I am now officially worried about the Xbox 360.

[Lester C.]

The unit has been out for four months and you still can’t find it in stores. Every month since the unit has debut Sony has sold far more Playstations than Microsoft has sold Xboxes. One of the groundbreaking games that really lit the world on fire for Playstaion 1 was Final Fantasy 7. I was hoping that Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion would be that game for the Xbox 360. Now Oblivion is going to be released shortly and there is still no word when the Xbox 360 is going to be widely diffused throughout America. I have many fine memories of the original Xbox and I was hoping to support Microsoft in their new venture but as new games come out for a system no one owns I worry about the Xbox’s sustainability in the market place. I, like many of you, am now going to purchase Oblivion for the computer despite the fact I was planning on playing it on the 360.

[Lubichev]

The unit has been out for four months and you still can’t find it in stores.
Still? Man, that is stupid. Have they dropped in price on E-bay? It was a great promotional campaign, but a hideous way to execute it.

And I hear the PS3 will not be available until February 2007!

[Lester C.]

Still? Man, that is stupid. Have they dropped in price on E-bay? It was a great promotional campaign, but a hideous way to execute it.

And I hear the PS3 will not be available until February 2007!

The demand for the Xbox 360 has dwindled with the supply.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Premium-Edition-System-Game-Console_W0QQitemZ8267128098QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem

Given the fact that Sony is outperforming Playstaion, they can afford to milk every last bit of juice out of Playstation 2. Although there are rumors that Playstation 3 is going to be twice the price of the 360 but those are just well educated guesses by experts

[glue]

The scarcity of the 360 does seem ridiculous, but I've never really kept up with system launches so I can't compare it to the scarcity of the XBox or PS2 launches. However, if I do get a new console it will be the 360. I don't buy systems until they drop in price anyway, so by that time scarcity shouldn't be an issue.

[Xero Kaiser]

Supposedly MS will have the supply problem solved by April. I love MS and my 360, but this was one sloppy ass launch.

[Lester C.]

At least this is going to stop the conspiracy theory about Microsoft deliberately undersupplying Xbox 360s to retailers. If that was true the market would have been flooded while demand of the Xbox 360 was at it’s peak and it scarcity led the news every night.

[glue]

At least this is going to stop the conspiracy theory about Microsoft deliberately undersupplying Xbox 360s to retailers.


No it won't. The anti-Microsoft legions are a crazy and persistent bunch.

[G. Wayne]

I'm a wee bit more concerned about the scarcity of games that don't suck for the 360, compared to the availability of the system itself.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

I'm a wee bit more concerned about the scarcity of games that don't suck for the 360, compared to the availability of the system itself.ironiclly my brother said the same thing 2 days ago.

[BlairH]

There are HUNDREDS here in the stores. We have about 30 machines upstairs right now, and they have been selling very well. We don't have any PS2s in stock at all just now.

Perhaps the rarity of the 360 is more due to the shops filling outstanding pre-orders as opposed to deliverys not coming in?

[Black Atom]

I'm a wee bit more concerned about the scarcity of games that don't suck for the 360, compared to the availability of the system itself.

Silly Rabbit, people don't buy consoles for the games.

[BlairH]

I bought Ghost Recon 3 on Friday.
I completed Ghost Recon 3 on Friday.

For some reason I still love it.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

For me, Elder Scrolls:Oblivion is reason enough for me to buy the console (my computer couldn't even deal with the work load of rendering even one of the characters).

Not to mention Mass Effect (Bioware's new RPG trilogy).

[Zeta]

Silly Rabbit, people don't buy consoles for the games.

Yeah! They buy them to play CDs, DVDs, and surf online! :p

[G. Wayne]

Yeah! They buy them to play CDs, DVDs, and surf online! :p

huh. Well then, silly me. And there I thought that's what those wacky desktop computer doohickeys were for.

[cactusmaac]

PS3's supply problems are going to be even worse.

Each unit will cost Sony about $800 to build (excluding marketing and other sales expenditure) so they'll be looking to choke off supply until the components become much cheaper.

[Lester C.]

PS3's supply problems are going to be even worse.

Each unit will cost Sony about $800 to build (excluding marketing and other sales expenditure) so they'll be looking to choke off supply until the components become much cheaper.

I not worried about that quite yet. Both the first Xbox and Xbox 360 were sold for far less the cost it takes to manufacture them. From a hardware standpoint both systems are going to give console gamers far more bank for their then computer gamers that have to pay a fortune to play the latest and greatest PC Games. I’m biased here but I think that console gamers for the Xbox 360, Playstation 3, and Revolution are in for a treat. This generation proved that having three game systems compete head to head is viable so maybe we’ll all be happy. At least that’s my hope.

[Lester C.]

There are HUNDREDS here in the stores. We have about 30 machines upstairs right now, and they have been selling very well. We don't have any PS2s in stock at all just now.

Perhaps the rarity of the 360 is more due to the shops filling outstanding pre-orders as opposed to deliverys not coming in?
I don't buy the preorder thing. Don't get me wrong I'm sure that's a factor for stores that take preorders but what about Target, Wallmart, Best Buy and other stores. Those retail establisments are first come first serve and they have no product.

I don't know what area of the world you are posting in but there places like Japan have a surplus of Xboxes due gamers not purchasing them in those regions.

[BlairH]

they have no product.
Because they are not dedicated game stores. Microsoft gives gamer stores who take preorders a higher priority so that the preorders can be filled in short order.

I don't know what area of the world you are posting in but there places like Japan have a surplus of Xboxes due gamers not purchasing them in those regions.

MS doesn't like the Japanese market, just as Ninty doesn't like the European market.

[Bloopinator]

I'm glad I have no intrest in the Xbox or I'd be tortured at not being able to get one.

[Gargus]

Pc version would be better in than any console as Im sure eyecandy is a big reason for some people and with extra visuals pc version will look better. Can also patch the pc version for problems and bethesda with past elder scroll games has released extra quests, more weapons, voice packs and so on for their games and the eventual expansion packs.

Far as xbox360 goes itself mine is a very expensive paperweight. All the games on it worth playing were out months before and I had already beaten on my pc. Perfect dark zero and dead or alive 4 were only 2 I really wanted and I dont own DOA4 yet as I was stupid enough to shell out 60 bucks a game once and I wont do it again. If nothing else Ill grab it off ebay in a few months but with 360 jacked up game prices I wont be buying many games new.

[Lester C.]

Pc version would be better in than any console as Im sure eyecandy is a big reason for some people and with extra visuals pc version will look better. Can also patch the pc version for problems and bethesda with past elder scroll games has released extra quests, more weapons, voice packs and so on for their games and the eventual expansion packs.

Far as xbox360 goes itself mine is a very expensive paperweight. All the games on it worth playing were out months before and I had already beaten on my pc. Perfect dark zero and dead or alive 4 were only 2 I really wanted and I dont own DOA4 yet as I was stupid enough to shell out 60 bucks a game once and I wont do it again. If nothing else Ill grab it off ebay in a few months but with 360 jacked up game prices I wont be buying many games new.

The are advantage that PC gamers have over console gamers. The big one is that you guys are on the cutting edge of gaming. So many games and series have started for the PC and moved on to the consoles. As a console fan I never got the chance to play the initial installments of Doom, Elder Scrolls, Hitman etc.
While I’m hoping the next generation of gaming changes this online gaming has been limited on consoles. There are definite advantages to console gaming...it just too rich for my blood. I can’t afford the constant computer upgrades, and the monthly payments to online games. I truly feel that with the price breaks on next gen hardware that’s unavailable to PC gamers I am going to stick to console gaming. Still though I'll admit if I had the money I'd throw myself into a gaming market that has been denied to me for many years.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

"I'm a wee bit more concerned about the scarcity of games that don't suck for the 360"

CoD2, DOA4, Condemned, Kameo, Fight Night, Burnout, Oblivion, GRAW.

Yeah, there's totally not any great games. :rolleyes:

[Black Atom]

"I'm a wee bit more concerned about the scarcity of games that don't suck for the 360"

CoD2, DOA4, Condemned, Kameo, Fight Night, Burnout, Oblivion, GRAW.

Yeah, there's totally not any great games. :rolleyes:

Now, how many of these are not available, in some version, on a system that's already available? Suckage is highly subjective.

[Xero Kaiser]

Pc version would be better in than any console as Im sure eyecandy is a big reason for some people and with extra visuals pc version will look better. Can also patch the pc version for problems and bethesda with past elder scroll games has released extra quests, more weapons, voice packs and so on for their games and the eventual expansion packs.

Any graphical difference between a PC and X360 game would pretty much go unnoticed. And the 360 is getting the official patches anyway, so that's not a problem

[Astonishing X-Fan]

So what, a game is only great if it's an exclusive now?

I feel bad for someone who passes up fantastic looking and playing games on the 360 because there's a dumbed-down version on the other consoles.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

The 360/PS3 can easily match and surpass the PC right now. Now, two years from now, the PC will be back ahead of the consoles. It always works that way. New generation of consoles come out...they're ahead of PC games for 1-2 years...PCs catch up and then surpass them. Right now, games like CoD2 and Oblivion look just as good as a maxed-out PC version.

Of course, a next-gen console is $400-$500...while a gaming PC can go for a couple grand or even more.

[Black Atom]

So what, a game is only great if it's an exclusive now?

I feel bad for someone who passes up fantastic looking and playing games on the 360 because there's a dumbed-down version on the other consoles.

Having played PGR and DoA4, I can say that the upgrade in graphics has not instilled in me a need to dash out an buy a 360, to say nothing of the HD TV I'd need to take advantage of that graphical goodness. The asking price of next-gen consoles have forced me to be a great deal more discerning.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Hey, all I'm saying is that it's dumb to say there aren't any good games on the system when there are, in fact, plenty. Just like it's dumb to say there aren't any good Gamecube/Dreamcast/PS2/whatever games.

[Black Atom]

Hey, all I'm saying is that it's dumb to say there aren't any good games on the system when there are, in fact, plenty. Just like it's dumb to say there aren't any good Gamecube/Dreamcast/PS2/whatever games.

Maybe, but you'd sound a lot more credible saying that about the 360, which is boasting a 12 game library, than you would about the other consoles, that have hundreds of games. There's nothing really mind-blowing about 360s launch titles so far. But I felt that way about the PS2, also.

[Lester C.]

Maybe, but you'd sound a lot more credible saying that about the 360, which is boasting a 12 game library, than you would about the other consoles, that have hundreds of games. There's nothing really mind-blowing about 360s launch titles so far. But I felt that way about the PS2, also.

There is a lot of great stuff on the horizon. Microsoft has a vast array of titles coming out in multiple genres. the reason why there are so few titles out right a combination of Microsoft launching too early and key titles being removed from the launch schedule.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

I guess I just fail to see how someone could look at games like Condemned, Kameo, CoD2, DOA4, GRAW, and Oblivion and not see the quality oozing from every pore.

[BlairH]

Bioware is developing a sci-fi action RPG called "Mass Effect". That game looks quite tasty.

Remedy is developing a horror/suspense "thriller" called "Alan Wake". That game looks REALLY TASTY!

Those are my two "hot picks" for the 360.

[Lester C.]

I guess I just fail to see how someone could look at games like Condemned, Kameo, CoD2, DOA4, GRAW, and Oblivion and not see the quality oozing from every pore.

Some of those were suppose to be launch day games but came out later. Still though, while those are quality games, the quantity of games as well as their availably is lacking. And Oblivion hasn’t launched yet it might belong on that list of incredible games.

[Maleficentogre]

kameo sucks. DOA 4 is awful. I have CoD2 in pc and will get oblivion and condemned on PC as well. I can save money and get gwar on xbox or PC. That's what's wrong with 360 right now. just my opinion. and no my PC didn't cost a trillian dollars. Barely cost me $600.

[Phrozen]

The 360/PS3 can easily match and surpass the PC right now. Now, two years from now, the PC will be back ahead of the consoles. It always works that way. New generation of consoles come out...they're ahead of PC games for 1-2 years...PCs catch up and then surpass them. Right now, games like CoD2 and Oblivion look just as good as a maxed-out PC version.

Of course, a next-gen console is $400-$500...while a gaming PC can go for a couple grand or even more.

No, not really. Call of Duty 2 does look good but it is not cutting edge as far as graphical prowess goes.

[BlairH]

kameo sucks. DOA 4 is awful. I have CoD2 in pc and will get oblivion and condemned on PC as well. I can save money and get gwar on xbox or PC. That's what's wrong with 360 right now. just my opinion. and no my PC didn't cost a trillian dollars. Barely cost me $600.

The (original) XBOX version of GRAW is absolutely terrible. The PC version will be a completely different game. (First person only) The only way to play GRAW right now is on the 360 sadly. The cynical person in me believes that this was a cunning ploy.

ESIV will clearly be better on PC though due to the user developed content.

[Xero Kaiser]

DOA 4 is awful

Lies

and no my PC didn't cost a trillian dollars. Barely cost me $600.

What'd you do, pay for half the hard drive and steal everything else?

[Maleficentogre]

nope just built it up from scratch. and DOA4 is filth. total filth. hate that series

[Xero Kaiser]

What the hell? There must be some sort of black market for this stuff, because there's no way in hell you can get all those parts, starting with nothing, for 500+ dollars at any store I've ever heard of and still have something that could run oblivion worth a damn

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Kameo sucks? BS.

And while DOA4 isn't a deep fighter by any means, it's a FUN fighter and an EXCELLENT party game. Not to mention it's got some STUNNING visuals.

[Maleficentogre]

graphics don't do anything for me. The gameplay is horribly broken and it's not fun for me anymore. if they ever tone down the damage that counters do and especially getting countered into a wall then it'll be okay. Kameo is a boring fetch queset with mediocre gameplay. and graphics are plastic. bored me to tears.

[Xero Kaiser]

if they ever tone down the damage that counters do and especially getting countered into a wall then it'll be okay.

Uhh...they did. Hell, they did that in DoA2U and took it even further in DoA4. Which is pretty common knowledge among people who've actually played it

And how is the game even remotely broken? The character's are all pretty well balanced. The only possible exception was Hayate and a few moves like Hayabusa's headbutt and they all got toned down in the balance patch.

Everytime someone hates on a fighting game, they claim it's "broken". The phrase doesn't even mean anything anymore. I mean if you don't like it, you don't like it. But let's not pretend it's some unbalanced, buggy mess like MvC2

[Urusai Wrangler]

Any concerns about the 360's viability will be erased when Halo 3 launches. This game alone will sell systems on its own merits the same way Halo 2 saw a spike in sales of the original Xbox.

Still, there's plenty of 360's in the Phoenix metro region; the Best Buys here have them in almost weekly.

I have to disagree about Kameo; it's become my favorite game of all time.

[Maleficentogre]

I don't see how anyone could consider Kameo great. It's the definition of mediocre. I can see how someone likes DOA4, but not kameo. In the 360's favor PGR3 and Fight Night Round 3 are choice. (note: didn't like Halo 2 either, thinks halo 3 will be equally as rushed and not fun in the single player).

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

Pc version would be better in than any console as Im sure eyecandy is a big reason for some people and with extra visuals pc version will look better. Can also patch the pc version for problems and bethesda with past elder scroll games has released extra quests, more weapons, voice packs and so on for their games and the eventual expansion packs.


*Ahem*

Most previews up till now (a couple days before the actual release) seem to indicate that the only real difference you'd see between a monster (and I do mean monster, absolutely top of the line, anything less and the 360 owns) computer and the 360 version of Oblivion is due to the resolution of the screen, not the machines themselves. Computer monitors can simply go up another notch compared to even the best plasma or HD television.

Things will be different in...say...a year or so, but right now that's the situation.

As for patches, etc, Oblivion's fully supported by Live, and all of the typical stuff released by Bethesda on the internet will be offered there as well.

The only main difference, though it *is* a big one, is the lack of the ability to mod.

[Hiromi]

Lies



What'd you do, pay for half the hard drive and steal everything else?

Check prices before making a statement like this, a 250 gig hard drive can go for less than 150 bucks. And that'd actually be a bit expensive (a good deal on a hard drive means paying less than 50 cents a GB).

[Urusai Wrangler]

I don't see how anyone could consider Kameo great. It's the definition of mediocre. I can see how someone likes DOA4, but not kameo.


My definition of mediocre is far different than yours, apparently. I can see where our tastes differ in games, though; I felt PGR3 was merely okay, wasn't interested at all in DOA4, and despite looking amazing, I didn't like Fight Night at all. What I saw in Kameo:

- Scope: More onscreen enemies to wade through than any other console title, ever.
- Immersiveness: The most fully realized and engaging world I've experienced; crammed with more life and attention to detail than I've ever seen on console. Stunning environments that are huge in scale; if you can see it, you can get to it. the final Badlands battle was the first defining moment of next-generation gaming for me.
-Customization: Pick and choose your upgrades for your favorite warriors, or spread them out for a broader array of abilities.
- Engaging combat: 10 unique warriors with widely disparate fighting styles. Choose your warriors and combo their attacks in myriad ways.
- Epic score: The best soundrack I've heard since World of Warcraft.
- Replay value: Five months after release I'm still aiming for an A ranking on each level, but the skill required to accomplish this is crazy insane. Best I've managed is a B ranking.
- Secrets: Hidden items, and even hidden minigames to dig up if you can find them.

The story was a bit disjointed and the game was a bit on the short side, but it's still the one I play the most...I've logged over 100 hours on my main save, and I've recently restarted a second save to replay certain parts I don't have access to on the first game.

Kameo got me excited about games again; it took me back about ten years to a time when games really captured my imagination and just didn't let go until I'd finished the game. Very few games do that for me anymore; Psychonauts was the last one that did this.

[Xero Kaiser]

Check prices before making a statement like this, a 250 gig hard drive can go for less than 150 bucks. And that'd actually be a bit expensive (a good deal on a hard drive means paying less than 50 cents a GB).

I know that, and I did check prices. I didn't literally mean that anymore than I meant that he actually stole his computer parts

- Engaging combat: 10 unique warriors with widely disparate fighting styles. Choose your warriors and combo their attacks in myriad ways.

LOL

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Why LOL? It's true. They all play very different from one another. If you didn't take advantage of the variety, it's your own fault.

And I shake my head at anyone who tells me Kameo graphics aren't amazing. Plastic? No, PDZ is plastic. Kameo is simply cartoony, and there's nothing wrong with that. But the lighting, the wilderness, the world of Kameo...if you don't see the beauty then you're either blind or your 360 is hooked up to a 20 year old TV with those cables you have to screw in.

[Xero Kaiser]

It just seemed as if he was making it out to be an involved combo system or something, when it's really just choosing between punching them, kicking them, rolling into them, throwing ice spikes at them etc..

It's no more engaging or different than any other game with multiple attacks. Less so, actually

[BlairH]

The 360 has nothing to worry about! One of my American shooting friends made this costume to celebrate his choice of gaming lifestyle.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/xdalfalkif/IM000327.jpg

[Black Atom]

There is a lot of great stuff on the horizon. Microsoft has a vast array of titles coming out in multiple genres. the reason why there are so few titles out right a combination of Microsoft launching too early and key titles being removed from the launch schedule.

Possibly. My main point is that, so far, all the 360 offers are prettied-up versions of games that are already out. Hardly boner-inducing.

As for DOA, it's not broken, but it still rewards too well for counters, which is why it still doesn't get much serious comp play. DOA's a fun game for jiggliness and casual play. You either like it or you don't. MvC2, OTOH, is still played in tourneys. You can't even compare the two.

[Xero Kaiser]

DoA doesn't get serious play because it rewards too well for counters? That's silly. Then why the hell do people play Third Strike? A parry in that game equals half your health bar gone

MvC2 being played in tourneys doesn't excuse the fact that it's a buggy, unbalanced mess. Yet that still gets taken seriously? Why? Because a handful of people play it in a tournament? I don't agree with that line of thinking. They don't even get half the turnout FPS/RTS games do. What goes on at Evo shouldn't be used to judge the worth of a fighting game. Those guys hate everything. You practically have to shove a new game down their throats before they'll give it the time of day. Even Third Strike didn't pick up until years after it's release

Really, there's a lot of games that don't get tourney play, doesn't mean anything. VF4 doesn't get any play in the US either, you're not gonna tell me MvC2 is deeper than that.

[cactusmaac]

Possibly. My main point is that, so far, all the 360 offers are prettied-up versions of games that are already out. Hardly boner-inducing.


Yeah, there really isn't a compelling reason to buy one so far.

[Urusai Wrangler]

It just seemed as if he was making it out to be an involved combo system or something, when it's really just choosing between punching them, kicking them, rolling into them, throwing ice spikes at them etc..


Actually from my perspective, this is untrue. Punching/kicking/rolling will never get you an A ranking; you've got to discover and master some of the more advanced combos to be able to unlock all the extras. The game does give you some hints from time to time (such as Ash's firetrap/Deep Blue's oil stream), but even as destructive as some of those combos are, I've still never been able to crack the 15 million points needed to crack into the A ranks on Water Temple (5 Million is as close as I got to attain a B rank). Of course, most of the advanced combos are only available if you've bought new abilities or upgraded a lot of the beginning ones, which means you gotta go out there and hunt down as much elemental fruit as you can manage.

Combos like laying an opponent flat with Pummelweed's Uppercut combined with Rubble's gravel storm (that can whack your opponent from behind as he gets back up if you know what you're doing) show a pretty innovative and creative design theory that I believe sets Kameo apart from its contemporaries.

So yeah, I guess you can go around and pop everybody in the head with just plain punches, but that only scratches the surface of what the warriors are capable of in the right sequence.

[Black Atom]

DoA doesn't get serious play because it rewards too well for counters? That's silly. Then why the hell do people play Third Strike? A parry in that game equals half your health bar gone.

In DOA, you can miss a counter and then STILL counter the rest of a combo. It makes it unrewarding to learn combos or strikes at all when you can just save your time being really good at counters/throws. You can have fun matches among friends who promise to play "honorably" but serious competetion is pretty much out. The parries in 3S aren't nearly as abusable as the risk of whiffing a parry is pretty much equal to the reward.


MvC2 being played in tourneys doesn't excuse the fact that it's a buggy, unbalanced mess. Yet that still gets taken seriously? Why? Because a handful of people play it in a tournament? I don't agree with that line of thinking. They don't even get half the turnout FPS/RTS games do. What goes on at Evo shouldn't be used to judge the worth of a fighting game. Those guys hate everything. You practically have to shove a new game down their throats before they'll give it the time of day. Even Third Strike didn't pick up until years after it's release


You're right, but it's not just Evo. It's got longevity in the arcades, too. The fact that there are glitches/infinites and the game isn't broken is a testament to how deep it really is.


Really, there's a lot of games that don't get tourney play, doesn't mean anything. VF4 doesn't get any play in the US either, you're not gonna tell me MvC2 is deeper than that.

True, but MvC2 being deeper than DoA has nothing to do with tourney play. It just happens to be the deeper game.

[Xero Kaiser]

In DOA, you can miss a counter and then STILL counter the rest of a combo. It makes it unrewarding to learn combos or strikes at all when you can just save your time being really good at counters/throws. You can have fun matches among friends who promise to play "honorably" but serious competetion is pretty much out. The parries in 3S aren't nearly as abusable as the risk of whiffing a parry is pretty much equal to the reward.

Randomly throwing out counters is the fastest way to get destroyed. Good players will bait a counter and then nail you with a Hi-counter throw or a launcher. And then you have to take into consideration the actual chance of you landing a random counter. There's a 4 out of 5 chance that you'll screw up and then wind up taking extra damage because of it and even if you manage to counter mid-combo your counter will do less damage. All the counter hits you'll take throwing random counter holds out there will turn a basic combo into a 50% one. A lot of lower ranked players think like you do and just mash back+X all day and they're the ones who eat anything that isn't a mid-punch.

Random counters are as useful as random assists/supers in MvC2. I'm not saying that DoA is the deepest fighter out there, but the whole idea that all you gotta do is mash the counter button and you'll win is ridiculous. Please, please go online and try that

[Black Atom]

Randomly throwing out counters is the fastest way to get destroyed. Good players will bait a counter and then nail you with a Hi-counter throw or a launcher. And then you have to take into consideration the actual chance of you landing a random counter. There's a 4 out of 5 chance that you'll screw up and then wind up taking extra damage because of it and even if you manage to counter mid-combo your counter will do less damage. All the counter hits you'll take throwing random counter holds out there will turn a basic combo into a 50% one. A lot of lower ranked players think like you do and just mash back+X all day and they're the ones who eat anything that isn't a mid-punch.

Random counters are as useful as random assists/supers in MvC2. I'm not saying that DoA is the deepest fighter out there, but the whole idea that all you gotta do is mash the counter button and you'll win is ridiculous. Please, please go online and try that

I never said anything about mashing the counter button. I said counters/throws are so rewarding that its hardly worth it to use anything else. Even the penalized damage from mid-combo counters don't make up for the fact that you can do it to begin with, which still puts your opponent on the defensive and screws up any chance you have at mind games. Plus, the counter window is so large, you can actually punch yourself into a counter, but I'm willing to chalk that up to my own timing issues. Either way, I like DoA. I just don't think it's worth buying a 360 for.

[Xero Kaiser]

I said counters/throws are so rewarding that its hardly worth it to use anything else.

But even that's only the case if your opponent is really predictable. But mid-combo counters really aren't that bad. There's enough risk there to balance it out and you've still got room for some mind games. Like I said earlier, bait a counter and rip into them with counter hits and hi-counter throws

On a side note, if I tried having this conversation on the Shoryuken forums, I would've been called every dirty word there is by now....probably would've been some shots about my momma too.http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

[G. Wayne]

"I'm a wee bit more concerned about the scarcity of games that don't suck for the 360"

CoD2, DOA4, Condemned, Kameo, Fight Night, Burnout, Oblivion, GRAW.

If there's any video game genre I could do without for the rest of my life, it's first person shooters. Never liked them, never will. Sooo not my style.

Kameo...eh...

The DoA series is good on the eyes, but I never liked the moves system.

If I got bored with pro-wrestling games, I don't think I'll ever play a version, as good as it may look, where all you can do is punch. (No, I don't "get" boxing. At least as a sport unto itself, but that's another argument for another day.)

Burnout, I'll give you that I guess, but it's nothing to buy the system for.

And Oblivion too, but last I knew that wasn't even out yet.

Yeah, there's totally not any great games. :rolleyes:

I didn't say all the games sucked, but there's nothing great, no. There's nothing out yet for the 360 to make me want to go out and pay a couple hundred for the system, when I can wait a few months for the price to drop and some more diverse games to come out.

[Black Atom]

But even that's only the case if your opponent is really predictable. But mid-combo counters really aren't that bad. There's enough risk there to balance it out and you've still got room for some mind games. Like I said earlier, bait a counter and rip into them with counter hits and hi-counter throws

I think the trouble is that ground combos in general can be pretty predictable in general. In Soul Calibur, for example, you can switch high/low in mid combo or delay attacks slightly, which really plays up the mindgames. I have a lot more fun with it, though, than a lot of the other 3D fighters around.


On a side note, if I tried having this conversation on the Shoryuken forums, I would've been called every dirty word there is by now....probably would've been some shots about my momma too.http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

SRKers do a pretty good job of alienating anyone that might ever want to play a fighting game and they wonder why the interest is shrinking up.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Just because you aren't interested in a game, doesn't mean it's not a great game. I could care less about RE4, but I still see the quality.

Look, I'm not saying that everyone should look at the game lineup and see plenty of reasons why they would personally buy the system, but I AM saying that "the lineup of games is bad" is a completely false and baseless thing to say. Because there's a sizable handful of great, well-made games. Just because you don't like FPS doesn't mean CoD2 isn't a great game.

See what I mean?