Mutant League 2006 - Wrap-Up!

[mattbib]

Congratulations to this year's champion, The Fury!

And great job to this year's runners-up, Siddon & venuscameback, as well as to all the other players who helped make this year's tournament a success.

The final standings will be updated on the League website today.

Please use this thread to comment on, offer suggestions, or ask questions about this year's League, including the draft list, the draft, the rules, schedule, etc. This thread is not for discussion about any of the matches, teams, or players; keep that in the Trash-Talking Fun Thread (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=102460&highlight=trash-talking).

[twilight]

I'd just like to thank you for handling the league this time Matt.

You did a bang-up job and your getting my vote for citizen of the month.

[The Fury]

Thanks Matt.

Well done everyone, it was a great league. And even though I only ever faced 4 different teams out of 15. I enjoyed it.

I hope to be able to come back next year to defend my title.

P.S. Sorry about all the ranting Matt, you did a great job.

[mattbib]

Thanks. Now is the opportunity to take your rants and turn them into constructive criticism and suggestions for next year. :)

[twilight]

Will we still be going by the "198" list next year or will we revert to all mutants?

I felt kinda stifled by the small drafting pool.

(feel free to tell me to shutup since I walked out halfway through this year)

[mattbib]

Will we still be going by the "198" list next year or will we revert to all mutants?The "198" list IS all mutants.

[The Fury]

Thanks. Now is the opportunity to take your rants and turn them into constructive criticism and suggestions for next year. :)
*Clicks fingers and gets ready to type*

:D

I have suggestions for next year:

1) Omit Selene, Living Monolith and Exodus from the draft. As shown in their teams, sometimes only they were needed to take everyone out.

2) After the forst Round of Play-offs swap the divisions arround, so that this minimises repeat games.

I had 2 myself.

3)....er...did I moan about anything else?

[twilight]

The "198" list IS all mutants.

Sorry.Bad phrasing on my part.

All the mutants we used to have.

[Brian M.]

Thanks again for running this thing Matt, nice job. Also thanks for letting me take the place of a player who couldn't play anymore I had a great time doing this and hopefully will be back next year.

[mattbib]

Sorry.Bad phrasing on my part.

All the mutants we used to have.But they're no longer mutants. Why would they be in a mutant league?

[twilight]

But they're no longer mutants. Why would they be in a mutant league?

I see.FRESH AIR AND NICE NEW SUIT

[mattbib]

1) Omit Selene, Living Monolith and Exodus from the draft. As shown in their teams, sometimes only they were needed to take everyone out.In general, I have a problem omitting ANYONE from the league. As far as I'm concerned if they're a mutant they should be allowed in. Omitting reality-warpers and others without definable powers is one thing, but I think we need more of a case to fully eliminate those that you mentioned. They're not unstoppable after all.

2) After the forst Round of Play-offs swap the divisions arround, so that this minimises repeat games. Again, I've no problem changing the format. But the new format needs to be clearly defined. For instance, what's the point of having Conferences if they're not used for anything? Maybe we should look at redefining the entire League format. Thoughts.?

[The Fury]

In general, I have a problem omitting ANYONE from the league. As far as I'm concerned if they're a mutant they should be allowed in. Omitting reality-warpers and others without definable powers is one thing, but I think we need more of a case to fully eliminate those that you mentioned. They're not unstoppable after all.
Just Selene then? Being an immortal being that has a massless shadow form, has vast telepathic powers, control over earth and fire (and can apparently porduce fire as well) and having magics to rival any magic user in the MU but Strange...well, she's a bit much.

Again, I've no problem changing the format. But the new format needs to be clearly defined. For instance, what's the point of having Conferences if they're not used for anything? Maybe we should look at redefining the entire League format. Thoughts.?
Conferences are good, but not needed. Look at the Football World Cup for example, starts as the ML dies, but not conferences just many league tables, as teams go into the 4th round or QFs onwards it's pretty safe from repeat matches until the semis and/or final.

Although, the play-offs stage is omitted in that case. If you wish to keep them the easiest way is to make it so that when teh QFs round comes, take the 2 winning Play-off winner of Conference A and make them play the winners of the groups in conference B and visa versa.

No possble repeat until the Semi or final that way.[/COLOR]

[mattbib]

Can you provide a diagram of the Football World Cup example? Not familiar with it, and American Football is primarily the 2-conference model.

[The Fury]

Can you provide a diagram of the Football World Cup example? Not familiar with it, and American Football is primarily the 2-conference model.
..okay the World Cup is a bad example. It's just 8 small leagues of 4 going into rounds after that. (Yes 32, but you can keep it 16)

But in the World cup and most Football things, htere is no play-offs so there is a very unlikely chance of having 3 from the same division going through, only ever 2, a winner adn a runner up.

[mattbib]

Let's just make it a bracket...lol. So much simpler. But then some people would be out after Round 1.

[The Fury]

...say what?

How about you keep it the same.

Except for swapping the winning Play-off teams. :)

[venuscameback]

...say what?

How about you keep it the same.

Except for swapping the winning Play-off teams. :)

I like having leagues to start off, it allows older hands to find their rhythm and new players to see how the tournament works, how folk usually write strategies and debate them etc and still have the chance to progress.

but elimininating the play-offs is fine.

I think the tournament runs for too long for non-players to maintain their interest. While as a player I've enjoyed the luxury of a full week inbetween matches this year - especially helpful when you're jointly running a team - it dragged the duration of the tournament out to two months. I think it's fine for matches in the league stage to be once a week because there are so many matches going off (regular matches may help retain voter interest in the tournament too). So maybe we can think about having two matches a week after the league stage?

I'd like to see the two finalists seeded next year so that they're automatically in opposite ends of the drawer.

In the league stage, when two teams are tied on points I think it should be the highest vote differential that wins through, then the lowest number of votes cast against a team, the highest number of votes cast for a team and, if still inseperable after those three comparisons, then take the result of the match between those two teams as deciding who goes through.

However if that match was drawn there is an unlikely but possible scenario in which the above rules - and the current rules - wouldn't produce a winner. In this case I suggest a re-match of the two drawn teams to decide who goes through.

I didn't like the rule which allowed characters freshly to be mutants or to have their powers intact post-Decimation to be eligible to be drafted. It caused confusion as the tournament progressed with people unsure if character xxxx was one eligible or not. It keeps it simpler to stick to the starting draft pool and not add to it as we go along - but I appreciate this year was special because The 198 was new and the fate of many characters was (and is still) unclear.

Thanks Matt for your smooth handling of the tournament & congratulations to Kri once more for an excellent, well-deserved win

venus

[Tre Styles]

*ahem* (taps glass)I'd like to make a toast.

To the Fury:
To the only man who beat me in this year's tournament. To one of creative strategies, and almost unstoppableness! To an excellent choice of team and decisions. To award winning debates! For all this and more, Fury, you deserved this win. So to you my friend, I say congratulations, and hopefully, we'll be here next year to wipe the floor with you. ;) Just kidding.....but again
Congratulations Fury!
Also thanks to all the participants of this year's league, it made it quite the fun run.

[The Fury]

To the Fury:
So to you my friend, I say congratulations, and hopefully, we'll be here next year to wipe the floor with you. ;) Just kidding.....but again
Congratulations Fury!

You never know, I could get a crap team next year. :)

[Siddon]

On Selene

considering how you used Rogue, or how someone could use other characters I wouldn't say she is to powerful.

On the Draft Pool

I think a number of characters should be included next year, I think if you have held a title of X-man you should be let it. It would also be better to have a bit more powerhouses in like (Warlock, Captain Britain, Juggernaut, Warbird (who was an X-man), Longshot, Blink, Pocy, Mrs. Marvel, Quicksilver) to dilute the first round.

On Kid Vulcan

He seems to be on the level of a Mr. M but we have a year to check him out, see if he can realistically be defeated. We will see if Brubaker depowers him a bit.

On Fury

Great job, and it was a spirted battle, and honestly I enjoyed myself much more this year. Once again the winner didn't come from the front of the pack in the draft order but in the late middle area.

[The Fury]

On Selene

considering how you used Rogue, or how someone could use other characters I wouldn't say she is to powerful.
Yeah...okay.

Although I was surprised at the fact you did not use Selene anywhere near to her full power in that last battle, she was only ever used simply. Which still worked to the desired effect.

And I ad the Rogue absorb my team idea from the start., being able to get Madrox just made it sweetter. :)

n the Draft Pool

I think a number of characters should be included next year, I think if you have held a title of X-man you should be let it. It would also be better to have a bit more powerhouses in like (Warlock, Captain Britain, Juggernaut, Warbird (who was an X-man), Longshot, Blink, Pocy, Mrs. Marvel, Quicksilver) to dilute the first round.

I'm still unsure of Non-mutant characters. Longshot is a probability person so will be ignored, but the mystic people aren't mutants and Quicksilver is not longer a mutant.

On Kid Vulcan

He seems to be on the level of a Mr. M but we have a year to check him out, see if he can realistically be defeated. We will see if Brubaker depowers him a bit.
This is interesting. I never thought of him. At his current levels he is too powerful. Depending on where Brubaker takes it depends on how he could be defined.

His original powers were crazy powerful to begin with, but he was able to do all the other stuff. He could bend energy. Simple as that. Although that still makes him weak against TPs and can't himself produce energy...right?

On Fury

Great job, and it was a spirted battle, and honestly I enjoyed myself much more this year. Once again the winner didn't come from the front of the pack in the draft order but in the late middle area.
Indeed, good job to you too. It was a great final. :D

[Nightcrawler]

Congratulations, Fury, you definatley deserve it!

[venuscameback]

I think a number of characters should be included next year, I think if you have held a title of X-man you should be let it. It would also be better to have a bit more powerhouses in like (Warlock, Captain Britain, Juggernaut, Warbird (who was an X-man), Longshot, Blink, Pocy, Mrs. Marvel, Quicksilver) to dilute the first round.


I agree. Restricting it to The 198 was kinda fitting for this year but if there are still so few mutants around next year i'd like to see a return to the policy that if they served on an x-team, they are eligible

Wait ... Warbird was an X-member :eek:

[mattbib]

Wait ... Warbird was an X-member :eek:No. She was a patient of Xavier's and a guest at the mansion.

[The Fury]

No. She was a patient of Xavier's and a guest at the mansion.

LoL okay Siddon had me worried there ...

I don't think Warbird should count in that case :p

venus

[Siddon]

No. She was a patient of Xavier's and a guest at the mansion.

Carol Danvers was an X-man on numerous occasions as she did take over Rogue for periods of time. She was also an X-man as Binary when they fought the Brood and she eventually rejected membership. The real measure of her X-validity is she was enough of an X-man for Claremont to put her in X-men: The End as a major figure.

[Flight]

LoL okay Siddon had me worried there ...

I don't think Warbird should count in that case :p

venus Oh Fury, please don't tell me YOUR account is another one of Venus's duplicates! :rolleyes:

[Siddon]

Oh Fury, please don't tell me YOUR account is another one of Venus's duplicates! :rolleyes:

Obviously Fury and Venus where cheating and have their placement stripped.

So I guess that leaves me as the winner

HAHAHAHAHA

(Kri moved in with Ian last month, I actually had a conversation with Kri as Ian)

[StarsAndGarters]

I really enjoyed the game this time. Nice to get a chance at the big leagues. I'll be back for next year! :D

[venuscameback]

Oh Fury, please don't tell me YOUR account is another one of Venus's duplicates! :rolleyes:

Unless venus is a creation of Fury ...

maybe you have this whole thing even more upside down and inside out than you realised. or maybe you could just figure out you got it wrong and let it go ...

venus

(apologies to all - I guess Kri didn't log out after posting earlier)

[StarsAndGarters]

Unless venus is a creation of Fury ...

maybe you have this whole thing even more upside down and inside out than you realised. or maybe you could just figure out you got it wrong and let it go ...

venus

(apologies to all - I guess Kri didn't log out after posting earlier)Oh come on, we can trust you Ian. Look at those eyes! :D

[Siddon]

Oh come on, we can trust you Ian. Look at those eyes! :D


No don't trust him/them/it trust Flight and award the championship to me.

[The Fury]

LoL okay Siddon had me worried there ...

I don't think Warbird should count in that case :p

venus
....When did I say this? :confused:

Oh Fury, please don't tell me YOUR account is another one of Venus's duplicates! :rolleyes:
My fault for not login out it seems.

Or his for not checking.


(Kri moved in with Ian last month, I actually had a conversation with Kri as Ian)
I could have so easily pretended to be Ian then and got all those great ideas...dang me and my honesty.

[Jackalman]

Unless venus is a creation of Fury ...

maybe you have this whole thing even more upside down and inside out than you realised. or maybe you could just figure out you got it wrong and let it go ...

venus

(apologies to all - I guess Kri didn't log out after posting earlier)
I've got a rival.

Only I am the creation of Fury. It is I who control him.

....
.
...

I think.

[The Fury]

I've got a rival.

Only I am the creation of Fury. It is I who control him.

....
.
...

I think.
Hey, what are you doing out?

Get back in your corner.

[Jackalman]

Hey, what are you doing out?

Get back in your corner.
Says you, I shall be free fo...

*Fury captures Jackalman and locks him back in his corner*

Dang!

[venuscameback]

No don't trust him/them/it trust Flight and award the championship to me.

bud, if i'm out then so are you ... because as my partner you could have been in on it

which means the team we eliminated in the semi-finals (Maka Nani/Spirit of Vengeance) wins ... no wait that doesn't help ...

the team they beat wins ...

Go Flight!

[mattbib]

I guess there's some room for interpretation, but the fact is she was never considered an X-Man. Even as far back as the original OHOTMU she was specifically listed under the "Allies" section under the X-Men entry. And she's never appeared on an X-Men roster since.Carol Danvers was an X-man on numerous occasions as she did take over Rogue for periods of time.
Of course that was only a residual psyche, not really Carol Danvers.
The real measure of her X-validity is she was enough of an X-man for Claremont to put her in X-men: The End as a major figure.And even there she's only really a Starjammer.

[Siddon]

Well lets be realistic then there should be 16 A-leaguers for the next draft.


Spoilers ahead

Exodus
Selene
Living Monolith
Cassandra Nova
Quicksilver
Polaris
Apocaylpse
Warlock
Northstar
Emma Frost
Rogue
Madrox
Iceman
Magma
Rachel Grey
Storm

thats not a bad group of mutants for next year, with Kid Vulcan maybe on the list.

The other thing you could do is expand the field and add in the major X-mutants to get the field to 250. Maybe throw in the Exiles and some wildcard dead mutants.

[mattbib]

There's a lot of range in that list. We'll see. And we'll also have to see what happens over the next nine months in the comic as well.

[The Fury]

Siddon,

Quicksilver Is not a mutant. Not anymore. the powers that this character has gained are from a different source and so not a mutantcy.

[LoneWolf21]

One thing I learned, a character may be powerful, but the relative obscurity of that character can be a hinderance.

[The Lucky One]

One thing I learned, a character may be powerful, but the relative obscurity of that character can be a hinderance.

Brother, you ain't just whistlin' dixie.
;)

-D

[Jellobay]

TLO, when are you a Fury going to go toe to toe?

Lets get ready to rumble.

[Spirit of vengeance]

Congratulations Kri you did very well

Fancy a drink to celebrate? *Hands Kri the glass of champagne*

Bottoms up!

Dan

[Spirit of vengeance]

Oh Fury, please don't tell me YOUR account is another one of Venus's duplicates! :rolleyes:

Flight you can be such a jerkoff.

You made this allegation before the matches started and it doesn't even make sense. It was all investigated and proved that it is not possible for it to be true.

Are you so sore you lost that you would try to substract from The Fury's celebration?

What a loser :rolleyes:

Dan

[The Fury]

Congratulations Kri you did very well

Fancy a drink to celebrate? *Hands Kri the glass of champagne*

Bottoms up!

Dan
Cheers, SoV. :)

And don't worry about the Flight thing, I know for a fact you are not Venus.

He's uglier then you.

[venuscameback]

And don't worry about the Flight thing, I know for a fact you are not Venus.

He's uglier then you.

...

can't argue with that

and Kri's right, Dan, don't let Flight get to you

[The Fury]

Hey...was there a prize to this?

I remember something about adrawing being discussed?

[mattbib]

Hey...was there a prize to this?

I remember something about adrawing being discussed?You're wearing the prize.

[venuscameback]

Hey...was there a prize to this?

I remember something about adrawing being discussed?

I'd forgotten about that. A drawing of you with your seven characters, right?

[The Fury]

You're wearing the prize.
Yeah, i made that.

What about anything else?

[mattbib]

What about anything else?What about it? I don't remember ever saying there were prizes.

Give yourself a pat on the back.

[The Fury]

What about it? I don't remember ever saying there were prizes.

Give yourself a pat on the back.
...okay....

(Worth a shot)

[The Lucky One]

I don't remember if I ever even said it, TF, but just in case- (belated) congratulations!!!

As to the prize, it was an idea I had and brought up at the onset of the tournament; I thought (and still do) that it would be cool for us to get either one or a group of the talented artists on this board to do a drawing of the winning team as sort of a prize for the winner. There seemed to be some interest in it, but we never really discussed it in much detail and I didn't follow up on it like I probably should have, so it never got off the ground. If any artists are willing to volunteer, though, that would be awesome; and maybe next year, we can get a more "formal" talk going about it ahead of time.

-D

[venuscameback]

I don't remember if I ever even said it, TF, but just in case- (belated) congratulations!!!

As to the prize, it was an idea I had and brought up at the onset of the tournament; I thought (and still do) that it would be cool for us to get either one or a group of the talented artists on this board to do a drawing of the winning team as sort of a prize for the winner. There seemed to be some interest in it, but we never really discussed it in much detail and I didn't follow up on it like I probably should have, so it never got off the ground. If any artists are willing to volunteer, though, that would be awesome; and maybe next year, we can get a more "formal" talk going about it ahead of time.

-D

I was sure someone said that if no-one else volunteered to do the picture they would draw it themselves ...

but I guess I was wrong

[The Lucky One]

I still think that if participants were willing to chip in just like $5 apiece ahead of time, we could commission bakla or somebody to draw up a quick sketch of whoever the winner's team ends up being. I mean five dollars times sixteen participants, that's like... carry the one, i before e except after c... like 500 dollars!

-D

[Brian M.]

I'm not wearing any pants right now, some people might consider that a prize.

[The Lucky One]

This is true. They're called "pedophiles."

-D

[bakla]

This is true. They're called "pedophiles."

-D
I had an affair with a pedophile once. At least I think it was an affair. I was 11, what would I know? ;)

I still think that if participants were willing to chip in just like $5 apiece ahead of time, we could commission bakla or somebody to draw up a quick sketch of whoever the winner's team ends up being. I mean five dollars times sixteen participants, that's like... carry the one, i before e except after c... like 500 dollars!

-D
And... money for drawings? An ineresting concept, that. I'd be up for it. :D

[The Fury]

And... money for drawings? An ineresting concept, that. I'd be up for it. :D
I'll give you a $1 to draw Psylocke in a sexy naked pose.
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No?...Dang worth a shot.

[twilight]

I suggested a while back that we do a poster for the winner like an X-Jam.We ask artists to contribute by drawing one character on the team and then we photoshop them all together.

[bakla]

I'll give you a $1 to draw Psylocke in a sexy naked pose.
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No?...Dang worth a shot.
I normally draw all my women naked before putting their clothes on.

[The Fury]

I normally draw all my women naked before putting their clothes on.
Yeah but I mean in some sort of sexy pose.

;) ;)

[bakla]

Yeah but I mean in some sort of sexy pose.

;) ;)
You haven't seen how I really draw, have you?

I was weaned on 17 years of objective Playboy reading - for a gay man, I'm pretty obsessed with sexy women. Why do you think the Goblin Queen looks that way? ;)

[The Fury]

You haven't seen how I really draw, have you?

I was weaned on 17 years of objective Playboy reading - for a gay man, I'm pretty obsessed with sexy women. Why do you think I the Goblin Queen looks that way? ;)
Well, no.

I've only seen your...shall we say, PG rated stuff.

[The Lucky One]

Bakla's Goblyn Queen was the background of my computer for months and months. Then we had people over to the house and I had to change it for fear of uncomfortable questions about who the hot redhead in the ripped leather bikini was. True story.

-D

[twilight]

Bakla's Goblyn Queen was the background of my computer for months and months. Then we had people over to the house and I had to change it for fear of uncomfortable questions about who the hot redhead in the ripped leather bikini was. True story.

Bakla's Dazzler is my wallpaper right now.

[The Lucky One]

Bakla's Dazzler is my wallpaper right now.

Don't think I'm familiar with it. Link?

-D

[StarsAndGarters]

Don't think I'm familiar with it. Link?

-DOoh, I wanna find these... is there a thread?

[venuscameback]

And... money for drawings? An ineresting concept, that. I'd be up for it. :D

so how much do we have to raise to buy the group shot for Kri from you?

7 characters plus kri

[The Fury]

so how much do we have to raise to buy the group shot for Kri from you?

7 characters plus kri
Why me?

I have an ugly mug. Rogue on the other hand.....

EDIT: Unless you do me in comic form...like my Avatar. :D

[Kal]

So I guess it's to late vote? :p So that's it for the whole year? Why don't you have like two or three "mini" tournaments and have top three winners from each tournament battle out at the end of the year?

[The Fury]

So I guess it's to late vote? :p So that's it for the whole year? Why don't you have like two or three "mini" tournaments and have top three winners from each tournament battle out at the end of the year?
I dunno, will take a little organising.

At least it's more regular then the olympics and lasts longer.

Although, Me and last years winner might have a match soemtime. If he's still up for it.

[mattbib]

Although, Me and last years winner might have a match soemtime. If he's still up for it.An exhibition match? How about later this spring or summer? Maybe at the half-way point until Mutant League 2007.

[The Fury]

An exhibition match? How about later this spring or summer? Maybe at the half-way point until Mutant League 2007.
Sure, I was going to ask Drew so we planned it a few months from now. But your idea might be good.

His team from his win and my team from mine.

[Kal]

I dunno, will take a little organising.

At least it's more regular then the olympics and lasts longer.

Although, Me and last years winner might have a match soemtime. If he's still up for it.

It just seems like there's nothing else to do for the rest of the year.

BTW:

Congratulations!!!

[The Fury]

It just seems like there's nothing else to do for the rest of the year.

BTW:

Congratulations!!!
True there is not. I guess we'll just have to read comics.

And thanks. :)

[mattbib]

It just seems like there's nothing else to do for the rest of the year.Presumably Nightcrawler will run the Marvel League again this summer.

Plus Project CBRunway will be announced in the coming weeks.

[The Fury]

Plus Project CBRunway will be announced in the coming weeks.
CBRunaway?

Er...what's that?

[mattbib]

CBRunaway?

Er...what's that?NOT runaway...runway.

[The Fury]

NOT runaway...runway.
Gotcha...okay. :)

[bakla]

so how much do we have to raise to buy the group shot for Kri from you?


Eek, I really don't know - someone just give me a rate and I'll try and figure out a timeframe...it's really more a matter of finding the time. I mean, I have been known to draw requests fer free, when the characters are fun to draw. But I have to see if I would take to drawing the particular team easily, although I could always tweak them as necessary. Who's the cast? I'm afraid I haven't been following the tourney much.

[The Lucky One]

Sure, I was going to ask Drew so we planned it a few months from now. But your idea might be good.

His team from his win and my team from mine.

Sounds fun. Yeah, wait till I've been married a few months and my spirit's good and crushed, then we can have it. It'll be an easier win for TF that way.

-D

[Brian M.]

I WILL WIN NEXT YEAR. YOUR ALL GONNA BOW TO ME!!!!

[The Fury]

Eek, I really don't know - someone just give me a rate and I'll try and figure out a timeframe...it's really more a matter of finding the time. I mean, I have been known to draw requests fer free, when the characters are fun to draw. But I have to see if I would take to drawing the particular team easily, although I could always tweak them as necessary. Who's the cast? I'm afraid I haven't been following the tourney much.
Rate?...er dunno.

The team:

Rogue, Madrox, Mentallo, Namor, Thunderbird, Arclight and Toad.

[The Fury]

Sounds fun. Yeah, wait till I've been married a few months and my spirit's good and crushed, then we can have it. It'll be an easier win for TF that way.

-D
Sounds good. :D

[venuscameback]

Rate?...er dunno.

The team:

Rogue, Madrox, Mentallo, Namor, Thunderbird, Arclight and Toad.

That's Thunderbird II, Neal Sharma, if that helps

I'm happy to chip in on the costs, maybe you could PM all participants and ask if they'd be prepared to chip in and if so with how much, matt, and let bakla know what rate we could offer?

venus

[The Fury]

That's Thunderbird II, Neal Sharma, if that helps

I'm happy to chip in on the costs, maybe you could PM all participants and ask if they'd be prepared to chip in and if so with how much, matt, and let bakla know what rate we could offer?

venus
How many of the partipants are going to pay to have bakla draw something that will be mine? seriously?

Also, Thunderbird 3 actually. Warpath was T2. :)

And never mind bakla, I'm cool.

[venuscameback]

I know I will, I'm sure Maka Nani will & I'm sure a few others will

[The Lucky One]

How many of the partipants are going to pay to have bakla draw something that will be mine? seriously?

Well, as long as we get to see it, sure. And obviously everyone but you would have to be naked in it, of course. Goes without saying.

-D

[The Fury]

Well, as long as we get to see it, sure. And obviously everyone but you would have to be naked in it, of course. Goes without saying.

-D
Including Mentallo and Toad?

Okay...

[The Lucky One]

Including Mentallo and Toad?

Okay...

At this point I'd make a joke about Mentallo's purple helmet, but I think it'd probably get me banned. So I'll just say that some species of toads have been known to change sex when put in single-sex enviroments. Who knows, ol' Morty might be totally hot without that pesky Y chromosome.
;)

-D

[The Fury]

At this point I'd make a joke about Mentallo's purple helmet, but I think it'd probably get me banned. So I'll just say that some species of toads have been known to change sex when put in single-sex enviroments. Who knows, ol' Morty might be totally hot without that pesky Y chromosome.
;)

-D
Mentallo's helmet is red.

Besides, there's only 2 women on my team. Although, if you combine Madrox and Rogue we could have 40 Women. :D


Also, if they actually did that as a plot (Toad thing) I'd buy marvel for life.

[The Lucky One]

Besides, there's only 2 women on my team. Although, if you combine Madrox and Rogue we could have 40 Women. :D

Too bad he's not drawing my team from last year- Warlock could infect Madrox with the transmode virus and then have the dupes shapeshift into the last 4 years' worth of Playmates.
;)

-D

[The Fury]

Too bad he's not drawing my team from last year- Warlock could infect Madrox with the transmode virus and then have the dupes shapeshift into the last 4 years' worth of Playmates.
;)

-D
...indeed shame.

*Wonders why he didn't pick Mystique*

[venuscameback]

Well, as long as we get to see it, sure. And obviously everyone but you would have to be naked in it, of course. Goes without saying.

-D

:evilsmile wait, why doesn't Kri have to be naked?

will there be one or 40 naked Madri?

[The Lucky One]

:evilsmile wait, why doesn't Kri have to be naked?

Of all people, why do YOU care? You can't tell me this is the best way you could figure out to accomplish THAT goal...

-D

[The Fury]

Of all people, why do YOU care? You can't tell me this is the best way you could figure out to accomplish THAT goal...

-D
I'm as disturbed as you are...seriously.

[venuscameback]

Of all people, why do YOU care? You can't tell me this is the best way you could figure out to accomplish THAT goal...

-D

My goal to give Kri a hard time?

I accomplish that most days :p

I already have photos of Kri from his birthday 'celebration'. That's more than I need. Edited to add: Thank you for your interest but no, copies are not available. Kri made me promise to never show anyone

I'm as disturbed as you are...seriously.

You were seriously disturbed long before we hooked up

[mattbib]

In anticipation of Mutant League 2007, please provide feedback:

1) The tournament. What's your preference on divisions, conferences, etc.? What's the minimum number of times any one team should play? If you suggest a format that an existing organization uses, please provide a diagram to help me understand what it is you're saying. Also, feel free to suggest alternatives to the current league format. We're not stuck using four divisions in two conferences.

2) The mutants. Last year was limited to those who still had mutant powers. Some want to exclude characters based on power levels. Others would rather include additional non-mutant, X-related powerhouses to even the playing field. Some would like to use point assignments. Thoughts?

3) The Lucky One and The Fury...do you still want to have an exhibition match?

[The Fury]

1) The tournament. What's your preference on divisions, conferences, etc.? What's the minimum number of times any one team should play? If you suggest a format that an existing organization uses, please provide a diagram to help me understand what it is you're saying. Also, feel free to suggest alternatives to the current league format. We're not stuck using four divisions in two conferences.
It's all fine, except for one feature, the chance of repeat matches. Last time a team had the chance of 2 repeats before the final, so only playing 4 different teams in the entire tournement if they made it to the final. Of course it didn;t happen, but there were a few repeats.

To sort this the easiest thing is to make the Winner's of play-offs A and B play winners of Groups C and D, and visa versa. This at least means that teams only really have the chance of playing a repeat in the final so the best 2 teams will always get there, when before the best 2 teams could start in the same disivion but meet in the semi-final.

I''ve lost myself....you get the idea right?

2) The mutants. Last year was limited to those who still had mutant powers. Some want to exclude characters based on power levels. Others would rather include additional non-mutant, X-related powerhouses to even the playing field. Some would like to use point assignments. Thoughts?
I think we should include all known mutants that are still powered and add a selected few that are not confirmed powered ot depowered up to 198. Keep somewhat to the stories in the X-men.

For me, no non-mutant should be in it. It's called Mutant tournement, not X-men tournement.

3) The Lucky One and The Fury...do you still want to have an exhibition match?
Yes. :D

[The Lucky One]

No point assignments- the format we have works fine, and there are way too many characters who get overvalued or undervalued when you try to do points.

I'm in favor of using non-mutant X-members, myself... yes, it's called the Mutant Tournament, but it takes place on the X-Board, not the Mutant Board. But I don't have a strong preference for that, because the two non-mutants I'd be most interested in (Mimic and Longshot) are both excluded anyway for being, respectively, too powerful and having too unpredictable of a power.

As for an exhibition match, I'm game. Bring it.

-D

[The Fury]

I'm in favor of using non-mutant X-members, myself... yes, it's called the Mutant Tournament, but it takes place on the X-Board, not the Mutant Board. But I don't have a strong preference for that, because the two non-mutants I'd be most interested in (Mimic and Longshot) are both excluded anyway for being, respectively, too powerful and having too unpredictable of a power.
-D
The only extra we might have is Captain Britain and Juggernaut anyway. Both just strong.

There are more then enough strong people already in it.

[Zombienorthstar]

I cant wait for this to role around next year. One of my main problems with the Avengers league was limited knowledge of their continuity. It meant i had to do much more research and therefore was too much time for me to continue to participate. When the mutant leagues come back that will not be a problem.

[mattbib]

Let's shoot having the X-hibition Match on 9/18, with voting ending on 9/22.

I believe the teams were:

The Lucky One:
Quicksliver, Multiple Man, Warlock, Sabra, Justice, Penance, Mary Zero

and

The Fury's Inducers of Pandemonium in the Realm of Death:
Rogue, Multiple Man, Mentallo, Sub-Mariner, Thunderbird, Arclight, Toad

[The Fury]

CRAP!!

I forgot how good LTO's team was.

Bring it on!!!

Oh, we going on powers when we used them? Else, Mary Zero is pretty much useless.

[mattbib]

Please e-mail your strategies to me by 9AM on 9/18. Same rules apply as last year, including power levels at which you drafted your original teams (i.e. Quicksilver has his normal speed powers). This should be interesting.

[The Fury]

:D

I'm oddly excited about this.

[Cypher]

When will this happen again? I'd love to get in on it. Sounds like fun.

[The Lucky One]

:D

I'm oddly excited about this.


Me too. I totally forgot you had Madrox too... the streets will run red with dupe blood. ;)

Quick question: does Warpath have flight? He doesn't seem to in Brubaker's issues, but then again, we're going with my team as they were during that tournament, not now. Did you use him flying during last year's tournament, Kri?

And Cypher, the Mutant Tournament generally starts at the beginning of the year. Unless Matt plans on changing it this year, I'd imagine the draft would take place in early January and fights would begin in late January/early February.

-D

[mattbib]

And Cypher, the Mutant Tournament generally starts at the beginning of the year. Unless Matt plans on changing it this year, I'd imagine the draft would take place in early January and fights would begin in late January/early February.

-DYep, it'll be announced around 1/1, followed by a week of sign-ups, and then the draft will begin once all slots are filled.

[Zombienorthstar]

Yep, it'll be announced around 1/1, followed by a week of sign-ups, and then the draft will begin once all slots are filled.


Im quite excited....

[Brian M.]

2007 Mutant League Champion: UTVol8102


Just thought I'd toss it in there. I rule, you suck YEA ME!!! :)

[The Fury]

Quick question: does Warpath have flight? He doesn't seem to in Brubaker's issues, but then again, we're going with my team as they were during that tournament, not now. Did you use him flying during last year's tournament, Kri?

-D
Warpath was 2 years ago dude.

My team is last years winnign team of:

Rogue, Multiple Man, Mentallo, Sub-Mariner, Thunderbird, Arclight, Toad

Wait, are you thinking Thunderbird is Warpath? Sorry but it's Neal Shaara on my team, Thunderbird 3.

[The Lucky One]

Oh, right... duh. Don't know why I didn't think of that.

Carry on.

-D

[The Fury]

Oh, right... duh. Don't know why I didn't think of that.

Carry on.

-D
Yeah, well, becuase he was at that time the only character known as Thunderbird, then in the matches he was listed as Thunderbird.

I was hoping in the entire last tourny that someone would accidentily use Warpath. Competely wrong character = easy win for me. :)

Hmm...which reminds me, i've got to take down what characters you have.

[The Fury]

Okay so...TLOs team was good, no wonder he won.

[The Lucky One]

Okay so...TLOs team was good, no wonder he won.

Heh... thanks, man. Writing your strategy, I take it?

Here's a thought- since Madrox is on both teams, would it be easier to understand if we referred to them by different codenames? Like, mine could be called Madrox and yours Multiple Man? Let me know what you think.

-D

[The Fury]

Heh... thanks, man. Writing your strategy, I take it?

Here's a thought- since Madrox is on both teams, would it be easier to understand if we referred to them by different codenames? Like, mine could be called Madrox and yours Multiple Man? Let me know what you think.

-D
Er...yeah, that sounds better. He was using 'Madrox' around the time of your tourny win right?

I've already writen some of mine and used Madrox but it is easily changed.


So, to comfirm to Matt and anyone watching, TLO will call his 40 dupes Madrox (as I will when fighting him) and I will call mine Multiple Man (as will TLO fighting me).

That cool?

[The Fury]

Almost done. :)

Just got to write the finishing touches.

I'm so going to lose.

[The Lucky One]

Almost done. :)

Just got to write the finishing touches.

I'm so going to lose.

Dude... you've got a good team, and it's full of characters who are fresher in people's minds than my squad of "...he can do what again?". You've got at least as good a shot of winning as I do.

(But I HAVE enjoyed finding ways to mulch them all.)
:evilsmile

-D

[The Fury]

Dude... you've got a good team, and it's full of characters who are fresher in people's minds than my squad of "...he can do what again?". You've got at least as good a shot of winning as I do.

(But I HAVE enjoyed finding ways to mulch them all.)
:evilsmile

-D
I've found a nice little back up I thought I could use....still until only yesterday I forgot about Sabra's passing her power thing...so, taken care of that now...I think.

[The Lucky One]

Just checking... the plan is still to start this tomorrow, right? Just sent my strategy to Matt.

-D

[mattbib]

Yep, got it. I'll post the thread sometime tomorrow morning, assuming I get The Fury's strategy.

[The Fury]

....Crap..sorry.

Deadline was before today...nto today.

I got it ready.

Sorry.

I'll send it.

EDIT: SENT.

[mattbib]

So....I think I've decided to abandon the round-robin format for a double-elimination format.

[The Fury]

So....I think I've decided to abandon the round-robin format for a double-elimination format.
Intreging.

How does it work?

[mattbib]

Intreging.

How does it work?Everyone has to lose two matches to be eliminated. You remain in the top bracket until you lose. After your first loss, you move to the bottom bracket. After your second loss, you're out.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/68/NSB-doubleelim-draw-2004.png

[The Fury]

Everyone has to lose two matches to be eliminated. You remain in the top bracket until you lose. After your first loss, you move to the bottom bracket. After your second loss, you're out.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/68/NSB-doubleelim-draw-2004.png
:confused:

I think I follow it. The question I put to you though. What are the chances of repeat matches?

[mattbib]

:confused:

I think I follow it. The question I put to you though. What are the chances of repeat matches?There's a possibility at the very end for a team to play each other a second time; you can see in the graph A&M and Jefferson play each other back-to-back. But it's a much lesser chance of repeat matches than in last year's format.

[The Fury]

There's a possibility at the very end for a team to play each other a second time; you can see in the graph A&M and Jefferson play each other back-to-back. But it's a much lesser chance of repeat matches than in last year's format.
:D

That is the way it should be. In this format it means that the 2 best teams will always get to the final.

Cheers, Matt, you did well. :D

[Brian M.]

I like that.

[The Fury]

I can't wait. Time to win again.

Matt, is this a good opportunity to raise issues on selection and stuff?

[Brian M.]

I can't wait. Time to win again.

Matt, is this a good opportunity to raise issues on selection and stuff?

I did alright last year w/ a team I didn't pick so we'll see how I go w/ a team I actually did pick.

[The Fury]

I did alright last year w/ a team I didn't pick so we'll see how I go w/ a team I actually did pick.
Yeah, true. You'll prob do better with a team of your choice.

I won with a surprisingly weak team really.

[Brian M.]

Yeah, true. You'll prob do better with a team of your choice.

I won with a surprisingly weak team really.
Yea it's hard to win w/ a guy like Alchemy on your team.

[The Fury]

Yea it's hard to win w/ a guy like Alchemy on your team.
You have to use your imagination. While people can question a characters limits, if you work out a way so that it within their power but could be considered a feat then cool.

I think i was just lucky to get rogue and madrox together though. :)

[Brian M.]

You have to use your imagination. While people can question a characters limits, if you work out a way so that it within their power but could be considered a feat then cool.

I think i was just lucky to get rogue and madrox together though. :)

oh yea that was a nice little combo. I had Northstar and Aurora on the same team and two speedsters was nice but I really didn't have anybody that was pure firepower.

[The Fury]

oh yea that was a nice little combo. I had Northstar and Aurora on the same team and two speedsters was nice but I really didn't have anybody that was pure firepower.
True. But with that much speed? it helped a lot. Of course did you make use of Northstar being evil?

[Brian M.]

True. But with that much speed? it helped a lot. Of course did you make use of Northstar being evil?

Oh yea, I had him kill a few times. Since he was deprogramed and such I used a few things from that one issue of Wolverine where he would just run through and shatter people.

[mattbib]

Matt, is this a good opportunity to raise issues on selection and stuff?Yes, I'm beginning to compile the draft pool, so now's the time to raise any issues.

[Brian M.]

Can we already RSVP a spot or is it still to early?

[The Fury]

Yes, I'm beginning to compile the draft pool, so now's the time to raise any issues.
Cool. First where do we stand on non-mutant team members of x-men or related teams?

[The Fury]

So....I think I've decided to abandon the round-robin format for a double-elimination format.
Stray thought, are we still have the group stage?

[mattbib]

Cool. First where do we stand on non-mutant team members of x-men or related teams?As of now it's mutant only.

[mattbib]

Stray thought, are we still have the group stage?The group stage?

[The Fury]

The group stage?
Okay the Football World Cup has what is known as the group stage then followed by the knock out phase.

think NFL Divisions followed by the play offs, just a lot shorter.

[The Fury]

As of now it's mutant only.
Cool, good.

And the status of Quicksilver? is he classed as Inhuman now?

[mattbib]

Okay the Football World Cup has what is known as the group stage then followed by the knock out phase.

think NFL Divisions followed by the play offs, just a lot shorter.No, then, just the double-elimination bracket. Which itself will probably be two weeks longer than the previous round-robin tournament.

[The Fury]

No, then, just the double-elimination bracket. Which itself will probably be two weeks longer than the previous round-robin tournament.
Okay, cool. sounds good. :D Just checking on things as schedual is important.

[mattbib]

Leaguers, here's the potential draft list, though there will be a twist come draft time. Please help me weed out dead and/or depowered mutants from the first section. Then help me confirm that the second section is comprised solely of dead and/or depowered mutants. Now's also the time to question inclusion/exclusion, etc.

Alive & Powered
Alchemy
Anole
Apocalypse
Archangel
Arclight
Asp
Asylum
Aurora
Avalanche
Beast
Beautiful Dreamer
Big Bertha
Bishop
Black Box
Blindfold
Bling!
Braddock, Jamie
Bruiser
Cable
Caliban
Cannonball
Cargill, Joanna
Catiana
Cheney, Lila
Collective Man (40)
Colossus
Cyclops
Dark Beast
Darwin
Dazzler
Debrii
Dee, Johnny
Diamond Lil
Domino
Doorman
Dragoness
Dust
Elixir
Empath
Erg
Ernst
Exodus
Fever Pitch
Firestar
Flatman
Forge
Frost, Emma
Gambit
Gateway
Ghoul
Glob Herman
Havok
Hellion
Husk
Icarus
Iceman
Ichiki, Hisako
Indra
Jazz
Jeffries, Madison
No-Girl
Johnson, Daisy
Justice
Karma
Kylun
Lady Mastermind
Leech (50')
Lifeguard
Lightbright
Litterbug
Living Monolith
Loa
Lorelei III
M
Madame Web
Magma
Mammomax
Marrow
Marvel Girl
Match
Meld
Meltdown
Mentallo
Mercury V
Microbe
Micromax
Miller, Layla
Mysterio
Mr. Immortal
Mr. M
Multiple Man (40)
Mystique
Nagasonic Teenage Warhead
Namorita
Nightcrawler
Nixon, Kiden
Nocturne
Northstar
Omega Red
Onyxx
Outlaw
Owl
Peepers
Persuasion
Pixie
Polaris
Prism
Psylocke
Puck II
Pulse
Quill
Quire, Quentin
Random
Rasputin, Mikhail
Reaper
Rhapsody
Richards, Franklin
Ricochet
Rockslide
Rogue
Sabra
Sabretooth
Sack
Sage
Scalphunter
Scrambler
Selene
Shadow King
Shadowcat
Shatterstar
Shaw, Sebastian
Shaw, Shinobi
Silver Samurai
Siryn
Skein
Skids
Squirrel Girl
Stepford Cuckoos
Storm
Strong Guy
Sub-Mariner
Sunfire
Sunspot
Surge
Swordsman III
Tempo
Thunderbird III
Timeslip
Toad
Trance
Ursa Major
Vanguard
Voght, Amelia
Vulcan
Wallflower
Warpath
Whedon, Evangeline
Whirlwind
Wisdom, Pete
Wither
Wolf Cub
Wolfsbane
Wolverine
X-23

Depowered and/or Dead
Abyss
Aero
Alexander Lexington
Angel Salvadore
Artie Maddicks
Banshee
Beak
Black Tom Cassidy
Blind Faith
Blob
Bloodlust
Boost
Bora
Brass
Caiman
Callisto
Chamber
Conquistador
DJ
Dryad
El Aguila
Fatale
Feral
Flambe
Freakshow
Gazer
Golden Child
Hack
Harpoon
Hazard
Hub
Hybrid
Hydro
Jon Spectre
Jubilee
Key
King Bedlam
Kiwi Black
Lightning Rod
Mary Zero
Mesmero
Mist Mistress
Monsoon
Moonstar
Murmur
Murmur II
Network
Nightwind
Overrider
Paralyzer
Pasco
Phantazia
Postman
Preview
Prodigy
Purge
Quill
Radian
Radius
Randall Shire
Razorback
Reaper
Redneck
Rictor
Rubbermaid
Scanner
Scarlet Knight
Shatter
Shola Inkosi
Specter
Spoilsport
Stacy X
Strobe
Tag
Tantra
Tarot
Tattoo
Tether
Thornn
Tremolo
Unus
Vague
Wicked
Wild Child
Wildside
Wind Dancer
Windshear
Wiz Kid
Wraith

[The Lucky One]

Leaguers, here's the potential draft list, though there will be a twist come draft time. Please help me weed out dead and/or depowered mutants from the first section. Then help me confirm that the second section is comprised solely of dead and/or depowered mutants. Now's also the time to question inclusion/exclusion, etc.

Icarus is dead from what I hear, so is Wallflower. And Jazz, which is going to crush us all, I know. And (AXM spoilers) I think it's been confirmed that Negasonic Teenage Warhead was just a mental projection of Cassie Nova.

-D

[mattbib]

Thanks. Any more, anyone else?

Also, other than Living Monolith were there any characters that players overwhelmingly thought were too powerful last year?

[mattbib]

Any final feedback? The draft list is more or less done, but please let me know if any more of the above have been confirmed depowered or have died since M-Day. Also, if there are any other mutants not on the list who have been confirmed depowered or have died since M-Day, please list them.

[Jack Flash]

I think Radius has been confirmed not dead, but not sure if he's powered or not, so he might be on the right list anyway. Mondo is missing from your list, he hasn't been confirmed dead or depowered, just in limbo. Same with Flex as far as I know.

[The Fury]

I think Radius has been confirmed not dead, but not sure if he's powered or not, so he might be on the right list anyway. Mondo is missing from your list, he hasn't been confirmed dead or depowered, just in limbo. Same with Flex as far as I know.

Radius is confirmed alive but depowered. This was confirmed by his OHBook entry and New Avenger #(the one with all the images of depowered mutants). His name was amoungst them.


Right, Matt, I'm still wondering about Quicksilver, I'm guessing he is in-human now or at least no longer a mutant...right? So not part of the tournement.

Also, Jazz is dead. (not that anyone was going to pick him)

[mattbib]

Right, Matt, I'm still wondering about Quicksilver, I'm guessing he is in-human now or at least no longer a mutant...right?
I'm including re-powered former mutants, including Pietro, Lorna and Gazer.

But with their current powers.

[mattbib]

I think Radius has been confirmed not dead, but not sure if he's powered or not, so he might be on the right list anyway. Mondo is missing from your list, he hasn't been confirmed dead or depowered, just in limbo. Same with Flex as far as I know.
I'm not using anyone who's "in limbo".

Only if they're confirmed as part of the 198, confirmed de-powered, or confirmed as having died after M-Day.

[The Fury]

I'm including re-powered former mutants, including Pietro, Lorna and Gazer.

But with their current powers.

Okay fair enough.

Can we confirm that Polaris has magnetic powers? as she lost them and no one not even Brubaker has explained how she got them back or if they are magnetic. Before that the powers she got were to house deseases.

[The Lucky One]

I'm including re-powered former mutants, including Pietro, Lorna and Gazer.

But with their current powers.

Okay, technical question following up on that- if Quicksilver's allowed in with his current powers, is whoever gets him allowed to draft depowered mutants?

-D

[mattbib]

Okay, technical question following up on that- if Quicksilver's allowed in with his current powers, is whoever gets him allowed to draft depowered mutants?
Not in the sense that you mean, no.

:D

[Mitsaso]

That sounds great! Last year I missed it cuz I registered in these holy forums in February. How do I participate in the next one?:D

[mattbib]

That sounds great! Last year I missed it cuz I registered in these holy forums in February. How do I participate in the next one?:D
There are sixteen spots.

Registration for Mutant League 2007 will open on January 1 on a first-come, first-served basis. Anyone considering signing on should be aware of the time commitment (i.e. plan on having to submit a strategy a week for the next ten weeks). It's a big commitment. Some of you who aren't sure may want to consider teaming with another player.

[The Fury]

I hope everyone is going to participate and if not in the fight take the time to read strategies and vote.

My victory last year, while cool, seemed sad as we didn't even get as many votes as the first game did.

[TShark82]

I noticed on wikipedia Kraven was included on the X-Men 198 list, are you looking at adding him to the draft list.

[AceOfSpades]

So what time tomorrow does "registration" open? (EST preferred since I'm on the east coast:D )

[Zombienorthstar]

Could we also have the United Kingdom time equivalents...im so in on this.

[AceOfSpades]

Hey... is Wiccan considered a mutant? I'm not 100% up on Young Avengers info

[Zombienorthstar]

He is, though id imagine hed be outlawed under the same principle as 'Honey Lemon'...seeing as his power is near limitless.

[AceOfSpades]

He is, though id imagine hed be outlawed under the same principle as 'Honey Lemon'...seeing as his power is near limitless.

damn... thats too bad.. I love Wiccan

[Zombienorthstar]

damn... thats too bad.. I love Wiccan

Im sure he loves you back...

[AceOfSpades]

Im sure he loves you back...

don't think Teddy would be to happy about that

[caney]

Speed should also be a mutant. I still don't know if I like his code name...

Also, I don't think I have the time/knowledge to participate, but is the voting on the matches open to anybody?

[The Lucky One]

Also, I don't think I have the time/knowledge to participate, but is the voting on the matches open to anybody?

Voting is open to anyone and everyone. All that's asked is that you take the time to read each strategy and vote on which you actually think is best, rather than saying, "Dood, Wovlerine iz the baddest, so his team winz!!!!!1! lololol!"
;)

And if you take the time to comment in the thread about why you voted one way or the other, well that's just gravy.

-D