Mystery Woman in New Hellfire Club?

[Frank]

Who do think that is? Is there some clever device Whedon is pulling, or is it someone obvious in disguise.

[Mariah]

Who do think that is? Is there some clever device Whedon is pulling, or is it someone obvious in disguise.
Well, going from the last 2 arcs...i'm going for the latter, but i'm hoping for the former.

[Kal]

I don't think it's Jean; that would be stupid lol. I don't think it's a new character either; that would be boring(unless she/he is written well)

I think it's Selene.

[Frank]

I don't think it's Jean; that would be stupid lol. I don't think it's a new character either; that would be boring(unless she/he is written well)

I think it's Selene.

Selene? I didn`t thought of that. How did she get the new powers? The hooded woman seems to be able to predict things(a la Destiny).

[milly3cat]

I think it is Emma under the hood. Emma's evil side that is. :evilangry

[twilight]

Magneto?An ode to no one

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Um, why isnt Emma one of the options? I think its another facet of Emma's personality.

[Michael Painter]

I think its a revived Magik. Illyana is back and has it out for her brother, her best friend, and the team that couldn't save her.

[Faded]

Tarot!!!! :D

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I think it is Emma under the hood. Emma's evil side that is. :evilangry

That's what I've been saying all along. I'd be willing to put money on it.

[Chocolove]

Tarot!!!! :D

That'd be nice. I like what they did with her during X-Force's last run and there's nobody to complain about her lack of being dead 'cause most don't even know who the hell she is. I doubt she has the clout, though.

[Oracle]

Personally speaking, I think this is all happening in Emma's mind and that Frost is just going through a serious mental breakdown. With House of M, Xavier's disapearance, and the deaths and depowering of many of her students, Emma was bound to crack at some point. It was brought up in another thread that each member of the new Inner Circle represented Emma's envisionment of her failure.

Shaw - Emma's failure as a villain. When she first debuted, Jean put her in a mental institute and collapsed a building on top of her. Her attempts at stealing Storm's body, recruiting Kitty to her school, and the whole Firestar fiasco couldn't possibly have been very reassuring of her ability as a villainess.

Negasonic Teenage Warhead - Emma's failure as a teacher. On top of the death of her first Hellions at the hands of Trevor Fitzroy, we also have the casualties of her telepathy class from Genosha, Synch's death, the destruction of the academy at the hands of her sister, Esme's betrayal, and now, the depowering and death of Tag, amongst the other depowered students - as seen in New X-Men #24, Emma isn't taking this well. Plus, Emma kept strangely insisting Negasonic was still alive when she carried Ellie's body out of the cave and revealed her secondary mutation for the first time.

Cassandra Nova - Emma's failure as a hero. Not only was she unable to do anything when Cassie nuked Genosha, she was also duped into killing Cassandra's body after Xavier's mind had been switched into it.

Perfection - Emma's failure at being... Emma. Apart from the cloak, the one thing we've seen of Perfection's is the white opera glove Perfection wears, which is reminiscent of Emma's current costume. Perfection is very literally Emma's idea of what she should be, hence the name. Furthermore, who would know that Emma loves Scott more than Emma herself?

Another possibility suggests that Perfection is Jean in disguise. Besides Emma's pathological hatred towards Jean for their first encounter, Jean lived the life that Emma wished she could have had. The first X-Woman, married to Scott, a highly successful headmistress, and loved by everyone around her - why wouldn't Emma be jealous? Anyhow, it explains the last page of Astonishing #13 pretty well..

Various little inconsistencies also point to this being all part of Emma's massive breakdown.
- Ernst's appearance in New X-Men, during the battle royale. Granted, Cassie may be switching in and out of disguises, but hey, bear with me.
- Why wouldn't Cassandra Nova know of Emma's love towards Scott if she were such a powerful telepath?
- How would the Inner Circle manage to sneak into the school and why hasn't anyone noticed them?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Good arguament, Oracle. Well thought through. Each member is practically an avatar for areas of Emma's failings.

[Hawkingbird82]

Definitly in her head...

[Affinity]

Definitely delusional.

[milly3cat]

This poll has every thing listed except the two most popular answers

1) emma's mental breakdown
2) emma's face is under the hood. (old white queen costume)

[Madrox84]

I think Oracle has a very good argumant going there, funnily enough i raised the same or very similar points when me and one of my friends were talking about AXM 13...

I wouldn't be surprised by a revelation to that affect...

[Novaya Havoc]

Lila Cheney. LILA CHENEY! She's British!

[FieryBalrog]

Definitely delusional.

But everyone thinks she's delusional, which must mean its what Whedon WANTS us to think, which means she's not delusional! Aha!

[subliminal]

I think after the deaths of most of her students and the recent deaths in New X-Men... a part of Emma's psyche is unleashed as pure fury, creating psychic manifestations which are represented by a new version of the Hellfire Club... and they will eventually merge with Perfection and become a being called Onslut which will shag all the X-Men

[Steven F.]

None of the options listed....it is Emma under the hood, and it is all in her head.

[Wagner Time]

Lila Cheney. LILA CHENEY! She's British!

Is she?

I didn't know that.

What's that got to do with anything? :confused:

[Kal]

But everyone thinks she's delusional, which must mean its what Whedon WANTS us to think, which means she's not delusional! Aha!

Exactly. I seriously hope that Whedon wants us to think this is all in Emma's mind(since that is the more logical explanation) so he can suprise us with something truly shocking. This whole "Emma is nuts" theory would be so disappointing if it ended up being true.

[streator]

a new character, if anyone.

[Mariah]

I think after the deaths of most of her students and the recent deaths in New X-Men... a part of Emma's psyche is unleashed as pure fury, creating psychic manifestations which are represented by a new version of the Hellfire Club... and they will eventually merge with Perfection and become a being called Onslut which will shag all the X-Men
I'm prone to agree...

and this is directed to Novaya hovac...love the avatar. I just came into possession of the entire run, plus the graphic novel.. The beauty and the beast mini is on the way.

[Gaveedra 6]

Onslut!!!!! Hahahahhaha...

Tarot is probably too obscure for Astonishing readers to appreciate, but she did have the ability to manifest creatures out of thin air - so it wouldn't be a big stretch to have Taro manifesting Shaw, Cassie and NTW in order to get at Emma.

I doubt it will be Tarot under the cloak. But if it is Whedon will get alot of fanboy points from me.

I bet that this new HFC is only real in Emma's mind, but "Emma's gone nuts" would be too easy. She's being played. Who's powerfull enough to make a puppet out of Emma Frost?? :evilsmile

[DDM]

Onslut!!!!! Hahahahhaha...

Tarot is probably too obscure for Astonishing readers to appreciate, but she did have the ability to manifest creatures out of thin air - so it wouldn't be a big stretch to have Taro manifesting Shaw, Cassie and NTW in order to get at Emma.

I doubt it will be Tarot under the cloak. But if it is Whedon will get alot of fanboy points from me.

I bet that this new HFC is only real in Emma's mind, but "Emma's gone nuts" would be too easy. She's being played. Who's powerfull enough to make a puppet out of Emma Frost?? :evilsmile

Lady Mastermind has natural telepathy to make her illusions real; she combines these two powers to work together to torment her victims. But I doubt Whedon is using Lady Mastermind since she is a relatively new character.

Perfection is not what she seems.

[Gaveedra 6]

Lady Mastermind has natural telepathy to make her illusions real; she combines these two powers to work together to torment her victims. But I doubt Whedon is using Lady Mastermind since she is a relatively new character.

Perfection is not what she seems.
Lady Mastermind is another one I'd considered. Especially since her father was afilliated with the HFC, and he wore a cloak. One of the 2 Lady Mastermind sisters was obsessed with her father's life as a criminal and wanted to emulate it, but I believe she was depowered. Was the remaining sister similarly obsessed?

[DDM]

Lady Mastermind is another one I'd considered. Especially since her father was afilliated with the HFC, and he wore a cloak. One of the 2 Lady Mastermind sisters was obsessed with her father's life as a criminal and wanted to emulate it, but I believe she was depowered. Was the remaining sister similarly obsessed?

Lady Mastermind was Sebastian Shaw's personal assistant, although she has telepathy enhanced illusions, she was not obsessed with her father. Lady Mastermind was not depowered.

[Gaveedra 6]

Lady Mastermind was Sebastian Shaw's personal assistant, although she has telepathy enhanced illusions, she was not obsessed with her father. Lady Mastermind was not depowered.
Was this in the recent Chasing Hellfire Cleremont story? That wasn't the same Lady Mastermind as in the X-Corps story, correct? That one was definitely obsessed with her father.

[DDM]

Was this in the recent Chasing Hellfire Cleremont story? That wasn't the same Lady Mastermind as in the X-Corps story, correct? That one was definitely obsessed with her father.

I'm talking about Lady Mastermind--who first appears in X-Treme X-Men #5-9--tries to use her illusions to convince Sage to come back to Sebastian Shaw. She fails. Regan Wyngarde, Lady Mastermind, has blonde hair & is beautiful:

http://www.rayeye.nl/homepage%20plaatjes/ladymastermind-k.jpg


Mastermind II, Martinque Jason, was obsessed with her father:

http://www.rayeye.nl/homepage%20plaatjes/mastermind_lv-k.jpg

[darkchylde7]

Don't know ho, but I'm hoping for Selene, just 'cause I want to see how Whedon handles her. As for the predicting the future thing..She's a witch. How many stories are there of witchcraft and oracles and premonitions etc?

[Hi-Fi]

I'm talking about Lady Mastermind--who first appears in X-Treme X-Men #5-9--tries to use her illusions to convince Sage to come back to Sebastian Shaw. She fails. Regan Wyngarde, Lady Mastermind, has blonde hair & is beautiful:

http://www.rayeye.nl/homepage%20plaatjes/ladymastermind-k.jpg


Mastermind II, Martinque Jason, was obsessed with her father:

http://www.rayeye.nl/homepage%20plaatjes/mastermind_lv-k.jpg


Which one is depowered??

I prefer the brunette. Her crazy talk with Chamber gave me the creeps. :eek:

[DDM]

Which one is depowered??

I prefer the brunette. Her crazy talk with Chamber gave me the creeps. :eek:

Mastermind II is depowered. Lady Mastermind isn't depowered.

[DDM]

Don't know ho, but I'm hoping for Selene, just 'cause I want to see how Whedon handles her. As for the predicting the future thing..She's a witch. How many stories are there of witchcraft and oracles and premonitions etc?

Selene is a demon sorceress who is feared & highly regarded from practioners of both white & black magick. All of her sorcery is not known; however, she has never been shown any premotion ability.

[FieryBalrog]

Exactly. I seriously hope that Whedon wants us to think this is all in Emma's mind(since that is the more logical explanation) so he can suprise us with something truly shocking. This whole "Emma is nuts" theory would be so disappointing if it ended up being true.

Exactly. If it turned out to be just Emma going mental... how exactly is that interesting? :confused:

[Affinity]

Actually, I don't think that Whedon is trying to make it so obvious that it's in Emma's head as a possibility. It's not like the whole Jean returning thing that turned out to be Colossus---Cyclops actually said Jean and that fake art was released, too. This seems like it really is happening, but in the end, Perfection will be revealed to be Emma or something.

[Faded]

I wouldn't mind if it turned out to be predictable and this was a game of mazing through Emma's mind, as long as we get to search Emma's mind and soul through this. I like the thought of them representing figures of Emma's failures in different departments of her life.

And then hopefully through this soul searching, Emma and Scott will be no more.

[fishtaco]

All of those poll options don't make sense. I'm just hoping that Perfection is a figment of her imagination, used for story decompression until Whedon leaves the book...

[Nyssane]

Where was it confirmed that Mastermind II is depowered? Just because her name isn't on the 198 List doesn't mean she's not powered. ;)

And Martinique is far more beautiful than Regan. ^_~

[Nightcrawler]

It could be Jean, because of the last page of #13.

[Hi-Fi]

Where was it confirmed that Mastermind II is depowered? Just because her name isn't on the 198 List doesn't mean she's not powered. ;)

And Martinique is far more beautiful than Regan. ^_~

I love when people give me hope. Thank you, my friend. ;)

And Martinique has a cooler name too! Regan is such an Emma wannabe...

[Cosmic Flame]

Two more options: Madelyne Pryor or Emma's sister (the one with psychometry).

[fishtaco]

It's Obnoxio The Clown. End of story. Down with "Torn".

[Frank]

Great Thinking by Oracle, it could be a manifestation of Emma`s facets. Then again it could be that, mixed with something else entirely. Something could have provoced that to happen. But what?

My favorite ideas are Magik, Older Kitty, Destiny or Scarlet Witch. First because I miss Magik and she would make a badass villainess. An older Kitty would be damn fascinating. Joss has focused quite on Kitty since he began, I wouldn`t put it past him to put even more emphasis on the character. Think a Kitty from Day of Futur Past(or from a time line changed/altered by the X-Men) coming to the past knowing a lot of how things will happen. Destiny I know is supposed to be dead by I think it would a great use for her, it makes her relevant. As for Wanda, I think it would a good organic way to reintroduce her as long as the writer knowns what he`s doing.

[spEEdy]

its..Madelyne Pryor

[fireball87o]

it's lady mastermind. trust me


or the oracle theory...but i'm betting lady mastermind

[Beast]

Here's another thought. Cassie/Ernst doesn't seem to have Martha around with her anymore. So maybe Perfection could be Martha, now with a body. That is of course, if any of this is real and Emma's not just nustier than a bag of Squirrels. :D

[Hi-Fi]

Here's another thought. Cassie/Ernst doesn't seem to have Martha around with her anymore. So maybe Perfection could be Martha, now with a body. That is of course, if any of this is real and Emma's not just nustier than a bag of Squirrels. :D

And the body is Blindfold!! It's all making perfect sense now!! :eek:









;)








but...yeah...blindfold is the big bad.

[jadegiant77]

I think it would be funny as hell if Jean Grey came back as the Black Queen... :) That's who i voted for, although it is most likely a split personality of Emma's.

[fireball87o]

Here's another thought. Cassie/Ernst doesn't seem to have Martha around with her anymore. So maybe Perfection could be Martha, now with a body. That is of course, if any of this is real and Emma's not just nustier than a bag of Squirrels. :D

why would martha turn evil?


(ps. it's lady mastermind. i know it)

[Nyssane]

Why would Lady Mastermind be wearing a cloak?

[Doom Hammer]

Ooh, maybe it's a Phoenix-posessed Cuckoo, as hinted by the end of Endsong, screwing with Emma's head for revenge. That would explain why her presence at the X-mansion went uncontested.

That, or Emma's just out of her gourd.

[Volk1]

And the body is Blindfold!! It's all making perfect sense now!! :eek:
;)
but...yeah...blindfold is the big bad.

That would actually be cool. It would explain the true capabilities of her powers and actually give her a great bad-ass introduction into the mainstream X-Verse.

I tell you, some of these New Mutants that are just running around the X-Men are going to have some serious powers as they grow. The X-Men better think twice about who they're going to make X-Men and who they're just going to let sit, because they have some kids there right now who can become true badasses.

And too think they had more! :eek:

[fireball87o]

Why would Lady Mastermind be wearing a cloak?

er'body knows...cause that's how she rolls!

[Nyssane]

er'body knows...cause that's how she rolls!

Oh...okay. Well if we're going by your theory, then I say the woman is none other than...

THUMBELINA

[fireball87o]

Oh...okay. Well if we're going by your theory, then I say the woman is none other than...

THUMBELINA

mmm...food for thought!

[Frank]

Ooh, maybe it's a Phoenix-posessed Cuckoo, as hinted by the end of Endsong, screwing with Emma's head for revenge. That would explain why her presence at the X-mansion went uncontested.

Another solid possibility.

[X-Ray]

Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrring. Wake me up when the story is over and in TPB.

[Frank]

Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrring. Wake me up when the story is over and in TPB.

"Those that read for the trades are pussies"-Mark Millar

[Radical_dreamer]

its Emma herself. I mean come on do they have to write it on the cover?

[FieryBalrog]

its Emma herself. I mean come on do they have to write it on the cover?

I hope not. Too obvious.

[fireball87o]

wizard is leaving me to believe otherwise

lady reagan mastermind is rumored to return

[Nobbel]

Well you're all WRONG because it is: ORACLE of the Imperial Guard

[ibrakeforchinwe]

I had a dream and Perfection threw off her cloak and it was Emma from the 80s. Short hair and corset and everything.

Very cool dream.

[fishtaco]

"Those that read for the trades are pussies"-Mark MillarI wonder what Quesada thought about that statement.

[Mariah]

I wonder what Quesada thought about that statement.
I'd have to agree with his statement, on counter point, q needs to start bucking down on getting these slow pansies to start stepping up their game.