Fun With Political Correctness

[J Dog]

Political Correctness, IHO, is the dumbest thing you can think of. Here's the guidelines to it:


You don't offend people with it.
It has to be morphed so it just mentions what it APPEARS to be.
It winds up showing a bland indifference.


In other words; it's the same thing as censorship.

Here's several examples:


"Juvenine Delinquents" become "Children at Risk"
"Backward imbicile" (a bad word to became with) became "Mentally Retarded" (an even worse word, to show how bad PC is), which in turn, created "mentally challenged", and became "mentally different"
"Fat" became "Obese", then "
"Hobos" become "Homeless"
"Eggheads" become "Geniuses"


To me, PC says that everyone is suspectible to feelings being broken and it's better not to break ANY feelings.

The point of this thread is to show how stupid one looks when using PC. Allow me to start:

"There are 4 Red jellybeans in the bowl".

With PC, it becomes:

"There are 4 Reddish-colored jel-filled beans in the storage dish"

Okay, that was stupid. But that is my point.

[Charles RB]

"Fat" became "Obese"

Since when did it become non-offensive to tell someone they're obese?

"Hobos" become "Homeless"

...calling homeless people homeless shows a bland indifference? Hell, calling homeless people homeless is being politically correct?

[Slam_Bradley]

"Hobos" become "Homeless"


...calling homeless people homeless shows a bland indifference? Hell, calling homeless people homeless is being politically correct?


Well, where I come from they were called bums. Hobos ride the rails, play harmonicas and sing folk music.

[Huh?]

...calling homeless people homeless shows a bland indifference? Hell, calling homeless people homeless is being politically correct?I thought those were Boxcar Willies. Where the hell have I been?

Did anyone else think of PCU while reading this thread?

"WE'RE NOT GONNA PROTEST!"

[west3man]

Political Correctness, IHO, is the dumbest thing you can think of. Here's the guidelines to it:


You don't offend people with it.
It has to be morphed so it just mentions what it APPEARS to be.
It winds up showing a bland indifference.


In other words; it's the same thing as censorship.

Here's several examples:


"Juvenine Delinquents" become "Children at Risk"
"Backward imbicile" (a bad word to became with) became "Mentally Retarded" (an even worse word, to show how bad PC is), which in turn, created "mentally challenged", and became "mentally different"
"Fat" became "Obese", then "
"Hobos" become "Homeless"
"Eggheads" become "Geniuses"


To me, PC says that everyone is suspectible to feelings being broken and it's better not to break ANY feelings.

The point of this thread is to show how stupid one looks when using PC. Allow me to start:

"There are 4 Red jellybeans in the bowl".

With PC, it becomes:

"There are 4 Reddish-colored jel-filled beans in the storage dish"

Okay, that was stupid. But that is my point.
I disagree with your premise.

[Spackling Compound]

This is like a time warp and Johnny Carson is talking about this new trend "Political Correctness"!
PC is so 1991...



"There are 4 Red jellybeans in the bowl".

With PC, it becomes:

"There are 4 Reddish-colored jel-filled beans in the storage dish"

Okay, that was stupid. But that is my point.
Actually, they would be called confections of color and if there are only four, it would be minority confections of color dwelling in inadequate housing.

And Hoboes are considered to be Hobosexuals...

[Ed Cunard]

Well, where I come from they were called bums. Hobos ride the rails, play harmonicas and sing folk music.

And they have an interesting symbol-based graffiti language (http://www.slackaction.com/signroll.htm).

[Spike-X]

Political Correctness, IHO, is the dumbest thing you can think of.

Yeah, trying not to be deliberately offensive is so retarded.

And gay.

[Donald M.]

I disagree with your premise.

I agree with your disagreement.

[K'Nort]

Here's several examples:


"Juvenine Delinquents" become "Children at Risk"
"Backward imbicile" (a bad word to became with) became "Mentally Retarded" (an even worse word, to show how bad PC is), which in turn, created "mentally challenged", and became "mentally different"
"Fat" became "Obese", then "
"Hobos" become "Homeless"
"Eggheads" become "Geniuses"



Okay well the short version is that you're wrong about most of those. In terms of which came first and why and what each means.

There are plenty of valid examples of PC silliness. Why ruin your argument with invalid ones? In a hurry?

[Sir Tim Drake]

"Political correctness" is really nothing more than the principle that people should be treated with sensitivity, and that one should avoid offending others unnecessarily. It is susceptible to being taken too far, but then so is everything else.

[Donald M.]

Okay well the short version is that you're wrong about most of those. In terms of which came first and why and what each means.

There are plenty of valid examples of PC silliness. Why ruin your argument with invalid ones? In a hurry?

Because he's J Dog!

Remember when he almost single-handedly killed the Avatar Contest with his ongoing inability to understand the rules?

Maybe not.

[K'Nort]

For a lot of people, the term "political correctness" refers specifically to the areas that are taken too far. Otherwise, it's basic human consideration and manners, and that shouldn't be somehow "political."

[Huh?]

Because he's J Dog!

Remember when he almost single-handedly killed the Avatar Contest with his ongoing inability to understand the rules?

Maybe not.Exactly. When I read this thread this morning, I said to myself: "Yup, J Dog would write something like this. I can't really understand any of it." - But that is why we love him.

[king mob]

http://www.entertainers.co.uk/images/star-comedians/bernard-manning/bernardmanning.jpg

"three Pakistanis walk into a gay bar. Isn't that a great example of modern culture"


Boom, boom......

[Forefinger]

I agree with your disagreement.
I disagree with your agreement.

[Slam_Bradley]

I disagree with your agreement.

I agree with your agreement to disagree.

[BlairH]

I agree with your agreement to disagree.

I further agree with your agreement to agreement to disagree. Excessive political correctness is a blight on our fair city.

[thetechnocrat]

Well, where I come from they were called bums. Hobos ride the rails, play harmonicas and sing folk music.
I thought those were Boxcar Willies. Where the hell have I been?

And Hoboes are considered to be Hobosexuals...
That was a classic thread.

And what about those Bum Fights videos? Now those aren't pc. Plus the bums prefered to be called underpriviledged actors.

[Endel]

Hobo Baggins?

[JeffreyWKramer]

There is no way for me to be politically correct in stating my opinion of this thread.

[LtMarvel]

So not using racial slurs is pc? Therefore everytime I don't use a racial slur, I'm being stupid?

[Pól Rua]

I further agree with your agreement to agreement to disagree. Excessive political correctness is a blight on our fair city.

Excessive ANYTHING is bad.
That's what 'excessive' means.

[Pól Rua]

I love the way in which a good idea, i.e. not being an arsehole, has been so ridiculed and twisted so that now, people take pride in being 'politically incorrect'.
The same way the words 'feminist', 'liberal', 'conservative', 'progressive' and 'fundamentalist' have been taken by people who have usurped the language in order to mock their opponents.
Nice work.

[Messchird]

I covet to say that slienced-opinions-that-is-inherently-inoffensive-these shouldn't-be-said correctness is difficult of cranium which is width challenged by the way, thank you much.
Why I shouldn't say words that are short but long on offensive-inoffensive effect?
Yes, I shouldn't say anti differently coloured people words but this is cranium challenged.
Walk off and get in a coma, Slienced-opinions-that-is-inherently-inoffensive-these-shouldn't-be-said correctness!

[Spike-X]

I covet to say that slienced-opinions-that-is-inherently-inoffensive-these shouldn't-be-said correctness is difficult of cranium which is width challenged by the way, thank you much.
Why I shouldn't say words that are short but long on offensive-inoffensive effect?
Yes, I shouldn't say anti differently coloured people words but this is cranium challenged.
Walk off and get in a coma, Slienced-opinions-that-is-inherently-inoffensive-these-shouldn't-be-said correctness!
Nice to hear from William S. Burroughs.

[Spike-X]

So not using racial slurs is pc? Therefore everytime I don't use a racial slur, I'm being stupid?
That's correct.

It is your God-given right be be an offensive asshole. Anybody who tries to tell you not to be has no respect for your right to free speech and is a bad person.

[Iangould]

"Hobos" become "Homeless"


Yeah and "kikes" "hebes"; "Christ-killers" and "blood-sucking parasites" becomes Jews.

Terrible - like the way "sluts who can't keep their legs together and get what they deserve" turn into "rape victims'.

[tangentman]

"Political correctness" isn't an actual goal of behavior or values. It's not as if a liberal person uses "politically correct" as a measuring stick for choices. IIRC, "PC" actually began as a joke among liberals about their tendency to walk on eggshells to avoid hurting or alienating EVERYBODY. It was appropriated by conservative pundits to describe any show of diplomacy and sensitivity.

Let me give a few REAL examples of "politically correct" terms:

In some mental health treatment services, "patient" seemed too ostracizing a word to the administrators to describe people in their care. Thus, we see "client" become the preferred term of choice for several years. However, to someone in the system, even THAT word was problematic. Now, agencies might use "consumer" to describe a person receiving treatment services.

"Fat" wouldn't be replaced by "Obese", because that word means "Fatter" or "Fattest". Instead, you heard "Over-weight", but since that implied a value judgment of ideal weight, "plus size" was born.

"Sodomists" -->"Homosexuals"-->"Gays/Lesbians"-->"Same-Sex/Alternative Lifestyles"

Offensive words like "Negro" or "Colored" were replaced by "Black", "Afro-American", "African American", and "People of Color".

[J Dog]

Even I now don't understand what I have written.

Boy, that kinda screwed up my chance of being March's COTM.

I'm an odd one, ain't I?

[Spackling Compound]

"Sodomists" -->"Homosexuals"-->"Gays/Lesbians"-->"Same-Sex/Alternative Lifestyles"


LGBT is also very much PC : Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgender is sort of a one size fits all but, personally, I think it makes strange bedfellows. Pun intended.

[west3man]

LGBT is also very much PC : Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgender is sort of a one size fits all but, personally, I think it makes strange bedfellows. Pun intended.
It's useful, though.
I've tried to refer to folks who aren't heterosexual, in the past, with some term... i think it was simply "non-heterosexual people" and suffered some backlash, as a result.

LGBT/GLBT was very new to me, at the time, (and I still forget the letters, occasionally) so it never occurred to me.

[Spackling Compound]

It's useful, though.
I've tried to refer to folks who aren't heterosexual, in the past, with some term... i think it was simply "non-heterosexual people" and suffered some backlash, as a result.

LGBT/GLBT was very new to me, at the time, (and I still forget the letters, occasionally) so it never occurred to me.
It's useful I suppose in the "non-heterosexual" alternative.

However, recently a gay male poster on another board made a "joke" about transgender people and the transgender person gently said the joke was inappropriate. The gay poster recanted but said that somehow it was ok to make the joke because he was LGBT like the transgender person.

Just made me think.

[west3man]

It's useful I suppose in the "non-heterosexual" alternative.

However, recently a gay male poster on another board made a "joke" about transgender people and the transgender person gently said the joke was inappropriate. The gay poster recanted but said that somehow it was ok to make the joke because he was LGBT like the transgender person.

Just made me think.
I know the situation you mean.
I agree that there are pro's and con's to that grouping.

[Huh?]

It's useful I suppose in the "non-heterosexual" alternative.

However, recently a gay male poster on another board made a "joke" about transgender people and the transgender person gently said the joke was inappropriate. The gay poster recanted but said that somehow it was ok to make the joke because he was LGBT like the transgender person.

Just made me think.It is similar to the way it is okay with some jewish people if other jews make fun of the jewish. But, they get angry when non-jews do the same thing. Jon Stewart comes to mind. I have a lot of jewish friends that joke all the time. But, they get pissed sometimes when other people that aren't jewish do it.

[bfrank]

It is similar to the way it is okay with some jewish people if other jews make fun of the jewish. But, they get angry when non-jews do the same thing. Jon Stewart comes to mind. I have a lot of jewish friends that joke all the time. But, they get pissed sometimes when other people that aren't jewish do it.
I think pretty much all groups do this to some degree,however, I thinks's spack's example is a little different in that LGBT is not just one group of people.....

[Huh?]

I think pretty all groups do this to some degree,however, I thinks's spack's example is a little different in that LGBT is not just one group of people.....True, can someone tell me what LGBT stands for exactly, I get the idea but I am too stupid to figure out the specifics :(

[Spackling Compound]

I think pretty all groups do this to some degree,however, I thinks's spack's example is a little different in that LGBT is not just one group of people.....
That's what I'm saying.

It's like the "people of color" designation that covers blacks, hispanics, asians, etc.

If a Mexican (and not a comedian, per se, but maybe the guy at the office)made black jokes, I don't think many blacks would say, "That's cool. He's a person of color."

I could be wrong.

[Spackling Compound]

True, can someone tell me what LGBT stands for exactly, I get the idea but I am too stupid to figure out the specifics :(
Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender (all on a sesame seed bun)

[Huh?]

Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender (all on a sesame seed bun)Thanks, that's what I thought. But it didn't make sense to me that it would be lesbian and gay. That sounded redundant to me. Oh well.

[K'Nort]

But it didn't make sense to me that it would be lesbian and gay. That sounded redundant to me. Oh well.

I've never thought it made sense to break the two out. It's some sort of feminist thing, from what I recall.

[Spackling Compound]

I've never thought it made sense to break the two out. It's some sort of feminist thing, from what I recall.

I used to see it as "GLBT" and then it turned to "LGBT", so maybe you're right.
In a month, maybe BLGT" and then "TBLG" and then "BLTG"..which would be a sandwich with a side order of FABULOUS!

[Huh?]

Why do female homosexuals have their own unique title (Lesbian)? The guys don't, do they?

[Spackling Compound]

Why do female homosexuals have their own unique title (Lesbian)? The guys don't, do they?
Taking a stab at it, I'd say "gay" is male and "lesbian" is female.
I haven't heard, in recent times, a woman refer to herself as "gay" but as "lesbian".

It may also be like "mankind" refers to all humanity and "men" can mean men and women but "women" never refers to both genders.
Same may be with the term "Gay".

Doesn't anyone just say "homosexual" anymore? But again, the terms "Lesbian" and "Gay" may mean more than "homosexual".

[K'Nort]

The thing is, the general public still thinks of "gay" as synonymous with homosexual. And it seems self-defeating for the lesbian movement to insist on being kept totally distinct. Especially since it seems to be so strongly based on hostility. United fronts are better.

[west3man]

I'm guessing that "gay" was so frequently used to describe homosexuals who happened to be men that it was eventually, almost exclusively associated with them.

I *think* that's how a lot of these terms tend to evolve. "Actor" should just be one who acts, but people tend to think of a male, so when there were more female actors (again, I *guess*) people felt the need to make it clear, from jump, that they were talking about one or more women. Thus "actRESS."

I'm guessing that's where all the "-ettes" came from.
In the case of lesbians, I strongly doubt that an "-ette" suffix would result in a name with which they'd self-identify.

Isn't "woman" enough?

[Huh?]

The thing is, the general public still thinks of "gay" as synonymous with homosexual. And it seems self-defeating for the lesbian movement to insist on being kept totally distinct. Especially since it seems to be so strongly based on hostility. United fronts are better.But, to be brutally honest, it has worked somewhat in their favor. After all a lot of males in this country are extremely turned on by "lesbians." It has become somewhat hip in major cities.

[Spackling Compound]

But, to be brutally honest, it has worked somewhat in their favor. After all a lot of males in this country are extremely turned on by "lesbians." It has become somewhat hip in major cities.
Heh..

I was about to say we've done a CBR first, turned a thread that began with faulty logic and silliness into a good discussion (rather than the usual other way 'round) but Huh? may have gotten us back in the game with that post....

[Huh?]

Heh..

I was about to say we've done a CBR first, turned a thread that began with faulty logic and silliness into a good discussion (rather than the usual other way 'round) but Huh? may have gotten us back in the game with that post....Completely unintentional. I would much rather talk about the perceived difference between male and female homosexuals and what they are "known as" has to do with that. So, talk about that please.

[Spackling Compound]

Completely unintentional. I would much rather talk about the perceived difference between male and female homosexuals and what they are "known as" has to do with that. So, talk about that please.
I was joshing witya...no offense.

http://clickpix.de/schlosspark/kiss.jpg
Peace offering...;)

[Huh?]

I was joshing witya...no offense.

http://clickpix.de/schlosspark/kiss.jpg
Peace offering...;)None taken. I knew you were joking. :)

[Spike-X]

http://clickpix.de/schlosspark/kiss.jpg


These girls are no more lesbians than I am.

[Spackling Compound]

These girls are no more lesbians than I am.

And you know this how?

[west3man]

These girls are no more lesbians than I am.
I'm not gonna say you're not right, but it's funny how quickly and confidently that's said when it's two women while two men in a lip-lock are issued a pink triangle before the spit dries.

[Huh?]

I'm not gonna say you're not right, but it's funny how quickly and confidently that's said when it's two women while two men in a lip-lock are issued a pink triangle before the spit dries.Which is why I think it is interesting that they have consciously differentiated themselves from men. It has worked to a degree in that the first reaction when two cute girls are kissing (I'm assuming they are cute, but I can't see the pic) we say: "they aren't REAL lesbians."

[Spackling Compound]

I'm not gonna say you're not right, but it's funny how quickly and confidently that's said when it's two women while two men in a lip-lock are issued a pink triangle before the spit dries.
Word.

And, actually, I think Huh?'s point was that girls playing "Lesbian" is "hot" these days. Thus, the picture.

But again, they could be LGBT somehow and then it's all in the category. One of those letters has to fit.

[Crash-Man]

That's probably because men haven't made kissing each other a fad.

Which supports your point I guess.

[Spackling Compound]

And to SpikeX...
http://www.craphound.com/images/torcon03/torcon03-Images/194.jpg
Maybe this meets his liking.

[Spackling Compound]

That's probably because men haven't made kissing each other a fad.

Which supports your point I guess.
I'm Lebanese..we do it a lot. Does that mean I'm Lebanese Gay Bisexual Transgender?
http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/pictures/arab_men_kissing.jpg

[Spike-X]

It's the way that they're kissing (one girl can barely stop from giggling) rather than their appearance which led to the conclusion I stated above.

[Spike-X]

I'm not gonna say you're not right, but it's funny how quickly and confidently that's said when it's two women while two men in a lip-lock are issued a pink triangle before the spit dries.
Two guys are much less likely to kiss at parties for shits and giggles than two girls.

[K'Nort]

Two guys are much less likely to kiss at parties for shits and giggles than two girls.

Much less likely to be cheered on to do so, too.

[Spackling Compound]

It's the way that they're kissing (one girl can barely stop from giggling) rather than their appearance which led to the conclusion I stated above.
So Lesbians kiss, but don't have fun doing it?

[K'Nort]

So Lesbians kiss, but don't have fun doing it?

Do straight people usually have giggling fits while kissing?

[Spackling Compound]

Do straight people usually have giggling fits while kissing?
I would hope so. I would certainly hope so.

[Charles RB]

Two guys are much less likely to kiss at parties for shits and giggles than two girls.

It is amazing how many girls on the dance floor at the Student Union up here suddenly appear to be sexually interested in other girls. There's far more sexy girl-on-girl dancing on normal nights than there are on the LGBT Society nights, which is odd.

Gee, I wonder if those girls have an ulterior motive.

[K'Nort]

I would hope so. I would certainly hope so.

Would? You don't know?

[Slam_Bradley]

It is amazing how many girls on the dance floor at the Student Union up here suddenly appear to be sexually interested in other girls. There's far more sexy girl-on-girl dancing on normal nights than there are on the LGBT Society nights, which is odd.

Gee, I wonder if those girls have an ulterior motive.


Whatever the cause, I'm in favor of more sexy girl-on-girl action.

[K'Nort]

Gee, I wonder if those girls have an ulterior motive.


Oh bite your tongue. I'm sure it is very important to them on empowerment principles and such to buy all their own drinks.

[Spackling Compound]

Would? You don't know?

I don't know. I've always at least snickered. But here's a lesbian couple kissing..but since one almost appears to be smiling, is that less lesbian?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1005000/images/_1005100_lesbians150.jpg

[Huh?]

Whatever the cause, I'm in favor of more sexy girl-on-girl action.Are you in favor of more guy-on-guy action? If not, why not?

And, I am not saying there is anything wrong with you not wanting to see guy-on-guy, I am just curious. I think it has to do with the participants needing to be what you are naturally attracted to.

[Slam_Bradley]

I don't know. I've always at least snickered. But here's a lesbian couple kissing..but since one almost appears to be smiling, is that less lesbian?



It's hard to tell if they're really lesbians. We can't see if they're wearing sensible shoes.

[Slam_Bradley]

Are you in favor of more guy-on-guy action? If not, why not?

And, I am not saying there is anything wrong with you not wanting to see guy-on-guy, I am just curious. I think it has to do with the participants needing to be what you are naturally attracted to.


Nope, I'm not. Is it a double standard? Yep. But I'm comfortable with my double standard.

[Spackling Compound]

It's hard to tell if they're really lesbians. We can't see if they're wearing sensible shoes.
SpikeX can make that call. The "Third Sex" tshirt is sort of a clue but I obviously don't have my gaydar..err..lesdar ...on.

[K'Nort]

It's hard to tell if they're really lesbians. We can't see if they're wearing sensible shoes.

Sensible hair is a good sign though.

And the venue seems more political rally than brewfest.

[Spike-X]

SpikeX can make that call. The "Third Sex" tshirt is sort of a clue but I obviously don't have my gaydar..err..lesdar ...on.
You're really determined to hammer me into the ground for one little off-the-cuff comment, aren't you?

[Huh?]

Nope, I'm not. Is it a double standard? Yep. But I'm comfortable with my double standard.I have a similar double standard. I was more curious why you thought you had it.

As a straight man, It is very hard for me to imagine myself making out with a man. It just does not appeal to me at all. But for many women (many that I know personally), they have no issue at a club or bar just making out in public. Why is that? Do women find it sexy when 2 men make out?

[Spackling Compound]

Sensible hair is a good sign though.

And the venue seems more political rally than brewfest.
Lesbians: Passionless kisses without humor. Sensible hair and expressions of affection at political rallies.
Now that's...hot.

[Charles RB]

I'm sure it is very important to them on empowerment principles and such to buy all their own drinks.

Y'know, there's been only one time ever a girl asked me to buy her a drink. To which I blinked and said "no". Because it's my damn money

[Spike-X]

Do women find it sexy when 2 men make out?

Some do, yes.

[K'Nort]

Lesbians: Passionless kisses without humor. Sensible hair and expressions of affection at political rallies.
Now that's...hot.

Now you're getting it.

Turning men on is not the goal.

[Slam_Bradley]

I have a similar double standard. I was more curious why you thought you had it.

As a straight man, It is very hard for me to imagine myself making out with a man. It just does not appeal to me at all. But for many women (many that I know personally), they have no issue at a club or bar just making out in public. Why is that? Do women find it sexy when 2 men make out?


I'd say that it's just part of who I am. I like wimmens. So double the wimmens is a good thing. I've never found a man attractive sexually. Or even particularly non-sexually. Not wired that way.

I do find that there are a lot of women who are very unreceptive to the idea of kissing another woman.

[K'Nort]

I do find that there are a lot of women who are very unreceptive to the idea of kissing another woman.

A lot are unreceptive to the performing monkey aspect, regardless of the partner, too.

[Spackling Compound]

Now you're getting it.

Turning men on is not the goal.
No no...I mean..that's just not hot.
I'd imagine if someone was basing their entire ethos on their sexuality, at least they'd want to have some fun..and giggle when they kiss and do so at places other than political rallies.

Right??

[Tom]

Pre-Stonewall, if she were to refer her to herself in that manner at all, then "gay woman" would have been much more common than it is today. Post-Stonewall, the gay rights movement and the feminist movement exploded simultaneously, leaving many politically minded lesbians of the day split in their attentions and loyalties, especially because early feminism distanced itself from being too associated with lesbianism and early gay rights activists almost immediately (and demonstrating a sad irony), structured their hierarchy as a group around white males. That is to say, the early gay rights movement was almost exclusively structured around the gay male's point of view (which is why it took 25 years for the movement to even think of asking for marriage rights). With that kind of atmosphere, it's not surprising that gay women of the day fiercely adopted a way of referring to themselves that distinguished them from the political and social allies who were denying their existence.

[K'Nort]

No no...I mean..that's just not hot.
I'd imagine if someone was basing their entire ethos on their sexuality, at least they'd want to have some fun..and giggle when they kiss and do so at places other than political rallies.

Right??

No. Really, not at all.

[Spackling Compound]

No. Really, not at all.

What point is that? I mean no offense, you and your partner(s?) can certainly do what is appropriate to your sexuality, but when you don't think it to be fun? Whaaa?

[west3man]

Two guys are much less likely to kiss at parties for shits and giggles than two girls.
Like I said, you're probably right.
But still, even if it somehow came to be that a bunch of men were slobberin' all over each other because they were attention whores, I'm confident we'd say they're all gay and let God sort'em out.

[K'Nort]

What point is that? I mean no offense, you and your partner(s?) can certainly do what is appropriate to your sexuality, but when you don't think it to be fun? Whaaa?

No, the part I bolded.

Gay people don't base 100% of their identities and general existence around their sex lives any more than straight people do.

[Spackling Compound]

No, the part I bolded.

Gay people don't base 100% of their identities and general existence around their sex lives any more than straight people do.
Funny, you're the one who brought up those women being authentic lesbian because of the "sensible haircut" and the "political rally" atmosphere.
With that said, I surmise that for gays and lesbians, to be sexual is a lot more important than anything else.

Gay rights is basically sexual rights for sexual freedoms and liberties as opposed to rights of gender or race.

There are politically charged people who do identify with the culture of oppression and in the gays of the LGBT, there are gays lesbians bisexuals and transgenders who strongly identify themselves primarily by their sex.

Not many straight people do that. Because of the whole freedom thing.

[Spackling Compound]

Like I said, you're probably right.
But still, even if it somehow came to be that a bunch of men were slobberin' all over each other because they were attention whores, I'm confident we'd say they're all gay and let God sort'em out.

I think for women signs of affection, even sexual affection, intrasexually is more common and accepted.
Culturally or genetically, or both, men don't generally show the same signs of affection or expression to one another.
Maybe sports is sort of the outlet for that.

[west3man]

I think for women signs of affection, even sexual affection, intrasexually is more common and accepted.
Culturally or genetically, or both, men don't generally show the same signs of affection or expression to one another.
Maybe sports is sort of the outlet for that.Interesting point.
I still think a lot of folks don't care why a guy kisses another guy. They're gonna "make" you gay.

Hell, cut your hair the wrong way and somebody's gaydar is gonna go off.


The fact that many of us seem to have different working definitions of "gay" and "bisexual" is probably the root of all this.

[Spackling Compound]

The fact that many of us seem to have different working definitions of "gay" and "bisexual" is probably the root of all this.

That's where I have my own concerns about the LGBT business. When you're Asian, you're pretty much Asian. If you're Black, well, you're Black.

But what constitutes "bi-sexual" or "lesbian"? The sorority girls who experiment? They don't get to join due to lack of political interest and maybe they enjoy kissing too much?
Same I suppose for the guy who made out with another guy...

[Spike-X]

But what constitutes "bi-sexual" or "lesbian"?

Bi-sexual means somebody who's genuinely sexually attracted to people of both sexes (as opposed to a drunk college chick who'll kiss another drunk college chick to score free drinks, but is turned off by the thought of doing anything else, especially that one thing if you know what I mean and I think you do).

Lesbian means a woman who's only attracted to other women.

Do you really need these things explained to you?

[west3man]

Bi-sexual means somebody who's genuinely sexually attracted to people of both sexes (as opposed to a drunk college chick who'll kiss another drunk college chick to score free drinks, but is turned off by the thought of doing anything else, especially that one thing if you know what I mean and I think you do).

Lesbian means a woman who's only attracted to other women.

Do you really need these things explained to you?
I do. It seems simple enough, but very frequently, people are using the same words, but talking about different things.
I could easily see calling a woman bisexual, for instance, even though she's not attracted to women; she just happens to not CARE how she gets off.

If that's too hard for some to conceive of, maybe this might mirror more people's experiences:

Have you ever had sex or sexual relations with a woman you didn't find attractive, but who knew how to please you?
Does that doesn't make you a chubby-chaser or a guy who's attracted to ugly women (which is almost too absurd to type)?
Nah. It just means you like to bust.

This is why we had a thread, not long ago, talking about how people define these things. "If a guy's in prison for years and starts humpin' guys, but only because he's in prison, does that mean he's gay?"

Some say "yes" and some say "no." It doesn't matter, so much, which camp you're in. The point is that a lot of people see these things differently.

So, yes. Some of us need these things explained to us.

[Spackling Compound]

Bi-sexual means somebody who's genuinely sexually attracted to people of both sexes (as opposed to a drunk college chick who'll kiss another drunk college chick to score free drinks, but is turned off by the thought of doing anything else, especially that one thing if you know what I mean and I think you do).

Lesbian means a woman who's only attracted to other women.

Do you really need these things explained to you?
It's not the birds and bees. It's a bit more complicated and I'm sure you're answer is not the final answer.

A drunk college chick who kisses another college chick for drinks? Well the action is still a "lesbian" act or "bisexual" act (maybe). Does that make her a bisexual or lesbian? Not really but it could.
Let's say a man has sex with a teenage boy once? Does that make him a pedophile (ephebophile)? Not really but the courts would say different.

[Spackling Compound]

I do. It seems simple enough, but very frequently, people are using the same words, but talking about different things.


So, yes. Some of us need these things explained to us.
Oh, and I guess that makes two of us.

Sorry, SpikeX, to be so dense.

[Tom]

Let's say a man has sex with a teenage boy once? Does that make him a pedophile (ephebophile)? Not really but the courts would say different.
No, the courts would call him a child molestor.

[Spackling Compound]

No, the courts would call him a child molestor.
Ahh, true....well "molester". But, yeah.

[tangentman]

It's not the birds and bees. It's a bit more complicated and I'm sure you're answer is not the final answer.

A drunk college chick who kisses another college chick for drinks? Well the action is still a "lesbian" act or "bisexual" act (maybe). Does that make her a bisexual or lesbian? Not really but it could.
Let's say a man has sex with a teenage boy once? Does that make him a pedophile (ephebophile)? Not really but the courts would say different.

We call drunk college chicks who kiss other drunk college chicks "Party Bi's".

[Spackling Compound]

We call drunk college chicks who kiss other drunk college chicks "Party Bi's".
Do they fit under the umbrella that LGBT? Maybe LGBPBT?