The New Avengers

[joeybdot]

I've been digging all the spolights around Spider-Woman, lately. I've been wondering about New Avengers. I have not read anything from marvel in the past 10-15 years except Daredevil. What I mean is , im 18 I only really read older Marvel stuff, by back issue/TPB.

I want to know if it's worth reading the New Avengers. Should I start from #1? Or can it be read from the last 4-5 issues to start off? and Do I need to have all this incredible backround info. on everyone to be able to undertand everything going on?

any feedback, would be amazing. thank you all in advance.

-joe

[nuclearman]

I've found NA to be a very enjoyable read and have enjoyed it since the first issue... I don't think they have the line-up mix quite right just yet but the book is well written well drawn ... I would start at issue #1 .. if money is no object. ;)

[EmmettHULK]

I've been digging all the spolights around Spider-Woman, lately. I've been wondering about New Avengers. I have not read anything from marvel in the past 10-15 years except Daredevil. What I mean is , im 18 I only really read older Marvel stuff, by back issue/TPB.

I want to know if it's worth reading the New Avengers. Should I start from #1? Or can it be read from the last 4-5 issues to start off? and Do I need to have all this incredible backround info. on everyone to be able to undertand everything going on?

any feedback, would be amazing. thank you all in advance.

-joe

It's an good book.
The first trade is out now ("Breakout") and it collects the first 6 issues.

[32Cage]

I've found NA to be a very enjoyable read and have enjoyed it since the first issue... I don't think they have the line-up mix quite right just yet but the book is well written well drawn ... I would start at issue #1 .. if money is no object. ;)


I agree. Reading it from issue one would give you an understanding for why the current members of the team are there.

[Red State Cap]

I've been digging all the spolights around Spider-Woman, lately. I've been wondering about New Avengers. I have not read anything from marvel in the past 10-15 years except Daredevil. What I mean is , im 18 I only really read older Marvel stuff, by back issue/TPB.
I want to know if it's worth reading the New Avengers. Should I start from #1? Or can it be read from the last 4-5 issues to start off? and Do I need to have all this incredible backround info. on everyone to be able to undertand everything going on?
any feedback, would be amazing. thank you all in advance.
-joe
You are in an enviable position if you want to read New Avengers, for the reason that you have the capability to read 15 straight issues, which might make it appear that a story is being told.
So little of consequence happens in each issue that reading the comic on a monthly basis is an exercise in frustration for a lot of people.
Here is a synopsis: Little story. Lots of artistic padding. Avengers not solving their own problems, and in fact not appearing in their own book in a couple of issues.
If this sounds to you like I'm slamming New Avengers, I am.

RSC

[Hombre]

Should I start from #1? Or can it be read from the last 4-5 issues to start off? and Do I need to have all this incredible backround info. on everyone to be able to undertand everything going on?


That's a good question. For starters, in order to have a clue as to why and wherefore Sentry is suddenly among the Avengers' ranks you need to get his mini. In order to make any sort of sense of the Breakout story, you'd have to read the Spider-Man: Breakout story, the Pulse, Secret War, the Holy Bible and even that might not suffice.

The Spider Woman series will shortly spin off from the New Avengers, but I don't know to what extent her subplot will carry on there or be explored in the mag.

I've been digging all the spolights around Spider-Woman, lately. I've been wondering about New Avengers. I have not read anything from marvel in the past 10-15 years except Daredevil. What I mean is , im 18 I only really read older Marvel stuff, by back issue/TPB.


Good boy.
You say you're current with DD. Some will disagree, but I think if you're satisfied with Bendis' Daredevil run you will like the New Avengers also.

[The Shadow]

You are in an enviable position if you want to read New Avengers, for the reason that you have the capability to read 15 straight issues, which might make it appear that a story is being told.
So little of consequence happens in each issue that reading the comic on a monthly basis is an exercise in frustration for a lot of people.
Here is a synopsis: Little story. Lots of artistic padding. Avengers not solving their own problems, and in fact not appearing in their own book in a couple of issues.
If this sounds to you like I'm slamming New Avengers, I am.

RSC
Take everything he said and reverse it and that's what I think. ;)

[Spiderchick1974]

joeybdot. New Avengers is a fantastic read, in my opinion.
Get the first two trades and enjoy the ride.

[BlackKnight]

Unfortuantly, NA is a very slow comic, where in 16 issue very little has happened besided finally getting the team together.

On top of this, the whole team has never worked together for a single issue, and the NA team has not solved a single problem on there own except for fighting some ninjas.

In fact in the last issue, the team never even appeared.
Try it if you want, but I would suggest you not bother.

[Harlock]

The first two trades are alreay out. Pick them up, give them a spin. If you like it, great, you can decide if it is worth the money and effort to get them in comic form from number one to have a complete run or not. I enjoy the New Avengers myself, but I know the team will shake out some.

I expect die-hard Spidey fans to get their wish and Spiderman and Cap will fall out in Civil War and Spidey will choose to stay a reserve member. I expect Daredevil to solve his problems in Civil War and join the team shortly after that. I also hope against hope that Wolverine leaves the team, but that's just me and my 20+ years of WOlverine overexposure talking.

[Giant Guy]

I like it. I think if you like Bendis on Daredevil than you will really like the New Avengers. Start with issue 1 or the first TPB and move on from there. It is good and fun especially the luke Cage/Spider-man moments. You do not need to read the offshoot mini-series like Sentry or Spider-Man: Breakout to follow the actual New Avengers series, but like alcohol they enhance a good time.

Cheers!

[BlackKnight]

I have noticed a lot of people saying that if you like DD you will like NA. I really don't see that comparision since DD is a crime nior book that Bendis is very good at writing, and the other is supposed to be a action/adventure super-hero team book, that bendis seems to fall short on a lot. He seems to try and write it like DD, but NA is not a crime nior book.
So I am of a different opinion on this, if you like DD, you will not like NA.

[Will.S]

I would recommend just waiting for the oversized hardcover myself since you'll have 3 story arcs in one package (Breakout, The Sentry, Ronin) plus some good extras for sure.

New Avengers is awesome in my opinion. It's essentially a brand new team with new types of rogues as well as a different variety from your standard Avengers villains. There's also lots of great characterization and interplay between the characters, well realized and kickass action, amazing art and the book is pretty much almost the most important book with regards to the spin-offs and events. And don't let what some people say about the New Avengers not solving their own problems fool you because that is falsification of what really happens, read it for yourself.

[BlackKnight]

I would recommend just waiting for the oversized hardcover myself since you'll have 3 story arcs in one package (Breakout, The Sentry, Ronin) plus some good extras for sure.

New Avengers is awesome in my opinion. It's essentially a brand new team with new types of rogues as well as a different variety from your standard Avengers villains. There's also lots of great characterization and interplay between the characters, well realized and kickass action, amazing art and the book is pretty much almost the most important book with regards to the spin-offs and events. And don't let what some people say about the New Avengers not solving their own problems fool you because that is falsification of what really happens, read it for yourself.

Will,
I have not said that anything that you or others have said in this thread are false although I believe they are, so I would kindly ask that you give me that respect as well and state your opinions as opinions not facts.
Thank you

[Will.S]

Will,
I have not said that anything that you or others have said in this thread are false although I believe they are, so I would kindly ask that you give me that respect as well and state your opinions as opinions not facts.
Thank you
I don't really mind when you say you dislike the book for whatever reasons you gave but I just had to single out one part of your opinion that just wasn't true here's why (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=2748320&postcount=27).

The popular belief that the New Avengers don't solve anything on their own is a gross simplification of what actually happens in the book.

[Spiderchick1974]

Will,
I have not said that anything that you or others have said in this thread are false although I believe they are, so I would kindly ask that you give me that respect as well and state your opinions as opinions not facts.
Thank you

That happens when you willingly derail a thread.

The original poster wanted our opinions as to why he should read the book.
Why not state them ("I love it, it's good" or "I hate it, it's bad") without challenging or questioning others' opinions?

[Will.S]

That happens when you willingly derail a thread.

The original poster wanted our opinions as to why he should read the book.
Why not state them ("I love it, it's good" or "I hate it, it's bad") without challenging or questioning others' opinions?
In the end, it's all feedback.

[Huh?]

I have been reading it since the beginning, and I have to say that I am disappointed with it of late. I plan to read this new arc until the end and then decide whether to drop it or not.

In addition to a general lack of interest in a lot of superhero stuff recently, I just think the story has settled down to much. I liked the first arc a lot and since then there has been less and less going on to keep me interested. The Ultimates has been better, so do I really need to read 2 avengers books?

[I-M-F]

I've been with the New Avengers since the begining, si ply because the Avengers were the first Superhero comic I read in Black & White here in the Uk in 1973 (Now try gusess my age).

I loved the first Story arc. Thought the second story arc sucked big time, as I see Sentry as a total waste of space and is a lame character. Ronin I enjoyed as well as the two part Spider-Woman story.

I'm in for "The Collective" storyline, but am not sure of "Civil War" as I tend to hate these sort of Stories that try and force everyone to read every part of story so that it makes sense.

I'm not sure if Deodato's art is best suited for NA, as his work on Spider-man was so so and his work hasn't been really any good since his WW work.

Art plays a major choice in reading a comic as it is the art that must keep your attention on the book for you to read the word ballons.

Give the NA to Salvador Larroca. He could work wonders on the book and would easily make it work whil buying it each month

[Kirk G]

I've been with the New Avengers since the begining, si ply because the Avengers were the first Superhero comic I read in Black & White here in the Uk in 1973 (Now try gusess my age).

I loved the first Story arc. Thought the second story arc sucked big time, as I see Sentry as a total waste of space and is a lame character. Ronin I enjoyed as well as the two part Spider-Woman story.

I'm in for "The Collective" storyline, but am not sure of "Civil War" as I tend to hate these sort of Stories that try and force everyone to read every part of story so that it makes sense.

I'm not sure if Deodato's art is best suited for NA, as his work on Spider-man was so so and his work hasn't been really any good since his WW work.

Art plays a major choice in reading a comic as it is the art that must keep your attention on the book for you to read the word ballons.

Give the NA to Salvador Larroca. He could work wonders on the book and would easily make it work whil buying it each month

I would guess you are about 43, given your interest and when you started reading comics.

I was about 9 or 10 in 1965 when I started figuring out the Fantastic Four was coming out monthly, and they were on issue 55... I had just picked up about a dozen older Marvel books at the school carnival, and they included FF 18, 22, 25, 33, 36, 39, 44-50.... including the original Galactus trilogy! ( I was hooked!)

[BlackKnight]

That happens when you willingly derail a thread.

The original poster wanted our opinions as to why he should read the book.
Why not state them ("I love it, it's good" or "I hate it, it's bad") without challenging or questioning others' opinions?

I think you really need to reread, I gave feedback, I gave an opposing view. I however never said that anyones opinions where false.

I personally think a little more explination then I love it, its good or I hate, its bad is needed.

Next time you think I am derailing a thread go look at the post I responding to and reread it.

[BlackKnight]

I don't really mind when you say you dislike the book for whatever reasons you gave but I just had to single out one part of your opinion that just wasn't true here's why (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=2748320&postcount=27).

The popular belief that the New Avengers don't solve anything on their own is a gross simplification of what actually happens in the book.

Will,
This is your opinion, just like mine is an opinion, neither are correct or wrong. However you are trying to say they are. No matter how much spin you put on what you say, it is just opinion.
You are welcome to it, but don't pass it off as a fact, that it simple isn't.

[Jake V]

I find it to be an enjoyable, fun book. There is a trade thats out of the first 6 issues, it's called "breakout" and you should be able to find it at most comic book and regular book stores.

Try to avoid getting the hardcovers, it's like 5 extra dollars for the exact same content as the softcover.

The Sentry arc might not make a whole lot of sense if you've never read the original Sentry miniseries, but if you've got an extra 25 bucks, that's a good read too.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I haven't really kept up with the book at all. Too much Wolverine overhype for my blood but when does New Avengers #20 come out?

[Jake V]

I haven't really kept up with the book at all. Too much Wolverine overhype for my blood but when does New Avengers #20 come out?
June, I think.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

So it appears. Just saw the June solits and it's right there. Can't wait.

[Jake V]

So it appears. Just saw the June solits and it's right there. Can't wait.
Don't get your hopes up. The cover could be really misleading.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I know. I saw the ghosts of House of M part and that sounds really fishy.

[RandomRapidResponse]

Joeybdot, I would definately say dive on in.....I would consider my position similar to yours, in that I just got on board about 2 months ago. As such, and as others here have suggested, I had the benefit of picking up all that had previously transpired in one swoop. That most definately helped. I also didn't have any baggage issues relating to the Avengers, b/c I had never really checked them out before. So I am in......that being said, I can see the validity in some of the complaints....but check out a few and judge for yourself. ;)

[Will.S]

I know. I saw the ghosts of House of M part and that sounds really fishy.
Yeah, they'll probably just end up talking things out.

[Tony Starkz]

Okay,I'm with BK on this one

What is up with people saying you will love NA if you love DD?That is completely wrong.

I love DD,it's one of my fav comics from Marvel and have read the majority of Bendis' run.It's truly remarkable stuff and definitely comic gold in my books.

NA on the other hand,has been on and off for me.I picked up the Sentry and Ronin arcs.Sentry was pretty good,especially with the McNiven art.Ronin could have been done in 2 issues.The Spider-Woman arc was *yawn* at best,and the last issue completely wasted McNiven's potential.

This Dissassembled arc coming could be the best thing to happen to NA.

In my opinion,people who love DD will not automatically love NA by any circumstances.

[Will.S]

Okay,I'm with BK on this one

What is up with people saying you will love NA if you love DD?That is completely wrong.

I love DD,it's one of my fav comics from Marvel and have read the majority of Bendis' run.It's truly remarkable stuff and definitely comic gold in my books.

NA on the other hand,has been on and off for me.I picked up the Sentry and Ronin arcs.Sentry was pretty good,especially with the McNiven art.Ronin could have been done in 2 issues.The Spider-Woman arc was *yawn* at best,and the last issue completely wasted McNiven's potential.

This Dissassembled arc coming could be the best thing to happen to NA.

In my opinion,people who love DD will not automatically love NA by any circumstances.
I'm guessing that they are recommending Bendis's more "talking heads" writing style applied to the superhero'y Avengers dynamic. The recommendation doesn't really transfer as well as saying "if you liked Alias you'll like DD" but I also understand it if people are recommending Bendis's more experimental/character driven style of New Avengers stories.

[I-M-F]

I tried Bendis DD for the Black Widow Issue story around #60 and than the Murdock papers storyline, and neither made me really want to continue buying the comic.

To me Bendis is over rated at times and is being used to try and re-invent characters.

[I-M-F]

I would guess you are about 43, given your interest and when you started reading comics.


Hey that was close. I'm actually 41. :eek:

[Hombre]

I'm not sure if Deodato's art is best suited for NA, as his work on Spider-man was so so and his work hasn't been really any good since his WW work.



At Marvel, his art really shone on the Hulk, he really seemed to come into his own.

I wonder if I'm the only one to see a difference with what he did on Spider Man and if Joe Pimentel is the most appropriate inker for him.

[Giant Guy]

I'm guessing that they are recommending Bendis's more "talking heads" writing style applied to the superhero'y Avengers dynamic. The recommendation doesn't really transfer as well as saying "if you liked Alias you'll like DD" but I also understand it if people are recommending Bendis's more experimental/character driven style of New Avengers stories.

Yep this is what I meant when saying that if you like DD you will like New Avengers. Bendis has his slow pacing and if you can stand it and really enjoy the books than anything he does i think you will like. Crime stories vs. Big Action stories is the main difference between NA and DD. I think both are excellent.

The best thing I can say about New Avengers is that every time it comes out it is the first book I read. I just can't wait to see what happens and I am always sad when it ends. The only issue I have not loved was the most recent issue with the Collective Storyline kick off. But since it was mainly all set up I understand why it was so weak. I just thought it was lame to have so many useless splash pages which I think was done because McNiven is really slow and these were gimme pages for him so the book would not be 8 months late.

[I-M-F]

At Marvel, his art really shone on the Hulk, he really seemed to come into his own.

I wonder if I'm the only one to see a difference with what he did on Spider Man and if Joe Pimentel is the most appropriate inker for him.

A good inker does help, but deodato has a long way to go to win me over again.
His current style is much like his ealier work that was printed "Caliber", like Fallout 3000 & Ramthar

[Nick MB]

Yep this is what I meant when saying that if you like DD you will like New Avengers. Bendis has his slow pacing and if you can stand it and really enjoy the books than anything he does i think you will like. Crime stories vs. Big Action stories is the main difference between NA and DD. I think both are excellent.

The best thing I can say about New Avengers is that every time it comes out it is the first book I read. I just can't wait to see what happens and I am always sad when it ends. The only issue I have not loved was the most recent issue with the Collective Storyline kick off. But since it was mainly all set up I understand why it was so weak. I just thought it was lame to have so many useless splash pages which I think was done because McNiven is really slow and these were gimme pages for him so the book would not be 8 months late.

I don't think McNiven's slow... his Sentry arc was the one that got the series back on schedule after David Finch's less stellar speed derailed it...

[Giant Guy]

I don't think McNiven's slow... his Sentry arc was the one that got the series back on schedule after David Finch's less stellar speed derailed it...

McNiven had a huge lead time for the Sentry arc which is why it got back on track. McNiven killed Ultimate Secret with his lateness so they replaced him. I like the art but he takes his sweet time about it. Finch though is even slower.

[I-M-F]

McNiven had a huge lead time for the Sentry arc which is why it got back on track. McNiven killed Ultimate Secret with his lateness so they replaced him. I like the art but he takes his sweet time about it. Finch though is even slower.

Finch is slow alright.

I seem to remember he started two series at Image and dropped away by the 3rd or 4th issue.

Is any title really safe with an artist that is slow?

[maniacmatt]

The only issue I have not liked was #16. Other than that NA is awesome.

[Big Slick]

I just got into NA also & am through #14. I really like it.

[Tony Starkz]

14,15,and 16 were the worst NA issues yet.Sentry and Ronin (7-13) was the book at it's high point.But hey,it's still early.

[lonesomefool]

I loved, LOVED Alias and Daredevil from Bendis.


His New Avengers is one of the most boring books on the stands. The problem with Bendis is that he just doesnt seem to be able to write team books very well to be honest. Bendis' dialogue between characters can be a little too similar so the characters voices sometimes mesh, and overall the pacing is just really slow at times, #16 wasted 9 pages of story on splash pages. Toss in the fact Bendis still cant write good action scenes I would say pass. It's not that it's so much as bad, as much as their is better stuff being published.

[Mick Martin]

I bought the Marvel Must Haves issues with the first three or four New Avengers installments, was prepared to hate it, and actually dug it a lot.

But, I have to say that after those first couple of issues the appeal, for me, really wore off. It seemed like these New Avengers were new only in their line-up, but that there was nothing particularly new about the team itself (which was something Bendis, I thought, had been hinting at). I don't know, I guess that I felt that a team made up of people like Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Luke Cage should have a different way of handling things than just charging en masse and yelling "Avengers Assemble!" but that's exactly what Benids had them doing (at least in that first storyline). I guess I had a picture in my head of a team whose members were able to act with more independence (which, I thought, was the whole point of getting this particular team together other than the obvious sales boost) and that isn't what I got.

Regardless, I would say that trades are definitely the way to go, if you end up buying them. Bendis works for me sometimes, other times he doesn't, but I couldn't bear to read his comics in a monthly floppy format, because good or bad it's just too damn slow.

[lonesomefool]

Yeah, trades are the way to go with Bendis books, reading his work monthly just doesnt do it justice.

[NickThompson]

I love it :)

[Dark Soul # 7]

I´ve just stopped caring about the New Avengers book.