Info on Civil War: X-men

[Twigglet]

Hine is writing! Great, Son of M is awesome!

http://www.newsarama.com/WWLA06/Marvel/HINE_XMENCW.htm

[Beast]

Holy crap. It's going to center on the original four. Sweet!!

I've been complaining for ages that they need to get them in a book together again. :)
DH: A few mutant stragglers?! Let’s not oversell this book. How about Cyclops, Beast, Ice Man and Angel! They are the surviving members of the Original X-Men. That’s very significant. There’s a real ‘end-of-an-era’ feel to this series and it’s appropriate that these four are the core characters.
And it looks like this is where 198 file survivors Sabra and Micromax are going to turn up. :)
DH: The above mentioned four and Bishop will be the main players along with Sabra and Micromax to give the book an international feel. I’m also bringing in Shatterstar, Domino and Caliban from X-Force. Then we have Sentinels, including three brand-new kick-ass redesigned models, and lots of 198-ers.

[lament]

I like the sound of this. I was worrying that Angel would be shelved for a while. I'm glad he'll be part of this. Hine is quickly becoming one of my favorite writers.

[Porcelain]

According to the Cup of Joe Angel has big things coming Lament.

Orignal 4 and...Bishop. I'm actually now kinda interested, especially given the angles CC has been giving Bishop of late and that we don't know where he's going once the new creative teams hit...

[Sentinel K]

This is cool beans.

Can't wait.

Its been TOO LONG since the original X-guys were together.

[Faded]

The original four is cool but I'm not too big a fans of the X-Force characters that'll be co-starring.

It sounds pretty cool though.

[Beast]

Hmmm, wonder if this is going to be launching a new X-Force series after Civil War is over. After all, there doesn't seem much other reason to bring in Shatterstar, Domino and Caliban from X-Force. And with the inclusion of Bishop, I wonder if he'll take over as leader of X-Force with Cable's rejoining of the X-Men. :)

[Sentinel K]

Hmmm, wonder if this is going to be launching a new X-Force series after Civil War is over. After all, there doesn't seem much other reason to bring in Shatterstar, Domino and Caliban from X-Force. And with the inclusion of Bishop, I wonder if he'll take over as leader of X-Force with Cable's rejoining of the X-Men. :)

It would be a bit of a crap X-Force. Shatterstar and Domino are the only characters that aren't in another book now.

And if it DOES happen, Liefeld better stay the hell away.

[countryfan2004]

I'm disappointed there was no mention of Husk! AH! What is going to happen with her and Warren?!

[Beast]

It would be a bit of a crap X-Force. Shatterstar and Domino are the only characters that aren't in another book now.

And if it DOES happen, Liefeld better stay the hell away.
Caliban's only appearing in X-Men: The 198 Files at the moment. And Bishop isn't on any teams with the upcoming restructering. Maybe We'll get a few more of those 198 Files folks joining up as well.

[streator]

i'll probably pick this up now. i enjoyed yanick's work on gambit (3rd series).
sabra being around sounds cool too.

[Brian M.]

Only thing in that had to sell me on this was two words, Original X-Men. That's it. If Jean was it I would join jeangreydp in an air-humping-mastabatory (sp) marathon.

I'm sold. I can't wait for it. I was kinda nervous about not really liking some of the characters they owuld be using considering that they said the X-Men would be off world when this happens.

[Kal]

Oh God no! Not the original five(minus one)

[Beast]

Oh God no! Not the original five(minus one)
Heh. You seem to be the minority in not liking them. The comics have needed a reunion of them for ages. Now if only Jean would return and we'd get X-Factor 2. :D

[Kal]

Heh. You seem to be the minority in not liking them. The comics have needed a reunion of them for ages. Now if only Jean would return and we'd get X-Factor 2. :D

It's not that I don't like them(execpt for Angel): I just think that they always seem more interesting with other characters; together they are just boring. :p

[Brian M.]

It's not that I don't like them(execpt for Angel): I just think that they always seem more interesting with other characters; together they are just boring. :p

See I think the exact opposite. I love them. They have shared so much together that I wish when Jean comes back they have one of those catch up issues where you have all of them, just them sitting around a table or something and just talking.

[Owens 23]

I wish when Jean comes back they have one of those catch up issues where you have all of them, just them sitting around a table or something and just talking.

Bendis can write this, and stretch it out over a 6 issue story to boot.

[Beast]

Hopefully Iceman can finally break Beast out of that depressing 'Sadsack' mode he's been in for so long. You can see the hints of the playful charming humorous Beast here and there in Astonishing, but he's still not back to his usual self. The issue of X-Men Unlimited with Beast showing up at the end of Bobby writing his resignation letter and announcing he'd finished all of Bobby's cereal and then running off while being chased by Iceman was one of those classic moments between the pair that I've missed. :)

[Beast]

Bendis can write this, and stretch it out over a 6 issue story to boot.
God no. Keep Bendis away from the Original Five. He didn't even write Beast and Cyclops well in HoM. :p

[Kal]

Hopefully Iceman can finally break Beast out of that depressing 'Sadsack' mode he's been in for so long. You can see the hints of the playful charming humorous Beast here and there in Astonishing, but he's still not back to his usual self. The issue of X-Men Unlimited with Beast showing up at the end of Bobby writing his resignation letter and announcing he'd finished all of Bobby's cereal and then running off while being chased by Iceman was one of those classic moments between the pair that I've missed. :)

They should go out on one of their pretend heterosexual double dates. That would be nostalgic.

[Beast]

They should go out on one of their pretend heterosexual double dates. That would be nostalgic.
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[fishtaco]

Ugh. I'll give it a try, but only because Domino is in it. Crossovers suck.

[Beast]

Ugh. I'll give it a try, but only because Domino is in it. Crossovers suck.
It's not really a crossover. It's a tie-in miniseries. The X-Men do exist in the same universe as the rest of the 616 Marvel books. So at least they're recognizing it as occuring, even if it's not fully addressed in the main books.

[fishtaco]

It's not really a crossover. It's a tie-in miniseries. The X-Men do exist in the same universe as the rest of the 616 Marvel books. So at least they're recognizing it as occuring, even if it's not fully addressed in the main books.What I don't understand is, how can Cyclops, Beast, and Iceman all be in this while they are on adventures in the core X-titles at the same time? Appearances need to be limited. Sigh.

And it is a crossover. It's just not the type of crossover that starts in one issue, and continues in another issue of another book, etc etc etc. There's no need for this.

[Beast]

What I don't understand is, how can Cyclops, Beast, and Iceman all be in this while they are on adventures in the core X-titles at the same time? Appearances need to be limited. Sigh.

And it is a crossover. It's just not the type of crossover that starts in one issue, and continues in another issue of another book, etc etc etc. There's no need for this.
By now you should realize that not every book takes place at the same time. Just because a book takes 6 issues to tell a story, doesn't mean that those characters are busy for 6 months. They do other things outside of their appearances in the their specific core books. Why else do you think Wolverine can be so many places at once. And you just disagreed with your own arguement. It's not a crossover, it's a tie-in. The books are not crossing over with anything. It's an independant mini-series that is involved with Civil War. There is a difference, as it doesn't interrupt the storylines going on in the main books. :p

[fishtaco]

By now you should realize that not every book takes place at the same time. Just because a book takes 6 issues to tell a story, doesn't mean that those characters are busy for 6 months. They do other things outside of their appearances in the their specific core books. Why else do you think Wolverine can be so many places at once. :pBut I know that you think that Wolverine is overexposed, so why would you use that as an example? I suppose guest-starring is okay, but it's gotten really silly. Claremont exited Wolverine from Uncanny X-Men for a four issue mini. That means that Wolverine gets 100% spotlight in his own book for four issues, while more spotlight is devoted to all of the other characters on the roster while Wolverine was gone. Shadowcat and Wolverine were exited from the book for six issues. Colossus should have left Astonishing X-Men for five issues for his mini series, but Whedon is 0% flexible, so it didn't happen. Kitty should have exited AXM for six issues, but no. Nightcrawler and Bishop should have maybe been featured less in Uncanny X-Men because they had their own ongoing titles. Doing otherwise is a common source of story decompression.

While I don't like what's going on with Storm at the moment, I'm glad she is not a current cast member of any book. She can't just keep going back from Africa and New York all the time. Putting Storm in Uncanny X-Men in the past few months would cause the book decompression. The only time this ever worked was in the early days of Wolverine's first ongoing solo title, only because of Gateway's teleporting abilities (as explained in Wolverine (2nd Series) #17). :)

[Beast]

But I know that you think that Wolverine is overexposed, so why would you use that as an example? I suppose guest-starring is okay, but it's gotten really silly. Claremont exited Wolverine from Uncanny X-Men for a four issue mini. That means that Wolverine gets 100% spotlight in his own book for four issues, while more spotlight is devoted to all of the other characters on the roster while Wolverine was gone. Shadowcat and Wolverine were exited from the book for six issues. Colossus should have left Astonishing X-Men for five issues for his mini series, but Whedon is 0% flexible, so it didn't happen. Kitty should have exited AXM for six issues, but no. Nightcrawler and Bishop should have maybe been featured less in Uncanny X-Men because they had their own ongoing titles. Doing otherwise is a common source of story decompression.

While I don't like what's going on with Storm at the moment, I'm glad she is not a current cast member of any book. She can't just keep going back from Africa and New York all the time. Putting Storm in Uncanny X-Men in the past few months would cause the book decompression. The only time this ever worked was in the early days of Wolverine's first ongoing solo title, only because of Gateway's teleporting abilities (as explained in Wolverine (2nd Series) #17). :)
Yes, I think Wolverine's over-exposed. But there's reasonable time for him to appear in all the books he does, even though I don't like seeing it happen. Why would Colossus leave Astonishing for five issues, when there is a reasonable period for him to leave, have his solo adventure, and then return to the books. Your argument doesn't make very much sense at all. Just because a character guest stars or has a solo, mini or otherwise, doesn't mean that they don't have sufficiant time to appear in all the books. Astonishing X-Men #1-#12 took over a year to tell, but the flow of time in the actual stories isn't anywhere close to that. :p

And you clearly have no bloody clue what decompression seriously means, if you think a character appearing from another book or another series is a cause of decompression. Character appearances are just that, interlinked title continuity. It makes a great deal more sense for characters to show up every once in a while, especially with all three teams stationed in the same spot. I wish they'd interact more than they do, because it makes sense for serious threats to the other X-Men to pop up and lend a hand.

[Owens 23]

What I don't understand is, how can Cyclops, Beast, and Iceman all be in this while they are on adventures in the core X-titles at the same time?


The X-Men have their own personal jet plane the Black Bird. Pro athletes and movie stars travel the same way, which is why they can appear in several cities in the same day.

[Faded]

But I know that you think that Wolverine is overexposed, so why would you use that as an example? I suppose guest-starring is okay, but it's gotten really silly. Claremont exited Wolverine from Uncanny X-Men for a four issue mini. That means that Wolverine gets 100% spotlight in his own book for four issues, while more spotlight is devoted to all of the other characters on the roster while Wolverine was gone. Shadowcat and Wolverine were exited from the book for six issues. Colossus should have left Astonishing X-Men for five issues for his mini series, but Whedon is 0% flexible, so it didn't happen. Kitty should have exited AXM for six issues, but no. Nightcrawler and Bishop should have maybe been featured less in Uncanny X-Men because they had their own ongoing titles. Doing otherwise is a common source of story decompression.


But Nightcrawler, Bishop, Kitty, and Colossus weren't so heavily spotlighted that it made it seem like there wasn't a lot of time for them to do other things. It doesn't complicate things as much to me as Wolverine (when he was in all the core titles, plus his solo, Jubilee, Gambit, Rogue, and New Avengers).

I'd normally agree with you regarding cameos/guest appearances, but with everyone currently in the same place and same time and about only one character really being spotlighted in each core book, it makes more sense right now.

[Beast]

Well, Wolverine's interaction in Jubilee was very minor. He popped up to drag Jubilee back to Westchester and the X-Men. As for Rogue, the whole Adjectiveless team showed up in that to lend Rogue a hand, so perfectly reasonable. Gambit he was only around for 2-3 issues and didn't really do anything incredibly signifigant. And the most he's done in New Avengers is eat donuts and drink coffee. ;) :D

[fishtaco]

And you clearly have no bloody clue what decompression seriously means, if you think a character appearing from another book or another series is a cause of decompression. Character appearances are just that, interlinked title continuity. It makes a great deal more sense for characters to show up every once in a while, especially with all three teams stationed in the same spot. I wish they'd interact more than they do, because it makes sense for serious threats to the other X-Men to pop up and lend a hand.I said it's decompression because it uselessly fills up space with content that could be done somewhere else. If there is a 4 page sequence of, say, Wolverine raiding an AIM facility while he also has an ongoing title, it's a waste of four pages. Decompression. Just like how there wasn't enough "meat" in each issue of HoM 1-8, due to the ridiculous amount of multi-page spreads and lack of narrative. Those four pages of Wolverine raiding an AIM facility could have been used to go more in depth in regards to something else. So many things can be done in four pages...

[Beast]

I said it's decompression because it uselessly fills up space with content that could be done somewhere else. If there is a 4 page sequence of, say, Wolverine raiding an AIM facility while he also has an ongoing title, it's a waste of four pages. Decompression. Just like how there wasn't enough "meat" in each issue of HoM 1-8, due to the ridiculous amount of multi-page spreads and lack of narrative. Those four pages of Wolverine raiding an AIM facility could have been used to go more in depth in regards to something else. So many things can be done in four pages...
If the writer is telling a story that involves Wolverine raiding a AIM facility, then it will appear in the comics. People throw the word 'Decompression' around way too much now adays, and you're guilty of it as well. There was plenty of meat in HoM #1-#8, it just utilized a slow burn. We had one issue for set-up, two issues to showcase the altered reality and set everything up, two issues to get things prepared, and two issues for the main assault, with an issue for wrap-up. That's fairly traditional storytelling pacing.

[Hi-Fi]

Sounds good. Hine is a very competent writer. But Shatterstar???? Bleargh! A least Domino is coming back...

I suppose that Brubaker's team will already be in space at that time.

[Lawrence]

That interview made me think (shock!)

You know how Beast (the character) keeps going on about all that energy disappearing and everything? I think that may be something to do with Vulcan what with him being an energy manipulator. He might be using his powers to draw upon the energy and using the abilities within those energies or something. Just a thought.

[d newton]

If the writer is telling a story that involves Wolverine raiding a AIM facility, then it will appear in the comics. People throw the word 'Decompression' around way too much now adays, and you're guilty of it as well. There was plenty of meat in HoM #1-#8, it just utilized a slow burn. We had one issue for set-up, two issues to showcase the altered reality and set everything up, two issues to get things prepared, and two issues for the main assault, with an issue for wrap-up. That's fairly traditional storytelling pacing.
We could have had HOM done in 4 issues:
1 issue for the set-up, 2 issues for the main assault & 1 issue for the wrap-up. Did we need the issues showcasing the HOM reality / getting prepared? No! ;)

[Beast]

We could have had HOM done in 4 issues:
1 issue for the set-up, 2 issues for the main assault & 1 issue for the wrap-up. Did we need the issues showcasing the HOM reality / getting prepared? No! ;)
Yes, we did. Since it was interesting to see where those characters were in their altered lives. Four issues wouldn't have been nearly enough time to tell such a massive all encompassing story. :p

[Sentinel K]

I actually like the relatively slow pacing of HoM.

I'm sure it reads better in trade form though.

[Beast]

I actually like the relatively slow pacing of HoM.

I'm sure it reads better in trade form though.
I've heard it reads much better in trade form. :)

[Nyssane]

By "198," I hope he doesn't mean the dreadful cast of the title of the same name. I'm still waiting for other members of the 198, like Tempo or Shinobi Shaw to step into the fray and DO something.

And of course, if my beloved Cargill appears, then I'll buy it.

[Neolucifer]

We could have had HOM done in 4 issues:
1 issue for the set-up, 2 issues for the main assault & 1 issue for the wrap-up. Did we need the issues showcasing the HOM reality / getting prepared? No!

err yes we did ..
Whtas even the point of a "alternative" reality storyline if you dont even bother showing the different lifestyle of the characters in the new world ?

Anyway i disagree that HoM was that decompressed . Imo it had the necessary amount of issue to tell its story . Imo it only feel that slow and dragged upon because most of the time the action scenes and fight in each issue are mostly given double pages . The fights are there , they just arent given as much importance and care , than some people would like .

[UniqueFrequency]

Oh God no! Not the original five(minus one)

why not? They're the best X-Team ever! they need to get a series started on the original 5 (when jean eventually comes back... again)

[fishtaco]

err yes we did ..
Whtas even the point of a "alternative" reality storyline if you dont even bother showing the different lifestyle of the characters in the new world ?

Anyway i disagree that HoM was that decompressed . Imo it had the necessary amount of issue to tell its story . Imo it only feel that slow and dragged upon because most of the time the action scenes and fight in each issue are mostly given double pages . The fights are there , they just arent given as much importance and care , than some people would like .That's the problem. There was very little told story in HoM because of the two page spreads that took up all that room. Imagine a pack of candy bits (just bear with me here). Each bit has it's own, unique taste. Sounds good, right? Now, imagine if the packet of candy cost, oh, $2.99. Because of the candy's good reputation and popularity, most people will buy it anyway, because it's worth it. So, let's say someone buys a pack of the candy for $2.99, and when they open it up, the packet is completely filled with the candy, but there are only about 10 pieces of candy in there (big pieces), when there can be, say, 32 pieces that last longer. When you realize this, you realize that you have been ripped off. If you bought a beer and the bartender only filled the glass halfway, would you just drink it without telling him to fill it the whole way up?

Same applies here. The ultimate source of the story decompression is Marvel's obsessive compulsive disorder in regards to the trade paper back format. Because the tpb format usually requires six issue story arcs (approx), the stories are dragged out longer than they need to be. Multi-page spreads are often added in to take up space, in order to total out to six issues.

This is Marvel's biggest problem. The return of these ridiculous crossovers are only making it worse.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Personally I think HoM's biggest problem was that completely unnecessary mini-serieses that were hyped with it. Especiallt the Spider man and Mutopia ones.

The comic shop I work with has three long boxes of HoM left because people kept changing their minds on getting it after it was already ordered.


I can get you a good deal on 20 + complete sets of those mini's each.

[d newton]

Yes, we did. Since it was interesting to see where those characters were in their altered lives. Four issues wouldn't have been nearly enough time to tell such a massive all encompassing story.

Err, yes we did.. What was even the point of a "alternative" reality storyline if you don't even bother showing the different lifestyle of the characters in the new world?
That's what the tie-ins were for. People like myself weren't interested exploring the character's personal lives, we just wanted to see the fights! :D

[Faded]

House of M had very little meat to it IMO. Regardless of how it reads as a whole--issues are still sold individually...very few of which I felt had enough story to warrant the price as an individual.

Pay-offs are all good and dandy (though this particular one I was unhappy with), but still--the build-up should still be interesting and IMO in HoM's case it wasn't.

[Kal]

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Shame on you Beast! :p

Can someone please explain what decompression is?

[Neolucifer]

That's what the tie-ins were for. People like myself weren't interested exploring the character's personal lives, we just wanted to see the fights!

Yeah right... i can see the Spiderman tie-in covering the whole MU and not be centered onto Spidey and his gang :rolleyes:

[Affinity]

DAVID HINE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

*ahem* Sorry. I'm excited for this.

[Crimson]

Eck... Hine has been so Hit and Miss with me.

Mutopia X was a Miss (but that could be because I didn't know alot about the characters)
Colossus: Bloodline was a Miss
198 is so-so
Daredevil Redemption was so-so
Son of M is a Hit

I hope this title is good. Most of his books have a good idea but don't really fire on all cylinders.

Once again this idea has me interested. Seeing all the orignal X-Men together (sans Jean sadly) is something I've wanted to see for a while. Hopefully this will be a hit.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

And it looks like this is where 198 file survivors Sabra and Micromax are going to turn up. :)

I guess he wont be rejoining Excalibur after all, then. :(

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Eck... Hine has been so Hit and Miss with me.

Mutopia X was a Miss (but that could be because I didn't know alot about the characters)
Colossus: Bloodline was a Miss
198 is so-so
Daredevil Redemption was so-so
Son of M is a Hit

I hope this title is good. Most of his books have a good idea but don't really fire on all cylinders.

Once again this idea has me interested. Seeing all the orignal X-Men together (sans Jean sadly) is something I've wanted to see for a while. Hopefully this will be a hit.

I know what you mean.

I thought Mutopia X was a lacklustre, hand his Colossus mini quite pointless.

I'm also not really getting a lot from Son of M, but largely because I've always found the Inhumans to be a bit grating.

I have enjoyed 198 though, bar the artwork.

I think he better suits a more pulpy/indy story. He just knows how to write those better.

[UniqueFrequency]

Eck... Hine has been so Hit and Miss with me.

Mutopia X was a Miss (but that could be because I didn't know alot about the characters)
Colossus: Bloodline was a Miss
198 is so-so
Daredevil Redemption was so-so
Son of M is a Hit

I hope this title is good. Most of his books have a good idea but don't really fire on all cylinders.

Once again this idea has me interested. Seeing all the orignal X-Men together (sans Jean sadly) is something I've wanted to see for a while. Hopefully this will be a hit.

same here.

i what i've read, Daredevil Redemption is the best. DIstrict X was good for the first 5-6 issues. Son of M is a little confusing and 198 is okay. So i hope he can pull this off 'cause i find it hard to forgive people who write the original x-men wrong (like chuck austen)

[fishtaco]

I've heard it reads much better in trade form. :)And I'm sure it does, too. That's the problem with these crossovers and six issue story arcs. It's all about the tpb now. And what does Mark Millar, Civil War's writer say about it? "Waiting for the trade is for pussies". :rolleyes: