Hellboy Conqueror Worm Mummy Heads

[slamdanzcosmop]

Hey Kids,
This subject has probably been covered before, but I searched the forum a couple of times and I didn't find anything. So here goes: In the Conqueror Worm story arc, when Hellboy finds the cabinet of mummified heads, what do the dates and initials on their foreheads mean. I suppose it refers to prophets of some sort, but I can't figure out how. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Tad]

I took them to be a classification system, like prisoners in Dachau, but there are letters there too. Well, Edward the Confessor was King of England in 1066. Would that be E.C. 1066? Seems shakey. Edgar Cayce would make a lot more sense but he didn't die until 1945.

Good hunting.

[Neil Hill]

I believe Mike said a few years back at SDCC that they were supposed to be the mummified heads of various Saints, and (I think) either the era in which they lived or some sort of classification system (as Tad had said) burned into their foreheads.

[jnapper]

I posted who they were on the forum two incarnations before this forum. I don't have my comics with me right now, nor did I save the list from the old forum-- d'oh. :(

If you go by the initials and try different names in a typical online encyclopedia of saints, they were easy to spot by the dates.

[hellboyone]

They're football players and their lifetime averages...yeah, that's the ticket. :)

R.

[Petersen]

I thought they were CBR members and the numbers were their post count at the time ;)

[hellboyone]

EC must be ME! (Enrico's my full given name). :)

R.

[Tad]

JER 420 - St. Jerome
DOM 1221 - Dominic de Guzman
HC 1109 - ? St. Anselm (HC?)
AMB 397 - St. Ambrose
EC 1066 - St. Edward the Confessor
PHI 684 - St. Philbert

So the H.C. doesn't fit, anybody got someone better?

[hellboyone]

St. Anselm's the only one I could find attributed to that year. Hm...

(One of my older brothers is named Anselmo.)

R.

[patrick r]

JER 420 - St. Jerome
DOM 1221 - Dominic de Guzman
HC 1109 - ? St. Anselm (HC?)
AMB 397 - St. Ambrose
EC 1066 - St. Edward the Confessor
PHI 684 - St. Philbert

So the H.C. doesn't fit, anybody got someone better?

I'm assuming since they were German that they used the German form of his name - Hansel (Dutch: from the personal name Hansel or Ansel, a form of Anselm)

So it would be Hansel of Canterbury 1109.

[E. Spears]

petriacce--that was some Shirlock Holmes action there. nice.

[Neil Hill]

JER 420 - St. Jerome
DOM 1221 - Dominic de Guzman
HC 1109 - ? St. Anselm (HC?)
AMB 397 - St. Ambrose
EC 1066 - St. Edward the Confessor
PHI 684 - St. Philbert

So the H.C. doesn't fit, anybody got someone better?

Between me and my brother we know everything. This must be the one my brother knows. (quoted from War of the Worlds) :p

[Tad]

Couldn't have said it better, Cure. Nice going, Petriacce!

[hellboyone]

Give the No Prize to Petriacce! (Where's Stan Lee when you need'im?)

R.

[Maija]

Good job, Patrick!

Now can you figure out Rick's full name, so I can use it on him like his mom when he's done something bad?

"Enrico Montalban Hasenpfeffer Cortes! If I have to come down there you are going to be in more trouble than you can imagine!!!"

[hellboyone]

Good job, Patrick!

Now can you figure out Rick's full name, so I can use it on him like his mom when he's done something bad?

"Enrico Montalban Hasenpfeffer Cortes! If I have to come down there you are going to be in more trouble than you can imagine!!!"

Ha! If I actually told you guys my real, full name, you'd see that it's just a little, tiny bit less ridiculous than what Ruta came up with. :)

R.
(mum's the word)

[Mike Cross]

I sense a Pasquale in there somewhere...or maybe a Herve

[patrick r]

Now can you figure out Rick's full name, so I can use it on him like his mom when he's done something bad?Now, that's assuming that Rick would ever do something to get into trouble. I just can't, no I won't believe it.

Besides, if you say his full name three times you'll never be able to untwist your tongue.

[morna]

ok I'll bite what IS your goofy slightly-less-ridiculous-than-Enrico-Montalban-Hasenpfeffer-Cortes full name!??

[Neil Hill]

ok I'll bite what IS your goofy slightly-less-ridiculous-than-Enrico-Montalban-Hasenpfeffer-Cortes full name!??

Uh oh, she opened THAT particular can of worms. :) You folks realize you're just giving Rick a platform to allow his strangeness full roam here, right? :p

[hellboyone]

Nah...I'll leave that one alone. Unless one of you can get to my passport. :)

R.
(Whose name is actually quite sophisticated and elegant.)

[Mike Cross]

Enrico Sanchez villa-Lobos Ramirez Cortes the third, the Duke of Funk

[Maija]

I hope crazy stuff like this is included in the Compendium.

I think this was the second iteration of this discussion. The first time through we referred to this timeline (http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/time0000.htm) for several of the saints (in case anyone reading this thread wants more info).

Take that, CBR cleaning robots.

[chiaroscuros]

history lesson time!

for those with short attention spans, go back to teasing Rick :)

JER 420 - St. Jerome
DOM 1221 - Dominic de Guzman
HC 1109 - Hansel of Canterbury
AMB 397 - St. Ambrose
EC 1066 - St. Edward the Confessor
PHI 684 - St. Philbert

Saint Jerome (ca. 347 – September 30, 420; Greek: Ευσέβιος Σωφρόνιος Ιερώνυμος, Latin: Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus) is best known as the translator of the Bible from Greek and Hebrew into Latin.

St. Augustine said of him, "What Jerome is ignorant of, no mortal has ever known."

He is also often depicted with a lion, due to a medieval story in which he removed a thorn from a lion's paw, and, less often, an owl, the symbol of wisdom and scholarship. Writing materials and the trumpet of final judgment are also part of his iconography.

Patron Saint of: librarians, students

Jerome died near Bethlehem on September 30, 420. The date of his death is given by the Chronicon of Prosper of Aquitaine. His remains, originally buried at Bethlehem, are said to have been later transferred to the church of Santa Maria Maggiore at Rome, though other places in the West claim some relics -- the cathedral at Nepi boasting possession of his head, which, according to another tradition, is in the Escorial.

Saint Dominic (Spanish: Domingo), also known as Dominic of Osma, often called Dominic de Guzmán and Domingo de Guzmán Garcés (1170 – August 6, 1221) was the founder of the Friars Preachers, popularly called the Dominicans or Order of Preachers (OP), a Catholic religious order. Dominic is the patron saint of astronomers and the Dominican Republic.

In the earliest narrative source, by Jordan of Saxony, Dominic's parents are Felix Guzman and Joanna of Aza. The story is told that before his birth his mother dreamed that a dog leapt from her womb carrying a torch in its mouth, and "seemed to set the earth on fire".

Throughout his life, Dominic is said to have zealously practiced rigorous self-denial. He wore a hairshirt, and an iron chain around his loins, which he never laid aside, even in sleep. He abstained from meat and observed stated fasts and periods of silence. When traveling, as soon as he passed the limits of towns and villages, he took off his shoes, and, however sharp the stones or thorns, he trudged on his way barefooted. Rain and other discomforts elicited from his lips nothing but praises to God.

Saint Anselm of Canterbury (1033 – April 21, 1109) was an Italian medieval philosopher, theologian, and church official who held the office of Archbishop of Canterbury from 1093 to 1109. Called the founder of scholasticism, he is famous as the originator of the ontological argument for the existence of God and as the archbishop who openly opposed the Crusades.

At 60, against his will, Anselm was appointed archbishop of Canterbury in 1093.

Anselm sought to understand Christian consciousness through reason, and to develop intelligible truths interwoven with the Christian belief. He believed that the necessary preliminary for this is the possession of the Christian consciousness. He wrote: "Neque enim quaero intelligere ut credam, sed credo ut intelligam. Nam et hoc credo, quia, nisi credidero, non intelligam." ("Nor do I seek to understand that I may believe, but I believe that I may understand. For this too I believe, that unless I first believe, I shall not understand.") According to Anselm, after faith is found, the attempt must be made to demonstrate by reason the truth of what is believed.

Patron Saint of: bee keepers, candle makers, learning

Saint Ambrose (c. 338 – 4 April 397), was a bishop of Milan who became one of the most influential ecclesiastical figures of the fourth century. He is counted as one of the four original doctors of the Church.

There is a legend that as an infant, a swarm of bees settled on his face while he lay in his cradle, leaving behind a drop of honey. His father considered this a sign of his future eloquence and honeyed-tongue. For this reason, bees and beehives often appear in the saint's symbology.

When appointed as the bishop of Milan, at first he energetically refused the office, for which he was in no way prepared: Ambrose was neither baptized nor formally trained in theology. Upon his appointment, St. Ambrose fled to a colleague's home to seek hiding. Upon receiving a letter from the Emperor praising the appropriateness of Rome appointing individuals evidently worthy of holy positions, St. Ambrose's host gave Ambrose up. Within a week, Ambrose was baptized, ordained and duly installed as bishop of Milan.

Ambrose's body may still be viewed in the church of S. Ambrogio in Milan, where it has been continuously venerated — along with the bodies identified in his time as being those of Sts. Gervase and Protase — and is one of the oldest extant bodies of historical personages known outside Egypt.

St Edward the Confessor or Eadweard III (c. 1004–5 January 1066), son of Ethelred the Unready, was the penultimate Anglo-Saxon King of England and the last of the House of Wessex, ruling from 1042 until his death. His reign marked the continuing disintegration of royal power in England and the aggrandisement of the great territorial earls, and it foreshadowed the country's later connection with Normandy, whose duke William I was to supplant Edward's successors Harold Godwinson and Edgar Ætheling as England's ruler.

Edward was canonised in 1161 and is considered a saint by the Roman Catholic Church, which regards Edward the Confessor as the patron saint of kings, difficult marriages, and separated spouses. From the reign of Henry II of England to 1348 he was considered the patron saint of England, when he was replaced in this role by St. George. He continues to remain the patron saint of the Royal Family.

Westminster Abbey was founded by Edward between 1045 and 1050 on land upstream from the City of London, and was consecrated on 28 December 1065. Centuries later, Westminster was deemed symbolic enough to become the permanent seat of English government under Henry III. The Abbey contains a shrine to Edward which was the centrepiece to the Abbey's redesign during the mid-thirteenth century. In 2005, Edward's remains were found beneath the pavement in front of the high altar. His remains had been moved twice in the 12th and 13th centuries, and the original tomb has since been found on the central axis of the Abbey in front of the original high altar.

Saint Philibert of Jumièges (c. 608–685) was an abbot and monastic founder, particularly associated with Jumièges Abbey.

Philibert died and was buried at Heriou, but his relics were translated in 875 to the abbey at Tournus named in his honour, where the great church of St Philibert at Tournus still stands. His feast day is 20 August.