Difference between X-men and Uncanny X-men? [Archive]

ibrakeforchinwe

03-18-2006, 06:40 AM

They're two different books. ;) Thats the main difference.

X-Men started in 1990 I believe. X-Men and Uncanny X-Men were then the two main X-Titles.

Right now Uncanny is the book with all the popular characters and X-Men is the one with all the reject characters(not that I dont like them, but they arent A-List X-Men).

Right now(but soon to change in both books) the line ups are X-Men: Rogue, Iceman, Havok, Polaris, and Gambit. Uncanny: Marvel Girl, Psylocke, Bishop, Nightcrawler and Cannonball.

The new line ups in June are going to be X-Men: Rogue, Sabertooh, Mystique, Cable, Cannonball and Iceman. Uncanny will be Marvel Girl, Nightcrawler, Havok, Polaris, Xavier, and Warpath.

Effect

03-18-2006, 07:00 AM

Isn't the main focus in Uncanny X-men, Marval Girl III, making it kinda like the unofficial Marvel Girl III book? Kinda how the X-men movies are pretty much Wolverine movies in all but name?

slayer2005

03-18-2006, 07:05 AM

Isn't the main focus in Uncanny X-men, Marval Girl III, making it kinda like the unofficial Marvel Girl III book? Kinda how the X-men movies are pretty much Wolverine movies in all but name?

Before it was Psylocke and Marvel Girl.

Effect

03-18-2006, 07:23 AM

slayer2005

03-18-2006, 07:39 AM

I don't get it. What makes Marvel Girl III so popular? Is just because the author perfers to write female characters or is it because Jean is now gone that fans need their Jean Gray fix and do it via Marvel Girl?

Does it stand to reason that once Jean comes back, her (Marvel Girl III's) popularity might just dry up?

Actually, Rachel wasn't used for a long time (I think 7 years our time). Claremont created her in place of Jean post-Dark Phoenix Saga. So when Jean came back, the two met twice (one was in X-Factor, the other was in Excalibur) before Jean got married (Rachel was also there). However, it was either the writers or the editors thought that since Jean's here, Rachel can be put into limbo. Thus, her exposure and popularity decreased.

I knew Claremont wasn't the one who brought her back, but she made her place before Reload. Maybe Claremont wanted to reintroduce Rachel again to new readers.

Any statements I've made you see wrong, feel free to correct me.

Daithi

03-18-2006, 07:43 AM

I don't get it. What makes Marvel Girl III so popular? Is just because the author perfers to write female characters or is it because Jean is now gone that fans need their Jean Gray fix and do it via Marvel Girl?

Does it stand to reason that once Jean comes back, her (Marvel Girl III's) popularity might just dry up?

Well Rachel is certainly one of Claremont's favourite characters to write. Unlike Jean and Storm, Rachel doesn't have the A-list status and therefore seems to go unnoticed by editorial and Claremont has more freedom in writing her. Rachel's also has being gone for nealy 10 years prior to her return so she seems like a fresh character I suppose.

I don't think Rachel is popular (certainly any solo book wouldn't be a success) but she has got a lot of exposure and some good storylines recently. The fact that DoFP seems to be happening for real now and given Rachel's status as the DoFP character doesn't hurt either.

Who knows what will happen when Jean comes back. A mini featuring the two would be interesting. The last time Jean came back, Rachel and Jean were on separate teams for 10 years which people tend to forget and go with once Jean came back Rachel went to limbo. The reason Ray went into Limbo was just to further Cable's backstory also.

Rachel seems to be a main character in Brubacker's Uncanny though given her relationship to Vulcan, Havok and the Shi'ar.

Owens 23

03-18-2006, 10:29 AM

They're two different books. ;)
Right now Uncanny is the book with all the popular characters and X-Men is the one with all the reject characters(not that I dont like them, but they arent A-List X-Men).

The book with the popular characters is Astonishing X-Men. And Uncanny has more reject characters than X-Men does. The only character that is mega popular in Uncanny is Nightcrawler, the rest are Claremont's pet characters and are not very popular.

Sentinel K

03-18-2006, 10:48 AM

protege

03-18-2006, 10:55 AM

The book with the popular characters is Astonishing X-Men. And Uncanny has more reject characters than X-Men does. The only character that is mega popular in Uncanny is Nightcrawler, the rest are Claremont's pet characters and are not very popular.
Well, that makes sense- I can't think of any other reason to have such a lopsided team as "Astonishing."

larroca fan

03-18-2006, 11:09 AM

i know the real difference, uncanny x-men has a fantastic writer and x-men has the better artist. (claremont) (larroca)

Effect

03-18-2006, 11:12 AM

Figured and heard that the difference between the titles was their focus. Where as Astonishing was more focused on the school (teachers, how things affect it, etc). X-men being more of strike force, doing different missions. With Uncanny doing other things. Aren't they in space or suppose to be going to space or something?

Owens 23

03-18-2006, 11:46 AM

I think your throwing the word 'popular' around a bit too much.

All the characters from all 3 core titles have their fans. They are ALL popular. If they weren't then they wouldn't be in the books (ala Marrow, CeCe Reyes, Thunderbird III, Lifegaurd etc).

I'm not the poster who brought up the popularity thing first, my post was just addressing the other posters throwing around the word popularity. And not all the characters in the X-Men comics are popular with the fans, they are just liked by the writer of the book who chose to have them on the roster. Just because a character is on a X-Men team does not make them automatically popular with legions of fans.

Beast

03-18-2006, 11:55 AM

I'm not the poster who brought up the popularity thing first, my post was just addressing the other posters throwing around the word popularity. And not all the characters in the X-Men comics are popular with the fans, they are just liked by the writer of the book who chose to have them on the roster. Just because a character is on a X-Men team does not make them automatically popular with legions of fans.
Actually, that's not true at all. Even the most disliked characters can have a large number of fans. Look at Beak (from Morrison's New X-Men/Bedard's Exiles), he was a rather disliked character that does have a number of fans out there. In fact I'm one of them, and he even has his own website made by another fan. Every character is someone's favorite, no matter how disliked and maligned the character is by others. :p

Beast

03-18-2006, 12:02 PM

The book with the popular characters is Astonishing X-Men. And Uncanny has more reject characters than X-Men does. The only character that is mega popular in Uncanny is Nightcrawler, the rest are Claremont's pet characters and are not very popular.
As mentioned above, there's a number of popular characters in Uncanny.

Storm is incredibly popular, and being used to try to get sales numbers up in that awful Black Panther book. Rachel Grey and Nightcrawler are obviously popular, as they're sticking around for Brubaker's Uncanny X-Men. Cannonball is shifting over to Carey's X-Men, so he's clearly got a level of popularity. Psylocke's popularity is intended to boost sales of Exiles, when CC comes on the book with #84. Bishop has a large number of fans, but he's probably not as popular as a whole as the other characters, of course.

As for the folks talking about solo books, of course no solo books starring Rachel would sell. Look at the sales for solo books starring fan favorite characters like Nightcrawler, Colossus, etc. Solo books for team-based characters typically don't sell in the X-Franchise, they barely sell for any characters other than the iconic ones. Only Wolverine still manages to keep an ongoing solo book going, god knows why. :p

As for the popularity of the Astonishing cast, it's debatable. Emma and Kitty have fairly large followings, but Scott and Beast's have diminished some. The 'Original Five' X-Men's popularity in general is not what it once was, other than the rabid Jean fans. They were red hot again in the late 80's and early 90's, and got a small boost with Morrison's New X-Men, but cooled off again since then. Even my favorite character Beast is nowhere near as popular as he used to be. X-Men 3 may help that, considering he plays a large role in that.

Sentinel K

03-18-2006, 12:06 PM

I'm not the poster who brought up the popularity thing first, my post was just addressing the other posters throwing around the word popularity. And not all the characters in the X-Men comics are popular with the fans, they are just liked by the writer of the book who chose to have them on the roster. Just because a character is on a X-Men team does not make them automatically popular with legions of fans.

If characters aren't popular with the fans then generally they are written out of the books. Like the examples I've given.

I doubt Marvel would let writers use unpopular characters, as anything but cameos, supporting roles, or cannon fodder in one of their main titles.

Wasn't the reason why CC wrote Thunderbird and Lifegaurd out of X-treme because not many people actually liked them? I could be wrong though.

Beast

03-18-2006, 12:09 PM

If characters aren't popular with the fans then generally they are written out of the books. Like the examples I've given.

I doubt Marvel would let writers use unpopular characters in one of their main titles. (wasn't this why CC wrote Thunderbird and Lifegaurd out of X-treme? I could be wrong though.) Unless they're cannon fodder! :D
Actually CC had to write Thunderbird and Lifeguard out of X-Treme, because the newest editor that came on the book didn't like them. They still had a fairly strong fan following, as much as any new character normally recieves. And both got saves in the 198 Files, so will be turning up again at some point. :)

Sentinel K

03-18-2006, 12:10 PM

Actually CC had to write Thunderbird and Lifeguard out of X-Treme, because the newest editor that came on the book didn't like them. They still had a fairly strong fan following, as much as any new character normally recieves. And both got saves in the 198 Files, so will be turning up again at some point. :)

Who was the editor then?

Marts? I don't have my trades handy to check.

Owens 23

03-18-2006, 12:12 PM

This is a huge thread drift, but popularity in comics does not mean having hundreds of fans like Beak and Rachel have, but having thousands of fans like Wolverine and Storm have.

Beast

03-18-2006, 12:13 PM

Who was the editor then?

Marts? I don't have my trades handy to check.
I forget. It's sad how that book went through so much editorial bullshit thanks to the four editors and the enforced storylines. Oh well, no sense dwelling on what could have been.

Beast

03-18-2006, 12:15 PM

This is a huge thread drift, but popularity in comics does not mean having hundreds of fans like Beak and Rachel have, but having thousands of fans like Wolverine and Storm have.
That's an illogical argument. You don't know how many fans each character has, given the diverse number of readers. And popularity is subjective. Beak and Rachel are just as valid and popular as any other character.

Sentinel K

03-18-2006, 12:15 PM

This is a huge thread drift, but popularity in comics does not mean having hundreds of fans like Beak and Rachel have, but having thousands of fans like Wolverine and Storm have.

Surely characters are popular, unpopular or people are indefferent to them.

In which case I'd say pretty much ALL the X-men are popular.

Owens 23

03-18-2006, 12:26 PM

That's an illogical argument. You don't know how many fans each character has, given the diverse number of readers. And popularity is subjective. Beak and Rachel are just as valid and popular as any other character.

Well I am going by comic book sales and merchandise sales which is all we have to go by. Wolverine has a proven track record of good comic book and comic book related merchandise sales, as does Storm. Beak and Rachel have none of this at all, and the reason is Marvel knows their names are not marketable because of their low popularity among fans. They do not sell. This is more logical than anything else out there.

Beast

03-18-2006, 12:29 PM

Well I am going by comic book sales and merchandise sales which is all we have to go by. Wolverine has a proven track record of good comic book and comic book related merchandise sales, as does Storm. Beak and Rachel have none of this at all, and the reason is Marvel knows their names are not marketable because of their low popularity among fans. They do not sell. This is more logical than anything else out there.
You can't judge by comic book sales, because even the so-called core characters can't keep solo series running. And merchandising means jack and squat. Yes, the characters that have been around for decades are a bigger draw than the new ones, but that's true of anything. Popularity is still subjective. :p

Faded

03-18-2006, 12:32 PM

Differences for me between the two?

Art is much better in Uncanny (Bachalo).

As far as writing, both are hit and miss--currently I'd say Uncanny has the upperhand, but the quality charts on both these books go up and down randomly.

Casts, as mentioned are different, which is what usually marks the biggest contrast to me when it comes to the core teams.

Stories right now are: Uncanny--Rachel Grey/O*N*E, X-Men--Apocalypse and his Horsemen/198.

Owens 23

03-18-2006, 12:36 PM

Popularity is still subjective. :p

Were you educated in America's public school system? I was, and trust me when I say that popularity is not subjective.

Beast

03-18-2006, 12:42 PM

Were you educated in America's public school system? I was, and trust me when I say that popularity is not subjective.
No need to resort to personal attacks. I disagree.
Popularity is certainly subjective, because it's a matter of opinion.

Daithi

03-18-2006, 12:50 PM

Beak and Rachel have none of this at all, and the reason is Marvel knows their names are not marketable because of their low popularity among fans. They do not sell. This is more logical than anything else out there.

Yet Uncanny X-Men, which is very Rachel centric at the moment is in the top 10. Astonishing X-Men is #1, does that mean that Beast is the most popular mutant? The X-Men are team books and it's that dynamic that sells the books.

Owens 23

03-18-2006, 12:52 PM

This is way off topic but here is the nutshell popularity argument that even a little kid can understand. Everything is popular in the world it exists in to an extent. I will use myself and Elvis as examples. I am popular with my family, friends, and co-workers, so in a small demographic I am popular. Elvis was and is popular with his family, friends, and co-workers, but also with millions of strangers as well because of his musical appeal and sales. I am not popular with the masses but Elvis is. The same applies to Beak and Wolverine. Beak is popular within his small world and fanbase like I am, but Wolverine is popular with the masses like Elvis because of his massive exposure and sales numbers in comic books, comic book merchandise, movies, toys, cartoons, etc................

Owens 23

03-18-2006, 12:57 PM

No need to resort to personal attacks. I disagree.
Popularity is certainly subjective, because it's a matter of opinion.

I did not attack you and sorry if you took it that way :) . Popularity is not a matter of opinion, but reality. I am not a popular man with the masses, but Tom Cruise is. This is reality not an opinion. I am not a popular athlete, even though I am a good one. Michael Jordan is a popular athlete, and a good one. Popularity is reality, not opinion.

Sentinel K

03-18-2006, 12:59 PM

I think popularity can be defined by how many people 'dislike' a character.

If people like AND dislike a character in equal measure then it can't really be said they are 'popular.

However, if more people like, than dislike a character, then they are definately popular.

I believe more people LIKE any particular X-Man than DISLIKE them which leads me to believe that MOST of the X-Men ARE popular. Some are just more popular than others e.g Wolverine.

The only exceptions may be Bishop and Rachel. I'm a fan of both but I know other people don't like them much.

Sentinel K

03-18-2006, 01:00 PM

Beast

03-18-2006, 01:01 PM

I did not attack you and sorry if you took it that way :) . Popularity is not a matter of opinion, but reality. I am not a popular man with the masses, but Tom Cruise is. This is reality not an opinion. I am not a popular athlete, even though I am a good one. Michael Jordan is a popular athlete, and a good one. Popularity is reality, not opinion.
You're agrument gets even more illogical. If you were appearing in the same venue as Tom Cruise, then there would be an ability to compare. Since you don't, it renders your examples flawed. These characters co-exist together, and it's the group dynamic that is popular. That's why solo books don't sell, because individually, no characters are really more or less popular than others. Popularity is a matter of personal opinion.

Kal

03-18-2006, 01:02 PM

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Storm is incredibly popular, and being used to try to get sales numbers up in that awful Black Panther book.

Storm is popular but she doesn't sell books :(

Daithi

03-18-2006, 01:04 PM

You're agrument gets even more logical. If you were appearing in the same venue as Tom Cruise, then there would be an ability to compare. Since you don't, it renders your examples flawed. These characters co-exist together, and it's the group dynamic that is popular. That's why solo books don't sell, because individually, no characters are really more or less popular than others. Popularity is a matter of personal opinion.

Agreed. Logan's a pretty unusual case for an X-man also. Who's more popular Beast or Cyclops? It's a personal opinion. I also don't equate sales with being popular. I like Beast. Doesn't mean I'm going to fork out on any Beast merchandise.

Beast

03-18-2006, 01:06 PM

Agreed. Logan's a pretty unusual case for an X-man also. Who's more popular Beast or Cyclops? It's a personal opinion. I also don't equate sales with being popular. I like Beast. Doesn't mean I'm going to fork out on any Beast merchandise.
Around here, Beast seems to be more popular than Scott. But that's probably not true of the entire fan base. But then again, who knows. It's all subjective. But I for one do fork over money for Beast merchandise. :D

Owens 23

03-18-2006, 01:07 PM

You're agrument gets even more illogical. If you were appearing in the same venue as Tom Cruise, then there would be an ability to compare. Since you don't, it renders your examples flawed. These characters co-exist together, and it's the group dynamic that is popular. That's why solo books don't sell, because individually, no characters are really more or less popular than others. Popularity is a matter of personal opinion.

I guess we just see popularity in different ways, we still cool? :)

Kal

03-18-2006, 01:09 PM

Around here, Beast seems to be more popular than Scott. But that's probably not true of the entire fan base. But then again, who knows. It's all subjective. But I for one do fork over money for Beast merchandise. :D

I don't it's subjective. Who you(or anyone else) think is more popular is different from who really is more popular.

Sentinel K

03-18-2006, 01:09 PM

I guess we just see popularity in different ways, we still cool? :)

Don't give up dude!

Debating/Argueing is fun! :D

Beast

03-18-2006, 01:11 PM

I don't it's subjective. Who you(or anyone else) think is more popular is different from who really is more popular.
Uh, that's what I'm saying. Or are you confused by what I'm saying.

Owens 23

03-18-2006, 01:19 PM

Don't give up dude!

Debating/Argueing is fun! :D

But it gets redundant when both sides refuse to budge.

Kal

03-18-2006, 01:20 PM

Uh, that's what I'm saying. Or are you confused by what I'm saying.

We're saying the same thing? *reads post* I see....sorry :p

Anyway I think the new Uncanny team is more popular than the new X-Men team :)

Sentinel K

03-18-2006, 01:51 PM

We're saying the same thing? *reads post* I see....sorry :p

Anyway I think the new Uncanny team is more popular than the new X-Men team :)

Thats probably down to the writing though. I know of very few people who have actually enjoyed Milligans run.

Although Claremont's hasn't exactly been Stallar overall, its been far more enjoyable IMO.

fishtaco

03-18-2006, 02:46 PM

It's quite simple, really.

Uncanny X-Men? It's really, really, really, really good (at the moment).

X-Men? It's really, really, really, really, really bad (at the moment).

Sentinel K

03-18-2006, 02:50 PM

It's quite simple, really.

Uncanny X-Men? It's really, really, really, really good (at the moment).

X-Men? It's really, really, really, really, really bad (at the moment).

As much as i agree with you(wow :eek: ), 'good' is subjective to individuals taste.

You'll probably get someone who totally disagrees with you in a bit. As is the nature of the universe.

fishtaco

03-18-2006, 03:02 PM

As much as i agree with you(wow :eek: ), 'good' is subjective to individuals taste.

You'll probably get someone who totally disagrees with you in a bit. As is the nature of the universe.True, but I'm not sure what the thread starter thought he would expect :p

Faded

03-18-2006, 04:27 PM

Take away the reallys, and I agree with fishtaco too.

I actually am usually defending Milligan's work, but Blood of Apocalypse has been so boring. Not necessarily bad IMO, but coupled with Larocca's new "style", I haven't enjoyed this arc much at all.

Current Uncanny arc isn't exactly spectacular (and a let down following a really nice End of Greys arc), but its perfectly fine to read and look at (both Tan and Bachalo have done well).

With that said, quality wise they alternate between whose tops and are on the same level much of the time to me.

the Hornet

03-19-2006, 05:26 PM

I think your throwing the word 'popular' around a bit too much.

All the characters from all 3 core titles have their fans. They are ALL popular. If they weren't then they wouldn't be in the books (ala Marrow, CeCe Reyes, Thunderbird III, Lifegaurd etc).

Some are just more popular than others.

Popularity is subjective. My favourite characters are Psylocke and Gambit. I know they have other fans, or else they wouldn't be in the books. They're hardly 'reject' characters.

Well said!

Alex A Sanchez

03-20-2006, 01:06 AM

X-men team members are selected on factors other than just popularity. Here are some examples: Psylock is being moved to X-iles because she's one of Claremont's favorites and he wanted to take her with him. Sabertooth and Wildchild were added to the old X-Factor (back in the day) because they were popular characters and the editors were trying to boost sales. Marrow was added because she was a cool concept and Marvel was looking for a way to keep the X-men fresh (remember, her Dr. Reyes and Maggot were brand new when they became X-men). Peter David selected is X-team simply because the characters' personalities worked well together. The Blue and Gold team members were simply all the current X-men roster mixed with the original X-men roster. To assume that a character is on an X-men team simple because he or she is popular is a mistake.

Rememberback in the early 90's: Bishop was the 3rd most popular character after Wolverine and Cable. Cable was so popular at one time that he easily carried his own series. Psylock was also very popular- nothing like today, where I rarely hear her mentioned. If I'm not mistaken, Gambit is one of the most popular X-men of all time (well, at least since the 90's). Everyone loved him in the comics, and his exposure on the cartoon made him a hero amonst kids. He was originally planned to be in the 1st X-men movie, and the internet went nuts when he name was dropped in X2.

Mind Shadow

03-20-2006, 05:21 AM

Alex A Sanchez

03-20-2006, 03:23 PM

I always diffrenciated the two Titles as two different teams: One led by Storm, and one led by Cyclops. Of course, Cyclops' is the reject team and Storm has all the amazing and popular characters.
But lately, I don't know what they're doing either. Go figure. :p
Oh, and I read earlier in one of the postings that Rogue and Gambit were part of the Reject Team. From what I understand, they're Marvel's most well known couple-- and they're always with Storm thus X-Treme X-Men. So, I disagree with that. :(

Waaaiiiit... Cyclops' team was the more popular: Jim Lee drew them and Claremont wrote. Rogue and Gambit were with Cyclops, as well as Wolverine and Psylock. This is also The team (for the most part) that was featured on the animated show.

Jellobay

03-20-2006, 03:32 PM

I've never really thought there was a difference in the two. They change so much that at one time or another each has had better story arcs. I think right now until after Civil War they are pretty much one team focusing on different characters in each title.
The only one with a clear group still is Astonishing IMO.

fireball87o

03-20-2006, 05:40 PM

blue and gold
x-men and uncanny

Doom Hammer

03-20-2006, 05:43 PM

Uncanny started it's latest (Claremont) run amazingly and has deviated quite a bit.

X-Men started it's latest (Milligan) run poorly and...well...hasn't deviated at all. :p

Hi-Fi

03-20-2006, 06:14 PM

X-Men started it's latest (Milligan) run poorly and...well...hasn't deviated at all. :p

Really? I think Golghota is a great story. I love the feel or the arc. And BLT is just too much fun. :)

Sentinel K

03-20-2006, 06:16 PM

Really? I think Golghota is a great story. I love the feel or the arc. And BLT is just too much fun. :)

Hi Fi, you're as loony as Lorna. Did you see doop too?

He/she's making you crazy!!! :p

Doom Hammer

03-20-2006, 06:17 PM

Really? I think Golghota is a great story. I love the feel or the arc. And BLT is just too much fun. :)

If you say so. :p

I'm not a huge fan of X-Men. Actually, I'm not a huge fan of a lot of the X-books right now. Embittered by the loss of Grant, I've broadened my scope into the rest of the MU, and left a lot of X-books behind.

I'm sure there's some stuff in Uncanny and X-Men that appeals to some hard-core fans that I miss out on.

Hi-Fi

03-20-2006, 06:18 PM

Hi Fi, you're as loony as Lorna. Did you see doop too?

He/she's making you crazy!!! :p

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I love the whole Lorna/Doop plot.

Seriously.

Jellobay

03-20-2006, 06:20 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I love the whole Lorna/Doop plot.

Seriously.

You are loony Hi-fi. :)

Mitsaso

03-20-2006, 06:20 PM

Uncanny X-Men is the trademark straightforward superhero story, while X-Men takes a weirder, more offbeat approach. I tend to prefer the latter one, but not many fans will agree with me. :D

But can anybody really claim that the Dino-Rachel story was better than that Daap arc or the Black Panther crossover?? :p

Hi-Fi

03-20-2006, 06:21 PM

If you say so. :p

I'm not a huge fan of X-Men. Actually, I'm not a huge fan of a lot of the X-books right now. Embittered by the loss of Grant, I've broadened my scope into the rest of the MU, and left a lot of X-books behind.

I'm sure there's some stuff in Uncanny and X-Men that appeals to some hard-core fans that I miss out on.

Grant left me wanting more, I totally agree. And while I still have fun reading X-Men(I swear it entertains me), Ultimate X-Men, New X-Men and Astonishing (Yeah, that's a lot, right?), I'm bored with the rest of the X-Books.

Except X-Factor. X-Factor is perfect.

Hi-Fi

03-20-2006, 06:22 PM

You are loony Hi-fi. :)

Am I???? ^~ ~~~~ :eek: ??????

Mitsaso

03-20-2006, 06:25 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I love the whole Lorna/Doop plot.

Seriously.
Me too!! :cool:

If only Doop could get a bigger role at the X-Men than simply being a diversion for Lorna... :(

Hi-Fi

03-20-2006, 06:26 PM

Me too!! :cool:

If only Doop could get a bigger role at the X-Men than simply being a diversion for Lorna... :(

I'm sure that Milligan had bigger plans for him/she/it but his departure made him nix it.

Sentinel K

03-20-2006, 06:28 PM

Doom Hammer

03-20-2006, 06:30 PM

Except X-Factor. X-Factor is perfect.

Not too loony after all, eh?

Astonishing is fun, but kind of light. I really like it, but it's not without flaws.

New X-Men has never interested me.

Exiles lost my interest, though it's a very fun book.

I swore off the Decimation minis after seeing the money wasted on HoM tie-ins.

And there we have it, one fan's departure from the X-books. I never bothered to buy X-Men from the shop after my susbcription ran out, and I'd do the same for Uncanny but I might as well see how CC's run ends, no?

Hi-Fi

03-20-2006, 06:30 PM

All three were poo-nuts, but I genuinely WOULD take dino rachel over those other 2.

Someone should have snaped Rachel's neck when she was a dino. That way, I would not be bored as hell reading the last 3 or 4 arcs about her.

Mitsaso

03-20-2006, 06:33 PM

Someone should have snaped Rachel's neck when she was a dino. That way, I would not be bored as hell reading the last 3 or 4 arcs about her.
Right on!!

I hope Brubaker keeps killing people once he takes over Uncanny. *coughRachelcough* :D

Hi-Fi

03-20-2006, 06:34 PM

Not too loony after all, eh?

Astonishing is fun, but kind of light. I really like it, but it's not without flaws.

New X-Men has never interested me.

Exiles lost my interest, though it's a very fun book.

I swore off the Decimation minis after seeing the money wasted on HoM tie-ins.

And there we have it, one fan's departure from the X-books. I never bothered to buy X-Men from the shop after my susbcription ran out, and I'd do the same for Uncanny but I might as well see how CC's run ends, no?

Ultimate X-Men: fun
Astonishing X-Men: fun
X-Factor: fun
New X-Men: fun
Deadly Genesis: fun
Son of M: fun
X-Men: fun

Exiles: boring
Wolverine: boring
New Excalibur: boring
Uncanny X-Men: boring (though I'm sure it wont be once Bru starts his run)
The 198: boring

Yeah, I guess I'm still ok with X-Books. :)

Doom Hammer

03-20-2006, 06:38 PM

Ultimate X-Men: fun

Eh, that's an Ultimate book. Doesn't count! :p

Deadly Genesis: fun

D'oh! Forgot that one! Yeah, it's great.

Faded

03-20-2006, 10:01 PM

Right on!!

I hope Brubaker keeps killing people once he takes over Uncanny. *coughRachelcough* :D

Gasp! I kinda hope not because I like his cast, apart from Rachel. And the Starjammers/Shi'ar.

As long as he doesn't kill off Warpath, Polaris, Vulcan, or Sway. :D

I love sharing my overall opinion on the X-Books so I'm putting my two cents in!!! :D

X-Factor - Brilliance at its finest. Read it (and buy it for that matter). Support this book.

Uncanny - Not a fan of Rachel or the fact that this series focuses on her, but Grey's End really impressed me.

X-Men - I love its fun strangeness and have liked a lot of it. However, Blood of Apocalypse has bored me to no end (though Larocca's art has a large part to it).

Deadly Genesis - Fun and exciting.

Astonishing - Great though bimonthly is enough for me to forget it exists. HOWEVER, when it does come out I DO take notice.

New Excalibur - Boring with bad art with a cast I don't care for aside from two characters (Nocturne and Dazzler).

198 - I love this actually!!! I mean...its not spectacular and I'd be more interested in other characters--but the fact that its using people like Sack and Erg is interesting and fresh to me.

New X-Men - I can't get connected to it. Its not boring, but its also not something I see myself getting attatched to.

Exiles - As Hi-Fi said, it bores me. Haven't thought it was awesome since Winnick--haven't enjoyed it since Bedard's earlier issues (Namora and Beak were great additions IMO).

X-Ray

03-20-2006, 10:33 PM

A few years ago I got back into comics and X-Man and I was confused but I kept notes as I went along. I too had questions on how the X-books was set up.

First it depends on which characters you want to follow.

More importantly the last starting point for me at least, was Grant Morrison's New X-Men, Cris Claremont's X-Treme X-Men, Chuck Dixon's Uncanny X-Men which all 3 started close to the same time in 2001-2. Those stories changed tracks at X-Men:Reload.

Numbering wise "X-Men that started in the 90's became New X-men then went back to X-Men but are not the same story lines. I will explain.

Dixon's Uncanny story line which is mainly Havok, Polaris, Ice Man, Juggernaut became "X-Men" The numbers don't match.

Grant's New X-Men story which was mainly Emma, Scott, Beast became Astonishing X-men.

X-Treme X-Men mainly Storm, Sage and Bishop could be picked up in Unncanny Xmen. This group is now went their own ways, Sage>Excalibur,
Storm on her own and Bishop stayed still.

The loose X-men are Rogue & Gambit who went from XXM to the current
X-men, Cannonball who bounces from XXM to XF to UXM, Nightcrawler who is the last to stay put for so long, and I guess now Bishop.

Rachel, Dazzler, Colossus, Pete Wisdom and Psylocke are the recently brought back.

The current New X-Men 's title was Grant's but that was only temporary. They can be traced back to Grant's New X-Men like Dust, Uncanny X-Men with Icaras, and if you care Rubbermaid was from an X-treme X-Men story.
All that became New Muntants for awhile before what we have at present.

Excalibur at first was Xavier and Magneto's team that ended into HOM.
Now is a revived team with loose X-Men stars that needed a home like Juggernaut UX, SageXXM, Nocturne Exiles, Dazzler?, Pete Wisdom.

Thats from my records. I hoped that helped. I learned to not depend on comic book shops or cons to get answers, if you want answers you have to research them yourself.

Roads

03-20-2006, 11:21 PM

I too had questions on how the X-books was set up.

More importantly the last starting point for me at least, was Grant Morrison's New X-Men, Cris Claremont's X-Treme X-Men, Chuck Dixon's Uncanny X-Men which all 3 started close to the same time in 2001-2. Those stories changed tracks at X-Men:Reload.

The loose X-men are Rogue & Gambit who went from XXM to the current
X-men.

Rachel, Dazzler, Colossus, Pete Wisdom and Psylocke are the recently brought back.

I hoped that helped. I learned to not depend on comic book shops or cons to get answers, if you want answers you have to research them yourself.

These are some nice info bits. I have to add that TPB Poptopia is a good place to start or at least go back and read it for refrence.

It's also good to note that just cause the title says "Uncanny" don't mean that its the main book or that it is any good. For the last few years it's the X-Men scubs that are in the Uncanny X-Men Book,

Alex A Sanchez

03-21-2006, 01:09 PM

And there we have it, one fan's departure from the X-books. I never bothered to buy X-Men from the shop after my susbcription ran out, and I'd do the same for Uncanny but I might as well see how CC's run ends, no?

But wait, you are buying X-Factor, right? Biig mistake to not give this one a chance.

Doom Hammer

03-21-2006, 04:53 PM

But wait, you are buying X-Factor, right? Biig mistake to not give this one a chance.

Oh, for sure.

I love it.

But I used to be pretty exclusive to the X-books, was my point.

Roads

04-23-2006, 11:53 AM

Just to add to this topic....

This June will be the end point for Uncanny and X-men. Psylocke has come full circle from her death in the early pages of X-Treme X-Men to Uncanny X-Men #'s 472-474 where we learn how she came back. Aswell as some other stories that have kept me reading.

But for me the end is near.

One of the main reasons I have held on to X-men was Ice Man. He comes and goes, but hardly gets a fair shake in the books. So, I wish him good luck and put him on the list of heros I look for on the boards and Wizard. Plus, Cris Bachalo is the new artist and I can't stand his stuff (crap), so either way X-Men was going to be dropped after #187.

Claremont is off the regular X-books but is on Excalibur. I like Juggernaut and Sage but I don't care to much for the others, even thought Dazzler looks great, the best looking X man or woman out there now. I wish the Excalibur and Claremont best wishes.

Uncanny is getting has Brubaker but I am not feeling him on X-men books. I didn't like my X-men past dicked with. I liked Stan Lee and Cris Claremont's story's, even Scott Lobdel? (I think I spelled that right). I don't really mind the new old X-men that was revealed, but I need time for it to settle in. So Uncanny wasn't on my list due to Bachalo, nothing against Claremont so it was already dropped, so I won't bother adding it to my pull.

Astonishing X-men I guess is still continuing from Grant Morrison's New X-Men.
But, like I said before I didn't like my X-Men's past dicked with. While Brubaker work was understandable I didn't like they way Brubaker/Whedon treated Charles Xavier. Prof X was the one guy I liked like a father figure kind of guy. I upset how is past is turned on him by these writers. I didn't care for the book anyway. I dropped it at #12. I won't read anymore stuff by Whendon, he can't be trusted.

New X-Men I liked for some time. They are coming along fine. I liked Dust since Wolverine found her way back when. X-23 also a new muntant I like. They are all pretty cool. I like the team but the storys post House of M arn't too good, I think I need to let them grow for a year, then come back to see how far they've come. Dropped til next year.

Damn I got no X-men books in my pull!!! At least Ultimate X-Men is there for me, but I get those in TPB. They was great in Vol 1-11, vol 12 sucked. but have picked up since.

I know this a lot, but It's good to get it out there. That's what the boards are for.

Billy Parker

04-23-2006, 12:44 PM

Roads

04-24-2006, 11:16 PM

Uncanny hasn't been the flagship X-book in a long while. Whether I like it or not the flagship X-book is Astonishing which is on its own mostly, followed by Uncanny X-men and X-Men.

Uncanny and X-men could be paired and you would be good.

New X-Men isn't bad character wise but you have to be into the newest mutants. Go back and read the trade of New Mutants/ New X-Men.

Excalibur is own its own too.

X-Factor bt Peter David is GREAT so far. I'm off X-men by June but XF is still on my watch list.

If I was going to pick a(n) X- book out for you or anyone it would be X-men and Uncanny X-Men together starting in July. Fresh start but same groups.

Faded

04-24-2006, 11:43 PM

Well I don't read X-books but am going to start. So which one should I suscribe to: Uncanny X-Men or X-Men? Between these two?

I read Spidey books and others. And so I figure the most important stuff happens in Uncanny like Amazing.

I'm leaning more toward Uncanny. I just recently got the Uncanny DVD-ROM at this site. (http://www.digitalcomics.biz/)

As Roads said, both will have new writers come July, and they seem very promising.

It wasn't one of your options, but X-Factor should be. Its quite possibly one of the best books out right now. :)

And to further hurt your wallet, you should pick up the amazing book Runaways if you aren't already. :)

Alphaxman

04-25-2006, 02:09 AM

I think this view on witch book has the most popular characters in it is almost silly. It comes down to witch characters the writer like and the editor wants. Each book but X-Men were geared to the writer’s strengths when it came to the characters picked. And the editors try to even it out when it comes to the more popular characters. Astonishing has Wolverine, Emma and Cyclops, Uncanny has Storm and Nightcrawler, and Adjectivless has Rogue, Iceman and Gambit. Astonishing X-Men was Marvel’s way of capitalizing Morrison’s New X-Men but with his own style. That’s why most of his characters he picked were form Morrison’s “X-Men”. Kitty is in his book because she’s Whedon favorite character not because she’s more popular then Storm, Nightcrawler, or Iceman and Gambit. I Claremont decided to leave Marvel when Morrison came on board, Storm and Rogue would have been in “New X-Men” Psylocke would have been in Casey’s X-Men with Bishop or he, Sage, and Thunderbird would have gone to limbo. I do think the Adjectivless X-Men do get the lift over characters. They tried to even it out with Rogue and Gambit.

That’s why I like X-Men so much. Each writer each has their strengths and weaknesses.
I love Claremont for his plots and his ability to know most character he writes with few bad examples. He also has the ability to use other writer work and incorporated in his stories. He make the X-Universe feel like their sharing the same world. If he had a young writer that had a better feel on dialogue that today’s readers like, his stories would be received better.

I like Whedon for his characterizations as well but it’s his dialogue that’s he’s saving grace. But his plots are not as grand as Claremont or Morrison.

I can see what Milligan is trying to do but I do not like the results. He’s trying to continue Austin’s bad Soap Opera feel with the character continually disrespected one another. They still act like unprofessional jerks. He’s stories are uneventful with bad characterization.

I think Ed Brubaker will be a good combination of Whedon and Claremont. Strong plots with great dialogue.

Roads

04-25-2006, 09:46 PM

Astonishing X-Men was Marvel’s way of capitalizing Morrison’s New X-Men but with his own style. That’s why most of his characters he picked were form Morrison’s “X-Men”.

>I love Claremont for his plots and his ability to know most character he writes with few bad examples. He also has the ability to use other writer work and incorporated in his stories. He make the X-Universe feel like their sharing the same world.

> Kitty is in his book because she’s Whedon favorite character ...

1 - I remember when I was reading Claremont's X-Treme X-Men, he would have moments where the other X-books was mentioned. That made me feel his was the real X-Men book over the others. I aslo liked when the X-Men had debates in XXM in the first year of the run. It sucks the XSE didn't last for long. But I wish he had another team, I love Juggy and Sage but not enough to go to Excalibur. I'll still read the reviews. At least he seems to have love for his mutants.

2 - About Whedon. I didn't know that Kitty Pride was his favorite. That explains the direction he's going with Emma Frost that got me to drop his book. I'm a Emma Frost fan over the years with Gen X and other adventures and that grew with Grants' New X. I also like Kitty too but it's hard when you have two favorites in a book and you know the writer is one sided.
So, I am not as mad with Joss as I was. But, I will still stay of his X-books.

3 - and another plug for the X-Factor.

Roads

02-23-2007, 03:07 PM

So, what the difference nowadays?

UncannyAsianGirl

02-23-2007, 03:48 PM

It depends on your likes and dislikes really...

If you like a long, drawn-out grand space adventure, the Starjammers, are interested in the fate of the Shi'ar empire, and are more accustomed to a more traditional cast, and don't mind a few new characters taking the the spotlight ocassionally(such as Korvus, Darwin, and Vulcan) read Uncanny X-men. The team is comprised of Xavier, Warpath, Havok, Polaris, Rachel, Nightcrawler, and Darwin. I think so far, the focus has been mostly on Vulcan, Xavier and Rachel.

If you want to read about a more unconventional team with a few villains who aren't officially on the team (Sabretooth, Mystique, and Lady Mastermind), don't mind new villains, love cameos of lesser-known characters and other X-teams, heck, if you like science-fiction at all (new races of people, mad scientists, and aliens), read Adjectiveless X-men. This team is comprised of Rogue, Iceman, Cannonball, Mystique, Sabretooth, Lady Mastermind, Cable, and Karima Sharpandar. The characters all have their moments, but since Rogue is the leader of this motley crew, she's got a bit more focus than others. She's also being run through the wringer.

Also, the set up is different. The current arc of Uncanny is 12 issues long, and is nearing its conclusion.

X-men so far has had 1 arc of 6 issues, and 1 arc of 3 issues. There has also been an annual. There's going to be one more arc of 3 issues, followed by a one-shot, issue #200, which includes a cover that's 4-page spread of everyone who has been an X-man.

Personally, I prefer Adjectiveless over Uncanny.