Creators you DON'T want to team-up...

[west3man]

Brian Michael Bendis and David Finch (the artist who drew Avengers Disassembled and possibly the latest Moon Knight cover (http://comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=previews/marvelcomics/moonknight/20060307/MOONKN001003s_col.jpg)s).

I just don't think these two creators' styles complement each other.

This isn't just a chance to gripe about Bendis's dialogue, either. I happen to enjoy some of his work. I also dig some of David Finch's art - especially the Moon Knight stuff I've seen, lately.

But the whining, damn-near static story progression that results from their collaborations is too much for me. David Finch's characters look pitiful and stiff as HELL and Bendis' words make them seem even MORE lost and torn... even when they not supposed to be.

Just my opinion. What's yours?

Name some creators you DON'T want to team-up and why.



EDIT: Thanks to TinMan for helping me fill in the blanks.

[TinMan]

Brian Michael Bendis and __________ (the artist who drew Avengers Disassembled and possibly the latest Moon Knight cover (http://comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=previews/marvelcomics/moonknight/20060307/MOONKN001003s_col.jpg)s; I'll fill in the blank soon).

I just don't think these two creators' styles complement each other.

This isn't just a chance to gripe about Bendis's dialogue, either. I happen to enjoy some of his work. I also dig some of _______'s art - especially the Moon Knight stuff I've seen, lately.

But the whining, damn-near static story progression that results from their collaborations is too much for me. ________'s characters look pitiful and stiff as HELL and Bendis' words make them seem even MORE lost and torn... even when they not supposed to be.

Just my opinion. What's yours?

Name some creators you DON'T want to team-up and why.



*looks for artist's name*

That would be David Finch.

I would NEVER want to see Chris Bachalo working w/ Peter Milligan! I would probably have to commit suicide if that occured! Ok, maybe not necassarily, but if it was on an X-book, then I might consider it.

Edit: you should check out the 11 page preview for Moon Knight #1 that Marvel just released, I think Huston and Finch are gonna make a killer team on this new Moony series.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/MoonKnight/01/MoonKnight01.htm

[Michael P]

His name is Olivier Coipel.

As for me, I don't really think a Frank Miller/Frank Quitely collaboration would go down to well.

[Dos]

Loeb and Mad

[TinMan]

His name is Olivier Coipel.

As for me, I don't really think a Frank Miller/Frank Quitely collaboration would go down to well.

I don't know if Coipel did any of Disassembled, but I know Finch did, and he's also penciling the new Moon Knight, which is what West also sited. I just linked to the preview above.

[Forefinger]

Loeb and Mad
This scares me. I have loved the first two Ultimates series, but I don't know if I'll pick up the 3rd.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I think when Chuck Austen and Rob Liefeld team up to do a comic, that will bring about the end of the world.

[Davideaux]

Cathy Guisewite and Frank Cho

I don't think he can write a non-buxom babe. Or else we'd see Cathy get frantic about the size of her breasts.

[Ryan Day]

I would NEVER want to see Chris Bachalo working w/ Peter Milligan! I would probably have to commit suicide if that occured! Ok, maybe not necassarily, but if it was on an X-book, then I might consider it.



They already did, and produced one of the best books of the last 15 or 20 years.

[Forefinger]

Jim Balent and Frank Cho......I might get carpel tunnel syndrome.

[TinMan]

They already did, and produced one of the best books of the last 15 or 20 years.

Oh good lord! I'm glad I've never seen it, nor heard of it.

[Dos]

I want Busiek and Immonen to team back up... they rocked

A team I never want to see is Hitch with a bad writer. I would hate hate hate to see him wasted on some promotional stunt with a crappy writer. Goes for Maleev too.

[JeffreyWKramer]

They already did, and produced one of the best books of the last 15 or 20 years.

Yup, the first couple years of SHADE THE CHANGING MAN (the old Vertigo series). Great stuff.

Then something went wrong with Bachalo's drawing. Sometimes I wonder if he had a stroke or something. His layouts are often indecipherable now, and his storytelling flows about as well as a shallow stream full of Silly Putty and bricks. Milligan's writing has also been hit-and-miss, but that's a consistent thing - for every SHADE or X-FACTOR, there are a couple really crappy books.

I don't think I've ever seen an uglier, more indecipherable book than that Ultimates/Ultimate X-Men crossover book Bachalo drew.

[west3man]

I don't think I've ever seen an uglier, more indecipherable book than that Ultimates/Ultimate X-Men crossover book Bachalo drew.Sadly, that's just the way I felt when that came out. I was SO disappointed when this story that I'd looked forward to so, appeared as a 2-dimensional, 4-color mess.

[Kid Omega]

Chris Claremont and George Perez would be such an affront to the senses on every level, I might have an anuerysm.

Reggie Hudlin has such a poor grasp of characterization, and Michael turner has such a poor grasp of drawing humans and human emotion, I can only imagine the strange blank pod people that might ocur if they teamed up. It would be such an emotionless muddle of misdirected characterizations.... like watching heroin addicts performing Brecht.

Many of my worst fears have already been realized, visa vis writer/artist team-ups.... I mistrust comic writers who don't draw to begin with, so I'm a bad guage for this.

-a

[Forefinger]

Sadly, that's just the way I felt when that came out. I was SO disappointed when this story that I'd looked forward to so, appeared as a 2-dimensional, 4-color mess.
I was let down by this series as well. Bachalo has chased me away from a number of books in the past.

[Joe Rice]

I think these fall into three main categories. There's the "good at what they do but please don't put them together," variety. Say, Busiek and Mahfood. That would not make a good comic.

There's the "waste" category. Like "don't waste Brian Vaughn on a book drawn by Mark Bagley."

And there's the "two bad tastes taste worse together," ala Geoff Johns and Ed Benes teaming up.

[Nate C.]

Brian M. Bendis with Bill Sckienkiwitz.

Come on, you know I'm right.

[Forefinger]

Brian M. Bendis with Bill Sckienkiwitz.

Come on, you know I'm right.
I'm with you, but then again, I hate Sckienkiwitz's art.

[Tadhg Adams]

Brian M. Bendis with Bill Sckienkiwitz.

Come on, you know I'm right.

I liked the Ultimate Marvel Team-Up they did.

[Nate C.]

I'm with you, but then again, I hate Sckienkiwitz's art.


LOL, well, and I chose because I hate Bendis' writing.

Bill's brilliant.

[Nate C.]

I liked the Ultimate Marvel Team-Up they did.

uh-uh. What was the issue and volume #? I was just being silly.

[Nate C.]

I liked the Ultimate Marvel Team-Up they did.

uh-uh. What was the issue and volume #? I was just being silly.

[Tadhg Adams]

uh-uh. What was the issue and volume #? I was just being silly.

It was Ultimate Marvel Team up 6-8. Spider-man, Punisher, and Daredevil.

[Donald M.]

I think when Chuck Austen and Rob Liefeld team up to do a comic, that will bring about the end of the world.

Thanks for stealing my joke, buttface

Seriously though, just thinking about the utter horrors that could wrought upon the medium by such a pairing is enough to brown my BVDs.

[Nate C.]

It was Ultimate Marvel Team up 6-8. Spider-man, Punisher, and Daredevil.

Thanks, Tadhg. I'll look into those.

[Gaz]

Thanks, Tadhg. I'll look into those.
It'll be difficult. Those issues never made it to trade.

[JeffreyWKramer]

It'll be difficult. Those issues never made it to trade.

Weren't they collected in the ULTIMATE MTU hardcover? Seems they were in that one when I looked at it at Borders awhile back.

[borateen]

Sadly, that's just the way I felt when that came out. I was SO disappointed when this story that I'd looked forward to so, appeared as a 2-dimensional, 4-color mess.

I was more pissed off by the fact that you had to buy a different comic to get an ending to it. That was just wrong.

[borateen]

Weren't they collected in the ULTIMATE MTU hardcover? Seems they were in that one when I looked at it at Borders awhile back.

Yeah, they were in the HC...but they skipped issues 7 and 8 for the TPBs? What was the rationale behind that?

[west3man]

I was more pissed off by the fact that you had to buy a different comic to get an ending to it. That was just wrong.
I think it was included in an Ult. X-Men hardcover, so I'm not sure. I haven't looked at those issues in quite some time, if I even still own'em.

[borateen]

It'll be difficult. Those issues never made it to trade.

But they should be pretty easy (and affordable) as back issues. Trades aren't the only way to read past comics.

[borateen]

I think it was included in an Ult. X-Men hardcover, so I'm not sure. I haven't looked at those issues in quite some time, if I even still own'em.

Yeah, it was in one of the UXM HCs, and was also in TPB as one of the UXM volumes. It technically didn't warrant it's own collection, I guess.

[JeffreyWKramer]

But they should be pretty easy (and affordable) as back issues. Trades aren't the only way to read past comics.

I'm told some of the ULTIMATE MTU issues are pretty hard to find, as that book was somewhat under-printed. I haven't been interested enough to look, myself.

[Forefinger]

LOL, well, and I chose because I hate Bendis' writing.

Bill's brilliant.
I like Bendis' style on many of his books. I don't read every single thing that he writes, so I'm not suffering from any Bendis-burnout like many people who read his books. I've been with Powers since it's beginning at Image, and I think that his run on DD was one of the best.

I just don't dig Bill's style. He ruined Grahm Nolan's great pencils on a number of Detective Comics issues with his horrible inks and his penciling just looks like scribbles to me.

[borateen]

I like Bendis' style on many of his books. I don't read every single thing that he writes, so I'm not suffering from any Bendis-burnout like many people who read his books. I've been with Powers since it's beginning at Image, and I think that his run on DD was one of the best.

I just don't dig Bill's style. He ruined Grahm Nolan's great pencils on a number of Detective Comics issues with his horrible inks and his penciling just looks like scribbles to me.

I'll have to agree with both of these points. I'm a pretty big Bendis fan, but I've never like Sienkiewicz. I suffered through his New Mutants, which, like Forefinger said, looks like scribbles.

[Forefinger]

I'll have to agree with both of these points. I'm a pretty big Bendis fan, but I've never like Sienkiewicz. I suffered through his New Mutants, which, like Forefinger said, looks like scribbles.
Sienkiewicz was one of the main reasons that I never picked up New Mutants. Although, I did start collecting it during the Leifield era...what can I say? I was a teenage comic fan in the early 90's.

[tricksterpup]

I think when Chuck Austen and Rob Liefeld team up to do a comic, that will bring about the end of the world.
I agree, if you reread revelations, it does make mention of this.

[TinMan]

Oh, I'm also going to add Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely. Morrison can be a great writer, but Quitely's work is just wierd lookin.

[tricksterpup]

Thanks for stealing my joke, buttface

Seriously though, just thinking about the utter horrors that could wrought upon the medium by such a pairing is enough to brown my BVDs.
You know besides that it would really Crack the Internet. Imagine the company that would print that comic. All the hate mail that they would get, and the bad press on the internet even if it was better than Watchmen, it would still be the most hated comic in history.

[borateen]

Oh, I'm also going to add Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely. Morrison can be a great writer, but Quitely's work is just wierd lookin.

Double post.

[borateen]

Oh, I'm also going to add Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely. Morrison can be a great writer, but Quitely's work is just wierd lookin.

You know they're doing All Star Superman, right? And did New X-Men together for a bit?

[west3man]

You know they're doing All Star Superman, right? And did New X-Men together for a bit?
I'd like to see the ratio of Morrison (sp?) issues to Quitely issues from that run. Every time I looked up, there was another artist doing the guts, while Quitely handled the cover.

[TinMan]

You know they're doing All Star Superman, right? And did New X-Men together for a bit?

Yep... hence the reason I never want to see it.

[Tadhg Adams]

You know they're doing All Star Superman, right? And did New X-Men together for a bit?

And Flex Mentallo, Muscle man of mystery.

[Bright-Raven]

Kid Omega writes:

Chris Claremont and George Perez would be such an affront to the senses on every level, I might have an anuerysm.

*Hands you a copy of Uncanny X-Men Annual #3 from 1980* Enjoy! :evilsmile

[Kid Omega]

Kid Omega writes:



*Hands you a copy of Uncanny X-Men Annual #3 from 1980* Enjoy! :evilsmile

Ahhhh, 1980. Before either one of them had landed fully in their Overwritten/Over-rendered phases....

good times....

-a

[Sanagi]

Frank Miller and Bill Keane.

[StoneGold]

Mark Gruenwald and Jack Kirby.



Nothing worse than books by fucking zombies.

[borateen]

Mark Gruenwald and Jack Kirby.



Nothing worse than books by fucking zombies.

I think it would be a bit harder for Gruenwald to come back as a zombie...y'know, with him being cremated and mixed with the Squadron Supreme TPB ink and all.

[west3man]

I think it would be a bit harder for Gruenwald to come back as a zombie...y'know, with him being cremated and mixed with the Squadron Supreme TPB ink and all.I forgot all about that.
That's one for the Geek Files, for sure.

[borateen]

I forgot all about that.
That's one for the Geek Files, for sure.

My boss went to high school with Gruenwald, so for Christmas a couple of years ago I tracked down a first printing of the TPB for him. It creeps people out when he tells them about it, but he really likes it.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Ahhhh, 1980. Before either one of them had landed fully in their Overwritten/Over-rendered phases....

Claremont wasn't overwritten by 1980? You've never read his run on IRON FIST, have you? There are times where the internal monologues seem like a trial run for his later-period X-MEN thought-balloon-fests, and his captions were Like A Thing Onto Wankery.

I loved the book despite such anything-but-subtle writing.

[Spackling Compound]

Claremont wasn't overwritten by 1980? You've never read his run on IRON FIST, have you? There are times where the internal monologues seem like a trial run for his later-period X-MEN thought-balloon-fests, and his captions were Like A Thing Onto Wankery.

I loved the book despite such anything-but-subtle writing.
I remember that title in the Claremont days (I was ...10? 11?) but it was then that I decided not to read captions...until Alan Moore showed up with Swamp Thing.

And...not too worried about writers and artist combos but I always hated Vince Colleta's inks but especially on Kirby's pencils in the late 70's. Ruination and unsightly.

[Nate C.]

Frank Miller and Bill Keane.

Brilliant. I would buy that whether Miller was following Keane's scripts, or vice versa.

Miller Scripts, Keane arts- Think DKR, one of the dramatic one page scenes.

Keane Scripts, Miller arts- Thinks one of the funny little dotted line where has PJ been all morning stories with Miller blacks and white.

"Where have you been today, Marv? Up to no good?"

Marv shrugs and grins in his best little boy expression.

[west3man]

I remember that title in the Claremont days (I was ...10? 11?) but it was then that I decided not to read captions...until Alan Moore showed up with Swamp Thing.

And...not too worried about writers and artist combos but I always hated Vince Colleta's inks but especially on Kirby's pencils in the late 70's. Ruination and unsightly.
It's kinda funny that you say that about captions.
It occurs to me that *I've* done something similar from time-to-time - particularly with certain creators. However, I STILL feel like I'm cheating somehow. Sounds, I know.

I feel... kinda bad, when I skip chunks (especially larger chunks) of content, for whatever reason. I think I feel like I'm not reading it as the creator intended or something, despite the fact that recapping the last ten issues isn't necessary for ME if I'd JUST finished reading them.

But, I'm weird like that.

[Spackling Compound]

It's kinda funny that you say that about captions.
It occurs to me that *I've* done something similar from time-to-time - particularly with certain creators. However, I STILL feel like I'm cheating somehow. Sounds, I know.

I feel... kinda bad, when I skip chunks (especially larger chunks) of content, for whatever reason. I think I feel like I'm not reading it as the creator intended or something, despite the fact that recapping the last ten issues isn't necessary for ME if I'd JUST finished reading them.

But, I'm weird like that.
Actually, I felt the same.
But the writing in those little bitty boxes got to be so tiresome and overdone that I gave up. I was just wanting to see something explode or drown or something.

But I did feel like I wasn't getting my money's worth!
"Gosh, I spent 35 cents on this and I'm not reading it all!" Ahh..those were the days.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Actually, I felt the same.
But the writing in those little bitty boxes got to be so tiresome and overdone that I gave up.

You can only read breathless captions about how Danny's Iron Fist was "... LIKE A THING ONTO IRON" so many times before you start to get nauseated. Unfortnately, that stupid catchphrase - which, with fairness, didn't originate with Claremont - followed the character into and through the run on POWER MAN/IRON FIST

[Spackling Compound]

You can only read breathless captions about how Danny's Iron Fist was "... LIKE A THING ONTO IRON" so many times before you start to get nauseated. Unfortnately, that stupid catchphrase - which, with fairness, didn't originate with Claremont - followed the character into and through the run on POWER MAN/IRON FIST

Also, that time period may have been when comics were "growing up". I remember trying to "get" Marvel's Captain Marvel but the captions about space and gods and sentient entities and geometry about wore me out.

I also think the writers of the time were maybe smoking a bit o' the weed too...

[west3man]

I don't think I'd wanna see Morrison (sp?) and Bagley work together, but a Bagley/Busiek team-up would be fine with me.

There have been a few writers who teamed-up and kinda surprised me, but I can't think of any bad combinations, at the moment. As long as one of them was good I think we'd come out okay.

[Michael P]

Wonder if DC thought about this thread when they teamed up Winick and Churchill.

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

Steve Seagle & Tony Harris (the aforementioned "wasteful" category).

[Jack Book]

Chris Claremont and George Perez would be such an affront to the senses on every level, I might have an anuerysm.

Those guys would be perfect. I mean you're right the book would be terrible, but I can't think of two people who belong together like these guys.


Starlin and Byrne would be another of these perfect-yet horrible duos.

[Sabrinaset]

Alan Moore ... and Steve Ditko.

John Byrne ... and Phil Jiminez.

Chuck Austen ... and anyone else.

[Indigo Al]

Alan Moore ... and Steve Ditko.



I dread to ask.....but, why?

[Expletive Deleted]

I dread to ask.....but, why?The clash of philosophies would be . . . epic.

[Indigo Al]

The clash of philosophies would be . . . epic.

Don't you wanna see what happens when you cross an Objectivist with an Anarchist?

[Forefinger]

I feel all ripped off. I was thinking that west3man came back while I was banned......

[stealthwise]

AJ Lieberman and Paul Gulacy

[Alex]

Grant morrison during an experimental phase and ashley wood.