can leave the X-Men to marry Madelyne Pryor but Storm can't leave the team to marry Black Phanter?? (Actually she didn't. She's helping mutants in Africa)

Or zip off on his bike and run away from the X-Men when he's confronted with personal issues, having Logan go and find him? ;)

[LordAllMighty]

Or zip off on his bike and run away from the X-Men when he's confronted with personal issues, having Logan go and find him? ;)

Huh...did this happen after his merging with Apocalypse?

[Jake V]

Huh...did this happen after his merging with Apocalypse?
Yeah, in the "murder at the mansion" arc of New X-Men. He took off after getting busted having an affair with Emma.

It isn't really much of a leadership issue though. Dude just wanted to get wasted.

[Storm Fan 1]

Storm, in my opinion, is a better leader than Cyclops. I think both Storm and Cyclops have equal skill in battle tactics but Storm is more in sync with her team-mates on a deeper level and has a more natural leadership ability.

[Jellobay]

Cyclops rocks. :D

[Bart Simpson]

Voted Cyclops.

[Jellobay]

Voted Cyclops.

And that is why you rock. :D

[Bart Simpson]

And that is why you rock. :D

It was an easy decision. Just voted for the better leader. ;)

[Jellobay]

It was an easy decision. Just voted for the better leader. ;)

In the words of Pete;

Testify :)

[Tre Styles]

Yeah, in the "murder at the mansion" arc of New X-Men. He took off after getting busted having an affair with Emma.

It isn't really much of a leadership issue though. Dude just wanted to get wasted.

He should've been there with the team. Helping to solve Emma's "death". Not wallowing in self-pity. Instead they had to play "Hunt for Cyclops." again. Anytime he doesn't get his way, he runs away.

[LordAllMighty]

He should've been there with the team. Helping to solve Emma's "death". Not wallowing in self-pity. Instead they had to play "Hunt for Cyclops." again. Anytime he doesn't get his way, he runs away.

Well....speak the truth.

[Brian M.]

Well....speak the truth.

The people are speaking, Cyclops 36 Storm 35.

[Sentinel K]

Its obvious to see that they are just as popular as each other. Neither character is ever more than 2 votes ahead of the other.

36 votes each at the moment.

[ScarletStorm]

if i go by the definition that a leader is a person who rules or guides or inspires others

then

Storm is the best leader.
Cyclops is a great tactician, but he's not someone who inspires people, he tells them or commands them.

Oh, and anyone who simply labels Ororo as "Mother" is possibly letting Storm's gender blind them from her ability to be a guiding, inspirational ruler.

That said, Storm wouldn't be such a great leader if she hadn't worked with Cyke. I like to think that her time when she first joined was a time in which she learned a lot from him.

[LordAllMighty]

The people are speaking, Cyclops 36 Storm 35.

Well at this moment, Storm is winning 38 to 36, will there ever be an end to this. :)

Its obvious to see that they are just as popular as each other. Neither character is ever more than 2 votes ahead of the other.

Agreed


That said, Storm wouldn't be such a great leader if she hadn't worked with Cyke. I like to think that her time when she first joined was a time in which she learned a lot from him.

I agree with everything you said.

[Kal]

I'm bored.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/storm29.jpg

What an ass whupping! Look at his face. Crybaby.

[Brian M.]

I'm bored.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/storm29.jpg

What an ass whupping! Look at his face. Crybaby.

Show the page where it says Maddie influenced the fight and made Cyclops lose.

[Jellobay]

if i go by the definition that a leader is a person who rules or guides or inspires others

then

Storm is the best leader.
Cyclops is a great tactician, but he's not someone who inspires people, he tells them or commands them.

Oh, and anyone who simply labels Ororo as "Mother" is possibly letting Storm's gender blind them from her ability to be a guiding, inspirational ruler.

That said, Storm wouldn't be such a great leader if she hadn't worked with Cyke. I like to think that her time when she first joined was a time in which she learned a lot from him.

If you go by the definition of a leader then Storm isn't even in the competition. You need a team to lead. ;)

Oh maybe she can form one from all the mutants she is "saving".

What were their names again? :confused:

[Kal]

Show the page where it says Maddie influenced the fight and made Cyclops lose.

Hmm I'm not the one supporting Cyclops, why should I provide evidence that contradicts my beliefs? :p Besides Maddie was lying; Storm beat Cyclops hands down.

If you go by the definition of a leader then Storm isn't even in the competition. You need a team to lead. ;)

Oh maybe she can form one from all the mutants she is "saving".

What were their names again? :confused:

Oh come on she deserves a break after being the best leader the X-men ever had for so long. And she is saving mutants; not all the mutants in the world are squatting in Xavier's mansion.

[Basara]

Cyclops got my vote. He's the first and the best team leader that the X-Men have ever had.

Stand-outs off the top of my head:

Cyc rallied the troops when Magneto had them at his mercy in his volcano base. He knew exactly how Magneto beat them so easily and came up with the plan to turn the tables on him the next time they met. For the record, Magneto knew the ambush was coming. Cyc's plan still kicked his ass. Plus, he managed to figure out how to get out of there once they were buried, despite the fact that he thought Jean was dead and Wolvie dogging him.

Next, he saw how Proteus freaked out the X-Men who had faced him and brought them back to fighting shape. This was the incident that Wolvie actually stated "I didn't think much of you as a leader or a man. I was wrong."

When the Hellfire Club had the X-Men in shackles at their mercy before them, Cyc turned the tables on the Hellfire Club and had them in complete disarray in three seconds flat. Notice, everyone jumped when he said jump without hesitation. That's leadership of Captain America magnitude.

Was the first to strike against Jean, the love of his life, rallying the others to strike at her when she reverted back to Dark Phoenix. He did this despite his feelings for her.

There are many other examples, but these came off the top of my head.

He's also the best one outside of Xavier in terms of teaching mutants how to control their powers. That's a major tenant of Xavier's vision, for without that control, humans are in danger and there can't be peace. Look at how X-Factor took in Rusty, Skids, Rictor, Artie, and Leech for this. He managed that and ran a team (which btw, ran for 79 issues before Alex took over). What's Storm done similar to this?

On a side note: Alex Summers never obsessed on how he measured up to Storm as the greatest X-Men leader ever. :D

[Brian M.]

Cyclops got my vote. He's the first and the best team leader that the X-Men have ever had.

Stand-outs off the top of my head:

Cyc rallied the troops when Magneto had them at his mercy in his volcano base. He knew exactly how Magneto beat them so easily and came up with the plan to turn the tables on him the next time they met. For the record, Magneto knew the ambush was coming. Cyc's plan still kicked his ass. Plus, he managed to figure out how to get out of there once they were buried, despite the fact that he thought Jean was dead and Wolvie dogging him.

Next, he saw how Proteus freaked out the X-Men who had faced him and brought them back to fighting shape. This was the incident that Wolvie actually stated "I didn't think much of you as a leader or a man. I was wrong."

When the Hellfire Club had the X-Men in shackles at their mercy before them, Cyc turned the tables on the Hellfire Club and had them in complete disarray in three seconds flat. Notice, everyone jumped when he said jump without hesitation. That's leadership of Captain America magnitude.

Was the first to strike against Jean, the love of his life, rallying the others to strike at her when she reverted back to Dark Phoenix. He did this despite his feelings for her.

There are many other examples, but these came off the top of my head.

He's also the best one outside of Xavier in terms of teaching mutants how to control their powers. That's a major tenant of Xavier's vision, for without that control, humans are in danger and there can't be peace. Look at how X-Factor took in Rusty, Skids, Rictor, Artie, and Leech for this. He managed that and ran a team (which btw, ran for 79 issues before Alex took over). What's Storm done similar to this?

On a side note: Alex Summers never obsessed on how he measured up to Storm as the greatest X-Men leader ever. :D


New hero.

Also look at the X-Men issue where Cyclops leads the Acolyes through the Austrailian desert. Here is a group of people who hate him yet they follow him b/c they know he'll lead them to safety. Aslo the issue where the X-Men fight Post. They are taken by surpise, Cyclops has no visor, can't see and yet, does his job perfectly.

[Basara]

Hmm I'm not the one supporting Cyclops, why should I provide evidence that contradicts my beliefs? :p Besides Maddie was lying; Storm beat Cyclops hands down.

When even Wolvie is stating that Cyclops isn't acting like himself in that duel, you know that there had to be an outside influence involved. That was revealed to be Maddie. That's canon and irrefutable.

[Jellobay]

When even Wolvie is stating that Cyclops isn't acting like himself in that duel, you know that there had to be an outside influence involved. That was revealed to be Maddie. That's canon and irrefutable.


Basara rocks. :D

[Kal]

When even Wolvie is stating that Cyclops isn't acting like himself in that duel, you know that there had to be an outside influence involved. That was revealed to be Maddie. That's canon and irrefutable.

I'm sorry but it's not canon. We all know that it was retconned into the story so that Cyclops and his fans can all feel better about themselves. Losing to a depowered woman. Oh the shame!

Basara rocks. :D

Ugh! You should all get a room or something. :p

Yay Storm is winning!!!

[Jellobay]

Yay Storm is winning!!!

By one point right now and that is because you have like 8 log on names. :p

[Karl J. Barnes]

I'm sorry but it's not canon. We all know that it was retconned into the story so that Cyclops and his fans can all feel better about themselves. Losing to a depowered woman. Oh the shame!





More like losing to Claremont and his love of Storm...

[Basara]

I'm sorry but it's not canon. We all know that it was retconned into the story so that Cyclops and his fans can all feel better about themselves. Losing to a depowered woman. Oh the shame!

Does anybody here really think that Scott, with his head in the game, would have ever lost that duel?

I mean, other than Kal?

Logan stated it in that very issue. Scott was making mistakes he normally would never make. Ororo didn't beat Scott. Scott had lost the duel before he even stepped in the Danger Room. His mind was muddled, he wasn't thinking clearly.

Add to that the fact that Maddie was able to manipulate Storm and the X-Men into attacking X-Factor using her latent psi abilities, and you're fighting a losing battle on the retcon issue.

More proof of Cyc's tactical greatness:
When Mastermind was making the X-Men think that Maddie was Dark Phoenix, Scott not only figured out who was behind the attack, but succesfully fought off the entire team (who believed they were fighting Dark Pheonix herself), and manipulated them until he was able to isolate Rogue for the purpose of breaking the illusion.

In that session, Cyclops defeated a fully powered Storm. Rogue had to catch Storm's unconcious body before she splatted on the Danger Room floor. That's how he isolated Rogue.

I concede that Storm may be a better ambassador, but Scott, at his best, has always been the better general.

[Kal]

By one point right now and that is because you have like 8 log on names.

Yeah right! Maybe you should tell us how you manipulated members into your Cyclops army :p

More like losing to Claremont and his love of Storm...

:rolleyes:

Does anybody here really think that Scott, with his head in the game, would have ever lost that duel?

I mean, other than Kal?

Logan stated it in that very issue. Scott was making mistakes he normally would never make. Ororo didn't beat Scott. Scott had lost the duel before he even stepped in the Danger Room. His mind was muddled, he wasn't thinking clearly.

Add to that the fact that Maddie was able to manipulate Storm and the X-Men into attacking X-Factor using her latent psi abilities, and you're fighting a losing battle on the retcon issue.

More proof of Cyc's tactical greatness:
When Mastermind was making the X-Men think that Maddie was Dark Phoenix, Scott not only figured out who was behind the attack, but succesfully fought off the entire team (who believed they were fighting Dark Pheonix herself), and manipulated them until he was able to isolate Rogue for the purpose of breaking the illusion.

In that session, Cyclops defeated a fully powered Storm. Rogue had to catch Storm's unconcious body before she splatted on the Danger Room floor. That's how he isolated Rogue.

I concede that Storm may be a better ambassador, but Scott, at his best, has always been the better general.

Try again. I can't prove it was a retcon and nether can you prove it wasn't. But we both know all signs point to it being one; I remember all the Cyclops fanatics threatening never to buy another X-book again just because he got beat down by a depowered woman..........................................Jus t kidding!

[Stone Temple Pilot]

Yeah Cyclops was always billed as a natual born leader anyway, so I think its only logical to go with him (and maybe I just enjoy the classic roles too much)... not that Storm is necessarily a bad one, but not at all better than Scott... Plus I just haven't seen anything that would really ever justify Storm over Scott, but then again I don't read too many new x-comics :(

[Jellobay]

Yeah Cyclops was always billed as a natual born leader anyway, so I think its only logical to go with him (and maybe I just enjoy the classic roles too much)... not that Storm is necessarily a bad one, but not at all better than Scott... Plus I just haven't seen anything that would really ever justify Storm over Scott, but then again I don't read too many new x-comics :(

Please make sure you vote for Cyclops in the poll Stone. :)

[Basara]

Try again. I can't prove it was a retcon and nether can you prove it wasn't. But we both know all signs point to it being one

So now you claim that it just might be a retcon? You seemed pretty sure that it just had to be one before. :confused:

Now, let me insert another discussion point. Storm won leadership of the Morlocks by defeating Callisto. Several years later, the Morlocks were slaughtered by the Marauders.

How would things have been different if Scott, instead of Ororo, had won that knife duel instead? Would Slim have hand-picked and trained a group of lieutenants amongst the Morlocks to not only keep the peace amongst the Morlocks, but would have also been trained to protect them against such incursions on their territory? I see this as a distinct probability, given Scott's dedication to all points of Xavier's dream (including how to control one's powers and defend themselves).

I could easily see Scott putting such a team through the paces on at least a weekly basis and arguing with Callisto (the only natural choice for field leader of the Morlock defenders) about maintaining a perimeter guard, establishing escape plans for civvie types, etc.

It's entirely possible that the Mutant Massacre would have never happened if some real leadership had been shown. Storm dropped the ball as leader of the Morlocks. I certainly hope the mutants of Africa get better treatment. :p

[Kal]

It's entirely possible that the Mutant Massacre would have never happened if some real leadership had been shown. Storm dropped the ball as leader of the Morlocks. I certainly hope the mutants of Africa get better treatment. :p

Not this again. You want to hold Storm responsible for the Mutant Massacre? Fine. Then Cyclops is responsible for the massacre at Genosha; he had a chance to kill Cassandra Nova before she did any major damage but he didn't. What a weakling! :p

[Bart Simpson]

Not this again. You want to hold Storm responsible for the Mutant Massacre? Fine. Then Cyclops is responsible for the massacre at Genosha; he had a chance to kill Cassandra Nova before she did any major damage but he didn't. What a weakling! :p

Well since Storm is more likely to kill and seems to have no problem ripping the hearts out of teenage girls, I blame her for taking a chunk of X-Men and leaving. If she had been there she would have probably ripped out Cassandra's heart too and all would have been well. But wait, she was vacationing in Spain and got Psylocke killed instead right? The blame game is fun. :p :D

[Tre Styles]

So now you claim that it just might be a retcon? You seemed pretty sure that it just had to be one before. :confused:

Now, let me insert another discussion point. Storm won leadership of the Morlocks by defeating Callisto. Several years later, the Morlocks were slaughtered by the Marauders.

But didn't she still delegate that leadership to Callisto?

How would things have been different if Scott, instead of Ororo, had won that knife duel instead? Would Slim have hand-picked and trained a group of lieutenants amongst the Morlocks to not only keep the peace amongst the Morlocks, but would have also been trained to protect them against such incursions on their territory? I see this as a distinct probability, given Scott's dedication to all points of Xavier's dream (including how to control one's powers and defend themselves).

First, was Scott around to step up to the plate of challenging Callisto? And if so, why didn't he?
Scott's track record with things involving Mr. Sinister really aren't that good. It's possible that he could've done that, but he didn't take the inititative to do so, nor did he show concern over helping the Morlocks at all. If Scott felt that Ororo wasn't leading the Morlocks correctly, why, as a leader, did he not confront her on it? Why did he not offer to take over? Or at the very least share these tatics that he may or may have not implemented himself. Or whose to say that they didn't? We don't always see everything that happens. The Morlock's leader was Calisto. Storm was more of a ceremonial leader for them, because she defeated Callisto. But it was Callisto who was in charge. Yes, Storm may have to take some of the heat, but again, her leadership in the X-Men has been proven time and time again. This incident, although very tragic and sad, is also a minor one.

I could easily see Scott putting such a team through the paces on at least a weekly basis and arguing with Callisto (the only natural choice for field leader of the Morlock defenders) about maintaining a perimeter guard, establishing escape plans for civvie types, etc.

It's entirely possible that the Mutant Massacre would have never happened if some real leadership had been shown. Storm dropped the ball as leader of the Morlocks. I certainly hope the mutants of Africa get better treatment. :p

And on the flip side,Scott has also dropped the ball plenty of times during his run. How did his leadership protect them from Inferno? Onslaught? Operation Zero Tolerance? Now? Especially now. What is he doing with ONE on their front lawn? He has been totally ineffective in my eyes. Storm is thinking global, Scott is thinking local.

[Jellobay]

And on the flip side,Scott has also dropped the ball plenty of times during his run. How did his leadership protect them from Inferno? Onslaught? Operation Zero Tolerance? Now? Especially now. What is he doing with ONE on their front lawn? He has been totally ineffective in my eyes. Storm is thinking global, Scott is thinking local.

Storm is thinking, let me run from the serious problem and not be there for my friends and extended family. And how is hiding out in Africa thinking globally?
Cyclops is facing the problem and is thinking more globally than Storm. He's been send out X-men to help his friends and enemy to get them back to the mansion.

[LordAllMighty]

Cyc rallied the troops when Magneto had them at his mercy in his volcano base. He knew exactly how Magneto beat them so easily and came up with the plan to turn the tables on him the next time they met. For the record, Magneto knew the ambush was coming. Cyc's plan still kicked his ass. Plus, he managed to figure out how to get out of there once they were buried, despite the fact that he thought Jean was dead and Wolvie dogging him.

Next, he saw how Proteus freaked out the X-Men who had faced him and brought them back to fighting shape. This was the incident that Wolvie actually stated "I didn't think much of you as a leader or a man. I was wrong."

When the Hellfire Club had the X-Men in shackles at their mercy before them, Cyc turned the tables on the Hellfire Club and had them in complete disarray in three seconds flat. Notice, everyone jumped when he said jump without hesitation. That's leadership of Captain America magnitude.

Was the first to strike against Jean, the love of his life, rallying the others to strike at her when she reverted back to Dark Phoenix. He did this despite his feelings for her.

There are many other examples, but these came off the top of my head.

I have ever issue you mentioned and I’ve always thought Cyke was a good leader during the 80’s and early 90’s. But what has he done lately?

Well other then asked Emma if he can go to the bathroom and piss.

Man I miss the old CYCLOPS. :(


He's also the best one outside of Xavier in terms of teaching mutants how to control their powers. That's a major tenant of Xavier's vision, for without that control, humans are in danger and there can't be peace.

Let’s not forget the other part. You know the part where mutants and humans co-exist, which seems to be the one Storm handles the most.


On a side note: Alex Summers never obsessed on how he measured up to Storm as the greatest X-Men leader ever. :D

That’s right Alex is the pinnacle of judgment when it comes to the leadership of the X-Men. (Just joking somewhat :))

[Tre Styles]

Storm is thinking, let me run from the serious problem and not be there for my friends and extended family. And how is hiding out in Africa thinking globally?
Cyclops is facing the problem and is thinking more globally than Storm. He's been send out X-men to help his friends and enemy to get them back to the mansion.

He has? All I've read is them on their lawn being monitored by the ONE. He sent out X-men to help which friends exactly? Sent them to help which enemies? Those 198 came because it was announced. Storm did not think "let me run from my friends and extended family". She is not "hiding out" in Africa. She's actually doing something, whereas Scott is sitting around cowtowing and bowing down to the man.
Here's the convo that originally took place:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/TreStyles1/StormandCykeconvo.jpg
Storm was right. It's a disaster at the mansion. And she recently told Bishop that she would be back. The mutants in NY were NOT the only ones that lost thier powers. Someone should be helping former mutants as well as current. ANd if Storm felt she wanted to go back to her homeland and help others there, then why the hell not? Why must ALL the X-Men be at the mansion, all gathered in one place where they can all be struck at? Obviously not a brilliant move. Now you have not only the government to deal with, but now Apocalypse is in the mix. So, tell me, what exactly makes this the best move for Scott? Why not let a few X-Men help Storm? And also notice this, Storm did not want to usurp Scott and Emma's authority, because she knew, she could influence and lead others away from him. She still shows respect for his authority, and he also has shown that he honors her decision, but doesn't want to allow anyone else to help her in her efforts in Africa, nor does he send the X-Men to other parts of the world where people have been decimated....and if he does as you said, which I haven't seen, it's only been to bring them all back into one central location, which makes it easier for them to be picked off. Of course, you could blame all this on Emma if it makes it easier for you....why is the Grey family dead? Emma's fault. What about the DEAD Academy X students....oh, must be Emma again....oh, Storm's not there, so it's her fault. Yeah, way to pass the buck.....luv u man. :p

[Brian M.]

http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/obscene/eck15.gif STORM

[Kal]

http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/obscene/eck15.gif STORM

Storm http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-024.gif UTVol8102

[Brian M.]

Storm
http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/sterb078.gif

[LordAllMighty]

Storm is thinking, let me run from the serious problem and not be there for my friends and extended family. And how is hiding out in Africa thinking globally?

Where are you getting this from?

Cyclops is facing the problem and is thinking more globally than Storm. He's been send out X-men to help his friends and enemy to get them back to the mansion.

So in other words, he’s staying in the comfortable mansion while other members of the X-Men go out and help distressed mutants.

Yet, Storm is getting criticized by you and others, even though she doing the same thing by herself. DOULBLE STANDARDS MUCH.

[Sentinel K]

Its nice to see such intelligent discussion going on.


:rolleyes:

[Brian M.]

Stormhttp://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/sterb192.gifCyclops

[Jellobay]

He has? All I've read is them on their lawn being monitored by the ONE. He sent out X-men to help which friends exactly? Sent them to help which enemies? Those 198 came because it was announced. Storm did not think "let me run from my friends and extended family". She is not "hiding out" in Africa. She's actually doing something, whereas Scott is sitting around cowtowing and bowing down to the man.
Here's the convo that originally took placeluv u man. :p

Well I like the luv u man part. :)

He sent out empath to save Magma and he has welcomed in many villians to his home.
Storm was right on one account, it is selfish for her not to help them out. Who are these mutants the is saving. There are not any.
I see she asked Cyclops to send her team to her. She asking her leader to send her team to her.
How many of her team went to her and stayed? No one. Wolverine went for a visit and thats it.
At the end of that Storm says you know how to get a hold of me if you need me. Hello, he said he needed you now Storm. Maybe she just meant, tell me when you need me and the danger and all the hard work has past. :)

[Jellobay]

Where are you getting this from?



So in other words, he’s staying in the comfortable mansion while other members of the X-Men go out and help distressed mutants.

Yet, Storm is getting criticized by you and others, even though she doing the same thing by herself. DOULBLE STANDARDS MUCH.

But LAM she is not doing it. Where are all the mutants she saved. Is she hiding them out in Black Panthers palace?

Maybe she will let them be a part of the wedding. Ushers or something.

[Kal]

Its nice to see such intelligent discussion going on.


:rolleyes:

Isn't it past your bedtime?

Storm http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/waffen/violent-smiley-056.gif Cyclops

[Sentinel K]

Isn't it past your bedtime?

Storm http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/waffen/violent-smiley-056.gif Cyclops

Mummy lets me stay up till whenever i like.

I'm a big boy now.

[Jellobay]

Mummy lets me stay up till whenever i like.

I'm a big boy now.


I'm suprised, since you forgot mothers day. :(

Cyclops rocks. :D

[Brian M.]

Stormhttp://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/sterb312.gifCyclops

[Sentinel K]

I'm suprised, since you forgot mothers day. :(

Cyclops rocks. :D

Since when is my MOTHER the subject of this thread?

Run out of (vaguely) relevent points to make? :rolleyes:

[Jellobay]

Since when is my MOTHER the subject of this thread?

Run out of (vaguely) relevent points to make? :rolleyes:

To all the people who voted Storm, I never had a relevent point to make. :D

[LordAllMighty]

But LAM she is not doing it. Where are all the mutants she saved. Is she hiding them out in Black Panthers palace?

Maybe she will let them be a part of the wedding. Ushers or something.

What's funny about this whole conversation is that she doing this right now.

Storm is actually doing something other then sitting at the mansion praying that nothing goes wrong. :rolleyes:

[LordAllMighty]

Double Post. :(

[Jellobay]

What's funny about this whole conversation is that she doing this right now.

Storm is actually doing something other then sitting at the mansion praying that nothing goes wrong. :rolleyes:

I know it a lot of hard work planning for a Wedding. Who has time to help out friends when here are place settings to pick. ;)

[Jellobay]

Double Post. :(

That post almost had me convinced. Good argument though. :p

[LordAllMighty]

To all the people who voted Storm, I never had a relevent point to make. :D

Like we couldn't see that a mile away. :D I still like talking to you.

I know it a lot of hard work planning for a Wedding. Who has time to help out friends when here are place settings to pick. ;)

Look she a black woman, she has to take time out to get her hair and nails did before the wedding. :p

[Jellobay]

Like we couldn't see that a mile away. :D I still like talking to you.



Look she a black woman, she has to take time out to get her hair and nails did before the wedding. :p

Well that is any woman, but now you are getting it. Its an important day in her life. :)

[Faded]

UTVol!!!!! :mad:

You are abusing the smilies I gave you! :mad:

[Jellobay]

UTVol!!!!! :mad:

You are abusing the smilies I gave you! :mad:


I thought they were put to good use. :)

[Brian M.]

UTVol!!!!! :mad:

You are abusing the smilies I gave you! :mad:


But but but...YOU WON'T DO THAT THING WITH YOUR TONGUE ANYMORE AND I GOT BORED!!!!!



:eek: Oh crap she's gonna kill me.

[Jellobay]

But but but...YOU WON'T DO THAT THING WITH YOUR TONGUE ANYMORE AND I GOT BORED!!!!!



:eek: Oh crap she's gonna kill me.


Your dead dude. So what kind of funeral would you like.

[Kal]

Faded is a she?

[Jellobay]

Faded is a she?

Yes, she is a she. Faded is all woman. :)

You would now this if you ever ventured out to the X-cres thread.

We don't bite. Well UTV does, but it he is on meds for it. :)

[Brian M.]

Your dead dude. So what kind of funeral would you like.


Open casket, so that way she can't really hurt me that bad.

[Jellobay]

Open casket, so that way she can't really hurt me that bad.

I would say something about not knowing the difference anyway, but I shall refrain. :)

Cyclops rocks.

[Jellobay]

Yes back to within one. Who ever voted for Cyclops just now. You Rock. :D

[AlexApprobation]

Storm is awesome.

That is all.

[Tre Styles]

Well I like the luv u man part. :)

He sent out empath to save Magma and he has welcomed in many villians to his home.
Storm was right on one account, it is selfish for her not to help them out. Who are these mutants the is saving. There are not any.
I see she asked Cyclops to send her team to her. She asking her leader to send her team to her.
How many of her team went to her and stayed? No one. Wolverine went for a visit and thats it.
At the end of that Storm says you know how to get a hold of me if you need me. Hello, he said he needed you now Storm. Maybe she just meant, tell me when you need me and the danger and all the hard work has past. :)


It will always be love. These are fictional characters after all is said and done. Now to go back to debate mode. She said "maybe it was selfish of her". I don't think she's being selfish at all. Yes, SHE asked her leader, because any good leader knows how to submit to authority, or they wouldn't be a leader at all. Of course she would ask Scott. She's not rebellious, or she would've just told everyone to leave. As she said, the team needs to have confidence in its leaders, and rather than cause discension, she said she would just follow his directions. She knows how to give and take orders, just like Scott. And the team didn't go with her, because as was stated, SCOTT said NO. As for your last point, if Scott truly needed her, then he would've order her to return. He didn't order her, but he allowed her to do what was necessary in Africa, or rather he didn't challenge her decision, because he knew that Storm was correct.

In the end, I know that Scott is a good leader, but right now he's not really doing that great of a job.

[Jellobay]

It will always be love. These are fictional characters after all is said and done. Now to go back to debate mode. She said "maybe it was selfish of her". I don't think she's being selfish at all. Yes, SHE asked her leader, because any good leader knows how to submit to authority, or they wouldn't be a leader at all. Of course she would ask Scott. She's not rebellious, or she would've just told everyone to leave. As she said, the team needs to have confidence in its leaders, and rather than cause discension, she said she would just follow his directions. She knows how to give and take orders, just like Scott. And the team didn't go with her, because as was stated, SCOTT said NO. As for your last point, if Scott truly needed her, then he would've order her to return. He didn't order her, but he allowed her to do what was necessary in Africa, or rather he didn't challenge her decision, because he knew that Storm was correct.

In the end, I know that Scott is a good leader, but right now he's not really doing that great of a job.

But you just said he let her go because he knew it was right. But he is not being a good leader, doing what is right?
And I think you explained well the Storm knows Cyclops is a better leader and the rest of the X-men do too. If they thought Cyclops was a worse leader than Storm they wouldn't have listen to him say no, but they know who is better and who has been there for them.
Either that or they just don't like the color of the brides maid outfits. ;) Its a toss up. :)

[Kal]

Yes, she is a she. Faded is all woman. :)

You would now this if you ever ventured out to the X-cres thread.

We don't bite. Well UTV does, but it he is on meds for it. :)

Everytime I browse through the X-Cres thread the discussion is always poop related :p

Yes back to within one. Who ever voted for Cyclops just now. You Rock.

Huh? We're two votes ahead :D


In the end, I know that Scott is a good leader, but right now he's not really doing that great of a job.

Oh you don't have to be so modest; we all know that Cyclops sucks and Storm rocks!!!

[Jellobay]

[QUOTE=Kal]Everytime I browse through the X-Cres thread the discussion is always poop related :p

QUOTE]


Occasionally we talk comics. We've talk religion, sports, anything someone wants to bring to the table.

So..... bring something to the table Kal. Except Storm, there is no Storm talking there. ;)

[Brian M.]

[QUOTE=Kal]Everytime I browse through the X-Cres thread the discussion is always poop related :p

QUOTE]


Occasionally we talk comics. We've talk religion, sports, anything someone wants to bring to the table.

So..... bring something to the table Kal. Except Storm, there is no Storm talking there. ;)

Isn't that Poop talk still?

[Jellobay]

[QUOTE=Jellobay]

Isn't that Poop talk still?

touche' :)

[LordAllMighty]

And I think you explained well the Storm knows Cyclops is a better leader

So what color is the sky in your world? ;) I bet it's a nice magenta color

From what I read, Storm didn't say anything about Scott being a better leader. Her only comments was that she didn’t want to cause any confusion between the teams when is comes to leadership of the X-Men at this point of time.


and the rest of the X-men do too. If they thought Cyclops was a worse leader than Storm they wouldn't have listen to him say no, but they know who is better and who has been there for them.

Ororo never spoke to her team members about joining her in Africa, so we have no idea if her team would have followed her (well we already know they would have :)). As far as we know, this was a personal conversation between both of the leaders of the X-Men.

Cyke does not outrule Storm when it comes to the X-Men.

[Jellobay]

So what color is the sky in your world? ;) I bet it's a nice magenta color

From what I read, Storm didn't say anything about Scott being a better leader. Her only comments was that she didn’t want to cause any confusion between the teams when is comes to leadership of the X-Men at this point of time.
Ororo never spoke to her team members about joining her in Africa, so we have no idea if her team would have followed her (well we already know they would have :)). As far as we know, this was a personal conversation between both of the leaders of the X-Men.
Cyke does not outrule Storm when it comes to the X-Men.

Well obviously he does. Since she asked him to send her team and he said (and I am paraphrasing) "Never, because all you ever do is run when the going gets tough. You are not half the leader I am and you know it."
And then she repied (I think the cut this out of the American Direct edition) "Yes, Scott you are right. I have been living in your shadow for some time pretending to be something I'm not. Maybe if I can't be a great leader, I can at least be a Queen. Isn't Black Panther still single?" And then she left trap the poor Avenger in her web of evil. :evilsmile

[Kal]

Well obviously he does. Since she asked him to send her team and he said (and I am paraphrasing) "Never, because all you ever do is run when the going gets tough. You are not half the leader I am and you know it."
And then she repied (I think the cut this out of the American Direct edition) "Yes, Scott you are right. I have been living in your shadow for some time pretending to be something I'm not. Maybe if I can't be a great leader, I can at least be a Queen. Isn't Black Panther still single?" And then she left trap the poor Avenger in her web of evil. :evilsmile

You're sure this wasn't all in your mind? This is what I remember reading:

Storm: Scott send me my team.
Cyclops: No, I can't. *whimpers*
Storm: You better send them or else I'll fly down and give you a second ass whupping. *commanding tone*
Cyclops: *crying* Please Ororo, I need them here; I can't handle this on my own. I wish you were here to lead the team, you're the best leader the X-Men ever had *sobs uncontrollably*
Storm: :D I know.

[Jellobay]

You're sure this wasn't all in your mind? This is what I remember reading:

Storm: Scott send me my team.
Cyclops: No, I can't. *whimpers*
Storm: You better send them or else I'll fly down and give you a second ass whupping. *commanding tone*
Cyclops: *crying* Please Ororo, I need them here; I can't handle this on my own. I wish you were here to lead the team, you're the best leader the X-Men ever had *sobs uncontrollably*
Storm: :D I know.

Now you are just being silly. You know they make medication for that. :)

[LordAllMighty]

Well obviously he does. Since she asked him to send her team and he said (and I am paraphrasing) "Never, because all you ever do is run when the going gets tough. You are not half the leader I am and you know it."
And then she repied (I think the cut this out of the American Direct edition) "Yes, Scott you are right. I have been living in your shadow for some time pretending to be something I'm not. Maybe if I can't be a great leader, I can at least be a Queen. Isn't Black Panther still single?" And then she left trap the poor Avenger in her web of evil. :evilsmile

LOL :D

I've told you once, take the blue pills not the pink ones because they make you delusional.

[Jellobay]

LOL :D

I've told you once, take the blue pills not the pink ones because they make you delusional.

They have open the door to truth, my kind sir. :)

Storm has clouded (get it clouded) your mind to her lack of leadership abilities. :)

I am just here spreading the truth to the masses.

[LordAllMighty]

They have open the door to truth, my kind sir. :)

Storm has clouded (get it clouded) your mind to her lack of leadership abilities. :)

I am just here spreading the truth to the masses.

See, this is the main reason why people hate drugs. They make people lose their minds. It really is sad when you see somebody you consider a former peer go that route.

So, so, so sad :(

Anyway...how long before will call the winner of the poll? I'll say after we get 100 votes.

[Jellobay]

See, this is the main reason why people hate drugs. They make people lose their minds. It really is sad when you see somebody you consider a former peer go that route.

So, so, so sad :(

Anyway...how long before will call the winner of the poll? I'll say after we get 100 votes.

I say the battle will never be finished. As long as Storm (better leaders) believers lurk in the depths of CBR I will not stop beating back their madness.

Or at least until Cronin deletes us. :)

[Mind Shadow]

OoOoOooo!! Look at how far my topic went! :D

[Brian M.]

OoOoOooo!! Look at how far my topic went! :D

You have caused this board to be come divided, we are polarized...you should be ashamed...


Kidding. It is a good topic.

[Tre Styles]

You have caused this board to be come divided, we are polarized...you should be ashamed...


Kidding. It is a good topic.


This is what really split the internet in half. ;)

[Holland]

My girl Storm got it going on.
Oh, I tied it!

[Anodyne]

When even Wolvie is stating that Cyclops isn't acting like himself in that duel, you know that there had to be an outside influence involved. That was revealed to be Maddie. That's canon and irrefutable.
It's canon that the Goblin Queen made that claim. It is not canon that the GQ was telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Here's what the GQ said in X-Factor #38 about the duel:

Goblin Queen: "I knew what was needed. Scott had to be humiliated, defeated, so that he would leave his beloved X-Men and cling only to me."

Compare that to Madelyne's actual thoughts during the duel:

Maddie: "I want Scott to lose, so he'll be coming with us. Except losing will break his heart. Oh, why can't it be because he wants to, instead of because he has no other choice?"

And whattaya mean, "revealed to be Maddie"? We saw Madelyne openly attempting to influence Scott in Uncanny #201:

Scott: "I have a responsibility to the X-men, Madelyne.".

Maddie: "There's no one else to do the job--not Ororo?!"

Scott: "Storm has no powers. She'd be a liability in a combat situation."

Maddie: "Listen to yourself Scott! Are you saying you--and you alone--are absolutely essential to the X-men's survival?! Or--are you afraid.....they really can get along without you? Is your life so hollow--your sense of self-worth so fragile--that you believe you're nothing without them?! What about me, what about us? My commitment to you precludes EVERYTHING--are you telling me the same doesn't hold true in reverse?"

All Maddie needed to influence Scott were her tongue, her temper, and the truth. No secret telepathy, no clandestine manipulation. Just plain, candid human speech. Scott's mind wasn't fully focued on the duel because his conscience told him Madelyne was right.

Scott said that Storm without powers would be a liability in a fight. Stom showed how easily Cyclops's uncontrollable powers could be turned into a liability.

BTW, Wolverine didn't say Cyclops had never been a good leader; he said he was no longer up to the job.

[Madrox84]

Well myself i prefer Storm, but that's just me.

[Mr. Jip]

Maddie: "Listen to yourself Scott! Are you saying you--and you alone--are absolutely essential to the X-men's survival?! Or--are you afraid.....they really can get along without you? Is your life so hollow--your sense of self-worth so fragile--that you believe you're nothing without them?! What about me, what about us? My commitment to you precludes EVERYTHING--are you telling me the same doesn't hold true in reverse?"

All Maddie needed to influence Scott were her tongue, her temper, and the truth. No secret telepathy, no clandestine manipulation. Just plain, candid human speech. Scott's mind wasn't fully focued on the duel because his conscience told him Madelyne was right.

Scott said that Storm without powers would be a liability in a fight. Stom showed how easily Cyclops's uncontrollable powers could be turned into a liability.

BTW, Wolverine didn't say Cyclops had never been a good leader; he said he was no longer up to the job.


A~~men, sistah. ;) :cool: :rolleyes: :p

[Jellobay]

All Maddie needed to influence Scott were her tongue, her temper, and the truth. No secret telepathy, no clandestine manipulation. Just plain, candid human speech. Scott's mind wasn't fully focued on the duel because his conscience told him Madelyne was right.

You state that as fact, that is just your opinion. The opinion of others on here differ. :)

[Tre Styles]

It's canon that the Goblin Queen made that claim. It is not canon that the GQ was telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Here's what the GQ said in X-Factor #38 about the duel:

Goblin Queen: "I knew what was needed. Scott had to be humiliated, defeated, so that he would leave his beloved X-Men and cling only to me."

Compare that to Madelyne's actual thoughts during the duel:

Maddie: "I want Scott to lose, so he'll be coming with us. Except losing will break his heart. Oh, why can't it be because he wants to, instead of because he has no other choice?"

And whattaya mean, "revealed to be Maddie"? We saw Madelyne openly attempting to influence Scott in Uncanny #201:

Scott: "I have a responsibility to the X-men, Madelyne.".

Maddie: "There's no one else to do the job--not Ororo?!"

Scott: "Storm has no powers. She'd be a liability in a combat situation."

Maddie: "Listen to yourself Scott! Are you saying you--and you alone--are absolutely essential to the X-men's survival?! Or--are you afraid.....they really can get along without you? Is your life so hollow--your sense of self-worth so fragile--that you believe you're nothing without them?! What about me, what about us? My commitment to you precludes EVERYTHING--are you telling me the same doesn't hold true in reverse?"

All Maddie needed to influence Scott were her tongue, her temper, and the truth. No secret telepathy, no clandestine manipulation. Just plain, candid human speech. Scott's mind wasn't fully focued on the duel because his conscience told him Madelyne was right.

Scott said that Storm without powers would be a liability in a fight. Stom showed how easily Cyclops's uncontrollable powers could be turned into a liability.

BTW, Wolverine didn't say Cyclops had never been a good leader; he said he was no longer up to the job.

Speak the truth. :cool:

[FieryBalrog]

Nah. The biggest telepaths in the Marvel Universe are:

Chucky x
Cassandra Nova
Jean Grey
Emma Frost
Shadow King.

Scott has had EXSTENSIVE training on protecting his brain from Chucky and Jean, arguably two of the most powerful on the list. Sure, Emma could be mind controlling Scott...but that would make him an even bigger loser, as the two best telepaths couldn’t teach him to protect himself from the third.

It’s easier to believe Scott is just a hen-pecked boyfriend. He let’s his girlfriends make most of his decisions for him.

Storm is betta’ chedda’!

Emma is bush-league. See Nova's comment Astonishing 13.

I dont think she's mind controlling Cyke.

[Brian M.]

The Vagina does something to you. When a woman really knows how to use the vagina she can make a man do ANYTHING. Emma has an experienced Vagina and therefore is controlling Scott through that.

[FieryBalrog]

The Vagina does something to you. When a woman really knows how to use the vagina she can make a man do ANYTHING. Emma has an experienced Vagina and therefore is controlling Scott through that.

:eek: :D interesting theory.

[Mind Shadow]

The Vagina does something to you. When a woman really knows how to use the vagina she can make a man do ANYTHING. Emma has an experienced Vagina and therefore is controlling Scott through that.

Does the "Vagina" have side-effects? :rolleyes:

[Brian M.]

Does the "Vagina" have side-effects? :rolleyes:

Yea it can. It can ruin lives.

[fishtaco]

The Vagina does something to you. When a woman really knows how to use the vagina she can make a man do ANYTHING. Emma has an experienced Vagina and therefore is controlling Scott through that.It may be an interesting idea, but for some reason, I don't think that this is what Whedon and the editors plan to reveal. ;)

[Brian M.]

It may be an interesting idea, but for some reason, I don't think that this is what Whedon and the editors plan to reveal. ;)

I wouldn't be so sure. Buffy's Vagina screwed up Angel. Buffy's Vagina saved Spike. Buffy's Vagina helped out that meat head army guy in the college years. Currently Vagina is the one thing many American's have going for them. Bush, the only positive thing the man has going for him is Laura Bush. Ironic that Bush's best friend is a Vagina. Look at the French...the whole country is a bunch of Vagina's. I'm telling you, screw the Phoenix Force, screw the Cosmic Cube, the Power Cosimc, the Vagina is the revolving force in the Marvel Universe.

Dam the Vagina....sometimes

[Novaya Havoc]

The Vagina does something to you. When a woman really knows how to use the vagina she can make a man do ANYTHING. Emma has an experienced Vagina and therefore is controlling Scott through that.

You're my favorite internet Republican, UT, but relax. <lol> It's Scott being a giant douche more than Emma being fabulous.

[Brian M.]

You're my favorite internet Republican, UT, but relax. <lol> It's Scott being a giant douche more than Emma being fabulous.

I'm telling you it's a conspircy. The Vagina is out to rule the world.

[Jellobay]

I wanted to take time with this post to apologize to all the Storm voters out there. I just read Uncanny 471 and yes I was wrong.
I was wrong to say Storm was not out there saving mutants, I can admit it.
Clearly it was right there for me too see and I apologize.

I really do