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K'Nort
03-20-2006, 08:50 AM
On the radio this morning. There's a free song floating about the internet, including the iTunes Music Store. I can't get excited about it, however. Changing vocalists seems to pretty much turn it into a cover band.

March 14, 2006 Rundgren at the wheel of New Cars

Cars guitarist Elliot Easton and keyboardist Greg Hawkes have drafted Todd Rundgren to front a new version of the band, dubbed the New Cars, Billboard reports.

The lineup is rounded out by singer/bassist Kasim Sulton (a partner with Rundgren in Utopia) and Tubes drummer Prairie Prince (Rundrgen has produced albums for the Tubes).

The New Cars will hit the road with new Rick and Roll Hall of Famers Blondie beginning May 12 at the Grand Casino Tunica Event Center in Robinsonville, Miss., the first of 28 scheduled shows.

"The hopes are after that to do Europe and beyond that, Australia, Asia and New Zealand, and then come back, and do another swing of the States," Easton says.

Original Cars vocalist Ric Ocasek and drummer David Robinson are not involved in the new endeavor; original bassist/vocalist Ben Orr passed away in 2000. and drummer David Robinson.

"When Ric made it clear to us that he really no longer wished to tour, and Greg and I wanted to do this thing, we sort of cast about for who we could get to be in the band. Who would be a great frontman and a great writer?" Easton told Billboard.com. "I sort of came up with a very short list, and Todd was at the top of it. To my very pleasant surprise, he was receptive to the idea. It's just a great fit. It sounds terrific. He's a lot of fun to play with."

The newly formed quintet debuted in front of an invite-only audience in January in Burbank, Calif. Several tracks from that show will be released May 9 on the album "It's Alive" via Eleven Seven Music. The set also features three new tracks penned by Easton, Hawkes and Rundgren, "Not Tonight," "Warm" and "More."

"We have played, but they're not shows in the sense that it was a venue where somebody could buy a ticket," Rundgren said. "We had to come up with some sort of recorded product, and it was always the intent to come up with a live album. It just was also the intent to have played live before we did that. So we had an invited audience on a soundstage, and we played three nights. We tried to make it as much of a gig as possible, but reality-wise, it was the first three shows we ever played."

As for the new tracks, Rundgren said "they were the final product of a process of various combinations of us getting together and trying to write songs -- including alone, in twos and sometimes all of us together. Just trying to figure out what we wanted to play, and how we could update the sound and not lose original Cars fans."

Fans who purchase the concert tickets via VH1Classic.com or Ticketmaster.com will receive free five-song download bundles from eMusic.com of tracks from "It's Alive" plus unreleased live Blondie recordings and the band's new cover of Roxy Music's "More Than This."

Easton said there is no ill will between Ocasek and the New Cars. "I have been in contact with (Ocasek)," he says. "I read in some press thing that Ric did where he said he just wanted to see Greg and I be happy. I thought that was a very nice thing to say, and I wish him the same."

The Cars broke up acrimoniously in the late 1980s amid declining sales. By calling itself the New Cars, the band avoids legal traps that dog acts when they reunite with different lineups.

Adam Crocker
03-20-2006, 09:13 AM
Easton said there is no ill will between Ocasek and the New Cars. "I have been in contact with (Ocasek)," he says. "I read in some press thing that Ric did where he said he just wanted to see Greg and I be happy. I thought that was a very nice thing to say, and I wish him the same."

I've actually read a statement by Ric himself (have to dig out the link later) in which he pretty much said that.

Of course I also read Todd Rundgren basically say to the press: yeah we need the money.

The Cars broke up acrimoniously in the late 1980s amid declining sales. By calling itself the New Cars, the band avoids legal traps that dog acts when they reunite with different lineups.

Legal traps yes. Loss of dignity by taking out an act with the key creative member missing? That's dicier.


Changing vocalists seems to pretty much turn it into a cover band.

On the other hand it's quite the cover band. Instead of just getting any vocalist they got Todd Rundgren.

K'Nort
03-20-2006, 09:31 AM
They were discussing this on the radio this morning when I woke up. One question was whether it makes a difference when the original singer etc has died. Like the Paul Rogers/Queen tour. And this was the first I knew about Orr dying.

Adam Crocker
03-20-2006, 10:00 AM
They were discussing this on the radio this morning when I woke up. One question was whether it makes a difference when the original singer etc has died. Like the Paul Rogers/Queen tour.

Don't forget the 'Riders of the Storm' formerly 'Doors of the 21st Century'. Of course in both those cases the singer was a major creative force in the band. In the Cars' case it Ric Ocasek.

Then there's Morrison and Mercury being integral to the sound and image of their respective bands. I don't know how much this is the case with the Ocasek and Orr in regards to the Cars, but I'm not that familiar with the bands.

Anyways I'll think about this and try to give an answer later.

leonaozaki
03-20-2006, 10:42 AM
As far as I know Ocasek and Orr were the only singers. So the music may sound the same but I'd doubt it's going to sound like the Cars. This is maybe not as bad as Brian May and Roger Taylor hooking up with Paul Rodgers but it's not far off.

And, yes, I have heard the Queen/Rodgers combo. It's truly horrifying in its awfulness. Brian May, reduced to playing Bad Company songs? How sad.

rob

Adam Crocker
03-20-2006, 10:44 AM
And, yes, I have heard the Queen/Rodgers combo. It's truly horrifying in its awfulness. Brian May, reduced to playing Bad Company songs? How sad.

He's playing Bad Company songs? Dear god.

Dennis K
03-20-2006, 10:59 AM
Here's what I don't really understand; one of the reasons the original Cars broke up to begin with is that people stopped giving a crap about them in the late 80s, what in the world would make them think there's a grassroots movement to see a pseudo-Cars in 2006? I mean, I think the Cars debut album is brilliant, and still play it quite a bit, but come on.

leonaozaki
03-20-2006, 12:09 PM
He's playing Bad Company songs? Dear god.

Yes, you haven't "lived" until you've heard Brian May play "Feel Like Making Love" while Paul Rodgers sings it.

How the mighty have fallen.

rob

Adam Crocker
03-20-2006, 12:56 PM
Here's what I don't really understand; one of the reasons the original Cars broke up to begin with is that people stopped giving a crap about them in the late 80s, what in the world would make them think there's a grassroots movement to see a pseudo-Cars in 2006?

Hey the same strategy has made money for the rest of Queen plus Paul Rodgers as well as Ray Manzerek and Robby Krieger. So it's not like they don't have precedent working in their favour.

Yes, you haven't "lived" until you've heard Brian May play "Feel Like Making Love" while Paul Rodgers sings it.

Actually, that disposable slice of arena rock is the ONLY Bad Company song I've been able to listen to.

howyadoin
03-20-2006, 03:55 PM
On the face of it, it doesn't seem like such a bad idea. They're actually collaborating on new songs, and like Adam said, it's Todd Rundgren.

Not like they replaced Ocasek with the singer from Good Charlotte.

Adam Crocker
03-20-2006, 04:13 PM
On the face of it, it doesn't seem like such a bad idea. They're actually collaborating on new songs, and like Adam said, it's Todd Rundgren.

Well Ray Manzarek's Wonderfull Doors Tribute Band was also working on a new songs too from what I heard.

But as you reiterated, the Cars got an accomplished pop singer/songwriter with his own personality to fill Ocasek's void. Manzarek and Krieger got a guy from a somewhat unconventional 80s goth-turned-hard rock band that has been trying to be Morrison throughout his career. (Though I admit that beyond "She Sells Sanctuary" I haven't been able to get into the Cult.) So the New Cars chances are probably better than most bands trying this.

howyadoin
03-20-2006, 04:16 PM
Well Ray Manzarek's Wonderfull Doors Tribute Band was also working on a new songs too from what I heard.

But as you reiterated, the Cars got an accomplished pop singer/songwriter with his own personality to fill Ocasek's void. Manzarek and Krieger got a guy from a somewhat unconventional 80s goth-turned-hard rock band that has been trying to be Morrison throughout his career. (Though I admit that beyond "She Sells Sanctuary" I haven't been able to get into the Cult.) So the New Cars chances are probably better than most bands trying this.And of course - though this is a judgement call - Elliot Easton is a shitload more talented than Manzarek.

He hasn't spent the last 30 years dry-humping anybody's corpse for money, either.

Adam Crocker
03-20-2006, 04:31 PM
And of course - though this is a judgement call - Elliot Easton is a shitload more talented than Manzarek.

No arguments there, but then again I like the Cars much more than the Doors.

He hasn't spent the last 30 years dry-humping anybody's corpse for money, either.

He also hasn't published fan fiction about said corpse either.

Dennis K
03-20-2006, 04:37 PM
the New Cars chances are probably better than most bands trying this.


Chances for what?

Jonathan Bogart
03-20-2006, 05:04 PM
Chances for what?
Not sucking.

Dennis K
03-20-2006, 07:08 PM
Not sucking.


Ah, okay, but I'm not sure not sucking and nobody giving a shit is much of a goal.

Buried Alien
03-20-2006, 10:01 PM
No arguments there, but then again I like the Cars much more than the Doors.

If the two bands merge, will they be called the Car Doors?

*Runs*

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Rob Imes
03-21-2006, 10:16 AM
This is interesting, although it looks a bit desperate on Todd's part. I'm a fan of Todd and Kasim Sulton, and neat to see Prairie Prince involved, too (who has played drums on Todd and XTC albums). But to me, that lineup looks more like Utopia than The Cars. Perhaps there is so little interest in Utopia anymore that "The New Cars" is the best way to sell more records and concert tickets. Me, I would just rather have a revived Utopia, preferably doing studio albums. It's been 20 years since the last Utopia studio album, that I know of, and around 30 years since the band formed.

ZombieHavoc
03-22-2006, 02:22 PM
Hey the same strategy has made money for the rest of Queen plus Paul Rodgers as well as Ray Manzerek and Robby Krieger. So it's not like they don't have precedent working in their favour.



Actually, that disposable slice of arena rock is the ONLY Bad Company song I've been able to listen to.

shooting star is a way better song than feel like making love.

howyadoin
03-22-2006, 02:40 PM
shooting star is a way better song than feel like making love.So is "Rock 'n' Roll Fantasy".

DDM
03-22-2006, 03:07 PM
The Cars are really Rick Ocasik (sp?) & the other guy who died of a heart attack, Benjamin Orr. This new incarnation of the Cars is really nothing more than a pathetic attempt to rake in cash with the Cars name. I believe they only call themselves the New Cars not to get into a lawsuit with Rick Ocasik.

howyadoin
03-22-2006, 03:09 PM
The Cars are really Rick Ocasik (sp?) & the other guy who died of a heart attack, Benjamin Orr.You don't think Elliot Easton's guitar was part of the band's sound at all?

DDM
03-22-2006, 03:12 PM
You don't think Elliot Easton's guitar was part of the band's sound at all?

Sure, it was.

(character limit)

Dennis K
03-22-2006, 03:22 PM
Ocasek and Orr's voices were pretty similar, the vocals, combined with the guitar made the Cars what they were IMO.

Adam Crocker
03-22-2006, 03:25 PM
I believe they only call themselves the New Cars not to get into a lawsuit with Rick Ocasik.

I remember them basically saying that the new name is to avoid legal wrangles. However, the flip-side of that is Ocasek has said he's fine with this venture even though he has no interest.

Dennis K
03-22-2006, 03:27 PM
I remember them basically saying that the new name is to avoid legal wrangles. However, the flip-side of that is Ocasek has said he's fine with this venture even though he has no interest.


Let The Cars R.I.P.

Shellhead
03-22-2006, 03:38 PM
Let The Cars R.I.P.

I think an appropriate name for this new group would be "The Used Cars."

Dennis K
03-22-2006, 03:39 PM
I think an appropriate name for this new group would be "The Used Cars."


"Junk Cars"

DDM
03-22-2006, 04:57 PM
I think an appropriate name for this new group would be "The Used Cars."

Used Cars is more appropriate than New Cars.

Dennis K
03-24-2006, 06:28 AM
On the other hand it's quite the cover band. Instead of just getting any vocalist they got Todd Rundgren.


Not that Todd Rundgren is any big deal anymore, if he was, he wouldn't be part of this.