View Full Version : The fate of Speedball (Speculation)
In the new Joe Fridays at Newsarama, Joe mentions that Speedball's powers have been taken into account (i.e. that an explosion such as the one in 'Civil War' shouldn't be able to kill him)
So here's what we know so far:
Speedball's powers should enable him to survive the blast
One member of the New Warriors survives
That member is arrested and put on trial in She-Hulk
Now Remember, for months Joe Q has been dropping hints/jokes about the death of Speedball.
So here's my guess -
Speedball survives the explosion, is put on trial, is found guilty......
And gets the death penalty!
(I hope it doesn't happen but it's plausible!)
Mean Mr Mustard
03-18-2006, 12:19 PM
XD
That would be so cruel... And yet, I'm loving the idea.
dingo
03-18-2006, 12:42 PM
While that is a deliciously evil idea, the most I couldn't imagine what he could be charged with that carries a possible death sentence. Anybody have any ideas?
StoneGold
03-18-2006, 01:08 PM
Seems like the most they would be able to nail any of the Warriors on would be manslaughter, which I don't think is an executable offense. Besides, the death penalty is currently suspended in New York.
Violently Apathetic
03-18-2006, 08:58 PM
Poor Speedball, as if he's not going to feel horrid as it is...
I want him to survive and prosper just because he's a character so many people seem to find obnoxious.
xakko
03-18-2006, 09:38 PM
Poor Speedball, as if he's not going to feel horrid as it is...
I want him to survive and prosper just because he's a character so many people seem to find obnoxious.
but he's so very adorable in "Year One"...
Slumber Hulk
03-18-2006, 10:29 PM
I posted this across the street but it may be possible to kill Speedball by blasting him into space.
I really hope it doesn't happen, I need to find that old NW where he is put in a vacuum and survives.
But capital punishment? They've have to keep him from powering up his kinetic field before they give him the needle, if he tripped on the way to the chamber he'd just bounce out.
AllisterH
03-18-2006, 11:03 PM
Probably can't be charged since he wasn't in any way responsible for Nitro going "boom".
Personally, I'm more pissed that Speedball is going to be the unfrotunate target of lynch mobs when the Avengers should be more likely targets. Or have people forgotten that M-day was caused by the Avengers?
StoneGold
03-18-2006, 11:14 PM
Probably can't be charged since he wasn't in any way responsible for Nitro going "boom".
At the very least, he could get brought up on wreckless endangerment charges. He picked a fight with supervillains, unprovoked and unlicensed, and people ended up dead.
Crash-Man
03-18-2006, 11:28 PM
Speedball survives the explosion, is put on trial, is found guilty......
And gets the death penalty!
Nope...he might get the Magog/Joker treatment, which will be even more of an incentive for the government to step up the registration.
AllisterH
03-19-2006, 01:11 AM
At the very least, he could get brought up on wreckless endangerment charges. He picked a fight with supervillains, unprovoked and unlicensed, and people ended up dead.
Unlicensed - Nope. Can't be since to be unlicensed, there has to be a license to begin with, and there is no such thing.
Unprovoked - Would be hard to prove as going by the dialogue, the villains in question are escaped convicts and as such, the closest law would be the ones regarding bounty hunters and they have very broad leeway (much more so than others)
As well, one of the things about the Warriors (which ironically makes this hard to believe) was that Dwayne (Trasher) and later on Hindsight lad were big on being "up to date" on the villains (it actually was a plot point that both of those warriors were somewhat of comic book geek when it comes to villains).
The problem is that in all honesty, has Nitro EVER displayed that much power being able to wipe out (from the look of the previews) an entire city block? Nitro was that powerful? Since when?
Of course, if you want to argue that the Avengers should be held responsible for M-day, now you're talking.
boolean
03-19-2006, 01:49 AM
Personally, I'm more pissed that Speedball is going to be the unfrotunate target of lynch mobs when the Avengers should be more likely targets. Or have people forgotten that M-day was caused by the Avengers?
Most people have forgotten that M-day even happened.
StoneGold
03-19-2006, 03:11 AM
Unlicensed - Nope. Can't be since to be unlicensed, there has to be a license to begin with, and there is no such thing.
Unprovoked - Would be hard to prove as going by the dialogue, the villains in question are escaped convicts and as such, the closest law would be the ones regarding bounty hunters and they have very broad leeway (much more so than others)
.
Actually, many states require that bounty hunters have licenses. Of which Connecticut is one (turns out, ignore the New York thing I said earlier, the disaster happens in Stamford, oops).
Requires licensing, training (20 hours of study), and background checks (no felony record). Police officers are forbidden from being bounty hunters. Bounty hunters must notify local police before making an arrest, and cannot carry wear clothes or carry a badge suggesting he is an agent of the state or federal government. C.G.S.A. § 29-152e through §29-152l.
So there is a license. However, given that all the Warriors have secret IDs except for Nita, whose occasional surface world conquering stints with her cousin probably make her inelligible, I doubt they have them.
And there is another license. It's called a police badge. Or federal marshal or whatever. The marshals have hired superhumans in the past. USAgent was one.
And no one, outside of maybe SHIELD, knows the Avengers have any connection to M-Day. Hell, no one even knew the Avengers even existed until after M-Day.
Nope...he might get the Magog/Joker treatment, which will be even more of an incentive for the government to step up the registration.
Excuse my comicbook ignorance, but what exactly is the Magog/Joker treatment?
but he's so very adorable in "Year One"...
Agreed, he's my favorite character in that strip
StoneGold
03-19-2006, 03:40 AM
Excuse my comicbook ignorance, but what exactly is the Magog/Joker treatment?
I'm thinking he means that some "hero" is gonna kill Speedy as some kind of payback. Magog killed Joker for killing Lois after Superman wouldn't.
I'm thinking he means that some "hero" is gonna kill Speedy as some kind of payback. Magog killed Joker for killing Lois after Superman wouldn't.
Thanks for that, I'm not really up on my DC continuity (unless it's Giffen era Justice League!)
I can't see that happening but if it did I would imagine that the Punisher is the obvious choice, especially now the details of his new series have been announced.
Crash-Man
03-19-2006, 09:02 AM
Magog didn't only kill Joker...he killed him on the steps of a courthouse in full view of a crowd and in front of television cameras.
It was his idea of justice being served, and the public accepted him and rejected Superman for it.
It happened in Kingdome Come, an Elseworlds title, so don't look for it in normal continuity.
In Speedball's case, the killer might be a normal human being.
CoreyB
03-21-2006, 06:36 PM
Agreed, he's my favorite character in that strip
What strip do you speak of? What "Year One" has Speedball been in?
What strip do you speak of? What "Year One" has Speedball been in?
http://yearone.spiderspawn.com/index.php
It's a brilliant strip where all the Marvel characters are primary school age. Speedball has been in quite a few strips and gets some of the best lines.
CoreyB
03-22-2006, 11:36 AM
http://yearone.spiderspawn.com/index.php
It's a brilliant strip where all the Marvel characters are primary school age. Speedball has been in quite a few strips and gets some of the best lines.
Heh, that's cute. Thanks!
Shellhead
03-22-2006, 03:49 PM
Magog didn't only kill Joker...he killed him on the steps of a courthouse in full view of a crowd and in front of television cameras.
It was his idea of justice being served, and the public accepted him and rejected Superman for it.
It happened in Kingdome Come, an Elseworlds title, so don't look for it in normal continuity.
In Speedball's case, the killer might be a normal human being.
That would be interesting, to see how a normal human being manages to kill Speedball on the courthouse steps. I think the odds are slightly better for Magog to crossover from DC to kill Speedball.
Leebenhouse
03-24-2006, 12:19 AM
Speedball will survive.
A little birdie told me that Bendis has wanted to write Speedball.
At Marvel, what Bendis wants, Bendis gets.
And this birdie has generally been right about things it's whispered before.
This is me quoting myself. And if theirs going to be two Avengers groups, perhaps Speedball will join the one Bendis is writing.
Anybody remember Captain America 352, where Speedball tried out for the Avengers? And I'm pretty sure he's 18 now, so he's "legal" for the Avengers.
If I'm guessing on ages of New Warriors now, Firestar and Justice were stated as being 19 and 22 in one of the Marvel Valentines specials, Night Thrasher and Nova are probably around 24-26, as is Namorita(physically, though in one of the Handbooks it states something along the lines of Namorita being conceived in the 50s or 60s[but then again, her continuity has long been shot to all hell]).
Rage is likely about 17, since he was younger than Speedball (Rage was still in high school) in the issues of the Faeber series he appeared in. And remember, he was kicked out of the Avengers for being a kid. Evidently, when Speedball tried out for the Avengers, either they didn't know he was underage(his voice is really deep when his kinetic field's active), or Guenwald didn't read the Speedball series.
I'll bet my beans if Bendis gets to write both Avengers series, Speedball will be in one, especially due to his involvement in Civil War.
As for my knowledge of Speedball, I've got the first 42 consecutive issues of New Warriors, the entire Faeber run, and the Way mini. I've got a good idea of the character, though I don't know if they tried to change him around late in the 90's New Warriors run. But one of these days I have to pick up his first app, back in the Evolutionary war. Anybody know if Ditko did the art on that?
Allen T
03-24-2006, 01:34 PM
They'll be posting an image from Civil War around 10 (eastern) that many are speculating has to do with Speedball's fate.
Sorry, The mods at Millarworld were just punking everybody
CoreyB
03-24-2006, 02:25 PM
Ages are tough to figure out in comics. A few years ago I approximated Speedball's age at 17.
Evidently, when Speedball tried out for the Avengers, either they didn't know he was underage(his voice is really deep when his kinetic field's active), or Guenwald didn't read the Speedball series.
Just nitpicking here, but Speedball's voice doesn't get deeper. It gets distorted. Apparently it's tinny and sort of hollow sounding. But, because of how his body changes and that his voice sounds so weird, I'm sure Captain America just assumed Speedball was 'of age'.
The Lucky One
03-24-2006, 03:40 PM
As for my knowledge of Speedball, I've got the first 42 consecutive issues of New Warriors, the entire Faeber run, and the Way mini. I've got a good idea of the character, though I don't know if they tried to change him around late in the 90's New Warriors run.
They... gave him a trenchcoat. Because it was the 90's, and that was cool in the 90's. Also, they revealed that he's connected to an entire dimension of kinetic energy -- and, actually, he pretty much IS the dimension -- and I think something about time, too, though I might be misremembering that.
Anyway, he's pretty much unkillable in the same way Iceman is, so it'd be interesting to see how he could die. Entropy's the only thing you might think could do it.
-D
CoreyB
03-24-2006, 03:46 PM
He's vulnerable to magic, too.
Green Arrow Jr.
03-24-2006, 04:25 PM
A painful death would not be such a bad idea.
CoreyB
03-24-2006, 04:59 PM
Speedball hater.
I have half a mind to sick Neils the Cat on you.
Leebenhouse
03-26-2006, 10:52 PM
Yeah, what ever happened to that cat? Maybe Neils and Monkey Joe's replacement can hang out when Speedball and Squirrell Girl hook up.
yeoman
03-27-2006, 12:15 AM
Yeah, what ever happened to that cat? Maybe Neils and Monkey Joe's replacement can hang out when Speedball and Squirrell Girl hook up.
Then they can join up with Lockheed, Lockjaw and Old Lace to form the Avenger Pets.
Actually... that might be a tougher team than a number of existing Supergroups...
CoreyB
03-27-2006, 04:33 PM
Check out today's Lying in the Gutters (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13). According to Marvel's June Marvel Previews, there's an 8-page back-up story in Young Avengers #12 and X-Men #187 of "the first appearance of the Masked Marvel".
http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/masked-marvel.jpg
Could it be Robbie post-Civil War?
Will.S
03-27-2006, 04:37 PM
That's interesting (although the design strikes me as bland).
It might be a new character altogether.
Leebenhouse
03-28-2006, 12:13 AM
The subheading of his individual series was "Speedball: the Masked Marvel", and I think that Ditko wanted him called Masked Marvel, as thats how he's refrenced in the series. The Speedball thing was a nickname and later tacked into being his name.
Slumber Hulk
03-29-2006, 03:09 PM
As long as he remains funny he can go by another name. But maybe he will be changed by the explosion.
Haunt
03-29-2006, 03:28 PM
Check out today's Lying in the Gutters (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13). According to Marvel's June Marvel Previews, there's an 8-page back-up story in Young Avengers #12 and X-Men #187 of "the first appearance of the Masked Marvel".
http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/masked-marvel.jpg
Could it be Robbie post-Civil War?
hopefully. i could see him teaming up with Gravity, Machine Teen, and Freedom Ring; new New Warriors.
melike
03-29-2006, 05:45 PM
Wow Great to see so much love for Speedy! I never realised!!
melike
03-29-2006, 05:52 PM
Hey, Who did the art for that by the way, it looks a little like Bobillo..or not..hard to tell from just that.
As long as Speedy survives i'll be pleased - and i'll keep using him in the strip regardless. it would be cool to see him getting more attention though.
Haunt
03-29-2006, 10:51 PM
Hey, Who did the art for that by the way, it looks a little like Bobillo..or not..hard to tell from just that.
As long as Speedy survives i'll be pleased - and i'll keep using him in the strip regardless. it would be cool to see him getting more attention though.
dunno. reminds me a little of Mike Norton from the Gravity series but i doubt it.
Fat Sick Boot
03-30-2006, 10:12 AM
SPOILERS (and some speculation) AHEAD (based on the Illuminati comic)
I think its obvious Speedball lives through the explosion (kinetic energy thing) but maybe he catches hell because he is the last living member of the team (and they are probably gonna get scapegoated for Nitro blowing up). Maybe he has to change his name (to the Masked Marvel) and start 'new'
SPOILERS (and some speculation) AHEAD (based on the Illuminati comic)
I think its obvious Speedball lives through the explosion (kinetic energy thing) but maybe he catches hell because he is the last living member of the team (and they are probably gonna get scapegoated for Nitro blowing up). Maybe he has to change his name (to the Masked Marvel) and start 'new'
What pages are you talking about? Are there any that weren't shown in Marvel previews that give a clue to his fate?
Fat Sick Boot
03-30-2006, 12:16 PM
The spoiler stuff I was referring to was the whole Civil War preview about Nitro blowing up (didnt mean to insinuate that I had knowledge of his fate). On his Marvel Universe bio, they indicate that Speedball's kinetic energy can save him from harm in explosions... so if the specualtion is true and one member of the New Warriors survives, it could be Speedball for that reason.
CoreyB
03-30-2006, 01:17 PM
My current theory is that he is sued for the incident (as gary said, "scapegoat") and he is legally forbidden to use his powers or to "be Speedball". So, he changes his super-hero identity.
Will.S
03-30-2006, 02:13 PM
My current theory is that he is sued for the incident (as gary said, "scapegoat") and he is legally forbidden to use his powers or to "be Speedball". So, he changes his super-hero identity.
That seems like the most logical way to go about things with the character.
The spoiler stuff I was referring to was the whole Civil War preview about Nitro blowing up (didnt mean to insinuate that I had knowledge of his fate). On his Marvel Universe bio, they indicate that Speedball's kinetic energy can save him from harm in explosions... so if the specualtion is true and one member of the New Warriors survives, it could be Speedball for that reason.
Ok, thanks. I was just wondering because I heard that the Illuminati special had a longer preview of Civil War 1 than had been shown before. Guess I'll just have to wait till May :)
Haunt
03-30-2006, 02:55 PM
i wonder if he'll use his powers any differently.
graffik
07-28-2006, 02:29 AM
I know what happens to speedball due to helping color flatten the sections with him, HOWEVER due to its nature the creators only wish discussion of published materials. If you folkes like the civil war frontline story please let me know I can send one of the color flattened layers of one of the previously published pages.
I believe issue 4 has already been published
What is color flatting? basic solid layer colors no hightones/lowtones that is up to colorist
I helped to flatten Annihilation prologue, Silver Surfer Annihilation, many others
daniel2099
07-28-2006, 04:54 AM
if the masked marvel is speedball i can see him in new avengers
its been said that NEW will dell a consperacy so if the people behind the town
arepart of if he'll want a pice of him
wile mighty deals with earth saving big stuff like the old avenger title
given his past has justice visteded him in jail? vance has been there
granted he was julty of what he was sent away for
or is he anti?
Dared Evil
07-28-2006, 09:43 AM
Seems like the most they would be able to nail any of the Warriors on would be manslaughter, which I don't think is an executable offense. Besides, the death penalty is currently suspended in New York.
Actually, if you want to get technical, they could nail Speedball with Manslaughter, Negligent Homicide (because he's a super-hero and the people around him were his responsibility to protect the minute he decided to attack the super-villians) and Reckless Endangerment... they'd throw the book at him I'm sure, if it goes down like that, but I don't think any of those accusations are eligible for the death penalty.
FrogMan
07-28-2006, 01:40 PM
Speedball. Don't....bend.....over...in...the...shower. Just...leave...the...damn...soap...where...it...is .
;)
Locue
07-29-2006, 04:13 AM
Speedball WILL finally become a hero. Obviously he'll die (but I'd rather he didn't), but he'll damn sure die as a real hero.
Until all that, though:
Oh, when you're in prison, don't turn the other way,
keep your back against the wall.
When you're in prison, don't turn the other way,
do not bend at all.
Oh, don't pick up the soap, pick up the soap,
it's bad for you.
Oh, don't pick up the soap, pick up the soap,
someone will be waiting there for you....
Oh, when you're in prison, be sure to stay awake,
always lie upon your back.
When you're in prison, be sure to stay awake,
keep you from attack.
Oh, don't be no one's *****, be no one's *****,
it's bad for you
Oh, don't be no one's *****, be no one's *****,
they won't help you make it through.
When you're in prison, don't turn the other way,
follow what i say to do.
When you're in prison, don't turn the other way.
You can make it through.
You can make it through.
You can make it through.
The Offspring - When you're in prison.
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